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Remember the anthrax attack following 9/11?
The American Thinker ^ | 9-27-06 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 09/27/2006 4:55:59 AM PDT by Renfield

Remember the anthrax attack following 9/11?

Ray Robison does.

“There are two prevailing theories. One theory is that a US scientist did it. The other is that the Saddam regime of Iraq or another rogue government with anthrax capability gave anthrax to al-Qaeda. Other theories abound but I will limit the argument to the two theories that fit the facts best.

“Those who follow the news about the anthrax attack know that for years the FBI has been investigating American defense scientists. Let me be more specific. The FBI has been pursuing U.S. citizens with high level clearances, years of professional experience and demonstrated loyalty to this country. The FBI has found nothing.”

Ray finds a lot of problems with this theory. Then, there’s the alternative. Ray looks at it with logic and informed perspective, and finds it more probable that Saddam’s supply of weaponized anthrax was delivered by Al Qaeda. But, as he notes, a lot of people have made up their minds that no such collaboration existed.

“What does your common sense tell you? Most of my friends (usually military) at the time of the attacks believed the anthrax was a continuing, near simultaneous attack with the plane hijackings of 9/11. It seemed like a combined arms attack, a fundamental of modern warfare. Could it just be so simple that al Qaeda hit us not once, but twice in a week? And what would the effect of such a scenario be on an FBI charged with the domestic counterterrorism mission? Would a second al Qaeda attack rub salt on an already horrible wound? And wouldn’t it be better for the FBI if the second attack was done by a military scientist, thus the Department of Defense’s fault and not a subsequent FBI counterterrorism failure? There are still a lot of questions and for me the answer is and always will be that until I see the proof I will never believe an American scientist did this instead of al Qaeda. I just don’t believe it.”

Thomas Lifson 9 27 06


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Crime/Corruption; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; anthrax; atta; democratesdontcare; iraq; pakistan; saddam; terrorism; wmd; wot
I remember reading, back at the time, about evidence connecting a Pakistani in northern New Jersey to the anthrax attacks. The evidence against this fellow was much more compelling than that against David Hatfill, but the FBI didn't want to hear it.
1 posted on 09/27/2006 4:56:01 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

The first cases turned up ten miles down the road from where Atta and other 9-11 jackers were staying, and there is no other reasonable source for such stuff those guys would have had other than Saddam Hussein.


2 posted on 09/27/2006 5:00:53 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: LS; Peach

ping!


3 posted on 09/27/2006 5:04:54 AM PDT by Perdogg (If you stay home in November, you will elect Pelosi speaker)
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To: Renfield
I was living right next to Fort Detrick in Frederick, MD at the time where they were doing tests on the anthrax.
4 posted on 09/27/2006 5:08:46 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: tomzz

There are lots of sources now that it's official that the anthrax was not "weaponized". It was merely well grown, cleaned and ground.


5 posted on 09/27/2006 5:09:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Renfield

The woman who's husband died of it in SOuth Florida....is suing the government for $50 million dollars. Says it was there fault.


6 posted on 09/27/2006 5:10:20 AM PDT by Fawn (http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/toilet_obsession.html)
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To: muawiyah
It was not hardened against antibiotics but it was particalized so fine that it went through envelope paper as if it were not there. It was meant as a warning, i.e.

Hey, fools, some of my friends just knocked your two towers down and if you try to do anything about it, this is what could happen, ****-you, and have a nice day.

Saddam Hussein

Nobody else on the planet ever had an anthrax program that sophisticated.

7 posted on 09/27/2006 5:16:17 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: Renfield

My 5 year contract was cut short by 3 years as a direct result of these attacks (There was more than one antrhax attack). My company folded and ten people lost their jobs because of it.

Once a perp is identified, I intend to file for damages.

Keep in mind, the postal service has investigated anthrax threats for many years, but they almost always turned out fake. Until this one.


8 posted on 09/27/2006 5:19:20 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (Proud member of the radical Christian movement since January 22, 1984!)
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To: Renfield

I agree. I think it was a carefully planned death cultist who mailed the letters, then got on a plane out of the country.


9 posted on 09/27/2006 5:20:35 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: Renfield
That is what I always thought, that it was an al Qaeda operation.
10 posted on 09/27/2006 5:20:42 AM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: tomzz
BTW, the envelopes were covered in tape. Only enough paper was exposed to allow for a controlled release of a steady stream of anthrax powder over a reasonable period of time ~ and that would be from the time of mailing to a few days later.

