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Who said? "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!"
link not available | circa 1899 | Paul Enlow via eMail

Posted on 09/22/2006 8:17:36 AM PDT by harpu

WINSTON CHURCHILL IN A SPEECH IN 1899! -- 107 years ago:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!

Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancienmet Rome."

Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: islam; islamevilempire; muslims; winstonchurchill
If the Muslims were upset with the Pope's comments recently, just think how they would react if they heard the comments of Sir Winston Churchill.
1 posted on 09/22/2006 8:17:37 AM PDT by harpu
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To: vimto

Ping!


2 posted on 09/22/2006 8:19:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: harpu

That Churchill.... he was a pretty sharp guy!


3 posted on 09/22/2006 8:25:50 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: harpu
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Maybe that day is soon approaching....

4 posted on 09/22/2006 8:26:40 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: harpu

http://www.net4nowtforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-21555.html


5 posted on 09/22/2006 8:28:09 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: harpu

In 1899 only a very a few Muslims could have read his comments.


6 posted on 09/22/2006 8:31:42 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: harpu

That sure ain't what Bush told us this morning!


7 posted on 09/22/2006 8:31:50 AM PDT by houeto (Isn't 1400 years of the same shi'ite enough?)
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To: harpu

He ought to know. He fought at Omdurman.


8 posted on 09/22/2006 8:35:07 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: houeto

Care to fill in the blanks??


9 posted on 09/22/2006 8:38:46 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: JimRed
1899? Hell, in 1999 only a very a few Muslims could have read his comments! They're still in the 7th century!......
10 posted on 09/22/2006 8:41:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: harpu

Yeah, they might dig him up and behead him.


11 posted on 09/22/2006 8:44:56 AM PDT by Shimmer128 (If chocolate fudge cake could sing, it would sound like Barry White.)
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To: harpu

I hope Blair and Parliament are prepared to withstand the cries of muslims in England who demand that Blair IMMEDIATELY apologize for Churchill's remarks.


12 posted on 09/22/2006 8:45:21 AM PDT by Kieri (A Grafted Branch (Rom. 11))
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To: harpu
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

I have decided that from now on, when I see a woman in a full burka in the United States, I am going to SPEAK OUT LOUDLY and say something along the lines of:

"If you think that you have to wear a burka to be righteous or if your men think you have to wear a burka to be righteous, then you don't belong in this country. When you wear that here, it's the same as me wearing a binkini where you come from -- it's an insult to this country's heritage, traditions, and culture. A lot of American soldiers have fought and died over the past 200 years to keep men AND women free. That thing that you wear represents slavery and is an insult to my father and every American veteran that ever lived."

No doubt bystanders will be shocked at my behaviour, and there will be politically-correct folks among them who will defend the burka-wearing woman by arguing that because America is free, she has the right to wear the burka.

My response would be along these lines: "Does the Ku Klux Klan have the right be masked in public while wearing t-shirts advocating slavery? Do neo-Nazis have the right to be masked in public while displaying swastikas? Perhaps they do -- and when they do, I have the right to say loud and clear what I think of them."

I would like to see Americans throughout this nation begin doing this. There's a lot to be said for public ostracism and public pressure. Pop history rarely mentions it, but English slavers of the early 1800s (businessmen in England who made their livings in the perfectly legal trade of importing slaves from Africa) were SHAMED by their fellow countrymen into giving it up. As Americans, we have the right to SHAME the slave-mentality of fundamentalist Islam OUT of our country. They pose a threat to every girl child in our nation, including your daughters and granddaughters. Burkas do not belong in the United States and we have a duty to eradicate them absolutely.

13 posted on 09/22/2006 8:50:39 AM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Finny

good post


14 posted on 09/22/2006 8:55:38 AM PDT by monday
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To: harpu

Good book.

Have read.

Available at Blackmask.


15 posted on 09/22/2006 8:57:23 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: harpu
Care to fill in the blanks??

Didn't know I needed to but it's really quite simple. Churchill had no problem identifying the 'religion' as the source of the troubles and our President says what? TROP

16 posted on 09/22/2006 8:58:13 AM PDT by houeto (Isn't 1400 years of the same shi'ite enough?)
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To: harpu

must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men....

How can any self respecting black person have anything to do with the belief system that promotes slavery?


17 posted on 09/22/2006 9:21:51 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: harpu

bump for later safe copying....


19 posted on 09/22/2006 9:44:51 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Red Badger
Thanks for the ping! I am reading Churchill's World War II and in it he likens Mein Kampf to the Koran. He clearly detested Islam.

Here was a man who saw the German threat long before anyone else. It would be wise to take note of him on this!

Pip pip!
20 posted on 09/22/2006 10:09:00 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: vimto

If you can find the info, try and find where Saddam's father was a Nazi operative during WWII........


21 posted on 09/22/2006 10:15:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: Rummyfan
>>>That Churchill.... he was a pretty sharp guy!<<<

Churchill never ceases to amaze!! Virtually position he has taken has been vindicated by history.

The closest thing we have to a Churchill today is the guy your tagline give tribute to - Donald Runsfeld. History will look back at him with the same fondness as it does Churchill.

22 posted on 09/22/2006 10:19:17 AM PDT by HardStarboard (Hey, march some more - its helping get the wall built!)
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To: harpu
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Western Liberals (and Western "feminists") have learned how to deal with the undeniable fact of Global Islamic Slavery of Women:

Deny it! Move on! Pretend it doesn't exist! PC uber alles!

23 posted on 09/22/2006 10:21:16 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Red Badger
I will look it up - I know that there were Islamic Nazi divisions and I think I read recently where Auschwitz was populated by Jews moved on by Muslims form Hungary. I'll have to check me facts on that as well.
24 posted on 09/22/2006 10:35:54 AM PDT by vimto (Blighty Awaken!)
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To: tkathy
How can any self respecting black person have anything to do with the belief system that promotes slavery?

Yes, Islam is very popular these days with Afro-Caribbeans and African Americans. This despite the fact that the traditional exponents of Islam do/did not have much regard for these people.

You will understand this sad phenomenon when you reflect on what Islam really represents for the convert.
The meaning 'submission' is a starting point. From there you can explore psychological reasons and tie in theories regarding various forms of extremist rationale.
Another slightly different line from submission is 'empowerment', especially for the males. A man may perceive himself as gaining some sort of empowerment from Islam. This might be different types of empowerment relative to his current status.

Of course there are other reasons why any individual black person may embrace Islam. But in all cases, the fact that the religion embraces the oppressive practices similar to those which their forefathers endured is ignored, because they believe Islam solves some immediate crisis in their life.
25 posted on 09/22/2006 12:06:04 PM PDT by Indomitable_Briton
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