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CONDI VS. BUBBA . . .(Berger stolen papers revealed?)
NY Post ^ | 9/26/06 | Editorial

Posted on 09/26/2006 6:08:31 AM PDT by teddyballgame

In fact, a 1999 Clarke after-action memo - the one top Clinton aide Sandy Berger later stole from the National Archives - identified national-security weaknesses so "glaring" that only sheer "luck" prevented a cataclysmic attack back then.

And, as Clarke told the 9/11 Commission publicly, there was nothing the Bush administration could have done that would have prevented the attacks.

Sure, he tells a different story now. But that, he admitted, is because of his opposition to the Iraq war, which he believes distracted from the War on Terror.

Secretary Rice was a lot more honest, explaining yesterday that there was no full-scale War on Terror "the way that we're fighting it now" - by either administration - before 9/11: "We just weren't organized as a country, either domestically or as a leader internationally."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; 911commission; archives; berger; clarke; clinton; condi; condirice; dickclarke; gwot; national; nationalarchives; rice; sandy; sandyberger; sandyburglar; secretaryrice; waronterror; wot
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This is the first I've heard on the contents of those slonen papers.
1 posted on 09/26/2006 6:08:32 AM PDT by teddyballgame
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To: teddyballgame
I hope Bubba does not start picking on Condi,he's the one that will need some ice not her.
2 posted on 09/26/2006 6:10:59 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: pinz-n-needlez; onyx; ohioWfan; Texasforever; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; mrs tiggywinkle; Dog; ...

ping


3 posted on 09/26/2006 6:12:03 AM PDT by Mo1 (Hey McCain and Graham .... our soldiers signed up to dodge bullets not lawsuits)
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To: rodguy911

I agree, I think she's MUCH smarter than him. Smart enough not to be hurt by his cunning.


4 posted on 09/26/2006 6:12:42 AM PDT by TheKidster
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To: teddyballgame

"Back then, he said: "There was no plan on al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration. . . . [a] plan, strategy - there was no, nothing new."

Indeed, Clarke said, the Bush team in 2001 "changed the [Clinton] strategy from one of rollback [of] al Qaeda over five years to a new strategy that called for the rapid elimination of al Qaeda. That is in fact the timeline."

Bush, he added, took action on several "issues that had been on the table for a couple of years," such as instituting a new policy in Pakistan that convinced Islamabad "to break away from the Taliban" and boosting "CIA resources . . . for covert action five-fold to go after al Qaeda." "

These are very important points from Clintons "expert".


5 posted on 09/26/2006 6:13:57 AM PDT by stevestras
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To: teddyballgame

One report said that the stolen papers had to do with Clinton helping Muslims in Serbia and Bosnia.
Those Muslims were Mujahadin from Afghanistan and Chechnya. Clinton took their side against Christians from the former Yugoslavia,


6 posted on 09/26/2006 6:14:04 AM PDT by radar101
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To: Mo1

WOW


7 posted on 09/26/2006 6:15:11 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: teddyballgame
Sure, he tells a different story now. But that, he admitted, is because of his opposition to the Iraq war, which he believes distracted from the War on Terror

..and the fact that he has a bug up his butt about being passed up on the Homeland Security post...(check the time line and his kerry like flip-flop)

Doogle

8 posted on 09/26/2006 6:15:22 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF 69-73...."never store a threat you should have eliminated")
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To: teddyballgame

"They had eight months to try, [and] they did not try," Clinton shouted. "I got closer to killing him than anybody's gotten since."......but then I let him go (twice)

"all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now"....."now?" did we have a lull in the attack and are now renewing it?

". . . 'Why did you fire Dick Clarke,"....Could it be the fact that he was a bumbling, incompetent idiot, that couldn't find his own butt with both hands?

I'll bet Condi could kick Bubba's but physically in addition to vocally.


9 posted on 09/26/2006 6:15:52 AM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: teddyballgame
In fact, a 1999 Clarke after-action memo - the one top Clinton aide Sandy Berger later stole from the National Archives - identified national-security weaknesses so "glaring" that only sheer "luck" prevented a cataclysmic attack back then.

If true, this is hugh! Thank Bubba for digging up this old grave. Maybe you should put some ice on that interview.