Unfortunately for the attackers, they screwed up ~ the letters they so carefully mailed in Florida ended up in mail transport equipment (MTE) thought to be empty.

Rather than spreading anthrax spores through airport baggage and express operations, several airplanes, postal facilities and important government buildings, the letters got carried by ground transport and bypassed almost everything but 3 main postal facilities and a US Senate mailroom.

This attack was not a "warning" ~ it was a full scale attack against the main postal operations in the capital city of the United States of America, the Congress, and the main baggage and express operations in New York City, and Washington DC.

It's roughly the equivalent of a severing of the head!

11 posted on 09/27/2006 5:23:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sensei Ern

I thought I read that we originally got Saddam started with some anthrax during the Iran-Iraq war. If that is true, Saddam's anthrax would have a USA signature. So, if we gave it to Saddam, Saddam could have conducted the attack with our own anthrax and it would have been traced back to our own supply.


12 posted on 09/27/2006 5:35:38 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (If you speak against your own, you have chosen the wrong side.)
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To: cgk; Shermy; TrebleRebel; Mitchell; oceanview; Peach

ping


13 posted on 09/27/2006 5:35:52 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: muawiyah
The question is, why was that anthrax attack a one-time bad deal? We responded to 9/11 by overthrowing the Taliban in Afghanistan and (IMHO) we responded to the anthrax attacks by invading Iraq. Why was it possible to attack us once but not again?

14 posted on 09/27/2006 5:38:06 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Renfield

I doubt the DIRECT involvement of al Qaeda or Iraq...notwithstanding the "Death to Israel", "Death to America", and "Allah is Great" at the end of the letters.

Those phrases are pretty much "standard" Left Coast rhetoric: the kind you'll see on signs in San Francisco,etc.

I've read the FBI microbiology (David Beecher's)report, and it is clear there was no "additive": just very fine particle size-obtainable in a flash dryer,or (perhaps) a bead grinder.

I always THOUGHT clumping would keep the stuff from being effective, and that is true if you are talking about a battlefield weapon, but fine powders will aerosolize when disturbed by air currents.

I'm sure most mailrooms - especially in Florida- had AC running - or fans, at the very least.

Beecher cited one case in his report, in which overseas researchers carelessly dropped a little piece of infected brain tissue on steps. Ordinary foot traffic ground it fine enough to disperse,and to contaminate a large area.


15 posted on 09/27/2006 5:51:48 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: Renfield
And the problem with MOST of these theories, including the author's, is that they try to make the two mutually exclusive.

My theory all along is that Hatfill somehow was compromised to SUPPLY Al-Qaeda or whoever---maybe even unknowingly or indirectly. It's just too convenient that the attacks ended the minute he became the target. Al-Qaeda continued to function in the U.S. (as seen in the Buffalo stings) well after 9/11.

16 posted on 09/27/2006 5:53:30 AM PDT by LS
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To: Renfield

Does anyone besides me remember a National Enquirer feature just days after 9/11 tell all by a woman who had been in the sack with OBL? I remember she insulted his size, insulted his entire performance. It was hilarious at the time, but I've always wondered if that could have triggered the attacks.


17 posted on 09/27/2006 6:03:34 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: Kerretarded

"I thought I read that we originally got Saddam started with some anthrax during the Iran-Iraq war. If that is true, Saddam's anthrax would have a USA signature. So, if we gave it to Saddam, Saddam could have conducted the attack with our own anthrax and it would have been traced back to our own supply."

Nope, anthrax occurs all over the world. We diagnose cases in livestock in several US states every year and the same can be said in other countries. This was not an unusual anthrax strain but one found in multiple locations throughout the world. Nevertheless, I see Al Qaeda fingerprints all over the human targets on the basis of common sense. Just as a side note--the head of Saddam's bioweapons program did her graduate work at the University of Missouri.


18 posted on 09/27/2006 6:39:56 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: Renfield

The anthrax strain was a highly weaponized one.

The only possibilities that make sense is that a person in the military/industrial complex wanted to wake us up to the threat; or,

Saddam gave a very small sample to al-Qaeda and he decided to not give them any more after the US starting beating the war drum against Iraq as well as Afghanistan.


19 posted on 09/27/2006 6:49:12 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: tomzz

The letters were postmarked a week after 9/11, and the location where the hijackers trained was already reported in the news by then - the National Enquirer letter seems to me an attempt to create a false geographic link to the hijackers.

