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Clinton, bin Laden, Wag The Dog and Fox News
self | 9/24/2006 | Technomage

Posted on 09/24/2006 9:03:18 AM PDT by technomage

After reading parts of the FoxNews Sunday transcript of the interview between Wallace and Clinton, something stuck out to me.

Clinton keeps claiming that 'right wing conservatives' were constantly complaining that he was too obsessed with bin Laden. I have mentioned previous that I have no memories of that happening. What I do remember is conservatives in general complaining about his obsession with Monica.

But, getting back to that claim that conservatives were complaining that Clinton was too obsessed with bin Laden.

After watching the rant, oops, interview, Clinton slipped up. He showed his cards by uttering three little words: wag the dog.

It was like a light bulb going off in my head.

Now it made sense. Clinton is once again 'mixing' historical events to conform to what he wants the world to remember.

Conservatives did use the wag the dog reference numerous times, not in reference to bin Laden, but in reference to Clinton's massive bombardment of Serbia, which had absolutely nothing to do with bin Laden.

Clinton, in the interview basically says, and I paraphrase:

conservatives were complaining that I was obsessed with bin Laden, you know the wag the dog references.

THAT is the statement that shows that either Clinton is having memory problems and mixing up events, or is lying.

All the wag the dog references in the 90's had nothing to do with bin Laden, but had everything to do with Serbia and Milosevic, as far as my meager memory serves. I may be wrong, and I may be unaware of statements to the contrary but as far as I can remember, all those references were regarding Milosevic and Serbia.

Claiming that 'right wing conservatives' were complaining that Clinton was obsessed with bin Laden is an outright lie. But to try and prove it by using the wag the dog reference was a stupid move on his part and illuminated his lack of facts to back it up. And in my view, invalidated the rest of the rant, er interview.


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Well, should I get my tin foil or does any of my pathetic little thoughts make any sense? Has my memory of these events failed me??
1 posted on 09/24/2006 9:03:19 AM PDT by technomage
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To: technomage

You can never go wrong claiming that clinton is a liar.


2 posted on 09/24/2006 9:05:57 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigshit be upon him))
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To: technomage

You are correct, and his talent for aggressive rapid fire speech, aimed mostly at supporters, has used this diversion-from-reality technique for his entire presidency. The sycophantic media never once said "hey, wait a minute. You said x, now you are saying y."


3 posted on 09/24/2006 9:06:10 AM PDT by maica (9/11 was not “the day everything changed”, but the day that revealed how much had already changed.)
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To: technomage

We must read Clintons new book "I'll never wag my finger again". It's bound to be a best seller.


4 posted on 09/24/2006 9:06:55 AM PDT by Uncle George
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To: technomage
'right wing conservatives' were constantly complaining that he was too obsessed with bin Laden.= total fabrication by Clintoon.
5 posted on 09/24/2006 9:07:58 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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the impeached one doth protest too much!!!

he relies and quotes Richard Clark and the 9/11 commission report...both state that he didn't do squat and that he treated the first WT Tower bombings as a criminal event!...now he wants the world to believe that he was gung ho and wanted to kill bin laden...when he really was more concerned with Monica under his desk!

this impeached liar is trying to reclaim, white wash and polish up his legacy..."but that all depends on what is is!"


6 posted on 09/24/2006 9:11:03 AM PDT by hnj_00
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To: technomage

I don't remember anyone sugesting he was preoccupied with Bin Ladin because he WASN'T. The man claims to have been obsessed with him, but can't point to any sustained effort to kill or capture him. In fact, he publicly admitted that he didn't get him when he could have.

The man is a narcissist in the purest sense. Hillary, with her fits of rage and physical violence, is a classic boderline personality. No wonder they've stayed together so long. When a narcissist finds a boderline they become fused for life.... They'll kill eachohter or eventually die trying


7 posted on 09/24/2006 9:11:23 AM PDT by Skip Ripley
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To: technomage
I watched about all of the Bent One's white legs that I could stand.

Waht is wrong with this...man?

8 posted on 09/24/2006 9:12:52 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: technomage
Clinton really should have just let the whole matter die down.  Most Americans would have forgotten the allegations by now.  What he's doing is a good situation for the Republicans ... keeping the whole issue in front of their minds so close to elections.

One thought keeps occuring to me as I see his ranting ... "the man doesth protest too much".  Someone must have hit a raw nerve.

Clinton's "legacy" is getting more and more tainted.

