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Clinton's Kosovo Whopper
Accuracy in Media ^ | September 27, 2006 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 09/27/2006 9:38:58 PM PDT by Mount Athos

Of all the whoppers told by former President Clinton in his Chris Wallace interview, perhaps the most outrageous was his claim that he was involved in "trying to stop a genocide in Kosovo..." In fact, Clinton's bombing of the former Yugoslavia killed more people than died in this "genocide." And his policy benefited Osama bin Laden and the global Jihad.

In the year before the bombing, some 2,000 people had been killed in a civil war in Kosovo. A conservative estimate is that 6,000 were killed by U.S. and NATO bombs.

It's strange as well that Clinton complained to Wallace about the "neocons" attacking him when many of the same neocons in 1999 supported Clinton's war on Yugoslavia. The war was never approved by the U.N. or the U.S. Congress, and in fact violated the War Powers Act. The main beneficiary of the intervention was a Muslim terrorist group, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), with links to bin Laden, who had declared war on America in 1996, bombed our embassies in Africa in 1998, and would later, of course, orchestrate 9/11.

When former CIA official Michael Scheuer says that the Clinton Administration "had eight to ten chances" to kill bin Laden and "they refused to try," he is making a statement that goes far beyond acknowledging Clinton Administration incompetence or a lack of will. The fact is that Clinton had a pro-Muslim foreign policy that actually benefited bin Laden and facilitated 9/11. Most Republicans don't mention this because too many of them were duped into backing Clinton's misguided policy in Kosovo. President Bush, then a candidate, even backed U.S. military intervention there through NATO.

[...] It is noteworthy that the CIA issued a January 2000 report that essentially whitewashed the nature of the KLA and claimed it was pro-American.

(Excerpt) Read more at aim.org ...


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1 posted on 09/27/2006 9:38:59 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: kronos77; Bokababe

ping


2 posted on 09/27/2006 9:40:02 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

and now the muslims over there are murering Christians left and right.

I came to the conclusion ol' Slobo was right after all.


3 posted on 09/27/2006 9:41:52 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: Mount Athos

I have no evidence of this but my bet is that Clinton agreed to do the kosovo thing in order for Bin Ladin to stop attacking america. HE is that kind of slime


4 posted on 09/27/2006 9:42:47 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: Mount Athos
In the year before the bombing, some 2,000 people had been killed in a civil war in Kosovo. A conservative estimate is that 6,000 were killed by U.S. and NATO bombs.

Does anyone here have more accurate figures available?
5 posted on 09/27/2006 9:43:01 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Mount Athos

http://www.savekosovo.org/


6 posted on 09/27/2006 9:46:42 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: hegemony

FYI


7 posted on 09/27/2006 9:49:39 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: tgambill

FYI


8 posted on 09/27/2006 9:50:06 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: kinoxi
Does anyone here have more accurate figures available?

Slobo's public prosecutor cited 503 civilian deaths when Slobo's minions put on their little show trial back in 2000, which fell within the range reported by HRW in February of that year.*

Meanwhile, over 800 K-Albanians have been recovered from clandestine mass graves inside Serbia itself (which when added to those recovered from inside Kosovo gives ~6k K-Albanian victims), and we're still waiting for Belgrade to come clean over the matter. Until they do, we're left with Patrick Ball's estimate of 10k K-Albanians civilians killed by Serbian military, police, and paramilitary forces.

Mr. Kincaid merely demonstrates the pathetic willful ignorance of those who still toe the Serb nationalist line over Kosovo. It's over. Done. Serbia has lost Kosovo, and no amount of lying or complaining is going to get it back.

*Human Rights Watch concludes on the basis of evidence available on these ninety incidents that as few as 488 and as many as 527 Yugoslav civilians were killed as a result of NATO bombing. source

9 posted on 09/27/2006 10:13:52 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Mount Athos

Great find, thanks for the post.


10 posted on 09/27/2006 10:26:39 PM PDT by hotshu
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To: sageb1

:) I wondered if anyone of any importance would catch that line of BS and point it out. It just befuddles my mind how we, Americans can put our head in the sand, and just because we are die hard Republicans, or because we are die hard Democrats....we won't look at the truth. Denial is just as deadly as complacency in a terrorist environment. Complacency and Denial has killed many.........


12 posted on 09/27/2006 11:47:26 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite

"800 K-Albanians have been recovered from clandestine mass graves inside Serbia itself"

Show me the reports and the news about his. This is a government line of BS.......PURE AND SIMPLE LIES BY WHOEVER SAID THEM.......Where are the bodies. You can't produce them, I CHALLENGE you to put up or shut up.


13 posted on 09/27/2006 11:49:47 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Mount Athos

bttt


14 posted on 09/27/2006 11:51:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Walkingfeather
I have no evidence of this but my bet is that Clinton agreed to do the kosovo thing in order for Bin Ladin to stop attacking america.

Interesting. First time I have seen that theory posted here. Any theory would have to incorporate the behavior of Tony Blair and the rest of NATO. Perhaps that point in time may represent the point where Islam exercised it most empirically expansive influence over the political machinery controlling the West. Odds say no, but guts say so.

15 posted on 09/27/2006 11:58:53 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Mount Athos

Finally, finally my suspicions have been confirmed. Thank you Mr.Kincaid.