There's so much people just dance around or ignore - like why Daschle and Leahy, of all people, are the governmnental figures singled out for animus by Al Queda or Iraq, in the second set of attacks.


20 posted on 09/27/2006 7:00:35 AM PDT by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: JustDoItAlways
The anthrax attacks probably produced the most "public knowledge" of our defenses against attacks of this nature at a tremendous cost.

I believe that was its purpose. The targets were obviously going to make the news.

How is it that they even discovered it was anthrax for Stevens EXCEPT that the other letters had been received. I think we're missing a piece.

21 posted on 09/27/2006 7:10:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Strategerist

The attacks must have been planned for some time and weren't just some spur of the moment. There must have been one real target and the other targets were just red herrings IMO.


22 posted on 09/27/2006 8:34:54 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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To: Kerretarded
If that is true, Saddam's anthrax would have a USA signature.

The Ames strain was provided to Iraq as part of a then routine exchange between agricultural schools -- anthrax was generally considered a veterinary medicine issue.

23 posted on 09/27/2006 8:52:52 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Kerretarded
No one has to "start" anyone with anthrax. It's as simple as finding a dead cow in the field.

And the US didn't supply Saddam with anything other than some relatively low level intelligence (by our standards) concerning the location of the Iranian military.

24 posted on 09/27/2006 9:20:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
The reasons for the anthrax attack having happened only one time are:

(1) The personnel trained to carry out the attack died in the airplanes on 9/11

(2) It didn't start on time ~ like they'd thought. The attackers imagined hundreds of thousands of people throughout the country coming down with pulminary anthrax shortly after the WTC and DC (Pentagon) attacks. Obviously it's not the sort of thing that creates very much of a dramatic flourish.

(3) Although there was widespread exposure to anthrax, only a small fraction of those exposed got sick, and even fewer died. Unexpectedly (to everyone) Cipro "cures" the condition if you catch it in time.

(4) If there's been another attack using the USPS as a vehicle, you haven't been told about it, and the anthrax (and lebenteenzillion other germs and poisons) were detected in a timely matter by special equipment installed in postal facilities since 9/11.

25 posted on 09/27/2006 9:25:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sensei Ern
This was the ONLY anthrax attack that actually used anthrax. There have been other fake attacks, one of them actually mounted by Clayton Lee Waagner, using BT, and threatening language in xeroxed letters.

He sent his stuff to Planned Parenthood ~ they complained ~ he got prosecuted.

One of the largest fake attacks, amounting to hundreds of thousands of letters, was actually carried out by Planned Parenthood against its own donors, practitioners, and victims.

Fortunately it was stopped in time to prevent widespread panic ~ no one was prosecuted ~ presumably they're being protected by the Gonzales Justice Department, but this case should be readdressed and people sent to jail for a long time.

26 posted on 09/27/2006 9:35:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JustDoItAlways
Alas, this latest report from the FBI is that the anthrax wasn't weaponized at all ~ just that it was very clean (with little debris left from growing it), and very finely ground.

You could do it at home.

27 posted on 09/27/2006 9:38:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
One of the largest fake attacks, amounting to hundreds of thousands of letters, was actually carried out by Planned Parenthood against its own donors, practitioners, and victims.

That sounds like a URL I need to have...please advise...
28 posted on 09/27/2006 9:44:39 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Strategerist
The date the letters were postmarked is the date they entered the 010 operation at a postal facility in New Jersey.

One of the victims reports that she received such a letter by September 18, just a week later, and during a period when no First Class Mail was being carried by air.

All the mailpieces could have been dropped in mail collection boxes in Boca Raton, Florida on the evening of September 7 or 8, and been "lost in the mail". (I've explained how this can be a normal experience for single-piece rate First-Class Mail letters weighing one ounce or less many times).

They would then travel by truck to Philadelphia BMC, and from there to a major mailer in the Trenton area.

These letters would be found during the course of operations during the week of September 10-14, and September 17-21, and dispatched out with non-presorted First-Class Mail from the mailer's plant to the nearest USPS MPC. They would have been canceled and sent through the system.

This backdoor route would successfully avoid contaminating postal equipment between West Palm Beach facility and the destination points (addresses) except for one letter which was delivered to an individual at American Publishing (National Enquirer, Star, etc.). That one was dropped in the inside letter mail drop at the Boca Raton post office, most likely while the attackers purchased an additional half dozen postage embossed envelopes from an afterhours vending machine.

29 posted on 09/27/2006 9:46:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: beezdotcom
I went looking for it ~ I remember having commented on it in several spots. It's back in 2001 I believe.