9 posted on 09/24/2006 9:13:49 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: technomage
Clinton did have a valid point in saying GWB had the right to promote democracies in the Middle East. In that he differs from many of the other Dems, not to mention Pat Buchanan.
10 posted on 09/24/2006 9:14:57 AM PDT by Rocko ("I tried. I tried and failed." -- The impeached and disbarred Bill Clinton.)
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To: technomage
Yes you are correct. "Wag the dog" was not about OBL, it was about bombing Serbia to take the news stories away from Monica. I was as interested in politics then as I am now, I don't recall even knowing anything about OBL at that time.

I remember being extremely put out with Starr because he was focusing on sex in the Oval Office and not on selling nuclear secrets to China. I didn't care what BJclinton did with Monica, I still don't.
11 posted on 09/24/2006 9:15:27 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: technomage

Slick is a very clever, sly lying sack of sh*t. He was trying to fool gullible people into believing that he was all over Bin Laden during his presidency when in fact he was not. I, like you, have no memory whatsoever of Clinton ever uttering Bin Laden by name during his presidency, not once. History should sum up Clinton with one word:

LIAR!


12 posted on 09/24/2006 9:15:51 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Ditter

I also don't recall the moonbats screaming that Clinton bypassed the UN to attack Serbia.


13 posted on 09/24/2006 9:16:20 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: technomage

Pffft...and why should anyone believe or pay attention to Clinton's antics? This is a man who got on national attention and emphatically denied having sexual relations with Monica Screwwhenski. The guy knows how to act and "put on the dog". Are we now to believe he's a wounded saintly type of guy? Pffft!!!!!

I don't believe a thing this pathological liar says.


14 posted on 09/24/2006 9:17:11 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: Uncle George
I never wagged my finger at that man - Mr Wallace. Not one time.
15 posted on 09/24/2006 9:18:05 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: technomage

Just more self serving revisionist lies timed to minimize damage to his false "tough guy" image.


16 posted on 09/24/2006 9:18:45 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: moose2004

Bill subscribes to the "best defense is a good offence" when trying to cover his a$$.


17 posted on 09/24/2006 9:19:28 AM PDT by Tspud1
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To: moose2004

He's still seething over the ABC, 9-11 story and took it out of Chris Wallace because he works for FOX. Bet he didn't go "off" on Keith Olberman!


18 posted on 09/24/2006 9:19:45 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: hnj_00

His legacy will never change. I don't think he realizes that. And besides, Jimma Carter, it is the worst.


19 posted on 09/24/2006 9:20:05 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: hnj_00

The more Slick Willy does this the more he sounds like a raving lunatic. As for Richard Clarke, he is another one working on faking a legacy. I watched a documentary with Clarke blaming GWB for not responding to the Cole attack. I seem to remember that the Cole happened on Clinton's watch.

These guys are in a hysterical panic that history will record what really happened and not what they believe happened.


20 posted on 09/24/2006 9:20:12 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: technomage
All the wag the dog references in the 90's had nothing to do with bin Laden, but had everything to do with Serbia and Milosevic, as far as my meager memory serves. I may be wrong, and I may be unaware of statements to the contrary but as far as I can remember, all those references were regarding Milosevic and Serbia.

Excellent memory, and strange that nobody on the show recalled that. Perhaps you should e-mail Chris Wallace and point it out.

21 posted on 09/24/2006 9:20:48 AM PDT by Rocko ("I tried. I tried and failed." -- The impeached and disbarred Bill Clinton.)
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To: technomage

I vote for the "is lying" part. He's doing his best to confuse the public about the REAL history of what went on. Trying to preserve what little legacy he's got left!


22 posted on 09/24/2006 9:21:56 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: hnj_00
the 9/11 commission report...both state that he didn't do squat

From the Report....

President Clinton, in a February 2002 speech to the Long Island Association, said that the United States did not accept a Sudanese offer and take Bin Ladin because there was no indictment. President Clinton speech to the Long Island Association, Feb. 15, 2002 (videotape of speech). But the President told us that he had “misspoken” and was, wrongly, recounting a number of press stories he had read.After reviewing this matter in preparation for his Commission meeting, President Clinton told us that Sudan never offered to turn Bin Ladin over to the United States.President Clinton meeting (Apr.8, 2004). Berger told us that he saw no chance that Sudan would have handed Bin Ladin over and also noted that in 1996, the U.S. government still did not know of any al Qaeda attacks on U.S. citizens. Samuel Berger interview (Jan. 14, 2004).
23 posted on 09/24/2006 9:22:12 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Dutch Boy
watched a documentary with Clarke blaming GWB for not responding to the Cole attack. I seem to remember that the Cole happened on Clinton's watch.

