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North America confab 'undermines' democracy
WorldNetDaily ^ | September 21, 2006 | Jerome Corsi

Posted on 09/22/2006 2:14:40 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A closed-door meeting of high-level government and business leaders that discussed the merger of North America was designed to subvert the democratic process, charged an attendee of the confab in Banff, Canada.

Mel Hurtig, a noted Canadian author and publisher who was the elected leader of the National Party of Canada, provided WND the agenda and attendee list of the North American Forum at the Fairmont Banff Springs Hotel in Banff, Alberta, Sept. 12-14.

Hurtig said the "secret meeting was designed to undermine the democratic process."

"What is sinister about this meeting is that it involved high level government officials and some of the top and most powerful business leaders of the three countries and the North American Forum in organizing the meeting intentionally did not inform the press in any of the three countries," he said. "It was clear that the intention was to keep this important meeting about integrating the three countries out of the public eye."

As WND reported yesterday, the meeting was closed to the press, and the documents obtained by WND were marked "Internal Document, Not for Public Release."

The motive for U.S. participation, according to Hurtig, was "to gain access and control Canada's extensive natural resources, including oil and water."

As for Canada, he said, the Canadian Council of Chief Executives "wants to make sure that the 150 Canadian top companies who are their members who gain access to the American market and to American capital."

The office of Thomas d'Aquino, president and CEO of the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, confirmed d'Aquino attend the Banff meeting.

The North American Forum consists of the three individuals who co-chaired the Banff meeting: George Schultz, former secretary of state under President Reagan; Canadian Peter Lougheed, the former Alberta premier and former leader of the Progressive Conservative Party of Alberta; and Mexico's Pedro Aspe, the former secretary of the Treasury of Mexico.

The North American Forum has no business office and no business address. Attendees at the Banff meeting contributed funds to cover the organizational expenses. Attendees, including government officials, were responsible for their own travel, lodging and per diem expenses.

A spokesman for the Canadian Council of Chief Executives said the Council of Canadians, which he characterized as a "far left group," was the first to obtain and begin circulating the meeting's agenda and attendee list.

Meera Karunananthan, spokeswoman for the Council of Canadians confirmed to WND the group was responsible for obtaining and releasing the meeting agenda and attendee list. She took exception with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, preferring to characterize her organization as "a citizens' advocacy group."

Karunananthan said the Council of Canadians released the North American Forum information because it questions the "privacy of a meeting that involves senior ministers of our government meeting with senior government officials in the United States and Mexico."

"The Canadian public has not been adequately informed about the on-going North American integration process, and we believe it is wrong for a meeting that involves top North American business executives and government officials to be held in secret behind closed doors," she said.

Jean-Yzes LeFort, also a spokesman for the Council of Canadians, told WND the group opposes the effort to create a North American Union because "the NAU represents an elite corporate agenda and to us what is being planned would be an unacceptable loss of sovereignty."

Attending the Banff meeting was Robert Pastor, the director of the Center for North American Studies at American University. Pastor is widely known for his extensive writings arguing for the creation of a North American Union, a new super-regional North American government based on the model of the European Union, with the intent of subrogating the sovereignty of the United States.

Pastor was co-chair of the Council of Foreign Relations task force that in May 2005 released a report entitled "Building a North American Community."

About one-third of the listed members of CFR task force attended the Banff conference. One prominent participant in both was Carla A. Hills, who served as U.S. trade representative from 1989 to 1993 and was the primary U.S. negotiator for NAFTA.

On the second day of the conference, a session entitled "A Vision for North America: Issues & Options" was moderated by Thomas A. Shannon, the U.S. assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs.

Perrin Beatty, president and CEO of Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters, Canada's largest trade and industry association, also confirmed to WND he attended the Banff North American Forum meeting. Beatty described the meeting as "an opportunity for a small group of people from our three North American countries to get together informally and discuss issues of common interest."

When asked why the meeting was closed to the press, Beatty responded the meeting was not a "decision forum" but a "discussion forum."

Beatty claimed Pastor's views were not universally shared by all attendees.

