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Beretta Backers Beat Down the .45 Revival
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Posted on 09/25/2006 10:46:11 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim
I have both a Berretta 92FS and an H&K USP .45 tactical. I would prefer the H&K hands down. I love my Berretta, but the H&K is simply better. My only knock against the H&K is it's a little bulky.
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:00:39 AM PDT
by
KoRn
To: 1rudeboy
A small handgun is much better than no handgun at all and just some harsh words.
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:01:04 AM PDT
by
Blue Jays
(Rock Hard, Ride Free)
To: Armedanddangerous
I am wondering if this is a cost per bullet issue?
How many types of bullets does the military use? (I remember a history chanel special showing how the japanese during WWII were crippled by their wide variety of bullet needs)
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:02:21 AM PDT
by
longtermmemmory
(VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
To: RexBeach
"Didn't "M" admonish James Bond for carrying a Beretta because it lacked stopping power? " Not to mention that the clip keeps falling out too.
To: kiriath_jearim
Yes. M's assistant from Q branch said the department viewed 007's .25 cal. pistol as a "ladies' gun, sir." Time to un-pimp your gun, sir. LOL
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:06:06 AM PDT
by
1rudeboy
To: kiriath_jearim
Dust off the ol'e 10mm and be done with the arguments.
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:08:46 AM PDT
by
n230099
("If the creator had a purpose in equipping us with a neck, he surely meant us to stick it out.")
To: kiriath_jearim
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:09:33 AM PDT
by
RKV
( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
To: tigtog
I think it has to do with incidents of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan shooting bad guys with their berettas, loaded with pathetic 9mm full metal jacket ball ammunition, and having to follow up with five and six extra shots to make the bad guy dead.
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:10:15 AM PDT
by
Armedanddangerous
(The first rule in a gunfight is to have a gun, more than one, if possible..bring a shotgun)
To: Disambiguator
I own a couple... better than a .25 and about the same knockdown as a .38 Special. It is a backup caliber, but 007 was superhuman, so he didn't need more firepower! ;-)
LLS
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:10:38 AM PDT
by
LibLieSlayer
(Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
To: longtermmemmory
Naw..its a one-shot stopper issue.
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:12:15 AM PDT
by
Armedanddangerous
(The first rule in a gunfight is to have a gun, more than one, if possible..bring a shotgun)
To: tigtog
Dear TT,
I hope ypou are right. Replacing the .45 ACP with the 9mm was fixing a problem that didn't exist. My son has friends in Marine Force Recon. They have a smorgasbord of weapons to select and train with and carry into harm's way. None carry a 9mm.
To: weps4ret
Yep, the SIG-226 in 40 caliber with the DAK trigger.
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:12:54 AM PDT
by
Armedanddangerous
(The first rule in a gunfight is to have a gun, more than one, if possible..bring a shotgun)
To: RKV
Breaking that rule did not hurt James Butler Hickock, but sitting at the wrong place on the card table did.
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:14:42 AM PDT
by
FNG
To: Eaker
And there are glocks out there with external safeties. Iv'e seen photos of them. ping for a Glock statement. Is this true? After market addition?
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:15:17 AM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer)
To: kiriath_jearim
The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was, as its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and are easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about a century old, as a design). The Department of Defense planned to buy 645,000 JCPs. But now, the troops are being told to keep their 9mm Berettas, and all the complaints they have about those weapons.Does no one remember September 11, 2001 when America was attacked by Islamic terrorists? In 1898 the U.S Armed Forces carried .38 revolver
.38 caliber is .357
9 mm is .355
During the Spanish-American war the .38 caliber proved insufficient to stop Islamic terrorists in the Philippines
.45 caliber ACP was chosen, Browning designed a sidearm to stop Islamic Terrorists.
It seems that DoD has forgotten one hundred years of history.
The 1911 pistol may be 100 years old, but stopping Islamic Terrorists has remained the same.
OBTW; Think of this question : is Islamic Terrorist redundant ?
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:15:26 AM PDT
by
Uri’el-2012
(Psalm 144:1 Praise be to YHvH, my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.)
To: wastedyears
The Mark 23 is by Heckler&Koch, not US either.
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:15:32 AM PDT
by
Recon Dad
(Marine Spec Ops Dad)
To: kiriath_jearim
Ridiculous.
The sidearm has a neglible contribution to a platoon's fire power. What the DoD needs to do is come up with a real rifle and squad MG before worrying about handguns.
Those who NEED sidearms (Special Operations) are authotized to procure whatever they wish anyway.
To: XeniaSt
is Islamic Terrorist redundant ? Yes. There have, from time to time, been Communist terrorists, National Socialist terrorists, and various terrorists involved with nationalist movements that are/were not particularly ideological.
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:17:52 AM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: ArrogantBustard
I guess I should say "No, it's not redundant. There have been &c"
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:18:32 AM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: tigtog
I feel the same way. Very recently I was told that various .45's were being tested. Glocks were one of the pistols being tested. I will be very surprised if this turns out to be the final word on this issue.
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posted on
09/25/2006 11:18:40 AM PDT
by
Recon Dad
(Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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