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Beijing secretly fires lasers to disable US satellites
telegraph ^ | 26/09/2006 | Francis Harris

Posted on 09/28/2006 9:46:54 AM PDT by mucho muchacho

Edited on 09/29/2006 12:19:05 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

China has secretly fired powerful laser weapons designed to disable American spy satellites by "blinding" their sensitive surveillance devices, it was reported yesterday.

The hitherto unreported attacks have been kept secret by the Bush administration for fear that it would damage attempts to co-opt China in diplomatic offensives against North Korea and Iran.


(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; india
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1 posted on 09/28/2006 9:46:55 AM PDT by mucho muchacho
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To: mucho muchacho

D*mn. Y'know, to hit a satellite, they'd have to use really big sharks.


2 posted on 09/28/2006 9:47:47 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: mucho muchacho

Where's my tinfoil hat?


3 posted on 09/28/2006 9:48:02 AM PDT by Lekker 1 (("...the world will be...eleven degrees colder by the year 2000" -- K. Watt, Earth Day, 1970)
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To: mucho muchacho

Maybe our satellites could accidentally drop a crowbar?


4 posted on 09/28/2006 9:48:36 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Muslims - The "flesh eating bacteria" version of humans.)
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To: mucho muchacho
Sources told the military affairs publication Defense News that there had been a fierce internal battle within Washington over whether to make the attacks public. In the end, the Pentagon's annual assessment of the growing Chinese military build-up barely mentioned the threat.

What sources? When was the Annual Assessment published?
5 posted on 09/28/2006 9:49:46 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: mucho muchacho

Did Bubba give them the laser technology too?


6 posted on 09/28/2006 9:52:27 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: mucho muchacho

Well, c'mon, this is serious $h*t--and we're not saying anything because of Korea. Nothing is going to happen with North Korea as long as Kim Jong Mentally Ill is still in power. I say let's become a bit like the Chinese and instead of the USA call ourselves United Machiavellian States.


7 posted on 09/28/2006 9:52:47 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (Ya can take da kid outta Brooklyn--butchya can't take Brooklyn outta da kid)
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To: mucho muchacho

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1710035/posts

Discusses Bill Clinton's Big Birthday Bash, which is the real reason the Chinese are shooting these colorful lasers. It's the least the Chinese can do for Bill, seeing as he provided them with so much secret technology.


8 posted on 09/28/2006 9:52:58 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet
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To: mucho muchacho

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/dod-2003.pdf

The report I found is from July 2003! Gee, ya think maybe this is a bad source? Yeah, pretty much...


9 posted on 09/28/2006 9:53:24 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: MarineBrat
Maybe our satellites could accidentally drop a crowbar?

How 'bout a 10 megaton crowbar?

"Ooops, soooo solly honorable survivors of former great city of Beijing, Amelican technicians were aiming for Pyongyang North Korea, but unexpected laser device blinded aiming mechanism, we get signal, but we miss target. So velly solly, and do have a nice life, whatever is left of it."
10 posted on 09/28/2006 9:55:22 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: mucho muchacho

um why is this not an act of war?


11 posted on 09/28/2006 9:55:34 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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Isn't firing at a US satelite one of the things that started the military confrontation between America and the Soviets in the movie, "2010"?


12 posted on 09/28/2006 9:56:15 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Walkingfeather
um why is this not an act of war?

Because.

13 posted on 09/28/2006 9:56:38 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Walkingfeather

Because all our cheap plastic crap comes from there, and we don't want to p!$$ them off.


14 posted on 09/28/2006 9:56:49 AM PDT by 50sDad (ST3d: Real Star Trek 3d Chess: http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~abartmes/tactical.htm)
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To: Walkingfeather

Come on now. They haven't actually shot down one of satellites yet. These are tests and wargames, things that we do all the time as well.


15 posted on 09/28/2006 9:57:54 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: zarf
um why is this not an act of war?

Because.

And that's the way it is.

