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Clinton, Gingrich both defend the pope (Hillary's got Benedict XVI's back!)
Associated Press ^ | 09/20/06

Posted on 09/20/2006 7:22:53 PM PDT by presidio9

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To: Zuben Elgenubi

And, if noone is there to see it, did it happen ?


41 posted on 09/20/2006 9:45:48 PM PDT by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: Cobra64

I didn't capitalize "pope" because I'm not a Roman Catholic.
You capitalized Islamofacists.

Does your reasoning hold true and so it is safe to say that you are an Islamofacist?


42 posted on 09/20/2006 10:21:45 PM PDT by mckenzie7 (The truth will set us free!)
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To: presidio9

Hillary's just flapping in the political wind like her husband always did


43 posted on 09/20/2006 10:26:02 PM PDT by verum ago (To the UN:Diplomacy is useful only when backed by the threat of swift, merciless, and violent death.)
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To: mckenzie7
Does your reasoning hold true and so it is safe to say that you are an Islamofacist?

Your logic, grammar, and punctuation are horrible.

What does capitalizing the word "pope" have to do with someone being an Islamofascist?

44 posted on 09/20/2006 10:40:03 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: presidio9

"Hillary's got Benedict XVI's back"

I've always known Hillary was behind me. I've felt her there many times!


45 posted on 09/21/2006 4:18:41 AM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: presidio9
Hillary's got Benedict XVI's back!

And his thighs too.
46 posted on 09/21/2006 5:03:44 AM PDT by Perdogg (If you stay home in November, you will elect Pelosi speaker)
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To: Cobra64
I didn't capitalize "pope" because I'm not a Roman Catholic.

What does that have to do with anything?

48 posted on 09/21/2006 7:05:21 AM PDT by presidio9 (Make Mohammed's day: Shoot a nun in the back.)
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To: dayglored
The phrase "the pope" indicates the current holder of an office, just as "the president" describes the holder of an office. Those usages do not require capitalization.

Incorrect. The man's name is Pope Benedict XVI. "President" is a title. "Pope" is not.

49 posted on 09/21/2006 7:07:24 AM PDT by presidio9 (Make Mohammed's day: Shoot a nun in the back.)
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To: Cobra64
Your logic, grammar, and punctuation are horrible.

Pretty funny coming from someone who fails to use correct capitalization because he doesn't respect an honest man.

50 posted on 09/21/2006 7:09:17 AM PDT by presidio9 (Make Mohammed's day: Shoot a nun in the back.)
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To: presidio9

My point was that you capitalized the word Islamofacist!


51 posted on 09/21/2006 7:58:06 AM PDT by mckenzie7 (The truth will set us free!)
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To: mckenzie7
My point was that you capitalized the word Islamofacist!

Nope, I never used the word. You have me confused with someone else.

52 posted on 09/21/2006 7:59:37 AM PDT by presidio9 (Make Mohammed's day: Shoot a nun in the back.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Does a Hildabeast crap in the woods?

No. The Hildebeeste doesn't crap at all ... that's why it's so full of crap.

53 posted on 09/21/2006 8:02:03 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: presidio9
>> The phrase "the pope" indicates the current holder of an office, just as "the president" describes the holder of an office. Those usages do not require capitalization.

> Incorrect. The man's name is Pope Benedict XVI. "President" is a title. "Pope" is not.

I'm speaking of the usage "the pope", not "Pope" as a name, or "Pope Benedict". The latter two are "proper" names, thus capitalized as you say. The usage in the headline of the article was the non-"proper" description, which is distinguished by the use of an article ("a", "the") before the word.

The same distinction is true of, for example:
"my father" vs. "Father"
"the earth" vs. "Earth"

The only exception I'm aware of is for the Trinity, as in "Our Father, Who art in heaven..." because all references to the deities, even pronouns, are capitalized. However, I do not believe that applies to humans, even highly elevated ones.

Thus, as a name: "Pope", but as a description: "a pope" or "the pope".

Now, that said, there may be an authoritative language usage reference somewhere that spells this out, which I haven't got right to hand. I took a quick look at the Vatican's website but didn't find a "correct usage" post. If you find an authoritative reference, let me know, I'd be happy to learn. FWIW, Wikipedia backs me up, but I don't consider that authoritative enough for this discussion.

54 posted on 09/21/2006 8:07:20 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored; presidio9
> FWIW, Wikipedia backs me up, but I don't consider that authoritative enough for this discussion.

Actually, Wikipedia is inconsistent on this subject. Never mind them. Let's find an authoritative source. If I'm mistaken I wish to correct my usage.

55 posted on 09/21/2006 8:09:37 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
Wikipedia backs me up, but I don't consider that authoritative enough for this discussion.

That's good to know. The Catholic Church referrs to "popes" and "the Pope." Therefore that is the correct usage, just like "Madonna" has every right to give herself whatever name she feels like ("Whore" would have meen a better choice imho).

56 posted on 09/21/2006 8:11:16 AM PDT by presidio9 (Make Mohammed's day: Shoot a nun in the back.)
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To: Cobra64

Does your reasoning hold true and so it is safe to say that you are an Islamofacist?
Your logic, grammar, and punctuation are horrible.

What does capitalizing the word "pope" have to do with someone being an Islamofascist?

Note: My point was that you capitalized the word Islamofacist!

To spell it out for you. You did not capitalize 'pope' because you are not Roman Catholic.

You did capitalize 'Islamofacist' Does that mean that you ARE an Islamofacist?

(Not only is my logic, grammar (no comma after and) and punctuation horrible, my ability to follow a thread is also in question!)






57 posted on 09/21/2006 8:16:25 AM PDT by mckenzie7 (The truth will set us free!)
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To: presidio9
I found this on http://www.eths.k12.il.us/manual_of_form_and_style/capitalization.html :
Titles of high officials are capitalized when they are used in place of the official’s name...

the President of the United States vs. the president of the club
the Prime Minister vs. the judge or a lawyer
the Pope vs. the minister or a priest

So I think I yield on this one.
58 posted on 09/21/2006 8:16:45 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: presidio9

You are correct. I followed the wrong thread!

Sorry! :>(


59 posted on 09/21/2006 8:17:31 AM PDT by mckenzie7 (The truth will set us free!)
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To: presidio9

She's running alright. Expect a lot of "Sistah Souljah" moments from Hillary.


60 posted on 09/21/2006 8:18:12 AM PDT by dfwgator
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