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Why Darwinism Is Doomed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 09/27/2006 | Jonathan Wells

Posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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1 posted on 09/27/2006 9:56:10 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
Uh oh. An evolution thread. We know what this means.

Dun dun dun, dun dun-dun, dun dun dun, dun dun-dun, dun dun dun, dun dun-dun

MORTAL KOMBAT!

2 posted on 09/27/2006 9:59:09 AM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: Gordongekko909

Darwin wins!

Flawless Victory!


3 posted on 09/27/2006 10:01:22 AM PDT by TOWER
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To: SirLinksalot

These creationist goons make thinking conservatives look bad.

If anyone does not believe in Darwinism, i'll take them on a tour in the Museum of Natural History and explain it.


4 posted on 09/27/2006 10:01:32 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: PatrickHenry
Breathtaking simple-mindedness ping.
5 posted on 09/27/2006 10:02:23 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry

"Evolution is doomed" ping


6 posted on 09/27/2006 10:02:24 AM PDT by indcons
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To: Gordongekko909
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7 posted on 09/27/2006 10:02:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: SirLinksalot

Bump.


8 posted on 09/27/2006 10:03:28 AM PDT by balch3
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To: finnman69

You'll find it's much busier and more crowded now that the Museum of American History is closed for two years ~ lunch will be real trouble.


9 posted on 09/27/2006 10:03:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SirLinksalot

"Darwinism teaches that we are accidental byproducts of purposeless natural processes that had no need for God,..."

"Darwinism" teaches nothing of the sort. Evolution is an explanation of, to be brief, how we got here. It describes a theorized mechanism, one which is perfectly compatible with Christianity.


10 posted on 09/27/2006 10:05:29 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thread not starting out in Smoky Backroom placemarker : )


11 posted on 09/27/2006 10:05:54 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: SirLinksalot

OHHH JESUSTH CHRISTH! JESUSTH CHRISTH!

12 posted on 09/27/2006 10:06:09 AM PDT by Al Simmons (I am sorely AFFECTED by the social EFFECT of people's confusion over these two simple words..)
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To: Physicist; indcons

Thank you for the pings, gentlemen. In accordance with my long-standing policy, I won't disturb the evolution ping list for a nonsensical creationist article. This thread is an embarrassment to conservatism.


13 posted on 09/27/2006 10:06:11 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (When the Inquisition comes, you may be the rackee, not the rackor.)
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To: SirLinksalot

Berkeley biology and Yale theology. God help us.

At least he's not an ethicist.


14 posted on 09/27/2006 10:06:38 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (If the "enemy of your enemy" is Ghengis Khan, Ghengis Khan is not your friend.)
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To: Buck W.

Did you read the article? Note this paragraph:

The issue here is not "evolution" – a broad term that can mean simply change within existing species (which no one doubts). The issue is Darwinism – which claims that all living things are descended from a common ancestor, modified by natural selection acting on random genetic mutations.

Darwinism is absolutely not compatible with Scriptural Christianity.

That said, you're free to believe what you want.


15 posted on 09/27/2006 10:07:16 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: finnman69
Some here at FR once chided me calling purveyors of ID and Creationism ignorant. I answered thus.

No, I consider ignorance throwing out the FACTS of science. One can believe in the creation of the universe by a creator..the same creator who made the 'soul' of man in his own image and likeness, without throwing out the science of the universe. You see by throwing out the science...your questioning Gods motives, techniques and you are not living up to his expectations of the inquisitive sentient being he breathed life into.

16 posted on 09/27/2006 10:07:24 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SirLinksalot

Moonbats on both sides, I see. Oh well, I can live with ours.


17 posted on 09/27/2006 10:07:44 AM PDT by Paradox (American Conservatives: Keeping the world safe for Liberalism.)
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To: SirLinksalot
Evolution and Faith are neither enemies nor mutually exclusive - they are different discliplines addressing different aspects of human existence and thought.

'Flat-earth', er... 'Young-earth' Creationists are (in my opinion) fools who are either too daft to understand the principle of evidence gathering and logical analysis, or who have willfully chosen to ignore scientific evidence owing usually to acceptance at an early age of a clearly erroneous, rote religious dogma.

18 posted on 09/27/2006 10:07:59 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Holocaust deniers and other anti-semites are the lowest form of human scum.)
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To: SirLinksalot
The truth is Darwinism is not a scientific theory, but a materialistic creation myth masquerading as science. It is first and foremost a weapon against religion – especially traditional Christianity.

It's interesting to see someone with a PhD in Biology take this approach.