16 posted on 09/28/2006 12:01:07 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Hoplite; Bokababe; joan; montyspython; DTA; getoffmylawn; ma bell; Beckwith; ...

"Because the estimate of 10,500 killed was generated from samples of the population and not the entire population itself, a range must be computed that represents a margin of error for the estimate due to the sampling methods and the estimation technique. Using a 95 percent confidence interval, AAAS statisticians estimated the number of Kosovar Albanians who were killed during this time period to fall between 7,449 and 13,627 (see Figure 1). This confidence interval indicates that if this study were repeated 100 times using different but independent lists of data, one would expect that in 95 of the 100 studies, the estimate would fall within the range of 7,449 to 13,627 killings.

This confidence interval is most significant because it establishes that the estimate of 10,500 killed is consistent with the findings of other scientific estimates of the number of killings (see Figure 1). In September 1999, the Center for Disease Control (CDC) conducted a two-stage cluster survey among the Kosovar Albanian population in Kosova/Kosovo. They collected retrospective mortality data, including cause of death, for the period from February 1998 to June 1999. Their report concluded that approximately 12,000 Kosovars had died in the conflict with a confidence interval of 5,500 to 18,300.24 An independent PHR study25 estimated that there were 9,269 Kosovar Albanians killed in the year preceding the interviews (the majority of these killings occurring in 1999). A 95 percent confidence interval for the PHR estimate results in a range of killings between 6,911 and 11,627."


Did you read how they came to the figures....Statistical analysis and a scientific guess work. Pure crap! This is just a way to justify the next assault on Serbia when we or the Muslims provoke the Serbs again, or fake an attack with personnel dressed as Serbs and they assault internationals. I have reason to believe this by the way. The objective my little hopscotch, is to once again hope the Serbs get stupid and start attacking, so that the UN, NATO etc...can occupy Northern Mitrovica, and force Independent Kosovo since the powers that be are too cowardly to accept the 1244 and fullfil its' previous provisions.

We have no business in the Balkans, and we have no business occupying Kosovo any longer. The proper thing to do would be to allow the Serbs back in, and start cleaning up Organized crime, arrest Ramush, Thaqi, and Ceku; demoblize the TMK and KPC; arrest those identified as criminals keep those Albanians that want a better life and are clean. However, we both know that is impossible as we are focused on North Mitrovica to bring it into Kosovo, then force an independent Kosovo....then, Once that is done, Kosovo will become a safe haven for terrorist that will then work to destablize south Presevo, and Western Macedonia. The ultimate goal is to either bring Macedonia on board or......cause Macedonia to simply go away. Bulgaria and Greece will claim their part, and then Albania will claim it's part to the greater Albania bid started in 1948 with Balle Kombetar. Making way for that ole pipeline coming from the Caspian.....uh huh, shure enuf. then, on to Russia...........

show me the 800K, where are the 800 bodies...if they were found in Serbia they aren't secret anymore.....WHERE ARE THEY HOPPIE.......


17 posted on 09/28/2006 12:05:19 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: kinoxi
I do know that Clinton halted the bombing within a week of his poll numbers dropping below 50%. I was closely following that when I covered this war for my job.

I will give the administration credit for smoking the Chinese Embassy on a B2 run. The official line was that we used old maps and made a mistake, but old maps showed an empty lot. The company I interned for quickly pointed that out. :) But the masses completely believed that we would send a B2 round trip to bomb a target with "old maps" programmed in.

18 posted on 09/28/2006 12:07:09 AM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: Mount Athos
I have been saying this since I saw the anti-war nuts in 2003 while in Riyadh (had been out of touch, couldn't figure out wtf folks back home were doing)

Of course its just political spin to make GWBush and the GOP look as bad as possible.

19 posted on 09/28/2006 12:17:55 AM PDT by sten
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To: Mount Athos

anyone remember that picture taken of the 'refugee in a prison camp'? It was used to support claims of genocide. Later on, the 'camp' was found and they determined that the fence did indeed exist.. but it was around a power generator and meant to keep people out. The photographer turned out to have taken the picture from inside the generator area looking out. (early faux-photos by the lib-media)


20 posted on 09/28/2006 12:22:17 AM PDT by sten
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To: tgambill
I refer you to the website of the Republic of Serbia Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The mass grave in Batajnica is one of the three uncovered in Serbia in the spring of 2001. Over the next three years, around 1,100 bodies of Kosovo Albanians were exhumed from the three mass graves.

The most corpses, 980, were found at a police shooting range in Batajnica, 77 were discovered at a special police forces' practice grounds in the eastern Serbian village of Petrovo Selo and another 48 were located near the Perucac lake, close to the border with Bosnia Herzegovina.

Apparently I was underreporting the number of corpses recovered inside Serbia. Oh well, live and learn.

The net result, however, is that just as Kincaid is willfully ignorant, so are you Tom.

21 posted on 09/28/2006 12:22:31 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: GOPyouth
I will give the administration credit for smoking the Chinese Embassy on a B2 run.

We do not know who did that. Obviously Clinton does not know how to program the target coordinates, so some one else picked those coordinates. Clinton may not have known. I seem to remember that our military bombing of Kosovo was not very effective. We learned that when the Serbians volunteered to remove their still operational equipment. Possible that someone was letting the Chinese know that we knew who was pulling the strings there. The question with that speculation is why would the Chinese desire this ? Lots of unknowns that should be investigated. Of course this area is technically Western Europe. Always has been. Near Macedonia where Alexander the Great came from.

