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Excellent Rebuttal to Global Warming Alarmists
U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works ^

Posted on 09/27/2006 4:39:37 AM PDT by poncho67

Climate alarmists have been attempting to erase the inconvenient Medieval Warm Period from the Earth’s climate history for at least a decade. David Deming, an assistant professor at the University of Oklahoma’s College of Geosciences, can testify first hand about this effort. Dr. Deming was welcomed into the close-knit group of global warming believers after he published a paper in 1995 that noted some warming in the 20th century. Deming says he was subsequently contacted by a prominent global warming alarmist and told point blank “We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.” When the “Hockey Stick” first appeared in 1998, it did just that.

(Excerpt) Read more at epw.senate.gov ...


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KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; inhofe; inhofegw; jamesinhofe
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Sen. Inhofe's paper is a must read for anyone wanting to hear or see the "facts" about global warming and the political football it has become.
1 posted on 09/27/2006 4:39:37 AM PDT by poncho67
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To: poncho67

Bump


2 posted on 09/27/2006 4:46:13 AM PDT by Darnright (http://media.putfile.com/Webb-on-Allen)
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To: poncho67

Almost grasped that straw, but missed again.


3 posted on 09/27/2006 4:49:28 AM PDT by benjamin032
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To: poncho67

later read


4 posted on 09/27/2006 5:04:33 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: poncho67
There is no such thing as stasis in Earth's weather patterns, just as there is no such thing as stasis in its geology or anything else for that matter. There never was, there is not now, and there never will be. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

We are blessed with the ability to adapt, and that's how the human race has survived both heat waves and blizzards, floods and droughts.

Regards, Ivan

5 posted on 09/27/2006 5:07:02 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: poncho67

save


6 posted on 09/27/2006 5:16:53 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: poncho67

Bump for later


7 posted on 09/27/2006 5:23:18 AM PDT by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: poncho67

That was excellent


Check this one out:

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html


8 posted on 09/27/2006 5:26:42 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: ml/nj

Ping


9 posted on 09/27/2006 5:30:35 AM PDT by upier ("Usted no es agradable en América" "Ahora deporte Illegals")
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Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
10 posted on 09/27/2006 5:36:44 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: poncho67

Every year I see variations in the seasons. I remember summers hotter than Hell as a Child. Every now and then during winter a storm dumps a lot of snow for me to shovel. Sea level is about where it was 50 years ago. Polar bears still live in the north. As a child we had yellow journalism spreading some lie. So what's new?


11 posted on 09/27/2006 5:36:57 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: freepatriot32

BTTT


12 posted on 09/27/2006 5:54:58 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: tubebender

Ping for later...


13 posted on 09/27/2006 6:20:22 AM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: poncho67

Too bad we couldn't make stupidity fatal. We could clear the lot of these GW extremists out over night. It'd also help clear out 99% of the DNC...


14 posted on 09/27/2006 6:24:44 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Quam terribilis est haec hora)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ping


15 posted on 09/27/2006 6:45:48 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket

Thanks for the ping! I'll want to look it over first, and I may have to stop before I can ping it, but if so, I'll get it later on today.


16 posted on 09/27/2006 7:27:07 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Lord, help me to be the Christian conservative that liberals fear I am.)
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To: poncho67

I find it interesting that the debate has now shifted from "the climate isn't changing there is no proof" to "the climate always changes and man isn't responsible".

I figure in about 12-18 months we will get "Humans are only causing a small fraction of the change, so there isn't much we can do".

Ultimately the right lets the left get to own this issue and loses big time as they implement wacky schemes to what is could easily be solved through obvious market mechanisms.

Insert head in sand. The consistently brilliant conservative strategy to having started out on the wrong side of an issue.


17 posted on 09/27/2006 7:29:43 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: poncho67

18 posted on 09/27/2006 7:31:00 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (What's Russia's and China's part in all of this?)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

"I find it interesting that the debate has now shifted from "the climate isn't changing there is no proof" to "the climate always changes and man isn't responsible".

Where exactly did you get that?? Do you just make up bogus arguments as you go? Hmmm, nevermind, that is SOP for you wacko lefties.


19 posted on 09/27/2006 7:35:46 AM PDT by poncho67
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To: poncho67

Look back a few years (if not months) and you will see an awful lot of Freepers claiming that nothing is happening.

My favourite ones are those who like to expain how cold it was last winter. Even Rush was prone to some of that type of sophistry.

As far as the wacko left being all over this issue, of course they are. They have a winner and the right is just letting them take it.

Don't forget, the genesis of a proposition has no bearing on its truth.