"My interest in attending the meeting was economic," he told WND. "How do we insure we keep pace with the explosion in competition in the North American industry? It's absolutely critical to the economic growth of our three countries that we stay competitive and successful."

Among the U.S. government participants listed was Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, though WND was told he did not attend. Also listed were U.S. Department of Defense Lt. General Gene Renuart, USAF Senior Military Assistant to Secretary Rumsfeld, and Major Gen. Mark A. Volcheff, director of Plans, Policy, and Strategy for NORAD-NORTHCAM.

In what is apparently intended to be an annual event, the first North American Forum meeting was held last September in Sonoma, Calif., and a meeting for next September is to be held in Mexico.

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Killing the North American Union Conspiracy
1 posted on 09/22/2006 2:14:41 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Let me guess they served Coca-puffs, because its all
"Coo Coo".


2 posted on 09/22/2006 2:19:14 PM PDT by jbwbubba
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The motive for U.S. participation, according to Hurtig, was "to gain access and control Canada's extensive natural resources, including oil and water."

Why does everybody with some natural resources think we're interesting in "controlling" them? Hell, if we want your stuff we'll just buy it. It's a lot easier than trying to take it by force or sneakery.

3 posted on 09/22/2006 2:21:16 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: fanfan; Clive

bttt


4 posted on 09/22/2006 2:23:58 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I wondered why our Krogers was all out of foil today.


5 posted on 09/22/2006 2:25:36 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: 1rudeboy; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...


6 posted on 09/22/2006 2:38:27 PM PDT by Clive
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
You guys can laugh and heap scorn all you want, but having grown up in Canada, and having seen how Canucki politicians did exactly this sort of thing, regardless of what people wanted ... I believe it.

Wouldn't American politicians LOVE to be able to live like dukes and lords, as the Mexican pols do?

7 posted on 09/22/2006 2:44:36 PM PDT by ikka
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To: 1rudeboy; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ..
Canada ping.

Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.

8 posted on 09/22/2006 3:02:21 PM PDT by fanfan (Trust everybody, but cut the cards yourself.)
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To: ikka
Wouldn't American politicians LOVE to be able to live like dukes and lords, as the Mexican pols do?

I thought they already did.

9 posted on 09/22/2006 3:23:36 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hugo Chavez is the Devil! The podium still smells of sulfur...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

FYI Mel Hurtig is a life-long commie/socialist.


10 posted on 09/22/2006 3:24:56 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
FYI Mel Hurtig is a life-long commie/socialist.

Ah, Geez, WorldNetDaily must be trolling the dregs of society to come up with this stuff.

11 posted on 09/22/2006 3:26:25 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hugo Chavez is the Devil! The podium still smells of sulfur...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Former Proud Canadian; fanfan; 1rudeboy
"WorldNetDaily must be trolling the dregs of society to come up with this stuff."

BINGO !!! ... and as you've been told before, Hurtig & all the similar wackos in his sundry front groups are members in exemplary standing of the Canadian Chapter of the Cosmic Order of Carpet-Chewing Moonbats.

Farah & his staff at WND should rightly be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for bestowing even their, albeit limited, credibility on this bunch.
12 posted on 09/22/2006 5:11:29 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
Any fringe whack job will do when you have bizarre conspiracy theories to push.
13 posted on 09/22/2006 5:13:13 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: GMMAC

There is a substantial number people (and members here) who will post anything from anyone, regardless of source, as long as it promotes whatever moonbat notion they hold at the moment.


14 posted on 09/22/2006 5:18:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; CWOJackson
Unlike America, where there are likely far more xenophobic morons on the political right than the left, in Canada the vast majority of hardcore 'nationalists', like Hurtig, are to varying degrees out in left field.

Since most base their 'Canadian identity' almost exclusively on not being Americans, they're easily taken in be the far left's anti-Americanism.
Yet, they'll break off calling our new Conservative PM a 'Bush clone' in a heartbeat if the opportunity presents itself to hypocritically & enthusiastically kiss the ass of any American commie like Michael Moore who deems to pay a visit.