22 posted on 09/28/2006 12:25:48 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Hoplite

"Mr. Kincaid merely demonstrates the pathetic willful ignorance of those who still toe the Serb nationalist line over Kosovo. It's over. Done. Serbia has lost Kosovo, and no amount of lying or complaining is going to get it back."

Ole Kincaid is just part of the BS spin and we are going to fight against Independent Kosovo as hard as possible and eventually write about the truth concerning Kosovo and not the lies perp by the Clinton Admin.


23 posted on 09/28/2006 12:28:30 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
You know, a part of me kinda wishes they would give Kosovo independence and let the Albanians put together their own army. Then the Serbs could line their army up on the "border" of this new state and somebody can say, "1,2,3 Go!"

After a month someone can then ring a bell and to the victors go the spoils.

24 posted on 09/28/2006 12:29:21 AM PDT by getoffmylawn (Greg Dulli will steal your girlfriend.)
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To: Hoplite

Hardly, the figures don't tell the true story. I'll be getting back to you on this one....got other work to do, but then I shall set you straight.


25 posted on 09/28/2006 12:30:08 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: justa-hairyape
Sorry, not Western Europe, but Europe. Definitely considered part of the Western World according to the Persians who first tried to conquer it.
26 posted on 09/28/2006 12:31:10 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Walkingfeather
"I have no evidence of this but my bet is that Clinton agreed to do the kosovo thing in order for Bin Ladin to stop attacking america. HE is that kind of slime"


Our leaders do stupid things. I am still trying to figure out why Bush listened to Feinstein and Boxer to gave $43 million to the Taliban two months before 911. Knowing there is an attack coming from Bin Laden using air planes.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b271faf7b6c.htm

27 posted on 09/28/2006 12:32:34 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Hoplite

Kincaid is right on target.........by the way. It would pay for you to become educated.........


28 posted on 09/28/2006 12:32:59 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Mount Athos
We have always wondered why Clinton sided with the Muslims in Kosovo. It was a known fact that the Muslims grew and sold drugs in order to sponsor terrorism.

Clinton and Little Jimmy Carter have done more damage to world peace than we will ever know.

29 posted on 09/28/2006 12:37:59 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Walkingfeather
If you read the early intellegence on Kosovo. Kosovo was about Bin Ladin.

Your theory could be right, the intelligence reports where saying things that made it seem like we where trying to not let Bin laden get a foot hold in Kosovo. But that didn’t make since to me.

30 posted on 09/28/2006 12:41:59 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: sten
(early faux-photos by the lib-media)

As reported by Thomas Deichmann in Michael Hume's Living Marxism magazine, no less, and still endlessly repeated by those who choose to ignore the sordid end of the episode in a London courtroom where Hume and Deichmann were tried for libel by the "lib-media" reporters.

There has never been any question in my opinion or in the article that I published that this camp was anything other than a grim place at which there were beatings, there were killings and there were rapes. There has never been any question of that. We have never argued contrary to that. - Michael Hume

I do not say that they at the time were able to leave and there - you know, there were fences, there were guards, which we have seen here, armed guards. - Thomas Deichmann

You might want to do a little more rigorous fact-checking yourself.

Just a thought.

Trnopolje was Bosnia '92, rather than Kosovo '99, btw, and here is more than you ever wanted to know about the whole affair.

31 posted on 09/28/2006 12:44:50 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Mount Athos

Interesting read. Thanks for posting


32 posted on 09/28/2006 12:59:05 AM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: Hoplite

Batajnica was constantly bombed by NATO. There where a mixture of Surbs Albanians and KLA’s in that grave site and some questionable identities that seemed to have two locations of burial.


33 posted on 09/28/2006 1:08:19 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Hoplite

As I was writing to Torie, it is good that you post these responses and certainly you give the Spin masters version. This helps in knowing what the spin is, so that the somewhere in the mirad of BS and exaggerations, the truth will surface. The Serbs during this period cannot be exonerated as Sanda apologized to her fellow Serbs in one SUC meeting for their behaviors during those years under Milo.....there were no 10,000 massacred..there were no Rape camps, and there were no 8,000 Muslims massacred and the ones that were killed were mostly Muh. that the CIA asked the ISI to divert to part of the dregs of the HUM and the HUJI to Bosnia in order to assist the Muslims. If you want, I can send you a video, then again I bet you already have it. The last I heard while in the Marines, that if you have an enemy you kill them......in this case, it was ONLY 3,000 or so. Should of been more.

Here they are........

http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,91134-bosnia_p3705,00.html


35 posted on 09/28/2006 1:35:16 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Txsleuth

Ping


36 posted on 09/28/2006 1:36:49 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Mount Athos
"The Clinton policy of supporting the same extremist Muslim forces in Europe that subsequently attacked us on 9/11 is far more controversial than the policy of regime change in Iraq, which was officially a policy of Clinton, Bush and the Congress. Kosovo was never a threat to the U.S., and Serbia didn't even pretend to have weapons of mass destruction."