Clinton did the same thing during the Wallace interview.

24 posted on 09/24/2006 9:22:24 AM PDT by Rocko ("I tried. I tried and failed." -- The impeached and disbarred Bill Clinton.)
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To: Founding Father

I think it was the author/ socialite Dorothy Parker who made this remark--a propot of a person in the entertainment biz--that surely applies to BJC: "Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie, including 'a' and 'the.'"


25 posted on 09/24/2006 9:22:29 AM PDT by Remole
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To: technomage
Clinton keeps claiming that 'right wing conservatives' were constantly complaining that he was too obsessed with bin Laden

I'd like to see film footage where an actual Conservative ranted about this I don't think i have ever seen ANY Conservative claim this ! I know i heard plenty of them including myself scream about him being a lieing bastard about many things but bin laden was never one of them at least about him obsessing he used bin laden for excuses but never because he was chasing him but to cover up him chasing a skirt !

26 posted on 09/24/2006 9:22:52 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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To: technomage

Wag the Dog arose because of the fact that Clinton bombed the aspirin factory the night before scheduled impeachment vote. The other bombing was in response Iraq's attempt on Geo. H.W. Bush's life when B41 was in Kuwait for a victory lap.


27 posted on 09/24/2006 9:23:12 AM PDT by magoo70804
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To: onedoug
Waht is wrong with this...man?

A lot of things, including not wearing long enough socks.

28 posted on 09/24/2006 9:23:40 AM PDT by socal_parrot
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To: socal_parrot
Pray we don't suffer under another Clinton co-presidency in the future.
29 posted on 09/24/2006 9:25:27 AM PDT by Rocko ("I tried. I tried and failed." -- The impeached and disbarred Bill Clinton.)
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To: technomage
"Has my memory of these events failed me??"

You forgot your "/sarc" tag...

30 posted on 09/24/2006 9:26:11 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Rocko
Perhaps you should e-mail Chris Wallace and point it out.

GREAT idea!

FNS@foxnews.com

31 posted on 09/24/2006 9:26:33 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Dutch Boy
He also lied when he said that he hasn't criticized President Bush. Everyone knows he does it at least once a month. Also, Bush would never go on TV and blame the liberals for his problems eve though he would be right if he did. He takes responsibility like a real man.
32 posted on 09/24/2006 9:27:55 AM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: technomage
Your memory is spot on. The lying degenerate sinkEmperor is trying to write the historical memory of his legacy. He is a liar and is always deceiving ... only when he is deceiving and getting dupes to swallow his koolaid is this degenerate man 'alive' otherwise he is a dead soul, a rotten tree from which thousands of sour acorns have fallen, the axis of acorns marshaled to balm sinkEmperor's egomaniac lust for worship.
33 posted on 09/24/2006 9:28:07 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Rocko

Are these guys delusional or liars? Liars don't really believe what they say but delusional people truely believe their distortions.

Clinton, Clarke, Gore, Kerry, Dean and others are approaching a delusional state. They are sounding a lot like David Koresh and Jim Jones in their paranoia of the right.


34 posted on 09/24/2006 9:28:33 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Churchillspirit

LOL! That is too funny!


35 posted on 09/24/2006 9:29:25 AM PDT by fishergirl (Choose your vices carefully, then be loyal to them.)
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To: Dutch Boy

I don't know, but I don't like to see any of them in power.


36 posted on 09/24/2006 9:31:06 AM PDT by Rocko ("I tried. I tried and failed." -- The impeached and disbarred Bill Clinton.)
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To: technomage
My memory is that he was criticized for blowing up an "aspirin" factory. His timing and lack of further action is what concerned us "right wingers"!
37 posted on 09/24/2006 9:31:25 AM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: technomage

I think if you do some Googling around you'll find the aspirin factory in Sudan and the two tents and a camel taken out in Afghanistan were also part and parcel of "wagging the dog".


38 posted on 09/24/2006 9:31:32 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Rocko

Please prefer not to bring that piece of scum into the conservation by using Pat Buchanan's name.
Why people listen to Buchanan is a complete mystery to me.
Anti America and, anti Israel seems to be all he wants too talk about lately.
Hard for me to believe he was once part of the GOP speech writers.


