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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 24 September 2006
Various big media television networks ^ | 24 September 2006 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 09/24/2006 3:15:07 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: Phsstpok
Clinton's ministry of truth has won if that is how you remember it.

No, his ministry of truth has not won out with me, but has with millions of Americans who repeatedly state that Bush was "given" a massive Government surplus and the best economy in a long time of recorded history, only to turn around and immediately destroy it. My comment about wishing the collapse would have happened while Toon was in office did not adequately address the stock market which if I remember correctly started to really accelerate on its way down in March 2000. The point I was really trying to make it that the economy and stock market performance during the Toon years was built on a house of cards - new IPOs were being chased by Billions of venture capital dollars and there was no hope of these companies every producing a profit. Stock analysts were trying to tell everyone that would listen that the old measurement of which stocks to invest in were meaningless and this was to be an entirely new paradigm. I never bought into that and refused to invest $1 in any of those Internet startups that could never make a profit. The only profits they made were for the owners and employees that were being handed stock in their company. I was there (inside a company that birthed one of the biggest failures of the 1990's. Perhaps there was no fraud involved like Worldcom and Enron and many others, but the business plan NEVER HAD A CHANCE. But the investors were lining up with bushel baskets of cash in order to get a hold of one of the great new companies spawned by the corrupt Toon administration.

1,261 posted on 09/24/2006 8:38:23 PM PDT by AZConser (Tancredo For President)
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To: Phsstpok

You know, no one ever connects the great Clinton surpluses with the capital gains taxes being paid on bubble stock gains. Real people paid real taxes on nothing but phony gains.


1,262 posted on 09/24/2006 9:05:43 PM PDT by sgtyork (Prove to us that you can enforce the borders first.)
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To: samantha
So Samantha, how close to an accomplished bar fighter are you?! I've won more than I've lost so I guess you could say that I was at least semi-accomplished ;'}

One thing about scrappin - you can't be afraid of taking a few punches. If getting hit takes the fight right outta you, you're in the wrong place (the really accomplished fighters rather enjoy it!).

I'll give CW credit where credit is due - he could have folded like a house of cards. He could have called for the cameras to be shut off and ended the interview. He could have challenged that cowardly POS and he probably would have made him pee his pants (most bullies are consummate cowards). But had he done so he wouldn't have captured what he did.

And what he captured is priceless! They'll be talking about this for years. Had it just been a reporter with a pen and paper it would have been glorious, but the vid is worth its price in gold.

Wallace done good - rockrr says so!
1,263 posted on 09/24/2006 9:07:16 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: rockrr

Of course I am jesting,as a matter of fact I have spent many a time with friends in Lounges(not recently of course)but I was almost always the peacemaker. Now if we are talking about Miami Dolphin Football games that is where I could have gotten into a lot of trouble with Jets,Bills,Steeler,Patriots and Colts fans. we had many verbal battles,and we won most of them. I have vivid memories,but not much of physical stuff because I value my life. LOL!


1,264 posted on 09/24/2006 9:36:04 PM PDT by samantha (Cheer up,the Adults are in charge,but need reinforcements very soon.)
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To: Barset
This coming week the low-lifes that practise and promote this Realpolitik will be all over the tv screens shrieking their approval of Clinton, the old lion turning on his tormentors. Imus, Matthews, Oberman, will be soiling themselves on camera from sheer happiness.

Good prediction... I can smell it coming already.

1,265 posted on 09/25/2006 5:51:09 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: Laverne
YIKES! I accidently cut off the first statement from Byron York's piece at NRO.

OK, I saw that you had a post pulled (?!?) and read the replies with stunned disbelief at what you had posted or at what Byron York had said.  For the life of me I couldn't figure out what you would have said or done or what from the York piece would warrant your post being pulled.

This makes sense now.  All is back to being right with the world... 

1,266 posted on 09/25/2006 6:20:38 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Phsstpok; Admin Moderator

I didn't even know the post was pulled, glad it was....even though it was an honest mistake on my part, it caused a lot of confusion and consternation. Taught me a lesson to be a little more careful in the future. BTW: how would I know my post was pulled...I did't get a message from admin mod or anything. If admin mod could freepmail me about this I would appreciate it. Thanks.