Dream on Cliff,
'Controversial' it is not.
So far as the average American is concerned, Kosovo was a heroic gesture that saved thousands of lives;
The myth is established and no one (right or left) is willing to openly question it.
(except here in the cyber periphery)

37 posted on 09/28/2006 1:37:13 AM PDT by norton
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To: Steve Van Doorn
For the record, the Bush administration did allow for $43 million in aid -to Afghanistan, after being approached numerous times by the UN, Colin Powell, US Senators (especially Diane Feinstein) and various charity organizations concerned about the starvation resulting from the drought and sanctions. I am not condoning this, simply adding perspective. It was mainly organizations friendly with the left that insisted this aid was necessary and their implications that George W. Bush funded the Taliban and thus the attack last Tues. is shameless.

Aid was in the form of grain, medical supplies and other hard goods, routed directly to Red Crescent (Islamic equivalent of the Red Cross) and other relief organizations to keep it out of the hands of the Taliban.

A good question to ask is why the Clinton and his administration chose Dec. 20, 2000 to give Osama another 30 day ultimatum?DEC.18, 2000-ELECTORAL COLLEGE elects GEORGE W. BUSH. DEC.20, 2000-CLINTON ADMINISTRATION gives Afghanistan 30 day ULTIMATUM..until- JAN.20, 2001...INAUGERATION DAY for PRESIDENT BUSH.

(see links below for further details). http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/528591/posts

38 posted on 09/28/2006 1:37:15 AM PDT by anglian
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/528591/posts


39 posted on 09/28/2006 1:37:46 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Steve Van Doorn
As I recall that spending was authorized by Congress in the previous year. For example, when you see something authorized for Fiscal Year 2001, it was voted on in 2000.

It's Congress that holds the purse strings in any case.

40 posted on 09/28/2006 2:38:50 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Redbob
I came to the conclusion ol' Slobo was right after all

Ol' Slobo was selling arms to Iraq.

41 posted on 09/28/2006 2:45:00 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Walkingfeather
Rumor has it that at one point our special forces folks were on the ground and directed to meet up with an anti-Serb group for soome reason or another... instead, they discovered the people they were to meet had set up an ambush for them. Naturally these people had to be eliminated ... which peeved the White House to no end. Clinton, never one to be concerned about the potential loss of American lives, threw a major temper tantrum over those wannabe-ambushers' demise. He had probably 'worked harder than he had ever worked before' on arranging the meeting after all.

[...Not that rumors are worth much unless they are labeled "anonymous sources."]

42 posted on 09/28/2006 2:52:47 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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all the troops, time, money, effort...all wasted because the euro-weenies would not step up and do something in kosovo and bosnia!....so clinton jumped in on the wrong side in a war that is now going to be won by the muzzies....no matter what this buffoon touched...it always turned to shi-ite...he need not worry...his legacy will remain in tact and history will judge him accordingly.

has anyone ever heard of when the US troops will be out of this area...the lib/dems scream quagmire in iraq and re-deploy, etc. etc. ....has anyone ever heard murtha or his minions utter a peep regarding another of clinton's blunders?...if the republicans do not get their acts together...maybe someone can querie the next clinton president (piaps)as to when the troops will be pulled from kosovo!!!


43 posted on 09/28/2006 3:21:37 AM PDT by hnj_00
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To: Steve Van Doorn
There where a mixture of Surbs Albanians and KLA’s in that grave site

If you could provide a citation for this little nugget of info, that would be great.

Thanks.

44 posted on 09/28/2006 4:56:29 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: tgambill
Try to confine yourself to attempting to deny the mass graves in Serbia related to the war in Kosovo, m'kay Tom?

There's more than enough opportunity for you to embarrass yourself with just that one subject.

45 posted on 09/28/2006 5:16:08 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Nope......not confining myself to any such thing. One is only embarrased if they lie and caught at it. Unless you don't have a conscious, like Billy Bob, then you can lie, get caught and lie to cover the last lie. Never admitting any lie, therefore never being embarrased. What a life....:)) So, if one was mistaken, it's not embarrassing, it's called an EPIPHANY...this is why they put the word in the dictionary.

Hoppie, You don't tell the whole truth. You dig out Government documents and consult with some of your local, political spin masters that are completely unreliable, and certainly based on the "old story", which has been dubunked many times over. Secondly, I'm still trying to decide if you are a disinfo kind of "person"? or, you are just gullible to the spin. We are going to expand this little circle to a much, much wider spectrum in due time hoppers.....Just buckle up.

Get used to it, the stove has only been warmed up. We will not allow you are anyone else to spread the BS.......

In the process, should additional information surface that is "reliable" and is contrary to what one has thought, then it's not embarrassing, its good. Repeat....Lying and getting caught to most people who lie can be embarrassing. You have it all backwards don't ye, son.

hmmmmm, Under Secretary to Political Sub-terrainian Affairs...how does that sound. lolol...:))


46 posted on 09/28/2006 5:36:16 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Mount Athos
Democrats have often criticized Bush and Rumsfeld for having no plan in Iraq, but was their "plan" in Kosovo to bomb at 15,000 feet, to create a humanitarian disaster by causing 1.5 million to flee to the Greek province of Macedonia, and to rely on the Croatian Army on the ground to take territory, thereby avoiding another Srebrenica in the Bihac pocket?