10 posted on 09/26/2006 6:15:52 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

I think Bubba has really stepped in it. The Dems are on a full court press (Begala, Carville, Dean) all making the rounds, acting like this is a great rallying cry for them. I don't think so - I think this is puting the spot light clearly on the Clinton Administration's inadequecies on the WOT.


11 posted on 09/26/2006 6:19:58 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: rodguy911
There's not much talk about a Condi Presidential run these days. I guess she's really NOT going to run.

IMO, that's a shame. I think it would make the GOP Primaries a lot more fun. With the bunch we have now, it looks like it's going to be "as exciting as a bucket of warm spit". (Quote from FDR's VEEP, "Texas" Jack Garner in the 1930s.)
12 posted on 09/26/2006 6:20:03 AM PDT by no dems (I'll take a moral Mormon over a demonic Democrat or repugnant RINO anyday.)
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To: teddyballgame
"The blame for 9/11 goes back fully 25 years, and includes both Democratic and Republican presidents."

True enough but only part of the story. Presidents come and go but the Congress is forever. They sat idly by while the islamofascists attacked us for 30 years and did nothing but stick their collective thumbs up their collective butts.

13 posted on 09/26/2006 6:20:42 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: McGruff
Wasn't that memo already public knowledge? Or did we get that from 9/11 testimony?

Probably the memo itself wasn't important, as what was written on it...something from Clinton like "Well, we sure got lucky! Har, har! Now use this to blame the GOP and show us as tough on terror. Signed, POTUS."

14 posted on 09/26/2006 6:21:11 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: teddyballgame
From Fox News:

"Berger acknowledged to U.S. Magistrate Deborah Robinson that he intentionally took and deliberately destroyed three copies of the same document dealing with terror threats during the 2000 millennium celebration. He then lied about it to Archives staff when they told him the documents were missing."

15 posted on 09/26/2006 6:23:36 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: teddyballgame
Secretary Rice was a lot more honest, explaining yesterday that there was no full-scale War on Terror "the way that we're fighting it now"

She thinks we're fighting a "full-scale war?"

16 posted on 09/26/2006 6:24:18 AM PDT by ASA Vet (The war should have been over at 8:45 AM 9/12/01.)
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To: teddyballgame

Now THAT would be a dream debate....Condi and the Slick One! Having Ann Coulter interview him on Fox would be even better!


17 posted on 09/26/2006 6:24:37 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Clinton "tried", 3000 died)
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To: teddyballgame

Now THAT would be a dream debate....Condi and the Slick One! Having Ann Coulter interview him on Fox would be even better!


18 posted on 09/26/2006 6:24:55 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Clinton "tried", 3000 died)
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To: teddyballgame
We have known what Berger stole from the Archives for over 2 years. From my files:

We already know exactly what Berglar took and why...pay close attention to the last para on the Clarke/Kerrick memo. From Ashcroft's testimony:

The NSC's Millennium After Action Review declares that the United States barely missed major terrorist attacks in 1999 — with luck playing a major role. Among the many vulnerabilities in homeland defenses identified, the Justice Department's surveillance and FISA operations were specifically criticized for their glaring weaknesses. It is clear from the review that actions taken in the Millennium Period should not be the operating model for the U.S. government.

In March 2000, the review warns the prior Administration of a substantial al Qaeda network and affiliated foreign terrorist presence within the U.S., capable of supporting additional terrorist attacks here. [My note: AD info?]

Furthermore, fully seventeen months before the September 11 attacks, the review recommends disrupting the al Qaeda network and terrorist presence here using immigration violations, minor criminal infractions, and tougher visa and border controls.

Post #745

It falls directly into the AD timeline. In that same post, I note that what Sandy Berger stole was the versions of the after action report:

The missing copies, according to Breuer and their author, Richard A. Clarke, the counterterrorism chief in the Clinton administration and early in President Bush's administration, were versions of after-action reports recommending changes following threats of terrorism as 1999 turned to 2000. Clarke said he prepared about two dozen ideas for countering terrorist threats. The recommendations were circulated among Cabinet agencies, and various versions of the memo contained additions and refinements, Clarke said last night.