Apparantly someone at Planned Parenthood thought it would be useful to INFORM their crowd of how dangerous anthrax could be by sending them what amounted to a fake anthrax attack ~ just to wake them up you know.

Of course that would have inspired wholesale panic particularly since Waggener was busy doing the same thing himself.

I still think someone at PP needs to spend a long time in jail for it.

30 posted on 09/27/2006 10:02:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

yes, but in whose home was the lab? if AQ made this stuff inside the US - where is their lab?


31 posted on 09/27/2006 10:54:02 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
Where was the lab?

Who said it took a laboratory to grow it ~ dead cows in the field can do the job.

32 posted on 09/27/2006 10:57:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

it had to be milled, needed dryers, it didn't "come from the field".


33 posted on 09/27/2006 11:00:28 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
Do it in the kitchen ~ put up 8 mil plastic curtains, seal them with duct-tape ~ you know, just like you were advised to do in case of a bio or chemical attack.

Works both ways.

34 posted on 09/27/2006 11:09:22 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

What you say makes sense.


35 posted on 09/27/2006 12:50:51 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: muawiyah; Kerretarded
1985 : (LAST SHIPMENT OF BIOLOGICAL AGENTS FROM FRANCE TO IRAQ) PARIS (Reuters) - French officials on Monday dismissed suggestions that Paris had knowingly helped Iraq obtain biological weapons, but conceded Baghdad may have had ulterior motives for scientific cooperation dating back two decades. The New York Times reported that Iraq had identified a Virginia-based biofirm and France's prestigious Pasteur Institute as suppliers of 17 types of biological agents that were used in weapons programs. The Pasteur Institute told Reuters it had helped Iraq work on anthrax and other dangerous bacteria in the 1980s -- in purely scientific and educational research -- but said the last shipment of material had been transferred around 1985. -"France...the excuses are starting!," Reuters, via http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=030317&cat=news&st=newsiraqfranceweaponsdc
36 posted on 09/27/2006 1:02:35 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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MAY 12, 2003 : (REPORT: MOBILE LABS FOUND IN NORTHERN IRAQ NEAR MOSUL ) MOSUL DISCOVERY : Meanwhile, U.S. officials said the mobile laboratories were found at a bombed-out rocket and missile factory near Mosul in northern Iraq. One of the trailers was missing its canvas cover, wheels and plumbing — most likely taken by looters — but the essential parts, including a compressor and dryer needed to produce weapons grade anthrax, were intact. ---- "REPORT: "Dr. Germ" now in U.S. custody - U.S. says ‘Dr. Germ’ surrendered in Baghdad; Iraqi scientist conducted research that led to bioweapons, U.S. says ," by Miklaszewski, Tammy Kupperman, Robert Windrem, AP & Reuters staff, MSNBC NewsAlert, May 12, 2003
37 posted on 09/27/2006 1:17:03 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Sensei Ern

It will be hard for you to file for damages from Saddam. His wealth is gone and his life will be too.


38 posted on 09/27/2006 6:11:02 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: piasa

SPEAKING OF MOSUL:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1134467/posts


39 posted on 06/08/2008 9:56:27 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: tomzz
The first cases turned up ten miles down the road from where Atta and other 9-11 jackers were staying, and there is no other reasonable source for such stuff those guys would have had other than Saddam Hussein.

I disagree with the "no other reasonable source" part. There are literally tens of other possible sources, if you count governments and agencies within governments separately.

40 posted on 06/08/2008 10:01:36 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: steve86

Old thread.


41 posted on 06/08/2008 10:02:20 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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1988 : (IRAQI SCIENTISTS NASSIR HINDAWI & ABDUL RAHMAN THAMER TRY TO ACQUITE THE AMES STRAIN FROM THE UK’s PORTON DOWN) Also, top Iraqi scientists Nassir Hindawi and Abdul Rahman Thamer first tried to acquire a sample of the Ames strain from Porton Down in 1988. They were turned down, but over the next two years they did manage to purchase an enormous quantity of anthrax-ready biological growth medium from a British commercial supplier. And nine other strains of anthracis from the Institut Pasteur and an American company now located in Manassas, Virginia. And at least two variants of the intensely pathogenic Vollum strain from...who knows where, and in addition to who knows what else. ————http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/669487/posts


42 posted on 06/08/2008 10:20:23 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: steve86

Yep, very old... every so often I run onto an old thread and update it if I have anything in the files to add.


43 posted on 06/08/2008 10:22:43 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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