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Study finds U.S. bias against women in science
Reuters ^ | Sept 18, 2006

Posted on 09/21/2006 2:56:20 PM PDT by presidio9

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1 posted on 09/21/2006 2:56:21 PM PDT by presidio9
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This panel report is a joke, the makeup is all biased. From "Hatemonger's Quarterly":

Who makes up this “expert panel”? Well, its head was Donna E. Shalala, a former secretary of health and human services in the Clinton administration and a well-known feminist.

Also on board was Elizabeth Spelke, a professor of psychology at Harvard whose views on this matter should already be crystal clear. In regard to Larry Summers’ purportedly sexist remarks on women in the hard sciences—which were surely the impetus behind this “expert panel” in the first place—Ms. Spelke said: “I disagree point for point.” Ah, so Ms. Spelke already knew the conclusions the “expert panel” would come to before she became one of its “experts.”

And let’s not forget panelist Ana Mari Cauce, a University of Washington psychologist and contributor to the tome Bringing Cultural Diversity to Feminist Psychology. Nor should we leave out Ruth J. Simmons, the president of Brown University and a board member of the radical feminist journal Meridians. Gee, can anyone say “ringers”?

Hmmm. It’s starting to sound as if the NAS’s study was something of a foregone conclusion.

But wait, dear reader, it gets even more pathetic. The obviously dispassionate and objective panel of “experts” dedicated its work to Denice Denton, the deceased chancellor of UC Santa Cruz who was a lesbian crusader for feminist causes. Huh: Perhaps the only thing this panel is “expert” in is fooling dimwitted journalists into spreading its propaganda.

2 posted on 09/21/2006 3:01:49 PM PDT by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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To: presidio9

Bulls**t!


3 posted on 09/21/2006 3:02:11 PM PDT by Perdogg (If you stay home in November, you will elect Pelosi speaker)
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To: presidio9

I would like to see a study about why there are so few men in elementary teaching, nursing, physical therapy, and secretarial work.


4 posted on 09/21/2006 3:03:33 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: presidio9

Did they test for intelligence? I doubt it.

It is well-accepted that men tend to the extremes of the intelligence scale. Being a hard science professor requires more intelligence than just about anything. (We can ignore the softer fields of academia where politics play a larger role.)

I'd like to see what the results are when one controls for conventional IQ measures. If they are as I suspect (that people tend to advance regardless of gender based mostly on IQ) then that would also tend to validate the IQ test itself.


5 posted on 09/21/2006 3:03:50 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Mongeaux

Must be all those women teachers from elementary, jr and high school.

Is is sexist for women to point out sexual differences?


6 posted on 09/21/2006 3:04:26 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: presidio9

Given that the report writing was headed by Donna Shalala, of Clinton Administration fame, I would believe that even a 20% difference in IQ and a 20% difference in number of hours worked between men and women would not be a "good enough reason" in her judgement.

Is this prejudice? You bet, based on her previous performance.


7 posted on 09/21/2006 3:06:13 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: presidio9
It is odd IMHO that women are not getting further in the lab or the boardroom. Almost 2 generations after they entered the work force as more than "secretaries" there have been still a very small number of CEOs or top Scientist? I wonder why? Usually in business the best and the brightest rise to the top, people wanting profits (I am a businessman not a scientist) don't care if the person is M/F white/black purple or green. If they perform they move up. Even pay discrepancies, if business could continue to increase profits and pay 20% less for labor why isn't it?
8 posted on 09/21/2006 3:06:36 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: presidio9
Jeez, stuff like this makes me embarrassed to be a woman. These feminists need to grow up and deal with stuff like adults. Stop insulting the rest of us women who actually respect ourselves.
9 posted on 09/21/2006 3:07:31 PM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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A committee of experts looked at all the possible excuses — biological differences in ability, hormonal influences, childrearing demands, and even differences in ambition — and found no good explanation for why women are being locked out.