Therefore, they were never provided to the Commission, as evidenced by the Commission Report footnotes (#769):

46. NSC email, Clarke to Kerrick,“Timeline,”Aug. 19, 1998; Samuel Berger interview (Jan. 14, 2004). We did not find documentation on the after-action review mentioned by Berger. On Vice Chairman Joseph Ralston’s mission in Pakistan, see William Cohen interview (Feb. 5, 2004). For speculation on tipping off the Taliban, see, e.g., Richard Clarke interview (Dec. 18, 2003).

And to what does footnote (46) refer? On p. 117, Chapter 4, we find this:

Later on August 20, Navy vessels in the Arabian Sea fired their cruise missiles. Though most of them hit their intended targets, neither Bin Ladin nor any other terrorist leader was killed. Berger told us that an after-action review by Director Tenet concluded that the strikes had killed 20–30 people in the camps but probably missed Bin Ladin by a few hours. Since the missiles headed for Afghanistan had had to cross Pakistan, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs was sent to meet with Pakistan’s army chief of staff to assure him the missiles were not coming from India. Officials in Washington speculated that one or another Pakistani official might have sent a warning to the Taliban or Bin Ladin. (46)
How about that? How many times have we heard Clinton say that he missed Bin Ladin by just a few hours? Yet the after-action report is missing, so the Commission relied on Sandy Berger's testimony.

Then the Clarke/Kerrick memo peaked my interest and I found this (#784):

Clarke was nervous about such a mission because he continued to fear that Bin Ladin might leave for someplace less accessible. He wrote Deputy National Security Advisor Donald Kerrick that one reliable source reported Bin Ladin's having met with Iraqi officials, who "may have offered him asylum." Other intelligence sources said that some Taliban leaders, though not Mullah Omar, had urged Bin Ladin to go to Iraq. If Bin Ladin actually moved to Iraq, wrote Clarke, his network would be at Saddam Hussein's service, and it would be "virtually impossible" to find him. Better to get Bin Ladin in Afghanistan, Clarke declared.


19 posted on 09/26/2006 6:26:15 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: TheKidster
But just when you thought Meredith Vieira was going to lead a one-sided seance, she actually hit the liberal duo with two tough questions.

Condi is willing to take a hit and win in the end. Poor Bubba squeals like a stuck pig if his overnight polling numbers drop down a point.

20 posted on 09/26/2006 6:26:23 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: Mo1

None of this is surprising...especially the part about Condi being more "honest".


21 posted on 09/26/2006 6:28:45 AM PDT by Txsleuth (,((((((((ISRAEL)))))) Pray for the release of the Israelis.)
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To: teddyballgame

NOTHING in this editorial will ever be repeated on The Sunday Shows, any Evening Newscast or any mainstream newspaper. Clinton's screw ups NEVER HAPPENED.


22 posted on 09/26/2006 6:30:09 AM PDT by GianniV
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To: stm
"'Why did you fire Dick Clarke,"..

Because he was spending to much time trying to resurrect his American Bandstand show?

23 posted on 09/26/2006 6:31:11 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: jwalsh07

It goes further back than 25 years. Specifically Jimmy Carter.


24 posted on 09/26/2006 6:31:59 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Because he was spending to much time trying to resurrect his American Bandstand show?

Naww, it was a hair thing. Duby and Cheney were jealous of his hair.

25 posted on 09/26/2006 6:32:17 AM PDT by GaltMeister (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”)
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To: Quilla
The most amazing thing from that article was that Berger admitted to destroying the papers in preparation for the testimony.

After his court appearance, Berger told reporters that he "exercised poor judgement" and "deeply regretted it." He said his motivation was to help himself and others prepare for their appearance before the commission probing the events surrounding the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
26 posted on 09/26/2006 6:33:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: ravingnutter

So there was no connection between Saddam and Usama, right. If I was thinking of moving in with my daughter, I'd probably tell her first.


28 posted on 09/26/2006 6:35:34 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: GianniV

Before the advent of the "new" media that would have been the case. No longer.


29 posted on 09/26/2006 6:35:50 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: rodguy911

I have delicious visions of Condi stomping on slick willie's instep with her high heeled boot.


30 posted on 09/26/2006 6:36:10 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks for that poignant reminder. I still find it amazing that the MSM/DBM have all but ignored this story & still quote Sandy Berger as if his opinion is relevant about anything.