20 posted on 09/27/2006 7:49:00 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: woollyone

self ping for later reading


21 posted on 09/27/2006 8:24:43 AM PDT by woollyone (Preacher; "If there was more love in the world, there'd probably be a lot less dyin'")
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To: MadIvan

The sun is getting warmer as well as the earths core however we receive no information about that issue by the MSM.


22 posted on 09/27/2006 8:30:52 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Insert head in sand. The consistently brilliant conservative strategy to having started out on the wrong side of an issue.

Man caused global warming is religion, not science.
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23 posted on 09/27/2006 8:31:52 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: benjamin032
"Almost grasped that straw, but missed again."

Global warming propagandists habe been grasping and missing their straws consistantly, but they have the global propaganda ministry (the drive-by media) on their side all the way.

24 posted on 09/27/2006 8:45:31 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: tubebender; 1Old Pro; aardvark1; a_federalist; abner; alaskanfan; alloysteel; alfons; ...

Ping the gang while you're at it! ;o)


25 posted on 09/27/2006 8:47:57 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: poncho67

bump for later.


26 posted on 09/27/2006 8:50:14 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the ping.

I just sent this link to a fellow conservative who was starting to weaken because of his wife a former hippy and her daughter.


27 posted on 09/27/2006 9:07:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic lies/wet dreams posing as news.)
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To: Vaquero

Thanks for that link. Logical info there. :)


28 posted on 09/27/2006 9:13:12 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: editor-surveyor

BTTT


29 posted on 09/27/2006 9:16:32 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: editor-surveyor

The arrogance of the global warming moonbats is appalling!!


30 posted on 09/27/2006 9:28:06 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: poncho67

bump4later


31 posted on 09/27/2006 9:32:27 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
"Insert head in sand. The consistently brilliant conservative strategy to having started out on the wrong side of an issue."

You miss the point. The climate ISN'T changing enough to make any difference, but proving that is just as impossible as proving that IT IS changing enough to make any difference. We simply cannot forecast what the climate will be like in 50 or 100 years with any accuracy.

During the 70's the predictions were that we were headed for a mini ice age, and that billions would have starved to death by the late 90's. That prediction was made by the same boneheads that are now predicting global warming.

What else can you say to idiots like these except 'shut up'?

Who cares if the globe is warming, it has done that before, and if it does it again, it will be great for food production, and if the sea levels rise, even under worst case scenarios, it will rise so slowly that people will adapt.

Fear mongering is not only silly, but wastes resources that could be better used elsewhere.

BTW what happened to the hole in the ozone layer? It's gone. Wasn't that going to kill us all?

So far environmentalists forecasts have been 100% wrong. It's not really their fault though, they are to stupid to understand just how profoundly stupid and unable to predict anything they are.
32 posted on 09/27/2006 9:38:08 AM PDT by monday
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To: poncho67

I read it, liked it a lot and downloaded the whole speech to send to my daughter, a died-in- the-wool, liberal Global Warming alarmist. I learned from her that libs cannot stand to quietly discuss the issue and they refuse to read anything that proves that GW is a huge scam. Libs are the most closed-minded people I know and I'm sorry that my kid is one of them. It's not my fault! By the way, she's a Brit lib so she will not cancel my vote in our elections.


33 posted on 09/27/2006 9:44:17 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: editor-surveyor; All
The following shows that anthropomorphic CO2 has increased vegetation from wheat to oranges to pine trees etc.:  Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide - Global Warming Petition Project

Yes -- it appears that alarmism has led to skepticism.

That's a good think. Skepticism of political alarmism is increasing people's skepticism of politicians and bureaucrats too, regardless of it applying to both sides of the aisle and all three branches of government. That too is a good thing. Ditto for state governments and their officials.

Breaking the cycles of media hysteria will not be easy since hysteria sells -- it’s very profitable. But I want to challenge the news media to reverse course and report on the objective science of climate change, to stop ignoring legitimate voices this scientific debate and to stop acting as a vehicle for unsubstantiated hype.

Agree. No reason to limit it to global warming or the environment. The power of the global warming hoax is that the idea of global warming has captured so many people's attention. It's not trivial. It's widespread and has cross pollinated beyond headlines, politics and education. 

Breaking the cycles of media politician&bureaucrat hysteria will not be easy since hysteria sells -- it’s very profitable. But I want to challenge the news media politicians&bureaucrats to reverse course and report on the objective science of climate change, to stop ignoring legitimate voices this scientific debate and to stop acting as a vehicle for unsubstantiated hype.