1,267 posted on 09/25/2006 6:24:57 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: Howlin
Did you all just hear that guy on Fox saying that Trent Lott was one of the ones saying that Clinton was obsessed with Osama bin Laden -- and that Lott said bin Laden wasn't important.

I"m pretty sure we can nail that one down as yet another lie.

Never underestimate the stupidity of a long time Mississippi Democrat politician who turned Republican only to save his own skin.

Trent is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, nor the most loyal or reliable.  If the Clintonista's are specifically mentioning Trent Lott as having said Clinton was obsessed with Osama I would bet that they have the sound bite and date.

We need to find our own examples, not count on arguing about theirs.  Clinton made a sweeping statement about "all the right wingers" and several other similar broad brush attacks.  We simply need to point to prominent examples where he is wrong, not try to discredit his anecdotes that he puts up to prove he's right. 

1,268 posted on 09/25/2006 6:25:49 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: STARWISE; Howlin; Seattle Conservative; silent_jonny; Jim Robinson; Brad's Gramma; Alas Babylon!; ..
I'm telling you, Jim needs to buy us a cable show, doesn't he? :-)

FR-TV .... a network whose time has come ;)

OK, assume such a network were launched.  Other than news and talking heads, what would we want on?  Ozzie and Harriet reruns or Ozzie Osbourne's reality show?  Reruns of JAG or a new series based on what was actually in Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan books? 

Or, more seriously, how about educational stuff?  How about real history, based on what happened, not what PC prejudices tell us we should say happened?

Now, moving further from fantasy, what's to stop this community from starting to actually produce things that we would actually like to see if such a network existed?  Start with documentaries made on hand held video cameras about real events that the drive by media aren't covering, such as the Code Pink harassment of wounded soldiers at Walter Reed.  Or a historical retrospective on John Kerry's real record.  And we don't have to wait for a mega network to launch.  There are plenty of outlets for such material, starting with HotAir.

I actually think this is the next step for conservative activism on the net.  Video podcasts of alternative news stories that the DBM refuses to cover.  We've all seen how things have hit You Tube or some other net outlet and become phenomenon that the DBM then takes notice of.  We need to start doing this in an organized fashion.  What better place to start than here?

1,269 posted on 09/25/2006 7:07:31 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: AliVeritas
... The following transcript documents a background briefing in early August 2002 by President Bush's former counterterrorism coordinator Richard A. Clarke to a handful of reporters ...

That is one very important document.  Thank you.

Who have you pinged on this?  Certainly Brit and Rush? 

1,270 posted on 09/25/2006 7:20:09 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: amutr22
I still want to know if anyone can tell me why Clarke was let go by the Bush administration?

Echoing and adding to Alas Babylon!'s comment, Clarke was in charge of counter terrorism and specifically with countering Al Qaeda for nearly a decade and he was the primary architect of the failure that led to 9/11.

It's real simple.  He failed at his job.

The definition of insanity is often said to be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting to get a different result.  Sometimes you just have to change directions.  With Clarke in place that wasn't going to happen.  Similar logic was applied to not inviting Powell and Armitage back for the second term.  Their job was to fix the State Department and make it rerpresent the interests of the United States to the rest of the world and not the other way around.

That's the core of the fight today.  The Democrats want to go back to the "good old days" where we try to play nice with the terrorists and treat everthing like a genteel legal dispute.  Bush and company have chosen to go another way.

To paraphrase Ron White "If you come to the US and kill somebody, we will kill you back! That's our policy!"

1,271 posted on 09/25/2006 7:32:09 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: rodguy911

Hello, Rodguy! I didnt have a chance to say hi, yesterday..


1,272 posted on 09/25/2006 8:02:54 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi..)
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To: Phsstpok

Richard Clarke technically didnt lose his job, he was just offered a position eleswhere. Cyber security or something like that. Regardless, a lot of 911 can put on his shoulders. Were his hands tied? Maybe, but if he saw a threat he should have handled it. These people have shown no problem going to the press behind W's back, Clarke should have done it to Bubba. I once heard Rush on a rant about Jimmy Carter being the worst president ever. I disagree-Clinton was the worst..