Kosovo, as pointed out by others, by serving as a magnet for Muslim jihadists, was no Clinton success story, no matter how much credit he personally claimed.
47 posted on 09/28/2006 5:46:50 AM PDT by OESY
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To: sten
Yes, the dilapidated, broken old fence - there long before the war - was mainly chicken wire with a few strands of barbed wire at the top, and with leaning thin poles. The British news crew entered the fenced area through a gap where the fence was broken, and then filmed from behind the fence. The curious men gathered round it as the reporter, Penny Marshall, engaged them in questions, and started pointing out men who looked thin. Finally, a man in the crowd pushed forward a man, saying something like here's a really skinny man for you. The man had some skeletal deformation/disease, but was otherwise uninjured and clean, as were all the others on that hot summer day.

You can see the chicken wire all below where the one man rests his hand:

You can make out a dusty/dirt-caked wheelbarrel in the lower right of the picture which shows Penny Marshall and some of her film crew:


48 posted on 09/28/2006 6:05:11 AM PDT by joan
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To: Walkingfeather

We call this Islamoapeasment.

Same thing did Europe giving Czechoslovakia in 1938 to Herr Hitler...


49 posted on 09/28/2006 6:07:42 AM PDT by kronos77 (www.savekosovo.org and www.kosovo.net Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: getoffmylawn

Oh my.....can you imagine. However, there would have to some serious ground rules......One ground rule....no one in NATO or across the big ole pond may offer any assistance for any reason. Just watch the monitors.

The situation at the MI bridge was provocation by opening the bridge, on the part of the UN, thus allowing the first act of provocation by crossing over and starting fights. The same as the grenade thrown at the cafe. That was two acts of provocation that failed. Now the anty has to be up'ed. A homemade provocation with your own players and then blame it on the serbs.....Albanians will be given the high sign then start riots.....You can figure the rest........it's coming.

some interesting reading while we were on the subject.....

just read the transitions; following the sequence of events in the same time frame. The point is pretty obvious when talking about absurdities.


Jaksic Announces Citizens’ Insubordination

Kosovska Mitrovica, 25 Sept 06 (Beta, Otvoreno o Kosovu) – One of the Serbian leaders from northern Kosovo Marko Jaksic, stated on Monday night for the Beta Agency that the squabble in Kosovska Mitrovica was expected, assessing that the Serbs were ‘rightly afraid of provocations and violence’.
Jaksic, who is a member of the negotiation team, said that the attack shows that the decision of the police and UNMIK to open the bridge over the Ibar River was the wrong one.
‘The attacks on the Serbs are continuing, which was also confirmed with the shooting of the returnees in Istok’, said Jaksic. Jaksic announced that the Serbs will defend themselves and fight to preserve the peace with all the democratic means they have.

A Minor Was Arrested

Kosovska Mitrovica, 25 Sept (Beta, Otvoreno o Kosovu) – One minor female was taken to the police station in the northern Mitrovica regarding the fight on the main bridge on the Ibar River.
As it was stated to the Beta Agency by KPS spokesperson, Veton Eljsani, on Monday evening around 21:55, three minor Albanians between the ages of 13 and 14 years old passed over the bridge to the Serbian side of the town and started a verbal conflict with a group of Serbian people gathered there.
Eljsani said that ‘the verbal squabble turned into stoning’. According to his words, one of the minors, who is 14 years old is in the northern police station at the moment and is giving his statement.

Rucker: Exaggerating Claims About Albanian Violence Against Serbs

Belgrade, 26 Sep 06 (Radio Srbija) – UNMIK chief Joachim Rucker evaluated that the claims of how Serbs in the province are a constant target of Albanian violence are exaggerated and emphasized that it is time to reach a solution about Kosmet’s political status.
Rucker did not agree with the claims that the status negotiation process is blocked because in the next phase there will be some significant suggestions which might resolve the status issue. He said that guidelines to lead the negotiations are part of the guiding principals of the Contact Group, which point out that there can be not be a return to the situation prior to 1999, no joining of Kosmet with some of the countries from the region, and no division of this territory, and that at the same time the solution must be acceptable for both sides.

Ruecker Unaware Of Threats Of Violence
Brussels, Belgrade, 26 Sep06 (B92) – The UNMIK chief says threats of violence in the event that Kosovo is not granted independence are unacceptable, but that he has not heard of any.
Joachim Ruecker said in Brussels that he never heard of any threats of violence from any responsible Kosovo politician. Ruecker met the ambassadors at the EU Political Security Committee, demanding to keep the pace of the Kosovo status process in line with the Contact Group recommendations.
The EU Political Security Committee ambassadors strongly insisted on the implementation of the democratic principles in the province.
The UNMIK chief also said that the Kosovo interim administration has made additional efforts to reach out to the Serb community. Ruecker said that although the Contact Group made a number of demands in that regard, the Kosovo Serbs must also make an effort to integrate.
“I regret that the Serbs are not taking part in Kosovo’s political life and I am making an appeal to the representatives of the hard-line policies in Belgrade to enable the Kosovo Serbs to take part in the political and economic life of Kosovo,” Ruecker concluded. (Beta)