We're in the rabbit hole. Have been for 2400 years. Ever deeper the world population plummets to the authoritarians' cry that "we're doomed" Governments and religions leading the way.

Despite their cries of certain doom ever greater understandings of nature has lead to ever advancing technologies. Business has increasingly advanced and pushed new technologies in certain geo-political areas and some around the globe. Why are there geo-political boundaries at all hindering the mass-marketing of advanced technologies and industrialization? Welcome to the rabbit hole.

We're doomed!

No we're not. Save for Islam-fascist terrorist that want to kill us all. "We", being the world population. Shortly, the 2400 legacy of authoritarianism will be obsolete. Science and business will push technologies beyond geo-political boundaries faster and further than politicians, bureaucrats and the media will be able to thwart. 

Technology advances exponentially. We're at the beginning of the knee of the curve. Toward the future, noticeable, life-experiencing affects of rapidly advancing technologies will outpace and quickly race past politicians and bureaucrats abilities to write laws to curtail the inevitable doom they and the media proclaim from their authoritarian perches.

The federal government creates about 3,000 new laws and regulations each year. Each state creates about a third as many. All to supposedly save citizens and society from doom or the boogieman of the day. Despite a mountain of laws, which almost every person breaks more than just traffic laws several times each year, persons and society have increasingly prospered. Leastwise they have in the United States. 

It seems obvious that all those must-have laws weren't must-have laws at all. They're unnecessary. And cause an unnecessary burden/hindrance/tax on productivity, advancing technologies and especially, thwart mass marketing and industrialization beyond geo-political boundaries.

Almost no one is immune from the rabbit-hole hoax of the authoritarians' rule. For every person has at least one, typically several pet beliefs that support a vested interest in the rabbit-hole.

One by one persons are journeying beyond political boundaries and the rabbit-hole. Most are unaware of their journey. The closer a person comes to eyeing the light at the end of the tunnel the more they acknowledge the rabbit whole they're escaping. The journey, the self-directed path they set for themselves becomes increasingly drawn before them by the facts of science, quickening advancement of new technologies and the businesses that push them beyond authoritarians' ability to thwart their progress.

All newer technologies are predicated on prior technologies. Sometimes older technologies become obsolete. Such as the plight of the buggy whip and the slide-rule. Usually what happens is the older paradigm gives way to an advanced technology paradigm. The computer is at the tail-end, the end of an S shaped wave. Ending the fifth paradigm as technology advances computers into their sixth paradigm. Cascading S waves are the path and trajectory of a specific advancing technology or information. 

A full treatment of the S-curve cascade and The Law of Accelerating Returns.

Leading the exponential explosion at the knee of the curve are nanotechnology, microbiology, genetics, robotics and AI (artificial intelligence).

"Exponential growth starts out slowly and virtually unnoticeable, but beyond the knee of the curve it turns explosive and profoundly transformative. My models show that we are doubling the paradigm-shift rate for technology innovation every decade. ...To express this another way, we won't experience 100 years of technology advance in the twenty-first century;  we will witness on the order of 20,000 years of progress (again, when measured by today's progress rate), or progress on a level of about 1,000 times greater than what was achieved in the twentieth century". -- The Singularity and Human Destiny, by Patrick Tucker, assistant editor, THE FUTURIST

If you're interested, two entertaining articles that explore possibilities and probabilities of living with future technologies. Utility Fog The Stuff that Dreams Are Made Of -- Sunrise run 

34 posted on 09/27/2006 10:18:56 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the ping. Great read--Finally someone is saying something sensical!

It was posted several times yesterday with some good comments, too.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=inhofe


35 posted on 09/27/2006 11:08:03 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: monday
BTW what happened to the hole in the ozone layer? It's gone. Wasn't that going to kill us all?

Your argument is great up to this point. Have you ever heard of the Montreal protocol? It is the international treaty (not so different from the Kyoto Protocol) that led the the gradual reduction and phasing out of ODP (Ozone depleting substances).

The whole inthe ozone layer is still there. Its growth has slowed and projections indicate the growth will stop and then reverse by 2040 when the problem will have been solved.

Unfortunately your mentioning of this totally contradicts your point. It was a manmade problem requiring global consensus and action. That happened, alternative technolgies made the costs negligible and the problem has been solved.

Of course Bush's corporate buddies still want to use bromine to as a peticide for strawberries. The Republican disdain or disregard for environmental issues is going to hurt the party real bad in the near future.