Perhaps they should find a good explanation (i.e. positive data) before generating a press release, rather than leaving the open-ended, backhanded implication that 'inherent prejudice' is somehow responsible for this 'problem'.

10 posted on 09/21/2006 3:07:55 PM PDT by Quark2005 ("Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs." -Matthew 7:6)
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Most women hate science, math, and engineering.

How do I know this? I am an exception as I have a bachelor's in physics.

11 posted on 09/21/2006 3:08:21 PM PDT by Hawkeye's Girl
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To: presidio9
Some chicks are FINE, but if you're paired with many, in lab, they'll often refuse to put their hands on the gear, but then hover over your shoulder and sharply correct you, all day long.

Oh I'm doing it wrong...! (taking gloved hands out of hood --chick recoils in horror at prospect of doing it, backing up 5 meters...)

12 posted on 09/21/2006 3:09:28 PM PDT by gaijin
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Most women I know don't WANT to get into senior positions or do the walk that leads to being a CEO.

They like those jobs that you walk away from at the end of the day.

13 posted on 09/21/2006 3:10:18 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I would like to see a study about why there are so few men in elementary teaching, nursing, physical therapy, and secretarial work.

Dammit, why can't wait tables at Hooters???

14 posted on 09/21/2006 3:12:47 PM PDT by presidio9 (Make Mohammed's day: Shoot a nun in the back.)
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To: presidio9

Serious fabricated BS report. Has anyone seen a campus today? It is all women, 55% and up are women.


15 posted on 09/21/2006 3:15:31 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Interesting that you say that. The banking industry was one of those jobs that was all male at one time. Experienced men were "screaming" when they were replaced by a woman.

All through our early history, the big politicians had male secretaries. Meriweather Lewis was Thomas Jefferson's. I'd say Knox was Washington's but he was more like his ghost writer.

16 posted on 09/21/2006 3:16:05 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: presidio9

How many world class chess players are there? And why were they shut out?

(Does pure ability have anything to do with it?)

(From a Laura Ingram interview.)


17 posted on 09/21/2006 3:20:17 PM PDT by CPOSharky (Methinks the demonrats doth protest too much.)
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What a crock. ANy woman who can get an engineering degree has lifetime guaranteed employment.


18 posted on 09/21/2006 3:20:43 PM PDT by Idaho Whacko
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To: Perdogg

man... You're too nice!!! I got to refrain myself though...


19 posted on 09/21/2006 3:20:54 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
Your are the exception, a pal of mines son is an advanced Math Major, he goes to a small College in Maine, think Joshua Chamberlain, The one woman in his Class has some problems competing.
20 posted on 09/21/2006 3:21:34 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
I'm a female in an generally all male profession. Men are great to work with.

The few women that worked for us were "quiters". They couldn't cut it and weren't willing to give the time required for getting to the top.

My granddaughter LOVES mathematics. She's perfect for my profession. None of us can spell!!!

21 posted on 09/21/2006 3:23:13 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: presidio9

so, they found explanations, but they weren't considered "good" explanations....


22 posted on 09/21/2006 3:27:56 PM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: Sacajaweau; Hawkeye's Girl

girls... we ALWAYS have exception. My other-half has the MS degree and she's the director of engineering with hundreds engineers and scientists under her. I hope she doesn't read this board :)


23 posted on 09/21/2006 3:29:59 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: Mongeaux

Nice find.


24 posted on 09/21/2006 3:40:41 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)
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To: presidio9
Private enterprise seeks out the most competent and effective people, regardless of sex, race, or any other irrelevant factor. That's why the vast majority of NBA players are tall, male, and black. They are the most competent and effective people for the job. If the government became involved in basketball the most any fan could hope for is an occasional flash of mediocrity. That's why capitalism works and socialism doesn't work.
25 posted on 09/21/2006 3:46:25 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: presidio9
Image hosted by Photobucket.com they want QUOTAS??? diversity for diversity's sake is pure bullsh!t!!!
26 posted on 09/21/2006 3:46:57 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Hawkeye's Girl

Agreed. I hear more "but it's hard" or "I don't know how you do it!" from women when they talk about computers (I am a programmer). In my experience the majority of the women in our computer science program in college wanted to A. work in middle management B. do something technology-related, but not programming or C. teach. I admit that I would love to teach if it paid better.


