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Muslims agree it was wrong to silence Mozart opera
Daily Mail ^ | September 28, 2006

Posted on 09/28/2006 6:51:19 PM PDT by Kaslin

German opera chiefs who cancelled a Mozart opera for fear of offending Muslims were hit by a furious backlash yesterday.

The country's leader Angela Merkel condemned the decision as 'self-censorship out of fear' - and even Muslim leaders apparently agreed the show should be reinstated.

At a summit of religious leaders and security chiefs, the two sides decided they may go to see the show together, according to interior minister Wolfgang Schaeuble.

Last night pressure was on Berlin's Deutsche Oper to reverse its decision to cancel the production of Idomeneo. The company was said to be monitoring developments. Deutsche Oper announced on Tuesday that it had scrapped its staging of the opera because of a scene in which the severed head of the prophet Mohammed rolls on to the stage.

The depiction posed an 'incalculable security risk' for the theatre, they said, and four performances planned for November were replaced by The Marriage of Figaro and La Traviata.

The company clearly feared the kind of violent outbursts triggered earlier this month when the Pope quoted a medieval writer's view of Islam as 'evil and inhuman'.

His words led to worldwide protests and a nun was shot dead in Somalia. Similarly last year cartoons of Mohammed in a Danish newspaper caused violent Muslim protests around the world.

Deutsche Oper had been advised by police that the production could be inflammatory. But its decision to cancel outraged Germany's artistic and cultural elite and touched off a row which reached the highest echelons of government.

'I think the cancellation was a mistake,' said Chancellor Merkel. 'I think self-censorship does not help us against people who want to practise violence in the name of Islam. It makes no sense to retreat.'

The controversy is over a scene in the epilogue, where Idomeneo, the king of Crete, comes on stage with a bloody sack in his hand. He pulls the heads of Poseidon, Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed out of the sack and places them triumphantly on four chairs.

Mozart's opera, premiered in 1781, addresses human resistance to making sacrifices to the gods, but the controversial scene is a departure from the original and is the interpretation of the Berlin production's director, Hans Neuenfels.

The timing of yesterday's meeting between politicians and leaders of the country's 3million Muslims was particularly opportune.

Organised with a more general agenda of bringing Muslims and Christians closer together, it found itself debating a hotly topical issue.

Mr Schaeuble said there had been differences of opinion at the summit, which was intended 'to achieve results, not exchange pleasantries'. But he said the one thing participants agreed on was

the opera cancellation should be reversed.

His interpretation of Muslim feeling, however, appeared at odds with a statement from the leader of Germany's Islamic Council, who welcomed the cancellation of the opera saying it 'could certainly offend Muslims'.

Integration has become a priority for the German government as concern grows about Islamic radicalisation across Europe and the emergence of an underclass of disillusioned young Muslims, mainly Turks, in Germany.

Organisers of the summit were not available to comment on reports that all participants had been invited to a snack after the meeting, even though it is Ramadan, when Muslims fast from dawn to dusk.


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1 posted on 09/28/2006 6:51:20 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Right.


2 posted on 09/28/2006 6:53:36 PM PDT by CAWats (Post to Free Republic without knowing HTML. Click my name.)
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To: Kaslin

I guess that means we get a go ahead for all the Mohamhead cartoons we want? *-o(:~{>


3 posted on 09/28/2006 6:56:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Kaslin

Is this 'Scrappleface' or 'Onion'?


4 posted on 09/28/2006 6:57:06 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: cripplecreek
*-o(:~{>

Heh. Uh oh; now I'm on the islamofascist death list, too.

5 posted on 09/28/2006 6:59:06 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
I'ts "ScrappleOnionFace".

Or maybe it's Reuters. It is becoming increasingly difficult to discern any difference between the two.

L

6 posted on 09/28/2006 6:59:43 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
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To: cripplecreek

Hey, Jack!
Which way's Mecca?




7 posted on 09/28/2006 7:00:15 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: hsalaw
Step aside, I'm moving to the front of the line.

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8 posted on 09/28/2006 7:01:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Kaslin
"... four performances planned for November were replaced by The Marriage of Figaro and La Traviata."

