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Study finds U.S. bias against women in science
Reuters ^ | Sept 18, 2006

Posted on 09/21/2006 2:56:20 PM PDT by presidio9

Women are being filtered out of high-level science, math and engineering jobs in the United States, and there is no good reason for it, according to a National Academies report released on Monday.

A committee of experts looked at all the possible excuses — biological differences in ability, hormonal influences, childrearing demands, and even differences in ambition — and found no good explanation for why women are being locked out.

"Compared with men, women faculty members are generally paid less and promoted more slowly, receive fewer honors, and hold fewer leadership positions," the Academies said in a statement.

"These discrepancies do not appear to be based on productivity, the significance of their work, or any other performance measures."

Female minorities fare the worst, the study found. And the expert panel said the discrepancies are costing the country many talented leaders and researchers and recommended immediate and far-reaching changes to change the balance.

"We found no significant biological differences between men and women in science, engineering and mathematics that could account for the lower representation of women in academic faculty and scientific leadership positions," said Donna Shalala, president of the University of Miami and head of the committee that wrote the report.

The study was compiled by all the National Academies — the National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine — which advise Congress, the federal government, and various institutions.

"It is not a lack of talent but an unintended bias ... that is locking women out," Shalala, a former

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1 posted on 09/21/2006 2:56:21 PM PDT by presidio9
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This panel report is a joke, the makeup is all biased. From "Hatemonger's Quarterly":

Who makes up this “expert panel”? Well, its head was Donna E. Shalala, a former secretary of health and human services in the Clinton administration and a well-known feminist.

Also on board was Elizabeth Spelke, a professor of psychology at Harvard whose views on this matter should already be crystal clear. In regard to Larry Summers’ purportedly sexist remarks on women in the hard sciences—which were surely the impetus behind this “expert panel” in the first place—Ms. Spelke said: “I disagree point for point.” Ah, so Ms. Spelke already knew the conclusions the “expert panel” would come to before she became one of its “experts.”

And let’s not forget panelist Ana Mari Cauce, a University of Washington psychologist and contributor to the tome Bringing Cultural Diversity to Feminist Psychology. Nor should we leave out Ruth J. Simmons, the president of Brown University and a board member of the radical feminist journal Meridians. Gee, can anyone say “ringers”?

Hmmm. It’s starting to sound as if the NAS’s study was something of a foregone conclusion.

But wait, dear reader, it gets even more pathetic. The obviously dispassionate and objective panel of “experts” dedicated its work to Denice Denton, the deceased chancellor of UC Santa Cruz who was a lesbian crusader for feminist causes. Huh: Perhaps the only thing this panel is “expert” in is fooling dimwitted journalists into spreading its propaganda.

2 posted on 09/21/2006 3:01:49 PM PDT by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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To: presidio9

Bulls**t!


3 posted on 09/21/2006 3:02:11 PM PDT by Perdogg (If you stay home in November, you will elect Pelosi speaker)
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To: presidio9

I would like to see a study about why there are so few men in elementary teaching, nursing, physical therapy, and secretarial work.


4 posted on 09/21/2006 3:03:33 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Did they test for intelligence? I doubt it.

It is well-accepted that men tend to the extremes of the intelligence scale. Being a hard science professor requires more intelligence than just about anything. (We can ignore the softer fields of academia where politics play a larger role.)

I'd like to see what the results are when one controls for conventional IQ measures. If they are as I suspect (that people tend to advance regardless of gender based mostly on IQ) then that would also tend to validate the IQ test itself.


5 posted on 09/21/2006 3:03:50 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Mongeaux

Must be all those women teachers from elementary, jr and high school.

Is is sexist for women to point out sexual differences?


6 posted on 09/21/2006 3:04:26 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: presidio9

Given that the report writing was headed by Donna Shalala, of Clinton Administration fame, I would believe that even a 20% difference in IQ and a 20% difference in number of hours worked between men and women would not be a "good enough reason" in her judgement.

Is this prejudice? You bet, based on her previous performance.


7 posted on 09/21/2006 3:06:13 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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It is odd IMHO that women are not getting further in the lab or the boardroom. Almost 2 generations after they entered the work force as more than "secretaries" there have been still a very small number of CEOs or top Scientist? I wonder why? Usually in business the best and the brightest rise to the top, people wanting profits (I am a businessman not a scientist) don't care if the person is M/F white/black purple or green. If they perform they move up. Even pay discrepancies, if business could continue to increase profits and pay 20% less for labor why isn't it?
8 posted on 09/21/2006 3:06:36 PM PDT by SF Republican
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Jeez, stuff like this makes me embarrassed to be a woman. These feminists need to grow up and deal with stuff like adults. Stop insulting the rest of us women who actually respect ourselves.
9 posted on 09/21/2006 3:07:31 PM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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A committee of experts looked at all the possible excuses — biological differences in ability, hormonal influences, childrearing demands, and even differences in ambition — and found no good explanation for why women are being locked out.

Perhaps they should find a good explanation (i.e. positive data) before generating a press release, rather than leaving the open-ended, backhanded implication that 'inherent prejudice' is somehow responsible for this 'problem'.

10 posted on 09/21/2006 3:07:55 PM PDT by Quark2005 ("Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs." -Matthew 7:6)
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Most women hate science, math, and engineering.

How do I know this? I am an exception as I have a bachelor's in physics.

11 posted on 09/21/2006 3:08:21 PM PDT by Hawkeye's Girl
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Some chicks are FINE, but if you're paired with many, in lab, they'll often refuse to put their hands on the gear, but then hover over your shoulder and sharply correct you, all day long.

Oh I'm doing it wrong...! (taking gloved hands out of hood --chick recoils in horror at prospect of doing it, backing up 5 meters...)

12 posted on 09/21/2006 3:09:28 PM PDT by gaijin
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Most women I know don't WANT to get into senior positions or do the walk that leads to being a CEO.

They like those jobs that you walk away from at the end of the day.

13 posted on 09/21/2006 3:10:18 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I would like to see a study about why there are so few men in elementary teaching, nursing, physical therapy, and secretarial work.

Dammit, why can't wait tables at Hooters???

14 posted on 09/21/2006 3:12:47 PM PDT by presidio9 (Make Mohammed's day: Shoot a nun in the back.)
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Serious fabricated BS report. Has anyone seen a campus today? It is all women, 55% and up are women.


15 posted on 09/21/2006 3:15:31 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Interesting that you say that. The banking industry was one of those jobs that was all male at one time. Experienced men were "screaming" when they were replaced by a woman.

All through our early history, the big politicians had male secretaries. Meriweather Lewis was Thomas Jefferson's. I'd say Knox was Washington's but he was more like his ghost writer.

16 posted on 09/21/2006 3:16:05 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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How many world class chess players are there? And why were they shut out?

(Does pure ability have anything to do with it?)

(From a Laura Ingram interview.)


17 posted on 09/21/2006 3:20:17 PM PDT by CPOSharky (Methinks the demonrats doth protest too much.)
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What a crock. ANy woman who can get an engineering degree has lifetime guaranteed employment.


18 posted on 09/21/2006 3:20:43 PM PDT by Idaho Whacko
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To: Perdogg

man... You're too nice!!! I got to refrain myself though...


19 posted on 09/21/2006 3:20:54 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
Your are the exception, a pal of mines son is an advanced Math Major, he goes to a small College in Maine, think Joshua Chamberlain, The one woman in his Class has some problems competing.
20 posted on 09/21/2006 3:21:34 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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