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Moveon.org Folks Use USS Cole as Straw Man
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Posted on 09/27/2006 12:17:59 PM PDT by LSUfan

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To: Petronski

I love us, don't you? We know EVERYTHING......or at least we can refute it, right? :-)


21 posted on 09/27/2006 12:43:09 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: LSUfan
The real question for Clinton and Richard Clarke -- who allowed the USS COLE to go to a terrorist haven over the objections of the Ambassador at the time who said the threat was too high?

If they left it to General Zinni of CENTCOM, an idiot who just wanted to bolster his influence in the region, that just shows how ineffectual Richard Clarke was and how Clinton was NOT INVOLVED in an anti-terror strategy.
22 posted on 09/27/2006 12:44:03 PM PDT by detch
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To: LSUfan
"The USS Cole was bombed on 12 October 2000. Clinton had over 4 months to respond,..."

Actually Clinton DID respond, after three months of agoniizing, he went ahead and pardoned an entire team of TERRORISTS.

23 posted on 09/27/2006 12:46:28 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army vet, Army dad)
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To: LSUfan
If terrorism was so high on Slick's list, why did he not meet personally with the Director of the CIA?

Did he meet him once or not at all? I forget?

24 posted on 09/27/2006 12:47:02 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Howlin
I pinged you specifically because I know you excel in that regard.
25 posted on 09/27/2006 12:47:34 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: LSUfan
1. The USS Cole was bombed on 12 October 2000. Clinton had over 4 months to respond...

Most of what the moveon.org poster wrote is not even related to the core question - was the matter of the USS Cole being brought up by Chris Wallace a straw man.

The question to ask is - did President Clinton and his administration have sufficent intelligence information to determine the sources responsible for the USS Cole bombing?

And once that question is answered, the next question is - when was the appropriate time to respond either in a military or otehr fashion to the bombing?

I'll do some research, but leaving it to the next administration to deal with would seem to be an artificial break-point. Why would they do that? Wasn't the plan to fight terrorism robust enough to transcend a change in administration?

26 posted on 09/27/2006 12:47:43 PM PDT by Fury
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To: Al Gator

Recall too that the left/media had criticized Bush for announcing his proposed cabinet appoitments before the courts had settled the ballot issue.

They said it was "too soon" to make such decisions. The handover was NOT peaceful. The Democrats did not want to leave. It was a shameful betrayal to the most sacred tradition in this country, the peaceful exchange of power.


27 posted on 09/27/2006 12:48:48 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: LSUfan

About the time of the USS Cole suicide bombing attack Slick Willie was extremely busy with higher priorities, namely peddling pardons to high-rolling felons who were willing to contribute megabucks to his library.


28 posted on 09/27/2006 12:49:06 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: Petronski

From powerlineblog:

On page 234 of "Against All Enemies," Clarke writes:

"I had completed the review of the organizational options for homeland defense and critical infrastructure protection that Rice had asked me to conduct. There was agreement to create a separate, senior White House position for Critical Infrastructure Protection and Cyber Security, outside of the NSC Staff. Condi Rice and Steve Hadley assumed that I would continue on the NSC focusing on terrorism and asked whom I had in mind for the new job that would be created outside the NSC. I requested that I be given that assignment, to the apparent surprise of Condi Rice and Steve Hadley."

If Clarke was demoted, he requested the demotion.

Clinton also seems to imply that Clarke was "demoted" prior to 9/11. However, on page 239 of Against All Enemies, Clarke writes the following:

"Roger Cressey, my deputy at the NSC Staff, came to me in early October, after the time that I had intended to switch from the terrorism job to Critical Infrastructure Protection and Cyber Security. The switch had been delayed by September 11."

In other words, the Bush administration kept Clarke at NSC beyond the period Clarke had planned on being there.

In a footnote on page 240, Clarke makes it clear that he left the administration under his own volition:

"Cressey and I did spend over a year working on the cyber security problem, producing Bush's National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace, and then quit the Administration altogether."


29 posted on 09/27/2006 12:51:06 PM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: LSUfan
Rember the airplane that crashed into the south lawn of the White House in 1994? HERE.

Remember the joke at the time that it was probably just CIA Director James Woosley trying to get an appointment to see Clinton? Recall that Clinton met with the CIA director only 2 times in his first 4 years in office! That's how much terrorism and bin Laden were a priority to him!