KPS Increases Security Measures, Evaluates The Situation As Calm

26 Sep 06 (Epoka e Re) – With all of the explosions that have occurred lately in our country, the Kosova Police Service officials evaluate the security situation as stabile, while the KPS has increased security measures.
Veton Elshani, the KPS spokesperson said for Kosova Press that the reason for increasing the security measures in Kosova was done in order to protect a few religious temples and political personalities.
“The security measures were implemented in order to protect few political personalities which are under the KPS’s care” said Elshani. According to Elshani, the increase of the security measures in a way it was done because of the status issue.
Elshani made it clear that the increase of the security was done in all of Kosova. “More security is being conducted in whole Kosova's territory, but the security personnel remains the same” said Elshani.
Meanwhile regarding the reopening of the main bridge over Ibër River in Mitrovica, Elshani said that the KPS is always there to provide security for the citizens and the vehicles that pass through this bridge.
He said that Kosova's Police Service (KPS) is able to control Kosova in this important phase keeping in mind that international forces are present in Kosova.

Ceku Warns Of Possible Provocations

Prishtina, 26 Sep 06 (Beta) – On Tuesday, Agim Ceku, the premier of Kosovo, said that at the end of the process to determine the status, Kosovo will face provocations “from forces which oppose an independent Kosovo, and which through destabilizing the situation want to undermined the present achievements and disturb the process of gaining independence”.
Ceku said this after the meeting with Fatmir Sejdiju and Seremet Ahmeti, the KPS deputy commissioner. Ceku expressed his support to the KPS efforts against “crime and forces which have the goal of destabilizing Kosovo.

Serbian And UNMIK Representatives About Closing Ibar Bridge
Kosovska Mitrovica, 26 Sept 06 (RTS) – On Tuesday, in Kosovska Mitrovica, a meeting was held between the representatives of UNMIK and the Serbian National Council in northern Kosmet and it will be about the political and security situation since Monday’s incident in the town.
The representatives of the SNC stated that they are going to try to convince the deputy UNMIK chief, Steven Shook, and the regional representative, Gerard Gallucci, to close the bridge over the Ibar River for traffic until the end of the negotiations for Kosovo’s status.
Close to the bridge in the northern Serbian part of Mitrovica, on Monday evening, several Albanians have lightly injured Aleksandar Curic (41).
Regarding the attack, the regional UNMIK police spokesperson, Larry Miler, stated that the police arrested eight Albanian minors, who were released after the investigation.
As it was announced by the representative of the international press centre at the Coordination Centre for Kosovska Mitrovica, Rade Negojevic, around 18:00 on Monday in the Bosnjak Mahala, also in the northern part of the town, the attorney Boban Savic was attacked by a group of Albanians, but Savic was not injured.
After Monday’s incident, the situation in Kosovska Mitrovica is now calm and the main Ibar Bridge, which was closed after the bomb attack on the ‘Dolce Vita’ café and was recently opened is closed again.

Fight On Kosovska Mitrovica Bridge
Kosovska Mitrovica, 26 Sept 06 (B92) - A group of Albanians and Serbs got into a fight on Monday night near the bridge which separates them in Kosovska Mitrovica.
Eyewitnesses told Beta that a group of about 15 youths from the southern Albanian part of the city crossed the bridge to the Serbian part and began to provoke Serbs to fight. A group of young men who regularly hang out near the bridge on the northern side confronted the group of Albanians and a fight broke out.
According to the most recent reports, there were no injuries in the scuffle. Eyewitnesses say that UNMIK and Kosovo Police Service officials intervened very quickly, separated the two groups, and made them leave the scene of the fight.
Following the fight, about one hundred Serbian citizens of Kosovska Mitrovica gathered at the north side of the bridge and covered the path around it with barbed wire. They are protesting and are asking for the bridge to be closed again, stating that this incident shows that the city is still not safe.
The bridge across the Ibar River in Kosovska Mitrovica was reopened on Monday after a one-month blockade because of a bombing incident that occurred at a café on the Serbian side of the city.


Fight On Kosovska Mitrovica Bridge
Kosovska Mitrovica, 26 Sept 06 (B92) - A group of Albanians and Serbs got into a fight on Monday night near the bridge which separates them in Kosovska Mitrovica.
Eyewitnesses told Beta that a group of about 15 youths from the southern Albanian part of the city crossed the bridge to the Serbian part and began to provoke Serbs to fight. A group of young men who regularly hang out near the bridge on the northern side confronted the group of Albanians and a fight broke out.
According to the most recent reports, there were no injuries in the scuffle. Eyewitnesses say that UNMIK and Kosovo Police Service officials intervened very quickly, separated the two groups, and made them leave the scene of the fight.
Following the fight, about one hundred Serbian citizens of Kosovska Mitrovica gathered at the north side of the bridge and covered the path around it with barbed wire. They are protesting and are asking for the bridge to be closed again, stating that this incident shows that the city is still not safe.
The bridge across the Ibar River in Kosovska Mitrovica was reopened on Monday after a one-month blockade because of a bombing incident that occurred at a café on the Serbian side of the city.