19 posted on 09/27/2006 10:09:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: SirLinksalot
If I were a Darwinist, I would be afraid. Very afraid.

If I was silly enough to believe this article, I would be afraid, very afraid.

20 posted on 09/27/2006 10:09:25 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Vaquero

That was well put and I can agree with that. I'm not an atheist, but I am not religious. However, I have respect for religion, but not if it throws out the 'facts of science' as you eloquently stated your position.


21 posted on 09/27/2006 10:10:09 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Ducking...

22 posted on 09/27/2006 10:11:06 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: Gordongekko909

Evolution happens...


23 posted on 09/27/2006 10:12:25 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: finnman69

>>>If anyone does not believe in Darwinism, i'll take them on a tour in the Museum of Natural History and explain it.>>>

"According to Darwinists, there is such overwhelming evidence for their view that it should be considered a fact."

It's true cause I said so! Right?


24 posted on 09/27/2006 10:13:53 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: Theo

Oh, puh-leeze. This is a bit of semantic obfuscation that would make Bill Clinton blush scarlet.


25 posted on 09/27/2006 10:15:02 AM PDT by steve-b (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.)
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To: oldleft

I don't think every creationist believes the earth is 10,000 years old.


26 posted on 09/27/2006 10:15:30 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: Buck W.

>>"Darwinism teaches that we are accidental byproducts of purposeless natural processes that had no need for God,..."

"Darwinism" teaches nothing of the sort. Evolution is an explanation of, to be brief, how we got here. It describes a theorized mechanism, one which is perfectly compatible with Christianity.<<

For crying out loud, quit mincing words, With the exception of your first sentence and your last "compatibility" remark, you are saying the same thing thw quotes says. Read the actual words in what you quoted.

And Darwinism is pretty much dead. Those that never believed it in school, yet were not religious, would be what we call "skeptics". Those who did believe it, hook, line and sinker are what we call "lemmings".

It is good to ask questions. Many of the "anti-evolution" books are written by men who never got straight answers from their biology professors regarding evolution as it relates to science and decided to find out for themselves, resulting in the books they wrote.


27 posted on 09/27/2006 10:15:57 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Right Wing Professor; DoctorMichael; sinkspur; bornacatholic; VadeRetro; ahayes; ...
OK. You asked for a fight? I'll GIVE you a fight!!!

*CREVO FLYING BRICKBAT PING!!

28 posted on 09/27/2006 10:16:13 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Holocaust deniers and other anti-semites are the lowest form of human scum.)
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To: finnman69
"These creationist goons make thinking conservatives look bad. "

And you must be one of the "thinking conservatives" who wants to stop any and all thinking in school other than that we have a great great ...grandfather that was an amoebas. (and what about the other amoebas that didn't become "thinking conservatives" such as yourself)
29 posted on 09/27/2006 10:16:20 AM PDT by razzle
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To: SirLinksalot
So after 150 years, Darwinists are still looking for evidence – any evidence, no matter how skimpy – to justify their speculations.

Actually, they're not. They're trying to nail down the difficult relationships using the new genetic tools. As in, how many phyla of animals are there?

That's what makes the creationists' story line so difficult to maintain. Facts just aren't relevant to creationists. They'll still be writing this story 100 years from now, 1000 years from now, and 10,000 years from now.

After that, no one will remember what the argument was about.

30 posted on 09/27/2006 10:16:31 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Theo
"Did you read the article? "

Yes. However, your reference to Scriptural Christianity is the issue, not Darwinism. Decendence from a common ancestor is perfectly compatible with Christianity. However, this is not true if one holds to the literal inerrancy of the Bible.
31 posted on 09/27/2006 10:17:02 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: finnman69

Well, even Darwinism predicts that Darwinism is doomed. People who believe in creation are against abortion in far higher numbers than people who believe in evolution. Therefore, creationists' children are not aborted, while Darwinist babies get killed. Even a 1% lower birth rate mathmatically dooms a pool of genes over many generations... Therefore, if Darwinism is true it predicts that it's own adherents will be squeezed out of the gene pool eventually. If Darwinism is not true, it will eventually be proven false, also reducing its adherents. Either way it is doomed insofar as being the majority view.


32 posted on 09/27/2006 10:17:07 AM PDT by drangundsturm
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To: sandbar
I don't think every creationist believes the earth is 10,000 years old.

You're right. A lot of them prefer a date much closer to 6,000 years.

33 posted on 09/27/2006 10:17:10 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Al Simmons
We already dismissed the "young earth" crowd the other day through the simple expedient of demonstrating that a story that allegedly took place in Abraham's life is measurably in excess of 7,000 years.