Sounds like better judgment prevailed.

9 posted on 09/28/2006 7:01:42 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: Kaslin

Prediction: They stage the opera, but censor the offending scenes.

Then they claim they heroicly stood up for free speach.


10 posted on 09/28/2006 7:03:33 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL!!


11 posted on 09/28/2006 7:04:08 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Kaslin
I thought they were complaining about "Abduction from the Seraglio." Mighty fine piece of work.

Highlights the common Muslim practice of raiding the Italian coast and snatching good-looking specimens right off the beach. Not exactly ancient history. Persisted into the early 19thC.

12 posted on 09/28/2006 7:04:29 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What does it matter if we’re all dead, as long as the French respect us.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I was gonna ask... a question for you opera buffs. What does Ideomideo (sorry, can't spell) have to do with Mohammed or Jesus anyway?


13 posted on 09/28/2006 7:08:41 PM PDT by rpgdfmx
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To: cripplecreek

Mo-bomb-head.


14 posted on 09/28/2006 7:10:15 PM PDT by Eddie01 (please let me know if I missed anything)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
No it's real. The scene what the company was afraid to show showed the severed head of Mohamed and Budda


15 posted on 09/28/2006 7:13:13 PM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: Lurker

No it's for real, but thank GOD saner heads prevailed


16 posted on 09/28/2006 7:14:31 PM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: Kaslin

I'm suprised that the Muzzies didn't riot because they were deprived of the opportunity to be offended.


18 posted on 09/28/2006 7:25:26 PM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: Kaslin

I prefer Don Giovanni.


19 posted on 09/28/2006 7:31:41 PM PDT by Norman Bates
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To: Norman Bates

Actually I prefer The Wedding Of Figaro


20 posted on 09/28/2006 7:34:46 PM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: Kaslin

Marriage of Figaro


21 posted on 09/28/2006 7:36:33 PM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: cripplecreek

OMG! LOL!!!


22 posted on 09/28/2006 7:36:51 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Gun owners have illustrated rights are individual and can be protected by individuals.)
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To: Kaslin

***Muslims agree it was wrong to silence Mozart opera***

After all, there is plenty of time to do that AFTER they take over!


23 posted on 09/28/2006 7:38:09 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter))
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To: Redcloak

Why does anyone in the civilized world need permission form the pedophilic religion of peace to do anything? Just discuses me no end.


24 posted on 09/28/2006 7:42:18 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Redcloak
"I'm suprised that the Muzzies didn't riot because they were deprived of the opportunity to be offended."

LOL. Clever!

25 posted on 09/28/2006 7:45:47 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Abduction from the Seraglio

The Abduction is a wonderful opera. Is it better than Don Giovanni? hmmm...not sure.

26 posted on 09/28/2006 7:46:53 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: All
Here is the plot of the Opera

Act I

Island of Crete. Ilia, daughter of King Priam, loves Prince Idamante, son of Idomeneo, but she hesitates to acknowledge her love. Idamante frees the Trojan prisoners. He tells Ilia, who is rejecting his love, that it is not his fault that their fathers were enemies. Trojans and Cretans together welcome the return of peace, but Elettra, jealous of Ilia, does not approve of Idamante's clemency toward the enemy prisoners. Arbace, the king's confidant, brings news that Idomeneo has been lost at sea while returning to Crete. Elettra, fearing that Ilia, a Trojan, soon will be Queen of Crete, feels the furies of Hades tormenting her.

On a deserted seashore, after the shipwreck, Idomeneo recalls the vow he made to Neptune -- to sacrifice, if he arrived safe, the first living creature he meets on shore. Idamante approaches him, but because the two have not seen each other for a long time, recognition is difficult. When Idomeneo realizes the youth is his own child, he orders Idamante never to seek him out again. Grief-stricken by his father's rejection, Idamante runs off. Cretan troops disembarking from Idomeneo's ship are met by their wives, and all praise Neptune.

