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Vietnam Nervous Over Emerging Pro-Democracy Voices
Radio Free Asia ^ | 9/29/06 | Tri Mi et al.

Posted on 09/29/2006 3:07:42 PM PDT by siddude

HANOI—Vietnamese authorities are increasingly concerned over growing support for a new dissident group known as Bloc 8406, which issued an impassioned plea for democratic reform to the ruling Communist Party earlier this year.

The group claims thousands of supporters, based on signatures collected throughout Vietnam to petition the authorities for political reforms. Among the signatories are former Vietnam People’s Army officer Tran Anh Kim and a prominent Catholic priest, Nguyen Van Ly.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hanoikerry; janefonda; johnkerry; kerry
I hope this portend to better things to come.
1 posted on 09/29/2006 3:07:43 PM PDT by siddude
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To: siddude

This ought to tick off Kerry and Jane Fonda.


2 posted on 09/29/2006 3:09:33 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

Yeah, I wonder what side they will be on if Viet Nam breaks out in a civil war. /S


3 posted on 09/29/2006 3:11:02 PM PDT by rocksblues (Liberals will stop at nothing.)
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To: Cementjungle

No doubt.


4 posted on 09/29/2006 3:11:04 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.)
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To: siddude

They know how to take care of that foolishness, Just kill them like before.


5 posted on 09/29/2006 3:14:25 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: siddude
Vietnamese authorities are increasingly concerned over growing support for a new dissident group known as Bloc 8406, which issued an impassioned plea for democratic reform to the ruling Communist Party earlier this year.

Not a problem for them. All they'll need to do is send in some tanks and slaughter the entire movement and the U.S. Government will step in and give them Most Favored Nation trading status.

Hey...it's what we did with China in 1989.

6 posted on 09/29/2006 3:17:03 PM PDT by Prime Choice (True Conservatives don't vote for Liberals just because they have an 'R' by their name.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

There is a difference now. America is watching and the VCs feel that intensely. America's approval is VN's key to the modern world and their security against China.The bosses probably understand that some political democracy is inevitible and necessary but they are quite at a loss as to how to design( and this sort cannot imagine not "designing" it) it withour losing their own positions. It is contradictory. I hope what what is happening there now will play out in the manner that it did in Korea. The government is not that much different from Park Chung Hee's government. We had more immediate leverage in Korea but it is pretty strong in VN also. I hope we are making our views forcefully known to the VCs.


7 posted on 09/29/2006 3:23:43 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero

No deals with Charlie!


8 posted on 09/29/2006 3:26:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: rocksblues

Why the sarcasm tag? It's a legitimate question. :)


9 posted on 09/29/2006 3:26:20 PM PDT by ark_girl
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To: Chu Gary; angkor; Nam Vet; Byron_the_Aussie; .cnI redruM; Yardstick; cyborg; em2vn; Khurkris; ...

ping


10 posted on 09/29/2006 3:29:27 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: siddude

This actually presents a paradox in Vietnam. Since most activities are legal except political ones, the typical Vietnamese on the street is not vehemently opposed to the government.

So all it really takes is for the current government to realize that if there is democratic change, the end result will most likely be, of all things, the status quo.

Then all they will have to do is split the current government in half, with very similar platforms, and the powerful remain in power, the public is contented, the radicals of all types are still annoyed, change is incremental and pleasantly slow, and the business of Vietnam returns to being business. Everybody wins.

A similar situation existed in Saudi Arabia. They were terrified of the radical nature of democracy until they tried just a little of it at a low level. The public shocked the government by voting for what the government wanted, the status quo, in a dull election. If anything, the public were a tad more conservative than the government. The end result was that the government was thrilled, and have a new confidence that their next baby step towards democracy won't cause chaos, arson and riots in the streets.

So if Vietnam allows just an experiment, at a low level, they too might be pleasantly surprised.

In China, however, even though the concept of voting has spread everywhere, the government is so caught up in the fear that they may not be able to learn the easy way.


11 posted on 09/29/2006 3:29:45 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: Popocatapetl

Very interesting comment. Thanks.


12 posted on 09/29/2006 3:35:15 PM PDT by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: rocksblues

I think John F'in Kerry will be for them, before he goes against them.




No, really!


13 posted on 09/29/2006 3:37:55 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (God Bless the United States of America and all that defend her hard earned freedom!)
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To: Popocatapetl

You almost sound like you have been there. If VN announced free elections for a parliament and president to take place in 6 months, yes, the current crowd would probably mostly still be in power but they would be in a new situation and would find that they would have to be responsive to the voters rather than the committees. If democracy is accompanied by extensive market rationalization and reform the corruption will subside drastically. Market reform and ending government interference in the market is the key. Divesting the banks, if it is real and not just for show, is a major first step.


14 posted on 09/29/2006 3:40:47 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ark_girl

I did it as a joke.


15 posted on 09/29/2006 3:42:23 PM PDT by rocksblues (Liberals will stop at nothing.)
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To: rocksblues

So did I. ;)


16 posted on 09/29/2006 3:46:06 PM PDT by ark_girl
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To: ThanhPhero

If Vietnam were so bold as to create a six month plan, I would not expect it to succeed. The revolutionary democracy you propose would most likely only take root in a country utterly devastated, like Iraq. Otherwise, the people would likely not support it.

The assumption has to be that while change is needed, there is a strong fear of chaos and violence. This is abhored by everyone, which creates a feeling of hesitation, of inertia, against change. For this reason, small steps as confidence building measures are far more likely to result in a peaceful evolution to democracy.

Openness and the absence of corruption would take many years to develop, even after democracy.


17 posted on 09/29/2006 4:43:37 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: Popocatapetl

The people are ready for major changes such as happende in Korea. Those changes were really not fundamental to the society as the market culture was already flourishing in Korea as it is in VIet Nam now with its concommitant extensive freedoms though they are not explicit and still subject to the occasional crackdown.


18 posted on 09/29/2006 6:11:20 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: All; siddude; ThanhPhero

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Fall of Democracy =


Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts


And it could all happen here.


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19 posted on 09/29/2006 11:00:35 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: siddude

saddle up ! looks like the seed that was planted years ago is starting to germinate.

I wonder if they'll look to the U.S. for help ?


20 posted on 09/30/2006 11:50:23 AM PDT by stylin19a (I'm not just long, I'm Lama long !)
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To: rocksblues

Thanks for asking. I think you have to count me among the optimists.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20060703-102900-2045r.htm

Honglien Do is my wife.

ThanhPhero means "Saint Peter." It is a screen name. Although he is a yank he is smart enough to really be an Asian. I agree with him about 90%.

Our big issue now is the remaining political prisoners. Our govt has been slow to "push" the CSVN govt so there are people like Mrs Foshee still in prison after a year. I think this is unsat. You might email your elected representatives on thsi issue.

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20060923-084007-3324r.htm

http://johnib.wordpress.com/


21 posted on 10/01/2006 8:19:44 AM PDT by John Carey
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To: rocksblues

http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20060703-102900-2045r.htm


22 posted on 10/01/2006 8:20:40 AM PDT by John Carey
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To: siddude

I only hope, fourty years from now, I don't have to read the following headline:

"Iraq Nervous Over Emerging Pro-Democracy Voices"

The liberals are dead bent on turning Iraq into another Vietnam. We can't let 'em.


23 posted on 10/01/2006 8:26:27 AM PDT by MWS (SO- Grandmaster VII°)
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