27 posted on 09/21/2006 3:52:00 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: Idaho Whacko

Especially if you are a female, lesbian, minority, disabled female engineer with a great set of knockers!


28 posted on 09/21/2006 3:52:06 PM PDT by montomike (If you didn't find this funny and were offended...have a riot.)
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To: Mongeaux

Anyone's b.s. detector should be on full alert when any supposedly "objective" report has a leftist fraud like Donna Shalalalaaaa associated with it.... maybe the committee's competent, maybe it's not, but seeing the name Donna Shalala associated with it is good reason to suspect that the fix was in....


29 posted on 09/21/2006 4:08:56 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: SF Republican

I have a degree in engineering from 20 years ago. Back then, there weren't many women in my science, math, and engineering classes.

Maybe women don't want to be engineers, scientists, etc.

I'm not going to recommend the career to my daughters, one of who is much smarter than I ever was. They are not good careers to have if you also want to be a mom.

One of my daughters is great at math, so I am encouraging her to be an accountant. She'll be able to work part-time when she is a mom.

I think my extremely gifted daughter will make a great teacher. I don't see her in the corporate world. She is not competitive. She also loves homemaking activities like sewing, cooking, etc. She's smarter than my son (who is also very smart), but she just has a different personality.


30 posted on 09/21/2006 4:22:22 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Hawkeye's Girl

You are correct, and I have a degree in computer science. I was originally a chemical engineering major, and there were very few women in that degree. Computer science had more women in it than chemical engineering, but we were still the minority.


31 posted on 09/21/2006 4:24:07 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Idaho Whacko

Please tell me how to get a part-time job with my engineering degree. I am looking for part-time work, and I don't even know where to begin.


32 posted on 09/21/2006 4:25:30 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Sacajaweau

What do you do? One of my daughters has speech problems, can't spell, and is slow at reading. However, she is great at math!!!!!!!! I'm thinking she would make a great accountant. She loves money and math.


33 posted on 09/21/2006 4:26:52 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
Image hosted by Photobucket.com manpower.com, kellygirl.com, addecco.com, monster.com like everybody else... manpower will prolly be closest to where you live though.
34 posted on 09/21/2006 4:39:53 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: presidio9

And I'm up against women too, every chance I get.


35 posted on 09/21/2006 4:51:15 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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I don't know what they're talking about. Women tend to be attracted to the life sciences. If you look at the numbers of women in medical school or in doctoral programs in the biological sciences, or if you look at the citations in major journals, you'll see a lot of women. Women like studying living things; it's in our genes. Not many of us like rocks, physics, and math (though my cousin does physics at a major university).

Many women also don't do as well with spacial relationships than men do, so we are also less attracted to chemistry and physics.

I do think expectations have something to do with it. I know families in which there are very, very bright, talented girls who are sincerely interested in the sciences and would like to be physicians or researchers, but are actively discouraged by less-educated, unsupportive parents.


36 posted on 09/21/2006 4:51:56 PM PDT by Fairview
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To: R.W.Ratikal
And I'm up against women too, every chance I get.

This reminds me of the immortal words of Brother Dave Gardner:

"If you're against women you're for them, and if you're for them you're against them."

37 posted on 09/21/2006 5:05:21 PM PDT by OldPossum
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Most women hate science, math, and engineering.

My wife hates math, science and engineering. I must be preventing her from liking these subjects, so I must be sexist...

38 posted on 09/21/2006 5:09:06 PM PDT by SteamShovel
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To: Fairview

I think elementary teachers (don't have experience with older teachers yet) are also not very supportive of boys or girls that are good in math and science.


39 posted on 09/21/2006 5:15:48 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

Is she dyslexic? My husbands math teacher is a mild dyslexic.