39 posted on 09/24/2006 9:31:37 AM PDT by buck61
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To: technomage

No you are absolutely correct. I too recall that the original Wag the Dog was the Predator in Chief’s desire to deflect the Monica - Broderick – Willey – Jones – Foster – White Water scandals to name just a few (did I miss any?) by bombing Serbia and taking the media’s attention away from his scandal riddle administration and personally deviant ways by attacking a country who’s affairs and were not in our national interests but would replace his problems and tonight’s big story.

Bin Laden wasn’t even a household name at the time.

This is just Bill’s sorry attempt to reinvent history.


40 posted on 09/24/2006 9:32:04 AM PDT by Caramelgal (Michael Steele doesn’t hate puppies – for the record, Michael Steele loves puppies!)
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To: Churchillspirit

I would have given anything if Chris had immediately referred to the MOnica denial finger wagging TV incident when the sinkEmperor kept wagging his finger at Chris. I can only imagine the vein which would have exploded in that degenerate brain. The alphabet networks are working their sycophantic asses off to rescue the sink's image immediately.


41 posted on 09/24/2006 9:33:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: BenLurkin
He is very mixed up. Conservatives critized him for ordering the launch of TLAMs against Afganistan camps and the famous "asprin factory" on the eve of his impeachment to try to divert the press (which worked!). That was viewed a a form of wag the dog as I recall. However, NO ONE ever critized him for going after OBL too hard because... he didn't go after him very hard at all. Shooting a few camels and tents in the middle of nowhere is an obsession only in WJC's mind.
42 posted on 09/24/2006 9:33:44 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: technomage

For me, shankbear's tagline says it all. The whole world knew that for months and months Clinton's attention was on wagging something else and not just his finger.


43 posted on 09/24/2006 9:35:29 AM PDT by fishergirl (Choose your vices carefully, then be loyal to them.)
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To: RedEyeJack

Please compare and contrast with GWB, who does what he thinks is correct, no matter how much flack he gets.


44 posted on 09/24/2006 9:35:37 AM PDT by Rocko ("I tried. I tried and failed." -- The impeached and disbarred Bill Clinton.)
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To: Ditter
Wag the dog was also about bin Laden. When he lobbed those tomahawks into Afghanistan and the aspirin factory in Sudan. He claimed it was an attempt to kill bin Laden or, maybe more correctly, to destroy terrorist training sites in Khost after Kenya and Tanzania. The fact that this all took place during impeachment is what made GOPers use the wag the dog reference

I can remember Ron Kuby on Curtis and Kuby calling for Clinton's impeachment for killing people to move the news cycles away from Monica et al. And Kuby is an unreconstructed commie who opposed Monicagate.

What I will never understand is Clinton's being terrified of the impeachment process. There was never any doubt the House would impeach and even less doubt the Senate would acquit. It was staged like good Japanese Kabuki. Every movement choreographed. Clinton was never in any danger. He created the wag the dog reference for no valuable reason.(see pages 117-120 9/11 Commission Report, authorized edition)

45 posted on 09/24/2006 9:35:48 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: technomage
Wag the Dog showed up several times, including Lewinsky's Grand Jury appearance:

2) Wag the Dog scenario considered by all the networks as CBS questioned the lack of "bipartisan patriotism." On ABC George Stephanopoulos insisted Clinton refused to apologize "because he was afraid of projecting weakness" to the terrorists.



46 posted on 09/24/2006 9:36:27 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: technomage
[ Claiming that 'right wing conservatives' were complaining that Clinton was obsessed with bin Laden "IS" an outright lie. ]

WHatever the meaning is of "IS"...

47 posted on 09/24/2006 9:36:30 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: technomage

bttt


48 posted on 09/24/2006 9:38:12 AM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: RedEyeJack
"NO ONE ever criticized him for going after OBL too hard because... he didn't go after him very hard at all."

Exactly. This is classic Clintoon. The very epitome of why he is despised by every American who is not emotionally and intellectually committed to the democrat party.

49 posted on 09/24/2006 9:39:24 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: technomage

Actually the "wag the dog" reference had nothing to do with eiother Bin Laden or Serbia. It was October 1998, during Clinton's deposition, that he carried out a massive attack on IRAQ, and his officials made big noises about a possible invasion of Iraq.


50 posted on 09/24/2006 9:41:15 AM PDT by montag813
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