Skip to comments.Excellent Rebuttal to Global Warming Alarmists
Posted on 09/27/2006 4:39:37 AM PDT by poncho67
Climate alarmists have been attempting to erase the inconvenient Medieval Warm Period from the Earths climate history for at least a decade. David Deming, an assistant professor at the University of Oklahomas College of Geosciences, can testify first hand about this effort. Dr. Deming was welcomed into the close-knit group of global warming believers after he published a paper in 1995 that noted some warming in the 20th century. Deming says he was subsequently contacted by a prominent global warming alarmist and told point blank We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period. When the Hockey Stick first appeared in 1998, it did just that.
(Excerpt) Read more at epw.senate.gov ...
Almost grasped that straw, but missed again.
We are blessed with the ability to adapt, and that's how the human race has survived both heat waves and blizzards, floods and droughts.
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That was excellent
Check this one out:
Every year I see variations in the seasons. I remember summers hotter than Hell as a Child. Every now and then during winter a storm dumps a lot of snow for me to shovel. Sea level is about where it was 50 years ago. Polar bears still live in the north. As a child we had yellow journalism spreading some lie. So what's new?
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Too bad we couldn't make stupidity fatal. We could clear the lot of these GW extremists out over night. It'd also help clear out 99% of the DNC...
Thanks for the ping! I'll want to look it over first, and I may have to stop before I can ping it, but if so, I'll get it later on today.
I find it interesting that the debate has now shifted from "the climate isn't changing there is no proof" to "the climate always changes and man isn't responsible".
I figure in about 12-18 months we will get "Humans are only causing a small fraction of the change, so there isn't much we can do".
Ultimately the right lets the left get to own this issue and loses big time as they implement wacky schemes to what is could easily be solved through obvious market mechanisms.
Insert head in sand. The consistently brilliant conservative strategy to having started out on the wrong side of an issue.
"I find it interesting that the debate has now shifted from "the climate isn't changing there is no proof" to "the climate always changes and man isn't responsible".
Where exactly did you get that?? Do you just make up bogus arguments as you go? Hmmm, nevermind, that is SOP for you wacko lefties.
Look back a few years (if not months) and you will see an awful lot of Freepers claiming that nothing is happening.
My favourite ones are those who like to expain how cold it was last winter. Even Rush was prone to some of that type of sophistry.
As far as the wacko left being all over this issue, of course they are. They have a winner and the right is just letting them take it.
Don't forget, the genesis of a proposition has no bearing on its truth.
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The sun is getting warmer as well as the earths core however we receive no information about that issue by the MSM.
Global warming propagandists habe been grasping and missing their straws consistantly, but they have the global propaganda ministry (the drive-by media) on their side all the way.
Ping the gang while you're at it! ;o)
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Thanks for the ping.
I just sent this link to a fellow conservative who was starting to weaken because of his wife a former hippy and her daughter.
Thanks for that link. Logical info there. :)
The arrogance of the global warming moonbats is appalling!!
I read it, liked it a lot and downloaded the whole speech to send to my daughter, a died-in- the-wool, liberal Global Warming alarmist. I learned from her that libs cannot stand to quietly discuss the issue and they refuse to read anything that proves that GW is a huge scam. Libs are the most closed-minded people I know and I'm sorry that my kid is one of them. It's not my fault! By the way, she's a Brit lib so she will not cancel my vote in our elections.
Yes -- it appears that alarmism has led to skepticism.
That's a good think. Skepticism of political alarmism is increasing people's skepticism of politicians and bureaucrats too, regardless of it applying to both sides of the aisle and all three branches of government. That too is a good thing. Ditto for state governments and their officials.
Breaking the cycles of media hysteria will not be easy since hysteria sells -- its very profitable. But I want to challenge the news media to reverse course and report on the objective science of climate change, to stop ignoring legitimate voices this scientific debate and to stop acting as a vehicle for unsubstantiated hype.
Agree. No reason to limit it to global warming or the environment. The power of the global warming hoax is that the idea of global warming has captured so many people's attention. It's not trivial. It's widespread and has cross pollinated beyond headlines, politics and education.
Breaking the cycles of
media politician&bureaucrat hysteria will not be easy since hysteria sells -- its very profitable. But I want to challenge the news media politicians&bureaucrats to reverse course and report on the objective science of climate change, to stop ignoring legitimate voices this scientific debate and to stop acting as a vehicle for unsubstantiated hype.
We're in the rabbit hole. Have been for 2400 years. Ever deeper the world population plummets to the authoritarians' cry that "we're doomed" Governments and religions leading the way.
Despite their cries of certain doom ever greater understandings of nature has lead to ever advancing technologies. Business has increasingly advanced and pushed new technologies in certain geo-political areas and some around the globe. Why are there geo-political boundaries at all hindering the mass-marketing of advanced technologies and industrialization? Welcome to the rabbit hole.