Kosovska Mitrovica Bridge Remains Closed
Kosovska Mitrovica, 26 Sep (B92) The bridge over the Ibar River in Kosovska Mitrovica will remain closed after last night’s attack on Aleksandar Æurèiæ.
Steven Schook, the UNMIK deputy chief, met with Serb representatives in this town and stated that the decision to reopen the bridge will be postponed until after the talks with KFOR and representatives from the south part of the town are done. Schook said that meeting with representatives of the Serbian National Council (SNV) was very good
Meanwhile, the Kosovo Police Service detained eight persons after last night’s attack by several Albanians on Aleskandar Æurèiæ. They were interviewed and later released.
The incident occurred when three underage Albanians crossed the bridge and started a brawl with a group of people gathered on the north side of the bridge. The verbal conflict turned into a fight, inflicting light injuries on a Kosovo Serb.
Milan Ivanovic, the Serb National Council chairman, said that in his talks with the international community representatives, he repeated the Serb demand to keep the bridge closed until the end of the Kosovo status negotiations. “They said they would decide in a few days and until then the bridge remains closed and they take responsibility for whatever happens, meaning whether or not the bridge will open.”
“Monday’s developments are proof that the opening of the bridge destabilizes the situations in the northern part of the town”, said Ivanovic
He once again retreated that keeping in mind that there is a bad safety situation in the province, and the more frequent statements about an unfavorable outcome of the talks about the Kosovo and Metohija status, on October 2nd, the Serbs will hold a protest meeting in the center of Kosovska Mitrovica.
The UNMIK Police spokesman told B92 that contrary to previous reports, the UNMIK police did intervene. “They reacted at the very start of the fight to protect the victims from sustaining serious injuries”, Larry Miller said.
The bridge on the Ibar river was opened on Monday after being closed on August 26th, when a bomb was thrown on a café in the Serb part of the town, wounding nine people.

Serb People’s Council Condemns Attack
On Returnees
Belgrade, 26 Sep 06 (Tanjug) – On Tuesday, the Serb People's Council (SNV) of Kosovo-Metohija condemned, in the strongest terms, Tuesday’s terrorist attack on the Serb returnees to Istok and voiced their concern over the fact that apart from the condemnation of such acts, there were no concrete results in the search and arrest of their perpetrators.
“The SNV most strongly condemns yet another in a whole slue of terrorist attacks against the Serbian returnees in Kosovo and Metohija, and expresses its concern that except for the condemnations from the international community and individual Albanian representatives, there have been no real results in finding the perpetrators,” claims the announcement

COMMENT: Now here is putting the fox in the hen house and asking him, who ate all the chickens…he answers, “weren’t me”…..

Çeku And Ahmeti: Destructive Forces Can Not Be Allowed To Destabilize Kosova

Prishtina, 26 Sep 06 (Kosova.com) – Kosova Prime Minister, Agim Çeku, today met the KPS Deputy Commissionaire, Sheremet Ahmeti and his staff. Fatmir Rexhepi, the Minister of Interior, was also present.
The safety situation in Kosova was discussed during this meeting and the need to increase the security measures and other measures regarding the crime prevention in Kosova, especially after a series of explosions, which are suspected to have political and an ethnic background.
According to an announcement made by Prime Minister Çeku, he asked the KPS leaders for more efficiency in fighting crime, expressing his confidence that KPS possesses the necessary capacities to provide the necessary security for everyone in Kosova.
The police high representatives informed Prime Minister Çeku and Minister Rexhepi about the measures taken thus far and the plans to increase the security measures in Kosova in the near future. The participants agreed that the power of law and the institutions must be strongly present and the destructive forces can not be allowed to destabilize Kosova.
The period of the final Kosova status definition will bring the citizens of Kosova in front of many provocations by the forces that are against Kosova’s independence, and which through destabilizing Kosova want to “mine” the achievements made so far, and obstruct the process of Kosova’s independence.
The competent security institutions must do everything, so Kosova can be a safe country where there will be no place for those who want to dictate the processes of Kosova through violence. This was the joint evaluation of the participants of this meeting.
Prime Minister, Çeku said that it is a priority to increase the cooperation with the citizens, and it also is a necessary measure to establish a sustainable stability in Kosova, Çeku added “Kosova citizens safety is our first priority” and “Kosova institutions and Kosova citizens must be engaged together in order to establish a sustainable stability in Kosova”.
All of the participants agreed that the government of Kosova ,in cooperation with UNMIK, KFOR, and KPS will continue to be committed to establish a safe environment with concrete measures, which are expected to be decided during the upcoming meeting between the leaders of these institutions.
The government of Kosova strongly supports the work of the KPS in fighting crime and the forces that aim to destabilize Kosova. The government calls on the citizens to provide unreserved support for our forces of law, which will help Kosova overcome the safety challenges in Kosova.