While you'll find the odd 'Pat Buchanan type' up here on issues like immigration, most Canadian conservatives are pretty laid back in their patriotism & generally very pro-American.
15 posted on 09/22/2006 5:30:16 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
Yet, they'll break off calling our new Conservative PM a 'Bush clone' in a heartbeat if the opportunity presents itself to hypocritically & enthusiastically kiss the ass of any American commie like Michael Moore who deems to pay a visit.

And these narcissistic fools would c*** in their pants if they actually attracted any media attention from the US of A. To them, gaining the attention of Uncle Sam is the be-all and end-all, much like an ill-disciplined child.

They are pathetic.

16 posted on 09/22/2006 7:18:16 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Trupolitik; hedgetrimmer

NAU ping. Can you (trupolitik and hedgetrimmer) respond if you read this?


17 posted on 09/22/2006 9:12:44 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: ikka

Americans wouldn't be the only ones getting anything out of this.


18 posted on 09/22/2006 9:14:14 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: 1rudeboy

ditto.


19 posted on 09/22/2006 9:15:07 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: GMMAC

If you want to subvert citizenship for consumerism, you posts are top notch!


20 posted on 09/22/2006 10:28:03 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer; 1rudeboy; CWOJackson; fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; ...
"subvert" ???

That's an ironic laugh coming from someone who posts & defends the posting of Marxist propaganda on a supposedly conservative forum.

What's really insidious and supports the view this can't be for informative/educational purposes is they're seldom, if ever, accompanied by any appropriate warning and/or negative editorial comment.

Given that, beyond & primary to their economic goals, communists are openly determined to eradicate both religious faith & traditional families, your stated concerns about citizenship & consumerism are downright frivolous since neither would matter one iota without our fundamental freedoms.
21 posted on 09/23/2006 6:43:56 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC; Dog Gone
I believe it is our colleague D.G. who repeatedly has asked for anyone to identify a citizen that is not also a consumer.
22 posted on 09/23/2006 6:46:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

This whole notion of a North American Union is a constant source of entertainment for me.

A good thread about the "NAFTA Superhighway" is like flypaper or maybe moonbatpaper.


23 posted on 09/23/2006 7:14:41 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: A. Pole

Ping


24 posted on 09/23/2006 7:17:01 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Pansy: b. 8-19-1987 - d. 8-27-2006, I'll miss you, little princess.... B-()
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To: GMMAC
your stated concerns about citizenship & consumerism are downright frivolous

No they are not, in fact they are key to the destruction of our country for the 'economic regions' the globalists envision.

In fact, all your "free trader" friends on this forum talk only of 'consumers' and what 'consumers' want never citizenship and the duties of citizens to their country. And I'd like to remind you that it is the "free traders" who are corrupting our government and relegating marriage and traditional families to the dustbin of history. You see, in their corrupt minds, NOTHING must interfere with trade. Not borders, not the 13th amendment.
25 posted on 09/23/2006 7:45:24 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Dog Gone; 1rudeboy; fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; ...
Aside from 'big picture' concerns vis-a-vis effectively promoting Godless Marxism anywhere, I thoroughly object to malicious postings of seditious crap from Canada's moonbat 'nationalist' far left with the implied message to unknowing American FReepers that it's somehow mainstream and/or representative.

People like Mel Hurtig, Maude Barlow, et al and their front groups like the self-proclaimed 'Council of Canadians' & 'Vive le Canada' are plainly the equivalent of Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan & groups such as the similarly purported "People for the American Way" & moveon.org Stateside.

As decent Americans would be rightly appalled by even the suggestion such leftist vermin speak for them, surely any reasonable person can understand why malicious posts like the one above outrage Canadian conservatives.
And they are "malicious" both because they continue despite their true nature being now well known and as they serve no legitimate purpose beyond promoting acrimony between traditional friends & allies.
26 posted on 09/23/2006 8:17:47 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Marriage and the traditional family stand in the way of free trade? Or just in danger of being paved-over by the NAFTA Superhighway?