31 posted on 09/26/2006 6:36:16 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats, terrorists, Powell, McCain, Graham & Collins are intimate bedfellows)
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To: stevestras
Just think of all the 'stans' that cooperated with our military. Using their bases, allowing us to flyover their territory, to say nothing of Mushareff openly acting on our behalf at great GREAT risk to himself and his rule.

Whatever Pakistan is doing behind the scenes, we could never have accomplished so much without Pakistan.

32 posted on 09/26/2006 6:38:09 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: radar101
No need for papers like that to be stolen. It was all public information.

I suspect that it was the analysis of our weakness and inaction in the fact of all the terror attacks that happened before 9/11.

33 posted on 09/26/2006 6:39:05 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: teddyballgame

Too bad Larry Kudlow has jumped the shark. He's having begala and snakehead on his show today.


34 posted on 09/26/2006 6:40:24 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Mo1

wow!


35 posted on 09/26/2006 6:40:43 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry ( The kinder we are to terrorists, the harsher we are to their potential victims.)
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To: teddyballgame
Clinton effectively slept through it all - and now he's trying to rewrite history.

Bullseye! The more this is discussed, the more exposed he becomes. Shrillary must be one pissed off wench this week.

36 posted on 09/26/2006 6:42:09 AM PDT by capydick (Not to know is bad; not to wish to know is worse.)
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks for the detailed response. I thought the papers had something to do with the terror plot for Millenium project. I hadn't realized that the papers focused that much on the glaring defficiencies of the Clinton Admin.

Has Dick Clark ever gone on record about Berger's stolen documents?


38 posted on 09/26/2006 6:42:26 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: NRA1995

Clinton can't take difficult hardball questions. The world was his oyster when he and his "staff" could orchestrate everything and eliminate anyone who crossed them with threats and/or arrest. He isn't used to being crossed. He looked like he wanted to physically attack Wallace, so perhaps he needs a big old can of Ignore the Clintons opened on him and to be relegated to the back burner of the attention stove - along with Hillary. If his Presidency was a disASSter, hers would be a catASStrophe, probably starting right away with the massive voter fraud it would take to elect her.


39 posted on 09/26/2006 6:42:37 AM PDT by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.)
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To: teddyballgame

Never underestimate the Clinton spin team and the MSM's tendency to buy into it. (Clinton spin = outright lies)


40 posted on 09/26/2006 6:43:03 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: Baynative

Neither Rove or anyone close to this President would ever ever release any information from a classified source.


41 posted on 09/26/2006 6:44:13 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: teddyballgame

Snipped this from the article and throwing it out to the first taker for an EXCELLENT new tag line:
"But was Clinton telling the truth? (Remember the LAST time he wagged his finger in public?) "


42 posted on 09/26/2006 6:44:51 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Don't fall for the soft bigotry of assuming all Hispanics are pro-amnesty. www.dontspeakforme.org)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
"Because he was spending to much time trying to resurrect his American Bandstand show?"

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43 posted on 09/26/2006 6:45:04 AM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: OldFriend


What for?


44 posted on 09/26/2006 6:46:07 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: teddyballgame

Millions of citizens in the US would pay good money on PPV to see Billy Jeff debate Sec. Rice. Can you just picture the baggy-faced rat, with his dry-mouthed lying, and Rice, with her ever-cool composure, going at it? That's why he'd never do it.


46 posted on 09/26/2006 6:51:24 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: ravingnutter
Great post. Wonder was it only Berger that Clinton got his intel briefings from or was Hillry the go to office for all the data dump.

There were parts of what Clinton said that sounded 'rehearsed', Clinton did speak with confidence of exact events, kinda like he did not know details.
47 posted on 09/26/2006 6:51:44 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: teddyballgame

I now believe he mentioned Clark so many times in yelling at Wallace not to get people to read Clark's book, but to send Clark a message to watch Clark's back.


48 posted on 09/26/2006 6:52:23 AM PDT by Crawdad (My kingdom for a real conservative without a conscience.)
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To: OldFriend

begala a.k.a "the forehead"


49 posted on 09/26/2006 6:53:02 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: Quilla

We ought to F.O.I.A. their ass (National Archives) about this.


50 posted on 09/26/2006 6:54:16 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (..is an American allright, but is not in Japan, folks. Thanks for letting me keep the moniker.)
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