1,273 posted on 09/25/2006 8:08:04 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi..)
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To: Phsstpok
Well I couldn't agree more. Plenty of Bloggers already do their own Podcasts and the future holds a place for "citizen news reporters" as it now has exploded for citizen journalists, AKA Bloggers.

In fact, I intend to begin my own Podcasts on my Blog although I don't have the faintest idea where to start. Except I did get an IPOD for my recent birthday and that was part of my plan.

Count me in to help.

1,274 posted on 09/25/2006 8:41:59 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com)
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To: samantha
Imagine, ole Timmah Buffalo butt doing a really poor interview (actually more like a Lewinsky)and Old Chris Wallace doing a very courageous, Pulitzer quality interview and almost being beat up by a mental misfit.

Wallace will be black listed. No more interviews for him.

Fox News will be black listed.  No more interviews for them.

All Fox related products will be blacklisted.  No more promotions, invitations, announcements, premieres, etc. for anyone in any way associated with Fox.

They are all unpeople. 

Russert will get the Pulitzer along with the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage award for his brave refusal to bow to the right wing fascists and his continuing commitment to ask only nice (previously approved) questions of King of the World, (secular) Saint Bill the First. 

1,275 posted on 09/25/2006 9:06:02 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: OldFriend
Danforth pretends to be a minister and he spews such hatred and lies at the religious beliefs of others?

I gather that he is part of the liberal wing of the Episcopal Church.  If you follow the religious threads on FR you'll know what that entails, particularly the very basic splits in the last few years.  You know, things like "god is optional" (the lower case "g" is not accidental).

I went through this same type of "liberalization" of a Christian church in my youth when my family briefly attended the Congregational Church in our town.  My sister asked the pastor there about the concept of the Trinity, which she was having problems with.  His reply was "don't worry, god is only a myth, anyway."  We went back to the Baptists soon thereafter.  That Congregational pastor later went on to head the World Council of Churches and oversaw giving church money to the Communist rebels in Angola.  We weren't surprised to learn that little bit of information.
 

1,276 posted on 09/25/2006 9:19:33 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: bvw
Clakre reminds me of Jabba the Hutt -- the character in the orginal pre-edit Star Wars. A man who wants all the bases covered, to be everything marketable to all people.

I know the actor/character/clip you mean, but you do know that the scene with that guy wasn't in the original version of Star Wars?  It got cut entirely before release and you never saw Jabba in what is now known as Episode IV.  Lucas kept everything, since he owned it, and used that as his "plate" to add in the new CG Jabba with the existing footage of others.

As to your comparison of that original Jabba to Clarke, physically, I agree, but Jabba was much more competent and had the ruthlessness we only wish Clarke had.

1,277 posted on 09/25/2006 9:33:22 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Phsstpok

Danforth seems to feel that his beliefs are the TRUE beliefs and no one else is entitled to their own beliefs if they differ with his interpretations.


1,278 posted on 09/25/2006 9:36:46 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Morgan in Denver
I believe this is all calculated to change the subject away from Democrats failures on national security and the important issues we have today. They want to change the subject because they are behind in the polls, so they are making wild claims to derail our momentum for November.

If that's their plan I think they've miscalculated, big time.  Clinton's melt down over this question can only focus the spotlight on their failures, not obscure them.  They're only hope is to make the very questions off limits.  That might have worked before new media.  It won't work today.  On top of that there's still way too much time for simple fact checking to blow this out of the water.

I'm beginning to like MaestroLC's analogy more and more that this is  Bubba's 'Tom Cruise' moment from his post #607.  Tom clearly intended something else to come out of that "spontaneous" little performance and it backfired in a big way.  I think the same will happen with this.

1,279 posted on 09/25/2006 9:57:21 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Txsleuth; Dinah Lord
On O'Reilly's radio show archives page for September 8th he has the following description of the first hour:
ABC 9/11 film controversy
ABC continues to be under tremendous pressure to pull its controversial movie about 9/11. Democrats say it unfairly places the blame for the rise of Al Qaeda on the Clinton administration. What is the truth? We'll give you our no spin take on it in the first hour of the Radio Factor. 

No mention of Cohen, but this is the closest I can find to your description.

You have to be a premium member to listen to or download the archives, so I can't check.

1,280 posted on 09/25/2006 10:05:39 AM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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