No traditional families were harmed by this preoject.

27 posted on 09/23/2006 8:22:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GMMAC; hedgetrimmer

Don't forget that the mere word, "consumerism," is a crypto-Marxist term most closely associated with the likes of Ralph Nader and the like.


28 posted on 09/23/2006 8:25:37 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: hedgetrimmer
"... it is the "free traders" who are corrupting our government and relegating marriage and traditional families to the dustbin of history."

Quite plainly you have either never studied Marxist theory in any depth and/or you've dismissed, for whatever reason, its self-evident threat.

Not withstanding your transparent attempt to portray black as white, it's within the so-called 'anti-globalist' camp where one finds every imaginable form of socialist vermin furiously coupling with the complete range of anti-life, ecco-impirialist and radical feminist & homosexual enemies of faith & family.
29 posted on 09/23/2006 8:32:09 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
Not withstanding your transparent attempt to portray black as white, it's within the so-called 'anti-globalist' camp where one finds every imaginable form of socialist vermin furiously coupling with the complete range of anti-life, ecco-impirialist and radical feminist & homosexual enemies of faith & family.

LOL! And the "free traders" enriching the chinese communists? It is the 'globalist' camp where one finds every imaginable form of socialist vermin furiously coupling with the complete range of anti-life, ecco-impirialist and radical feminist & homosexual enemies of faith & family. Look at the WTO--purely socialist/communist. The World Bank? Socialist-communist. The UN where the eco-imperialists power lies? Socialist-communist. Radical feminists? Look at globalist Hillary Clinton and her 'Year of the Woman' in China. LOLOLOL. You don't even address anything in the article, yet you exercise pure propaganda by trying to smear participants on the thread by making false associations.

You "free traders" are making the world a dangerous dangerous place. Instead of bankrupting the communists, you are taking everything from the American people and granting the chinese communists, vietnamese communists, indian communist/socialists etc, wealth and power they should NEVER have. And they are using it against us.
30 posted on 09/23/2006 8:42:59 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: GMMAC

I was beginning to wonder about the long absence of moonbat chatter about the eeeeeeeeeevil Trilateral Commission.

Clever little devils went and got themselves reincarnated as only North American Imperialists instead of trying to take over the entire planet.

I'd have thought the moonbats would take that radical scaledown as a giant victory, but it seems that it's only an excuse for them to dig up their entire archive and regurgitate all thirty years' worth of drivel.

Sigh.

Isn't there ANYONE in the moonbat cave with an imagination? I'm expecting any day now for one of 'em to slip up in the middle of a dirge about Bush and claim Nixon is still in office.


31 posted on 09/23/2006 9:06:16 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (I can't really accept a welcome home until the last MIA does.)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
What's funny is, speaking of regurgutation, is that this latest example is the result of a conference that was held at the Banff Springs Hotel (motto: what happens in Banff, stays in Banff--unless someone faxes a left wing author the registration packet).


32 posted on 09/23/2006 9:16:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
I was beginning to wonder about the long absence of moonbat chatter about the eeeeeeeeeevil Trilateral Commission.

Since you are the only one to mention it, that makes you the moonbat, in your own estimation.
33 posted on 09/23/2006 9:18:25 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
More black to white:

Every informed conservative in Canada well knows precisely where Mel Hurtig & his extreme 'nationalist' fellow travelers reside on the political spectrum.

As for who makes up the anti-globalist movement, for authentic conservatives to accept your take we'd be required to reject what our supposedly lying eyes have repeatedly witnessed in the form of the commie rabble already cited protesting - often violently! - outside every G-8 conference ever held.
34 posted on 09/23/2006 9:24:17 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

35 posted on 09/23/2006 9:30:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: hedgetrimmer

Best you explain THAT logic in terms that a poor stupid ol' redneck can grasp.

Then, if you want a discussion, cut out the smarta** comments and state your points.


36 posted on 09/23/2006 9:32:16 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (I can't really accept a welcome home until the last MIA does.)
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To: GMMAC
witnessed in the form of the commie rabble already cited protesting - often violently! - outside every G-8 conference ever held.

