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A Question of Faith... or Tidiness? (Christian Burials to be oriented to Mecca)
Nottingham Post ^ | 21 September 2006 | Chris Birkle

Posted on 09/22/2006 5:05:40 PM PDT by shrinkermd

A multi-faith cemetery will have all its graves aligned with Mecca, despite Christian burials traditionally facing east. CHRIS BIRKLE finds out how Christians and Muslims feel about the controversial council decision

In today's secular society you could be forgiven for not knowing which direction Christian graves face.

Ancient tradition shows they should look east in anticipation of the second coming of Jesus Christ.

But all headstones at the new £2.5m High Wood Cemetery in Bulwell will be plotted to face north-east, in line with Islamic faith.

Muslims believe the dead look over their shoulder towards Mecca, towards the south-east

(Excerpt) Read more at thisisnottingham.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: both; burials; christian; mecca; muslim; oriented; to
Sharia Law Next?
1 posted on 09/22/2006 5:05:41 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

About had enough.


2 posted on 09/22/2006 5:09:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: shrinkermd

hmmm, I had heard that being on the southeast side of the cemetery was desirable. My plot has a great view... except that there's an old freight car that some farmer uses to store hay... just to the west.


3 posted on 09/22/2006 5:09:50 PM PDT by Mercat (*-O(( :-{>. . . .))
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To: shrinkermd
Ancient tradition calls for you to be buried standing up, faced in the same direction as the doorway in the home immediately above you, because they did this under the front steps.

That's "kind of East", and that has to do with optimizing light, and heat.

I don't recall a specific Christian tradition regarding the orientation of gravestones ~ after all, Jesus can arrive over any part of the horizon He wishes. He is not bound by the Sun.

4 posted on 09/22/2006 5:09:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: shrinkermd; rmlew

Do Muslims practice conversion of ancestors the way Mormons do? It sounds rather convenient to lay out all the graves according to Muslim tradition. In a few generations, all Christian and other non-muslim symbols could be removed.


5 posted on 09/22/2006 5:10:17 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Mercat
My wife and I decided on the Columbarium at the Veterans' cemetary at Quantico.

She worked with her DAV post in designing it.

6 posted on 09/22/2006 5:11:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

The Son is not bound by the Sun?


7 posted on 09/22/2006 5:11:26 PM PDT by null and void (There's no nothing. End of report. Any questions?)
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To: shrinkermd
From the article.

About 15% of the cemetery will be for Islamic graves.
8 posted on 09/22/2006 5:11:47 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Paleo Conservative
Do Muslims practice conversion of ancestors the way Mormons do?

First thing that crossed my mind, too! :)

9 posted on 09/22/2006 5:13:28 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: shrinkermd

I just mentally went over the 3 cemetarys I know, and amazingly, it seems to me that the gravestones face east.

What a great bar bet. ( like in, "I'll give you $1 for each grave stone facing either south, west, or north, you give me 25 cents for each gravestone facing east")


10 posted on 09/22/2006 5:14:54 PM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: shrinkermd
How does a traveling Muslim know which way to face? Is it the direction which is the shortest distance to Hecca? Do they factor the great circle route? How about in space?

11 posted on 09/22/2006 5:16:39 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Mercat
The freight car too shall pass.
See the 1960 movie The Time Machine.

12 posted on 09/22/2006 5:21:27 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: I see my hands

LOL


13 posted on 09/22/2006 5:26:57 PM PDT by Mercat (*-O(( :-{>. . . .))
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To: Lokibob

The head faces east to meet the rising sun in most of our OLD cemteries. Spent years doing cemetery restoration.


14 posted on 09/22/2006 5:30:57 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: shrinkermd

It isnt bad enough that they kiss live Muslims on the ass, Now they are kissing the dead Muslims asses.


15 posted on 09/22/2006 5:45:26 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: I see my hands
How does a traveling Muslim know which way to face?

They have to calculate it.

Is it the direction which is the shortest distance to Hecca?

Yes, if you mean Mecca.

Do they factor the great circle route?

Yes.

16 posted on 09/22/2006 5:55:21 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: muawiyah

"I don't recall a specific Christian tradition regarding the orientation of gravestone....." ,p.Yes, there is one, and it is just as this article states. Our pastor was talking about this about two Sundays ago in Bible class.


17 posted on 09/22/2006 6:17:44 PM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: shrinkermd

Conservatives should be buried face down. That way when the state of the world makes them roll over in their graves, they will come out right.

Of course, liberals should also be buried facing down, so that they can see where they are going.

Do Muslims also drive with the destination over their shoulder? I don't get it. Maybe camels work that way.


18 posted on 09/22/2006 6:20:36 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: docbnj

What is the best feng shui direction for a graveyard?


19 posted on 09/22/2006 6:23:28 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: FreedomCalls
Thanks! Yes, I did mean Mecca.

I guess these questions might seem silly but they are genuine. Do you know why a great circle approach was chosen rather than an straight line through the Earth? As the worm tunnels is even more direct than as the crow flies.


20 posted on 09/22/2006 6:30:35 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: shrinkermd

Are they aligning these grave sites along the "Great Circle" route or the "Rhumb Line"? Idiots!


21 posted on 09/22/2006 6:40:55 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: shrinkermd

When I'm dead I don't care which direction my dead body faces cause I'm dead. My soul will be in heaven and my body will return to dust.


22 posted on 09/22/2006 6:42:28 PM PDT by encm(ss) (USN Ret.)
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To: shrinkermd

Feet at 1:30 and eyes at 4:30?


23 posted on 09/22/2006 6:52:32 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: I see my hands
Do you know why a great circle approach was chosen rather than an straight line through the Earth? As the worm tunnels is even more direct than as the crow flies.

Dunno. "Great Circle" is what they use though. That might be an "Ask the Imam" kind of question.

24 posted on 09/22/2006 6:53:46 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: shrinkermd

"Multifaith cemeteries" don't make sense to me in the first place. I'm not so surprized. Even militiary cemeteries have at least Chritian sections, etc.


25 posted on 09/22/2006 7:28:29 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: muawiyah

Go look at some cemetaries sometimes. All I have ever been in you are lying on your back feet to the east. Waiting the coming of Christ. Everyone. I will be planted facing EAST not Mecca.


26 posted on 09/22/2006 8:51:12 PM PDT by therut
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To: therut
I've gone to hundreds of pioneer cemetaries. They have folks buried foot to foot, head to the North, head to the South, buried in circles around a central point (an all time favorite style among Swiss polygamists), and so forth.

I suspect this is strictly an European thing and probably applicable only to those from a Catholic or Orthodox tradition as a general rule.

In any case, many Protestants know that "Christ will come in the clouds", and, consequently know that you can't tell what direction that is.

27 posted on 09/23/2006 9:50:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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