16 posted on 09/28/2006 9:58:48 AM PDT by evad (sarcasm may be introduced at any moment of any post)
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To: mkjessup

That'll give new meaning to, "All Your Base Are Belong To Us". lol


17 posted on 09/28/2006 9:59:01 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: mucho muchacho

I am told that NORAD actually pays the Russians for lidar (laser radar) data on third party satellites. The U.S. cannot illuminate a foreign satellite with lidar, for fear opening a can of worms, like this. Lidar data is extremely accurate, so we pay the Ruskies for data they are collecting anyway.

The U.S. has used lidar to track U.S. owned assets.

Strange world.


18 posted on 09/28/2006 9:59:46 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: jpl

"Come on now. They haven't actually shot down one of satellites yet."

Well, it is all part of the context equation. If they disable a U.S. satellite, where it floats around for the next billion years useless in orbit, I think that is an attack on a sovereign state. Nothing in orbit is really going to be shot down. Maybe they can put a little mirror on the camera lens and direct the laser down to Kim's, Ronco sprayed bald patch.


19 posted on 09/28/2006 10:01:37 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

"Maybe they can put a little mirror on the camera lens and direct the laser down to Kim's, Ronco sprayed bald patch."

Kim (looking over reports with generals): An den we can keel da students in dis town, and YEEEOWWWWWWWW!!!!!!! Wa da hell waz DAT????
General: Honorable Kim sir, your head ees on fire.


20 posted on 09/28/2006 10:03:21 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: mucho muchacho
Now I know why my dish network went out.
I was blaming the heavy thunder storm we were having.
21 posted on 09/28/2006 10:04:17 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: RandallFlagg

Isn't firing at a US satelite one of the things that started the military confrontation between America and the Soviets in the movie, "2010"?


I haven't heard of this movie.


22 posted on 09/28/2006 10:05:26 AM PDT by wastedyears (Give me Liberty or give me DEATH)
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To: Froufrou
From your pdf link:

In addition, China already may possess the capability to damage, under specific conditions, optical sensors on satellites that are very vulnerable to damage by lasers. Beijing also may have acquired high-energy laser equipment and technical assistance, which probably could be used in the development of ground-based ASAT weapons. Given China's current level of interest in laser technology, Beijing probably could develop a weapon that could destroy satellites in the future. Although specific Chinese programs for a laser ASAT system have not been identified, press articles indicate an interest in developing this capability.

China is believed to be conducting research and development on a direct-ascent ASAT system that could be fielded in the 2005-2010 timeframe. Scholarly articles published by Chinese scientists in technical journals have reported indigenous research on "space interceptors," which they say can be used to destroy targets in space. June 2002 Chinese magazine article suggested that China should “concentrate on intensifying research of the key technologies in anti-satellite weapons that attack ground and space bases (especially ground bases), and as quickly as possible develop one or two anti-satellite weapons that are useful as a deterrent against enemy space systems, in order to gain the initiative in future space wars.” A Hong Kong newspaper article in January 2001 reported that China had developed and tested an ASAT system described as a “parasitic microsatellite.” Although this claim cannot be confirmed, a number of countries, including China, are developing and proliferating microsatellite (10- to 100-kg mass) and nanosatellite (1- to 10-kg mass) technologies. 36

23 posted on 09/28/2006 10:07:24 AM PDT by b4its2late (I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.)
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To: evad; zarf
um why is this not an act of war? Because. And that's the way it is.

So there.
24 posted on 09/28/2006 10:07:55 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
There's no question that the issue of space, especially the earth orbital areas, will become a major issue in the years and decades ahead.

Eventually in all likelihood international treaties of some kind will need to be formed, kind of like what exist for the seas and shorelines now.

25 posted on 09/28/2006 10:09:39 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: b4its2late

So, it's old news. What can we do and what have we done?

I forget, are we talking about immigration again? [/s]


26 posted on 09/28/2006 10:10:07 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: wastedyears

It was the sequel to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Good effects, lame leftist slant.