Act II

At the king's palace, Idomeneo seeks counsel from Arbace, who says another victim could be sacrificed if Idamante were sent into exile. Idomeneo orders his son to escort Elettra to her home, Argos. Idomeneo's kind words to Ilia move her to declare that since she has lost everything, he will be her father and Crete her country. As she leaves, Idomeneo realizes that sending Idamante into exile has cost Ilia her happiness as well as his own. Elettra welcomes the idea of going to Argos with Idamante.

At the port of Sidon, Idomeneo bids his son farewell and urges him to learn the art of ruling while he is away. Before the ship can sail, however, a storm breaks out, and a sea serpent appears. Recognizing it as a messenger from Neptune, the king offers himself as atonement for having violated his vow to the god.

Act III

In the royal garden, Ilia asks the breezes to carry her love to Idamante, who appears, explaining that he must go to fight the serpent. When he says he may as well die as suffer the torments of his rejected love, Ilia confesses her love. They are surprised by Elettra and Idomeneo. When Idamante asks his father why he sends him away, Idomeneo can only reply that the youth must leave. Ilia asks for consolation from Elettra, who is preoccupied with revenge. Arbace comes with news that the people, led by the High Priest of Neptune, are clamoring for Idomeneo. The High Priest tells the king of the destruction caused by Neptune's monster, urging Idomeneo to reveal the name of the person whose sacrifice is demanded by the god. When the king confesses that his own son is the victim, the populace is horrified.

Outside the temple, the king and High Priest join with Neptune's priests in prayer that the god may be appeased. Arbace brings news that Idamante has killed the monster. As Idomeneo fears new reprisals from Neptune, Idamante enters in sacrificial robes, saying he understands his father's torment and is ready to die. After an agonizing farewell, Idomeneo is about to sacrifice his son when Ilia intervenes, offering her own life instead. The Voice of Neptune is heard. Idomeneo must yield the throne to Ilia and Idamante. Everyone is relieved except Elettra, who longs for her own death. Idomeneo presents Idamante and his bride as the new rulers. The people call upon the god of love and marriage to bless the royal pair and bring peace.

27 posted on 09/28/2006 7:48:06 PM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: Kaslin
Surely it wasn't THESE Muslims (the Paleolithic variety):


28 posted on 09/28/2006 7:58:54 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democrats. French, but more cowardly.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Highlights the common Muslim practice of raiding the Italian coast and snatching good-looking specimens right off the beach. Not exactly ancient history. Persisted into the early 19thC.

Can't really blame them:


29 posted on 09/28/2006 8:03:54 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democrats. French, but more cowardly.)
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To: Kaslin
The country's leader Angela Merkel condemned the decision as 'self-censorship out of fear'

Why, nothing at all to fear. Muslims have a great sense of humor and probably would have been rolling int the isles during the scene!

30 posted on 09/28/2006 8:05:11 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Kaslin
Organisers of the summit were not available to comment on reports that all participants had been invited to a snack after the meeting, even though it is Ramadan, when Muslims fast from dawn to dusk.

Ramadan, Schmamadan, I hope they served ham sandwiches and beer.

31 posted on 09/28/2006 8:18:26 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: ladyjane
.....better than Don Giovanni

No,nothing's better than Don Giovanni, some things are just more fun.

32 posted on 09/28/2006 8:18:43 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What does it matter if we’re all dead, as long as the French respect us.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

I will never be able to counter those arguments!


33 posted on 09/28/2006 8:20:51 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What does it matter if we’re all dead, as long as the French respect us.)
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To: rpgdfmx
What does Ideomideo (sorry, can't spell) have to do with Mohammed or Jesus anyway?

We will answer that question when the Muslims turn out a Mozart. Or a Bo Diddly. After the worthy oriental gentlemen finished wrecking the libraries of Byzantium, they were never heard from, culturally speaking, again.

Muslims need to be seriously smitten hip and thigh, every 200 years or so. Unfortunately, many, many millions of them must report to their happy hunting grounds to pick up their virgins before we have any peace again.

It's dirty work, but some has to do it. Looks like it's our turn.