The "young earth" crowd only give the Earth 5,100 years based on their error filled analysis of Bible stories.

They don't count, and their use as a "straw man" is ridiculous.

34 posted on 09/27/2006 10:17:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sandbar
It was a joke...may biblical literalists do believe that.
35 posted on 09/27/2006 10:18:04 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: SirLinksalot
Darwinism teaches that we are accidental byproducts of purposeless natural processes that had no need for God

Here we go again... :( The earth is at the center of the universe. Spontaneous generation creates rats. Anyone who disagrees with these things is a liberal atheist. Why science itself is liberal! Let's just abandon all science, live in huts, and ignore any challenge to our orthodoxy.

Good heavens, it's 2006, and we're still debating if evolution is real. Sad but true. And for the record, I am a staunch Christian.

36 posted on 09/27/2006 10:18:13 AM PDT by adam_smith_76
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To: sandbar

The "young earth" crowd only give it about 5,100 years, not 10,000.


37 posted on 09/27/2006 10:18:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: drangundsturm
It doesn't quite work that way.

BTW, did you perchance think of the devastating effect on young people's religious faith that finding out that they have been sold a bunch of *BS* masquerading as science?

WELL, DID YOU???

Didn't think so.

38 posted on 09/27/2006 10:19:00 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Personal Relationship w/God = Mind Control technique designed in part to block critical thought)
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To: oldleft

The people you're talking about believe that it's about 5,100 years, far short of 10,000.


39 posted on 09/27/2006 10:20:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: finnman69
A creationist goons very rarely hold "a Ph.D. in biology from the University of California at Berkeley and a Ph.D. in theology from Yale University".

Thanks for the tour offer, but I'll pass.

40 posted on 09/27/2006 10:21:49 AM PDT by skeptoid (BS, AE, AA)
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To: drangundsturm
Well, even Darwinism predicts that Darwinism is doomed. People who believe in creation are against abortion in far higher numbers than people who believe in evolution. Therefore, creationists' children are not aborted, while Darwinist babies get killed. Even a 1% lower birth rate mathmatically dooms a pool of genes over many generations... Therefore, if Darwinism is true it predicts that it's own adherents will be squeezed out of the gene pool eventually.

If "Darwinism" was biologically inherited that might be the case. It is not. It is a scientific field.

Nice try though.

41 posted on 09/27/2006 10:22:01 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: RobRoy

I'm not mincing words, and I don't understand your point.


42 posted on 09/27/2006 10:22:09 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: adam_smith_76
BTW, the question of where the "center of the universe" might be remains open. After all, you don't know where the center is if you don't know how it's shaped.

As a practical matter you can imagine that you are at the center and move out from there. The mathematics involved supports that and numerous other conjectures.

I'm still waiting to see if they've finally disproven that it's actually shaped like a dodecahedron.

43 posted on 09/27/2006 10:22:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Buck W.

... help me here...

You see evolution as compatible with Christianity, but not if you believe what the Bible says?

I've always thought that the Bible was the basis of Christianity.

Is there another basis I missed in my thought process?

thanks,
ampu


44 posted on 09/27/2006 10:23:21 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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To: SirLinksalot
[Sun Myung Moon]'s words, my studies, and my prayers convinced me that I should devote my life to destroying Darwinism -- Jonathan Wells


45 posted on 09/27/2006 10:23:50 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

"You see evolution as compatible with Christianity, but not if you believe what the Bible says?"

First, tell me what the Bible says.


46 posted on 09/27/2006 10:24:42 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: SirLinksalot
[ Why Darwinism Is Doomed ]

That WON'T happen until Jesus comes back really really pissed off..
Its THEN the dialectic backstroke will start..

47 posted on 09/27/2006 10:24:52 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: Theo
The rest of the statement: That said, you're free to believe what you want, to your own peril.
48 posted on 09/27/2006 10:25:01 AM PDT by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: SirLinksalot
The truth is Darwinism is not a scientific theory, but a materialistic creation myth masquerading as science. It is first and foremost a weapon against religion – especially traditional Christianity. Evidence is brought in afterwards, as window dressing.

And there you have it. Darwin was not a scientist, but an atheist bent on the destruction of all religion masquerading as a scientist.

49 posted on 09/27/2006 10:25:07 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: George W. Bush

Not sure if this topic is of interest to you, but with your natural, *AHEM*, cantankerousness, I am certain you could make a contribution to this developing donnybrook!!


50 posted on 09/27/2006 10:25:08 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Personal Relationship w/God = Mind Control technique designed in part to block critical thought)
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