27 posted on 09/28/2006 10:11:04 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

Okay cool, I looked it up online.


28 posted on 09/28/2006 10:12:09 AM PDT by wastedyears (Give me Liberty or give me DEATH)
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To: jpl

They should include Orson Scott Card.


29 posted on 09/28/2006 10:12:27 AM PDT by wastedyears (Give me Liberty or give me DEATH)
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To: Froufrou
>>>Gee, ya think maybe this is a bad source? <<<

Not sure you read your own source. Page 36/37 confirms that the Chinese were developing anti-satellite (ASAT) lasers in 2003.

Looks like a good source to me - and the Telegraph ( and mucho muchacho) got it right.

or perhaps I just don't get your brand of sarcasm?

30 posted on 09/28/2006 10:17:01 AM PDT by HardStarboard (Hey, march some more - its helping get the wall built!)
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To: HardStarboard

My point was that it's not new. I get miffed when media trot out stuff like it's hot off the press and it isn't.


31 posted on 09/28/2006 10:20:13 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Frank_Discussion

"Fricken sharks with fricken lasers on their heads"


32 posted on 09/28/2006 10:22:00 AM PDT by PaForBush
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To: mucho muchacho

US Reply: "You got me, pardner. Cain't see a thang! Shoot, now we'll never know what's a goin' on down there. Heck, you'll probly be able to try an' do all sorts of stuff, an' we'll never know it. Dang, you guys sure are smart!"

(The above monologue works best if you use the voice of Slim Pickens)


33 posted on 09/28/2006 10:24:29 AM PDT by GreenAccord (I'm GreenAccord and I approved of this message)
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To: HardStarboard

I have a theory that rehashing old news stories is a very good way to manipulate public opinion. And I think it's unsavory.


34 posted on 09/28/2006 10:25:44 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: mucho muchacho

"What in the wide, wide, world of sports in going on here?!"


35 posted on 09/28/2006 10:30:35 AM PDT by Joy in the Journey (http://journeywithjoy.blogspot.com/)
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To: Walkingfeather

Because officials don't want to piss off or hurt big business. That or they are too stupid to see what is going on, or could it be that they are too afraid of China?


36 posted on 09/28/2006 10:38:16 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: mucho muchacho

We'll be at war with China and/or Russia in this quarter-century unless we wake up fast and begin to do things to dissuade them.

The first order of business is to not depend on either of them for anything diplomatically or regarding military supplies, etc. They are our enemies, even if we're not in a shooting war. Proceed as if they're opposed to us, because they usually are anyway. That'll fix the problem of having to kiss their Red Commie arses for a stinking UN vote.

Second, we need to build up our military considerably. A nation MUST have reserves, and our nation especially needs them. We no longer live in a world where the oceans provide significant protection. As such, while having allies is nice, we have to plan on being attacked first (kind of like the Japanese did to us 65 years ago...hello!!). This means that we'll have no time to do a massive build-up like in WW2, which problem is exacerbated by the fact that we have some very high-tech equipment with long production lead times. We need to have large reserves of equipment, of spare parts, of critical parts needed for new production (most especially if those parts are sourced outside of the US or at only 1 factory in the US), of POL reserves and of ammunition and missiles from the level of the common infantryman up to the strategic level...and I don't mean reserves for a small war lasting 90 days against some theoretical Shitholestan where flush toilets are considered high tech. Nope, I mean a big war against the Russkies or Red Chinese where half of our troops, equipment and supplies are presumed to be destroyed immediately. Having such reserves will be expensive, but it will deter a war - and the first day or two of a serious war will be far more expensive than years of hoarding equipment and supplies.