40 posted on 09/21/2006 5:29:34 PM PDT by hootiebird
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To: FormerACLUmember

women do make up over 50% of the population.


41 posted on 09/21/2006 5:40:56 PM PDT by hootiebird
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To: presidio9

This cannot possibly be true. Freepers on Crevo threads have assured me that Scientists are TOTALLY objective and only care about facts and truth. They have no bias. They are not driven by emotion or animosity. They are, apparently, all like Commander Data. This must be a bogus study.


42 posted on 09/21/2006 5:51:04 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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To: Kaylee Frye

My mother in law got a degree in mathamatics, and was a software engineer, she just got a promotion into management (she is Korean by the way). My little sister works in computer networking and security, and has become the go-to woman in her department (she hasn't even worked there a year) She doesn't have a degree, but has military experience(not korean). And my cousin-in-law also works in IT (not korean). I know lots of women who have careers in computers. I am a college student and have meet lots of women interested in hard science. I had a chemist in my economics class. And half my integral calculus class were women. (I got an A!!! Who says dyslexics can't do math!) And my husband's math teacher is a woman is working on getting her PHD in mathmatics.


43 posted on 09/21/2006 5:59:15 PM PDT by hootiebird
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To: hootiebird

Yes.


44 posted on 09/21/2006 8:36:32 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Mongeaux

LOL, owned


45 posted on 09/21/2006 8:41:03 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: luckystarmom
One of my daughters has speech problems, can't spell, and is slow at reading. However, she is great at math!!!!!!!! I'm thinking she would make a great accountant. She loves money and math.

Or finance or economics, maybe. My (limited) experience with accounting is that it really doesn't require much math--it's more about organization and rules, which are really a different sort of skill. Anyone seriously interested in math would probably be bored.

46 posted on 09/21/2006 9:05:41 PM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: luckystarmom

I am also a dyslexic. It runs in my family. Some of the most inovative thinkers have some form of what people think of as a learning disablity. I don't think of it as a disablity, but as a different way of looking at things and processing information.


47 posted on 09/21/2006 9:26:39 PM PDT by hootiebird
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To: Mongeaux
The obviously dispassionate and objective panel of “experts” dedicated its work to Denice Denton, the deceased chancellor of UC Santa Cruz who was a lesbian crusader for feminist causes. Huh: Perhaps the only thing this panel is “expert” in is fooling dimwitted journalists into spreading its propaganda.

Wasn't she the one who jumped off a building after getting caught giving her "wife" a high paying, do nothing job?

48 posted on 09/21/2006 9:33:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: hootiebird

software engineers are glorified programmers (nothing wrong with that), and math degrees are not science.

Women stay away from the non-life sciences and engineering in droves, they are not as suited for it, nor as interested. Women have the luxury of choosing majors based on interest and passing fancy (media studies and art history majors for example, are almost all women or gay men). Men tend to major in areas that relate directy to income.


49 posted on 09/22/2006 6:26:46 AM PDT by Idaho Whacko
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"This Report is Dedicated to Denise Denton"

yep, after demanding $600,000 worth of improvements to the free 2,680-square-foot home given to her by UC Santa Cruz, (which included a new fence for her dogs, new wiring, speakers, amplifier and CD player for a built-in sound system and dozens of others perks), Denise Denton also hired her girlfriend, Gretchen Kalonji - a former University of Washington professor of materials science, into a $192,000 UC management position. UC also provided Kalonji, then Denton's partner of seven years, a housing assistance allowance of up to $50,000.

The media discovered how deeply she had pushed her snout into the public trough and was running stories about it, so she took a weeks "leave of absence" (read: suspended pending investigation) and leaped off The Paramount Hotel.

How appropriate that this report was dedicated to a Greedy, Grasping, Materialistic, Feminist-Lebsian-Academic Hack Who Got Caught. Makes you wonder how many simultaneous levels of Hell she is burning in...

50 posted on 09/22/2006 1:55:09 PM PDT by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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