Ulrich: KFOR Will Not Tolerate Any Kind Of Violence

26 Sep 06 (Radio Kosova) – KFOR will not tolerate any kind of violence in Kosova, said US Admiral Harry Ulrich, the Commander of NATO Allied Forces based in Naples, Italy, during a visit to Artana formerly Novo Brdo. Commenting on the statements of Serbian leaders that the independence of Kosova will generate a crisis in Balkans, he said that “it’s the people and the leaders who decide if there is going to be violence, but I don’t believe in such a thing because they are looking towards the future,” said Admiral Ulrich.
The American Admiral decided to visit the municipality of Artana (Novo Brda) this time, since this was recommended by the KFOR Commander, Roland Kather. He said that he is encouraged with the achievements made in this municipality, tolerance, participation of all ethnicities in the institutions and the municipal leaders.
Commenting on the statements of the Serb officials that Kosova’s independence would bring danger and instability in the Balkans, the American Admiral, Harry Ulrich said that he was assured by the KFOR commander in Kosova that the violence will not be tolerated. “I think that General Kather and KFOR made it clear that they will not tolerate any violence in Kosova, but I must say that the violence depends on the Kosovars and the leaders themselves and I think they would not support it”, said Admiral Ulrich.
Meanwhile, the President of the municipality, Petar Vasiq said that his municipality is on the right path to become a multiethnic municipality, but the main problems of this municipality remain the economic issues. “We agreed that this municipality is economically undeveloped and it needs support in this direction”, said Vasiq.
The Artana Municipal officials informed Admiral Ulrich on the achievements thus far as well as the further steps that their municipality should take in order for their municipality to be more functional and multiethnic.

Istog Leader Reacts Against The Gun Shots

26 Sep 06 (RTK) – The incident, which occurred in Istog on Monday night, respectively the gun shots near the house where the returned Serbian citizens have been placed, is a worrisome case. Everyone who is trying to cause troubles to the citizens and create such incidents, will receive the merited punishment, stated the leader of the Istog municipality, Fadil Ferati.
“We severely condemn the incident and we guarantee the citizens that with the cooperation of everyone, we will manage to eliminate these incidents and create a secure environment and climate for all of the citizens. I call on all of the responsible security institutions to resolve the case and put those who violate the rules, damage the public calmness, and create fear to the citizens to be placed in front of justice. We will continue our engagements with the security institutions and citizens to guarantee full security to the citizens”.


Sejdiu: The Authors Of The Incidents And Explosions Are Against The Independence

26 Sep 06 (kosova.com) – All who have been involved in the past days’ incidents and explosions are against the independence and the future of Kosova, said the Kosova President, Fatmir Sejdiu, after a meeting with the Unity Team. This meeting of the Unity Team was held before the visit of the United States Assistant Secretary of State, Daniel Fried. President Sejdiu said that in this high level meeting, the vision and arguments for the independence of Kosova during 2006 will be expressed. Sejdiu also said that he infirmed the Unity Team members about his meeting at the United Nations Security Council. “A general stability througout Kosova is needed for the achievement of independence. The actors of violence are against this will. I think that all of those who deal with different incidents are antagonists of Kosova’s independence and its future”, said President Sejdiu.
Sejdiu called for the general calmness of Kosova’s people and to be part of the common contribution for the way forward. “Such incidents contribute to those who oppose the independence and future of Kosova. They also contribute to those who want to keep Kosova under continuous tensions,” said Sejdiu. Meanwhile, according to Sejdiu, this situation would serve the accusations that Kosova is an unstable place or “Precisely, the independence of Kosova and the taking over of the political and state life by the Kosova institutions would have an impact on the local and regional instability”, said Sejdiu. He called on the security institutions to do their job in a very responsible manner.
Regarding the possibility to continue the talks with Belgrade, President Sejdiu said that actually there is nothing concrete, but it can happen if there will be an insistence by either party to included in the talks. Kosova offered its maximum. “I can say that we were very constructive during the whole process of talks because our offer is one that achieved the limit according to which we call normal for functionality in Kosova and not risking the general functionality of the Kosova institutions in the future”, said Sejdiu adding that the insistence for other talks could be a direct effect on the length of the process.


Schook: I Am Really Tired Of This Bridge

26 Sep06 (Radio Kosova) – During his visit to the Municipal Assembly of Mitrovica, the deputy head UNMIKadministrator, Steven Schook, asked the leaders of the municipality and the citizens for a bigger devotion and to be responsible during these very important moments for Kosova and Mitrovica. “The message is clear and simple, it is enough. It is time for every one to behave correctly,” said Schook.
After the meeting, Ibrahim strongly condemned Monday night’s incident and asked the citizens to keep in mind the important process through which Kosova and Mitrovica is passing, asking them for responsibility in what they do. Meanwhile, Schook said that he asked the municipal leaders for a bigger devotion on the ground to talk to people and clarify the situation and the moment through which Kosova is going through because the leaders have this responsibility. “My main demand for all of the leaders is their bigger inclusion with all the people of Mitrovica because we’ve had enough incidents and it is time for every one to behave correctly as human beings. I am really tired of this bridge which always is the main topic in every discussion. Today afternoon, I will have a meeting with my men to talk about the security aspect. I want to see integration and a safer engagement in both parts of Mitrovica. We will try to reopen this bridge as soon as possible”, said Schook

Comment: And for the grand finale…..any questions about this……..

Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia approve draft accord on regional oil pipeline
27/09/2006
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/newsbriefs/setimes/newsbriefs/2006/09/27/nb-08
TIRANA, Albania -- Meeting on Tuesday (26 September), Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia and the US-based AMBO Corporation endorsed the text of a trilateral agreement on construction of the regional Bourgas-Vlore oil pipeline. The document, spelling out rules for exploitation, allocation of revenues and ecological standards, must be now approved by the legislatures of the three Balkan states.
Discussions regarding the $1.2 billion project, seen as an alternative route to ship Caspian crude oil to Europe, started in 1994 but implementation has been delayed repeatedly due to uncertainties about demand. (Albanian News - 27/09/06; Mediapool, A1 TV - 26/09/06)


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