No we're not. Save for Islam-fascist terrorist that want to kill us all. "We", being the world population. Shortly, the 2400 legacy of authoritarianism will be obsolete. Science and business will push technologies beyond geo-political boundaries faster and further than politicians, bureaucrats and the media will be able to thwart.
Technology advances exponentially. We're at the beginning of the knee of the curve. Toward the future, noticeable, life-experiencing affects of rapidly advancing technologies will outpace and quickly race past politicians and bureaucrats abilities to write laws to curtail the inevitable doom they and the media proclaim from their authoritarian perches.
The federal government creates about 3,000 new laws and regulations each year. Each state creates about a third as many. All to supposedly save citizens and society from doom or the boogieman of the day. Despite a mountain of laws, which almost every person breaks more than just traffic laws several times each year, persons and society have increasingly prospered. Leastwise they have in the United States.
It seems obvious that all those must-have laws weren't must-have laws at all. They're unnecessary. And cause an unnecessary burden/hindrance/tax on productivity, advancing technologies and especially, thwart mass marketing and industrialization beyond geo-political boundaries.
Almost no one is immune from the rabbit-hole hoax of the authoritarians' rule. For every person has at least one, typically several pet beliefs that support a vested interest in the rabbit-hole.
One by one persons are journeying beyond political boundaries and the rabbit-hole. Most are unaware of their journey. The closer a person comes to eyeing the light at the end of the tunnel the more they acknowledge the rabbit whole they're escaping. The journey, the self-directed path they set for themselves becomes increasingly drawn before them by the facts of science, quickening advancement of new technologies and the businesses that push them beyond authoritarians' ability to thwart their progress.
All newer technologies are predicated on prior technologies. Sometimes older technologies become obsolete. Such as the plight of the buggy whip and the slide-rule. Usually what happens is the older paradigm gives way to an advanced technology paradigm. The computer is at the tail-end, the end of an S shaped wave. Ending the fifth paradigm as technology advances computers into their sixth paradigm. Cascading S waves are the path and trajectory of a specific advancing technology or information.
A full treatment of the S-curve cascade and The Law of Accelerating Returns.
Leading the exponential explosion at the knee of the curve are nanotechnology, microbiology, genetics, robotics and AI (artificial intelligence).
"Exponential growth starts out slowly and virtually unnoticeable, but beyond the knee of the curve it turns explosive and profoundly transformative. My models show that we are doubling the paradigm-shift rate for technology innovation every decade. ...To express this another way, we won't experience 100 years of technology advance in the twenty-first century; we will witness on the order of 20,000 years of progress (again, when measured by today's progress rate), or progress on a level of about 1,000 times greater than what was achieved in the twentieth century". -- The Singularity and Human Destiny, by Patrick Tucker, assistant editor, THE FUTURIST
Thanks for the ping. Great read--Finally someone is saying something sensical!
It was posted several times yesterday with some good comments, too.
Your argument is great up to this point. Have you ever heard of the Montreal protocol? It is the international treaty (not so different from the Kyoto Protocol) that led the the gradual reduction and phasing out of ODP (Ozone depleting substances).
The whole inthe ozone layer is still there. Its growth has slowed and projections indicate the growth will stop and then reverse by 2040 when the problem will have been solved.
Unfortunately your mentioning of this totally contradicts your point. It was a manmade problem requiring global consensus and action. That happened, alternative technolgies made the costs negligible and the problem has been solved.
Of course Bush's corporate buddies still want to use bromine to as a peticide for strawberries. The Republican disdain or disregard for environmental issues is going to hurt the party real bad in the near future.
Oh, hold on a second...
If you don't like conservatives, then leave this freakin website. There is no law here that states that we have to be kind to liberals such as yourself.
The Climate Division of the Ministry of Truth continues to airbrush the Medieval Warm Period from the temperature record.
I guess banning DDT didn't kill enough people for the lefties.
That's not as bad as "Global warming!, No. Ice age!, No Global Warming!, No. Climate Change! Quick, give me lots of money and I will make it stop!."
There's no comparison between the two at all. The CO2-caused warmth is relatively slight versus the CFC's that were clearly linked to ozone depletion by rather precise measurements. If you are confident in the predictions of warming beyond the 1 degree C from increased CO2, then why don't we use those same models to determine the most cost effective solution to the warming? There are many possibilities such as aerosols which are much cheaper and much more precise cooling strategies if they are ultimately needed.
Hell, I just wish it would quit raining. It would make fishing alot more fun.
It's pretty simplistic, even straw-mannish, to say that each of these arguments has followed in a single-file line. Why would you set up a straw man?
Documenting and discussing all of the errors and misconceptions and strawmen in this speech would take 2-3 months of daily postings. It's typical Inhofe. I shudder in start amazement every time I read something like this from him.
For starters, RealClimate responded to a previous Inhofe statement with this article:
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