LOLOLOLOL! Paid for by globalist George Soros' Open Society Foundation, and globalist Teresa Heinz Kerry's Tides Foundation of course!
37 posted on 09/23/2006 9:32:16 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

If you wanted a conversation why didn't you state your points?


38 posted on 09/23/2006 9:34:39 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: 1rudeboy

Is that from your personal collection?


39 posted on 09/23/2006 9:35:06 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer; Unrepentant VN Vet; 1rudeboy
"Since you are the only one to mention it, that makes you the moonbat, in your own estimation."

POSSIBLE TRANSLATION:



"I know you are but, what am I?"

40 posted on 09/23/2006 9:36:59 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: hedgetrimmer

No, it's something I found on the net after I realized that you've gone from calling your opponents agents of consumerism to socialists/communists in the space of a few hours.


41 posted on 09/23/2006 9:39:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: hedgetrimmer
'Comrade' of yours?


Protesters run with flags as they march through the
streets of Savannah, Georgia June 10, 2004 in
opposition to the G8 Summit, which concludes today
on nearby Sea Island, Georgia. REUTERS/Brian Snyder
source

42 posted on 09/23/2006 10:01:39 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC; Unrepentant VN Vet

Here's an easy quiz for you. Who introduced the words "Trilateral Commission" to the post? A moonbat?


43 posted on 09/23/2006 10:03:42 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

I presume VN is Viet Nam?


44 posted on 09/23/2006 10:04:56 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: GMMAC

I presume its one of yours, since you are a globalist, and globalist foundations are funding those people.


45 posted on 09/23/2006 10:13:30 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Suppose it hasn't occurred to you folks like Soros & Heinz-Kerry & what you call their "globalist foundations" can actually only be described in your terms - which, not uncoincidentally, is their rhetoric as well - in the remote sense they're working towards an all powerful world-wide Marxist nanny state?

Just Google-up "Maurice Strong" and/or "Earth Charter" if you want an additional example of a red billionaire promoting the international communist agenda including its vehement opposition to faith and families as both are now known.
46 posted on 09/23/2006 10:33:50 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
What we are doing in North America today is consolidating democratic states, integrating them economically but then providing a security overlay and a level of cooperation and dialogue that will strengthen the economic institutions, strengthen our ability to protect and promote our prosperity, and enhance our ability to create the opportunity that people can actually take advantage of. In this way, we have taken a model of economic integration that is largely accepted around the hemisphere and raised it one level higher.

State Department's Shannon Addresses "Why the Americas Matter"

The model of economic integration wouldn't be the EU would it? No more independence for America with these corrupt officials trotting around the globe arranging for our 'integration'.
47 posted on 09/23/2006 10:39:19 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

That's a neat trick: globalist foundations are getting people to protest globalist foundations?


48 posted on 09/23/2006 10:46:42 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GMMAC
Here's a globalist in our government

Obviously, the Inter-American Democratic Charter was approved by acclamation in Lima. For us who had been working on it for some time, it was a profoundly bittersweet moment: sweet obviously because the promise of the Quebec City summit had been realized in an important agreement, bitter obviously because ur country was under attack and we knew what this was going to mean for us in the years to come.
--Thomas Shannon, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs

You don't like the Earth Charter? You should read the Inter-American Democratic Charter. Why is OUR government involved in writing it?

In fact, one of the important aspects of the Inter-American Democratic Charter is that it creates a means for countries in the hemisphere to express solidarity and provide institutional assistance to countries that are going through democratic crises, not only in terms of electoral observation but also in terms of a variety of other interventions that can be done.

If the charter lets us intervene as a way of expressing solidaritycommunese in american government official communications warning it means they can intervene in OUR country. Does this give you a clue as to what they mean by 'integration' yet, and why the people attending the meeting in Banff are traitors?
49 posted on 09/23/2006 10:47:10 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Donald Rumsfeld is a traitor? Does he know?


50 posted on 09/23/2006 10:54:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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