34 posted on 09/28/2006 8:29:46 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What does it matter if we’re all dead, as long as the French respect us.)
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To: Kaslin
"Muslims agree it was wrong to silence Mozart opera"

Muslims did not silence the Mozart opera, all they did was speak out, then the cowardly Germans did it to themselves. Oh how I wish that Western Europe would find its heritage of bravery, toughness and pride, and then put an end to the "Eurabia" problem.

35 posted on 09/28/2006 8:33:21 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: EternalHope
Prediction: They stage the opera, but censor the offending scenes.

Then they claim they heroicly stood up for free speach.

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Good idea. Why don't they rewrite the scene where Mohammad cuts the heads of Poseidon, Jesus and Buddha off instead of the protagonist. That way more muslim viewers will attend, and no one will be offended. (smile)
36 posted on 09/28/2006 8:41:54 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: Kaslin

As a Jew I think Jews should demand that Moses' severed head should replace that of Neptune. How dare a German opera be so anti-Semetic as to exclude a beheaded Jewish prophet!


37 posted on 09/28/2006 8:49:49 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Redcloak
I'm suprised that the Muzzies didn't riot because they were deprived of the opportunity to be offended.

Don't give them any ideas.

38 posted on 09/28/2006 8:50:08 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Kaslin; Dog Gone; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; dalereed; tubebender

Once again, Rush Limbaugh called it correctly "premptive capitulation" by the Germans.


39 posted on 09/28/2006 8:51:57 PM PDT by SierraWasp (To be fair, Bill Clinton did more than any other President to protect us from the Branch Davidians!)
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To: Kaslin
....and all praise Neptune.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch ......

40 posted on 09/28/2006 9:03:10 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What does it matter if we’re all dead, as long as the French respect us.)
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To: Kaslin

Now how long will this go on? Will Germany be self censoring itself into the next century? If the west doesn't hurry up and win this long war all cultural references to Islam will be on the debating table for years to come. If some recent Mozart writes an opera about Islam (where the camels all sing three part harmonies) will he be given a fair sheik... I mean a fair shake? It is all well and fine for the west to present the piss christ as the next big artistic mega culpa movement, highlighting clever insights into the morass... nay, into the fatuous deluge of bleeding heart religious culture, but try it with Islam... I mean if you spell Mohammad's name wrong there will riots in the street! So, when will the insanity stop!


41 posted on 09/28/2006 9:40:52 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Kaslin

May this be the start of the Muslim and Christian worlds living in peace. I can only hope and pray.

If that doesn't work then I guess we need to to bomb them back to the stone age (that is only a couple years before what they are living now).

NO2


42 posted on 09/28/2006 11:04:20 PM PDT by No2much3 (I did not ask for this user name, but I will keep it !)
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To: Kaslin

They are both mighty fine but only stepping to stones to 'Die Zauberflote'. DZ is the apotheosis of Mozart's operas, the greatest opera ever composed in the history of opera. Heck, even Beethoven agreed.


43 posted on 09/28/2006 11:10:47 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

The fabulous Sophia Loren was great in "El Cid," a movie that should be re-released today.


44 posted on 09/29/2006 12:10:42 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Kaslin

The Huns - either at your throats or at your feet.


45 posted on 09/29/2006 1:12:29 AM PDT by Stallone (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror.)
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To: Kaslin
He pulls the heads of Poseidon, Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed out of the sack and places them triumphantly on four chairs.

Did Christians riot? After all, we know that Jesus's head is still attached to his body after the resurrection.

46 posted on 09/29/2006 9:00:33 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: rpgdfmx

Curiosity got the best of me, I confess. I put your Mr. Mtzbllke moniker in the search window and scrolled through several posts.

...Interesting, thoughtful, and for the most part (it seemed to me) well-informed. The guys in the jack boots will be after you in no time, LOOK OUT!

But this particular post/query about the opera never got a response, and I was curious myself, so here's the tip-off:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,439393,00.html

For some reason, this particular production (don't ask me if it's in the original libretto) features the severed head of Mohommed. Talk about your subtle turnabouts!


47 posted on 10/13/2006 7:31:09 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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