Third, we need to show the rest of the world, most especially our enemies and potential enemies, that we have the WILL to use our forces. Having the greatest military machine in world history is meaningless if the C-in-C isn't willing to use it (remember that disloyal, naive oaf, Carter?), or so handcuffs our troops that we cut our effectiveness dramatically (like Somalia or now in Iraq). Start by changing the rules of engagement in Iraq -NOW- to a set where prevailing in battle and saving the lives of our soldiers is the first priority, and saving civilian lives and infrastructure is less important.

Regarding these lasers, my solution is to find some way to hit back at the Chinese. It shouldn't be that public - because the loss of face by the Chinese could cause them to go to war. Do something that let's them know that a) we know what they're doing and b) that we're not going to get poked in the eye without responding appropriately. EMP one of their satellites, blow up a refinery on the Chinese mainland, sink a ship, destroy an ammo dump, etc., each in such a way as to be relatively undetectable - but always do it a day, 2 days or a week after they blind a satellite. Be consistent in the timing, and it won't take them very long to connect the dots. Shortly thereafter, they'll stop.

If we don't do these things (especially those things showing our willingness to engage them using force), then we'll bring on a war just as surely as appeasement led to the invasion of Poland. The cost of failure will be measured in the tens of millions of lives, and the placing of our freedom at risk.


37 posted on 09/28/2006 10:41:18 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: PaForBush

'xactly. Heh.


38 posted on 09/28/2006 10:55:47 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: GreenAccord
If the ChiComs keep it up, we'll have to send in the inspectors:


39 posted on 09/28/2006 10:58:01 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: mucho muchacho
Beijing secretly fires lasers to disable US satellites

Thank you Beijing.

When we go full-bore in militarizing our space work, we can confidently
and honestly say:
"We didn't start the conflict in space. But we will finish it."

Looks like time for really energizing the "High Frontier" programs again.
40 posted on 09/28/2006 10:58:32 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Frank_Discussion

Ha!

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=346362


41 posted on 09/28/2006 11:01:19 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: mucho muchacho

'Didn't I tell you guys not to be playin' games on the aircraft?"


42 posted on 09/28/2006 11:01:25 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Shellback, pollywogs! 1980)
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To: Walkingfeather
um why is this not an act of war?

Because it reads: China has secretly fired powerful laser weapons designed to disable American spy satellites.

Rather than: China has secretly fired powerful laser weapons at American spy satellites.

 


43 posted on 09/28/2006 11:19:05 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: HawaiianGecko
I guess you did not read the article, considering your statement. The article clearly states:

According to senior American officials: "China not only has the capability, but has exercised it." American satellites like the giant (USA) Keyhole craft have come under attack "several times" in recent years.
44 posted on 09/28/2006 11:29:06 AM PDT by LM_Guy
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To: LM_Guy

You're right I didn't read the whole article. Thanks.


45 posted on 09/28/2006 11:46:57 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: mucho muchacho
Bayh (Dim of Indiana) said on Fox News that electronic components used in our Smart Bombs are made in China. If this is true, it is both dangerous and humiliating.

In any case, China has us over a barrell in so many ways that some day they're going to roll us, and it's going to hurt. Meantime, Wal-Mart shoppers, snap up those bargains.

46 posted on 09/28/2006 12:32:28 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: mkjessup
How 'bout a 10 megaton crowbar?

If we're going to drop one, lets drop one on Moscow first. With the Cold War supposedly over, people tend to forget the Ruskies still have enough nuclear missles aimed at America to destroy every US city.

"Nghett!" .... "my uhpologeez to dah Drhushian people!!" .... "no more Vwudkah, but whee muoost dremoov gdrobal thdret !!"

47 posted on 09/28/2006 1:50:51 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: GreenAccord; Frank_Discussion

Slim Pickens was a great cultural icon.


48 posted on 09/28/2006 1:53:43 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: mucho muchacho

Surprise, surprise. Not.


49 posted on 09/28/2006 1:54:42 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Walkingfeather
um why is this not an act of war?

Because they own our debt and make cheap stuff for us to buy? That's my guess.
50 posted on 09/28/2006 1:57:03 PM PDT by mysterio
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