30 posted on 09/27/2006 12:51:53 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Howlin
I guess they figure that since Bush avenged the 1993 WTC bombing, the African embassy bombings, and etc. that he should have also avenged the Cole. I argue that he did.
31 posted on 09/27/2006 12:52:50 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.)
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To: lowbridge
Thanks a lot! THIS is the quote I saw earlier this week:

Condi Rice and Steve Hadley assumed that I would continue on the NSC focusing on terrorism and asked whom I had in mind for the new job that would be created outside the NSC. I requested that I be given that assignment, to the apparent surprise of Condi Rice and Steve Hadley.

32 posted on 09/27/2006 12:53:06 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: TexasCajun
If terrorism was so high on Slick's list, why did he not meet personally with the Director of the CIA?

Did he meet him once or not at all? I forget?

Good question. I don't know, either, but, hell, the guy hardly ever met with his own freaking cabinet. What was their average meeting frequency, something like every 4 or 5 months? I guess he did trot some of them outside on the WH lawn to validate his lying after that one finger-wagging news conference when the Lewinsky issue was brought up.

33 posted on 09/27/2006 12:55:28 PM PDT by chimera
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To: Old Grumpy

"EXACTLY. It happened while Slick was in office. Their statement makes as much sense as Kerry referring to Viet Nam as "Nixon's War.""

More along the lines of Nixon sending Kerry to Cambodia Christmas of 68. Since Nixon didn't take office until January 69.


34 posted on 09/27/2006 12:57:39 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Freedom by its nature cannot be imposed, it must be chosen")
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To: Petronski

So do you!


35 posted on 09/27/2006 12:59:13 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Howlin
Well, let's not get maudlin...






;O)

36 posted on 09/27/2006 1:01:04 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: LSUfan

The CIA used drones and missles to kill the suspects involved in bombing the Cole...this was done under the current Bush aministrations watch:)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-11-04-yemen-side-usat_x.htm?POE=click-refer


37 posted on 09/27/2006 1:03:16 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: Howlin

Frankly, I am annoyed by this full court effort to get us thinking about 2001. To me it is wag the dog redux. The visits of three heads of state in Washington this week and the dinner tonight with Karsai and Mushareff at the White House testify to how much has been done to improve relations since 2001. Allbright couldn't even figure out who to call when she wanted to warn Pakistan about incoming cruise missles. Now the president of Pakistan collaborates with Britain and US to break the 10 airliner plot and publically refers to Bush as his friend.


38 posted on 09/27/2006 1:04:26 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: LSUfan

Since GWB actually DID do something about avenging the USS Cole:



Sources: U.S. kills Cole suspect
CIA drone launched missile
Tuesday, November 5, 2002 Posted: 12:17 PM EST (1717 GMT)

CNN's David Ensor says a U.S. rocket hit a car carrying al Qaeda's chief in Yemen, wanted for the bombing of the USS Cole (November 4)


SANAA, Yemen (CNN) -- Six suspected al Qaeda members -- including an al Qaeda chief wanted in the bombing of the USS Cole -- were killed early Monday in Yemen when a CIA drone launched a "Hellfire" missile and struck the car they were traveling in, sources told CNN.

It was the first direct U.S. strike against Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network outside Afghanistan since the U.S.-led war on terrorism began after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Officials with the Central Intelligence Agency and Pentagon refused to discuss the report.

The sources who spoke to CNN said the Hellfire missile was launched from an unmanned Predator aerial vehicle. All six people in the car died, they said. (More on Predator)

Video from the scene in Yemen's oil rich Marib province showed the car blown apart, with most of it reduced to black ash in the desert.

Sources identified one of the dead as Abu Ali, also known as Qaed Senyan al-Harthi, a former bin Laden security guard who was believed to have played a major role in the October 2000 attack on the destroyer Cole that killed 17 sailors.

Walid Al-Saqqaf, managing editor of the Yemen Times, told CNN that Ali was identified by a mark on his leg, which was blown off in the blast and found nearby.

He said Ali, who has been on the run and was believed to be harbored by tribesmen, has been the source of a massive hunt by security forces in Yemen. An attempt to capture him late last year failed. That botched attempt left more than a dozen security forces dead.

About 50 U.S. Special Forces troops have been in the country training Yemeni security forces. There was no immediate indication they took part in the strike.

During a campaign rally in Arkansas, President Bush did not comment directly on the incident in Yemen but said the United States is pursuing "international killers."

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...Bill Clinton's famous "memory" must have "failed".

Imagine that...


39 posted on 09/27/2006 1:14:58 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: LSUfan

If Osama was a hot blond Clinton would have found him in weeks.....


40 posted on 09/27/2006 1:27:52 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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