36 posted on 09/27/2006 11:41:26 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: sauropod

review


37 posted on 09/27/2006 11:51:38 AM PDT by sauropod ("Work as if you were to live 100 Years, Pray as if you were to die To-morrow." - Ben Franklin)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
"Have you ever heard of the Montreal protocol? It is the international treaty (not so different from the Kyoto Protocol) that led the the gradual reduction and phasing out of ODP (Ozone depleting substances). "

Only, you have no proof that the treaty is the reason the hole is gone. More likely is that it went away on it's own since developed countries are the only ones who adhered to the treaty and they only marginally.

"Your argument is great up to this point."

Thank you. I will assume you agree with my other points since you don't rebut them. BTW, did you read the article?
38 posted on 09/27/2006 12:33:04 PM PDT by monday
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Yeah, the man-made global warming issue (with mostly America to blame) is such a political winner for the left and such a loser for us that President Al Gore is now in his sixth year in office and the Republicans are completely out of power.

Oh, hold on a second...

39 posted on 09/27/2006 12:38:13 PM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

If you don't like conservatives, then leave this freakin website. There is no law here that states that we have to be kind to liberals such as yourself.


40 posted on 09/27/2006 12:40:57 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: ancient_geezer

The Climate Division of the Ministry of Truth continues to airbrush the Medieval Warm Period from the temperature record.


41 posted on 09/27/2006 1:20:14 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: poncho67

I guess banning DDT didn't kill enough people for the lefties.


42 posted on 09/27/2006 1:28:13 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I find it interesting that the debate has now shifted from "the climate isn't changing there is no proof" to "the climate always changes and man isn't responsible".

That's not as bad as "Global warming!, No. Ice age!, No Global Warming!, No. Climate Change! Quick, give me lots of money and I will make it stop!."

43 posted on 09/27/2006 2:03:39 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: poncho67; texianyankee; JayB; ElkGroveDan; markman46; palmer; Bahbah; Paradox; FOG724; ...
(((GLOBAL WARMING PING)))



You have been pinged because of your interest in environmentalism, alarmist wackos, mainstream media doomsday hype, and other issues pertaining to global warming.
Freep-mail me to get on or off: Add me / Remove me
Please ping me to all note-worthy threads on global warming.



I'll admit, I only skimmed it. Well, more than skimmed, perused. I fact-checked a couple of things, and it looks good. If anyone wants to disagree, let's discuss. But otherwise, it looks like a good resource.

Thanks to Rustbucket for the ping!
44 posted on 09/27/2006 2:29:33 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Lord, help me to be the Christian conservative that liberals fear I am.)
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To: Dan Evans
Indeed!!!

Thanks for the ping, Inhofe's statements hit the nail on the proverbial head.
45 posted on 09/27/2006 3:43:38 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It is the international treaty (not so different from the Kyoto Protocol) that led the the gradual reduction and phasing out of ODP (Ozone depleting substances).

There's no comparison between the two at all. The CO2-caused warmth is relatively slight versus the CFC's that were clearly linked to ozone depletion by rather precise measurements. If you are confident in the predictions of warming beyond the 1 degree C from increased CO2, then why don't we use those same models to determine the most cost effective solution to the warming? There are many possibilities such as aerosols which are much cheaper and much more precise cooling strategies if they are ultimately needed.

46 posted on 09/27/2006 5:28:46 PM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: editor-surveyor

Hell, I just wish it would quit raining. It would make fishing alot more fun.


47 posted on 09/27/2006 8:17:09 PM PDT by alaskanfan
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I'm sure that someone has challenged the data that there indeed is global warming. At the same time someone was saying that perhaps there is warming. Others have said that of course there is warming.

It's pretty simplistic, even straw-mannish, to say that each of these arguments has followed in a single-file line. Why would you set up a straw man?

48 posted on 09/27/2006 8:23:53 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: editor-surveyor
Sadly, it appears that reporting anecdotes and hearsay as fact, has now replaced the basic tenets of journalism for many media outlets.
On more than just global warming, to be sure.
49 posted on 09/28/2006 1:18:16 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I'll admit, I only skimmed it. Well, more than skimmed, perused. I fact-checked a couple of things, and it looks good. If anyone wants to disagree, let's discuss. But otherwise, it looks like a good resource.

Documenting and discussing all of the errors and misconceptions and strawmen in this speech would take 2-3 months of daily postings. It's typical Inhofe. I shudder in start amazement every time I read something like this from him.

For starters, RealClimate responded to a previous Inhofe statement with this article:

Senator Inhofe on Climate Change

It's illuminating.

50 posted on 09/28/2006 8:11:53 AM PDT by cogitator
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