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Poll shows Virginia Senate race is dead heat (43-43, Mason-Dixon)
MSNBC ^ | 29 September 2006 | Sheldon Gweiser

Posted on 09/29/2006 5:32:48 PM PDT by okstate

NEW YORK - Incumbent Republican Senator George Allen and Democratic challenger Jim Webb are tied in the latest MSNBC/McClatchy poll conducted by Mason-Dixon. Each candidate received the support of 43 percent of likely voters in Virginia with 2 percent supporting a third candidate and 12 percent undecided.

The results represent a rapid change in support for Allen, who was once not only thought to be a safe bet for re-election but perhaps a candidate for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination.

If Allen were to lose, the chances of Democrats gaining control of the senate would be increased. The Democrats need a net gain of six seats to take over control of the Senate.

In July, Allen looked like a safe bet to hold the seat. He led Webb by a 16-point margin, 48 percent to 32 percent in a survey by the same pollster, Mason-Dixon. Allen’s lead shrunk to 4 points, 46 percent to 42 percent, earlier this month.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2006polls; allen; masondixon; msnbc; poll; polls; virginia; webb
This comes down to which pollster you believe. Survey USA has Allen up six, Mason-Dixon has it tied.

In 2004 both companies were extremely accurate -- one missed two states and the other missed only one; I forget which state was which.

VA Trendlines:
09-28 Survey USA ..... Allen +6
09-28 Mason-Dixon .... PUSH
09-26 Survey USA ..... Allen +5
09-12 Rasmussen ....... Allen +7
09-12 Survey USA ..... Allen +3
09-07 Mason-Dixon ... Allen +4

On Wednesday, Survey USA stated: "day-to-day data shows that the race is volatile. On Sunday 9/24, after Allen had been accused of using racial slurs in college, he led by 7 in SurveyUSA Sunday-only data . On Monday 9/25, after Allen strongly denied the accusations, he led by 11 in SurveyUSA Monday-only data. On Tuesday 9/26, after more people corroborated the accusations, Allen trailed Webb by 3 points, in Tuesday-only data. The 5-point Allen advantage shown here, when the 3 days of data are combined and averaged, cannot be considered stable."

Today Survey USA stated, "Day-to-day volatility remains very high. The 6-point Allen lead in today's results may change - but it appears as likely to change in one direction as the other."

1 posted on 09/29/2006 5:32:49 PM PDT by okstate
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To: Clintonfatigued

Mason-Dixon has the Allen-Webb race a tie


2 posted on 09/29/2006 5:33:17 PM PDT by okstate
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To: okstate

Why do I not believe this poll?


3 posted on 09/29/2006 5:34:08 PM PDT by Dodgers fan
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To: okstate

Allen will win. Period.


4 posted on 09/29/2006 5:34:42 PM PDT by Perdogg (If you stay home in November, you will elect Pelosi speaker)
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To: okstate

I see a pattern with all of those poll results and they are looking good! Allen is the reason I'm voting this year!!!!


5 posted on 09/29/2006 5:35:02 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: okstate

MSNB(S)C poll..'nuff said


6 posted on 09/29/2006 5:35:10 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: Perdogg
Allen will win. Period.

And if he doesn't, he's got noone to blame but himself.

7 posted on 09/29/2006 5:36:27 PM PDT by Salvey (ancest)
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To: okstate

So if "the election was held today," we'd have to have a runoff? Coin toss?


8 posted on 09/29/2006 5:50:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You can't defeat your enemy unless you are willing to get down in the mud with him.)
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To: okstate

Has Webb's Watts antics gotten widespread coverage yet?


9 posted on 09/29/2006 5:51:12 PM PDT by badpacifist (Al Gore was born 9 months after Roswell)
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To: okstate
Doesn't seem like Webb can get past the mid-40s no matter how much the MSM tries to create controversy about Allen.

I am thinking we are looking at a 55-45 Allen win come November.

10 posted on 09/29/2006 6:03:04 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: okstate
George Allen was just on Hannity and Colmes. He seems to be handling the racial issue well. If he can overcome all the hype from the MSM, he should do fine.

His opponent said that every person in the South has used the "N" word. I guess he thinks every Southernor is a racist, including the blacks.

11 posted on 09/29/2006 6:12:15 PM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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To: okstate

"The MSNBC/McClatchy Poll was conducted by telephone by Mason Dixon from Sept. 23 through Sept. 27. 625 likely voters were interviewed. Quotas were assigned to reflect voter turnout by county."

Strange results. I think the "county quota" thingy threw them off.


Terrible article to go with it too.


12 posted on 09/29/2006 6:19:12 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: okstate
A vote for Webb is a vote against this nation's security.

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13 posted on 09/29/2006 6:32:25 PM PDT by Mr.Smorch
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To: okstate

There's a strong possibility Allen loses And if he loses, it's over for the Republicans in the Senate.


14 posted on 09/29/2006 6:36:21 PM PDT by GianniV
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To: okstate

Not for long. The new N word stuff will blow back on webb and the Naval Academy ad is a killer.


15 posted on 09/29/2006 6:53:50 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (DON'T BELIEVE PESSIMISM: FEELINGS ARE FOR LOVE SONGS. FACTS ARE FOR PREDICTING WHO WINS IN NOV)
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To: okstate

I do not believe these numbers. These polling companies are mainly Liberal polling companies and I do have a problem believing them.


16 posted on 09/29/2006 6:54:50 PM PDT by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: georgepa

That is why I don't believe the numbers. I want to see how the poll was conducted, the questions asked and who was polled.


18 posted on 09/29/2006 7:34:42 PM PDT by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: Salvey
He'll win his Senate seat back.

As for President, forget it.

19 posted on 09/29/2006 7:37:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"He'll win his Senate seat back.
As for President, forget it."

I keep hearing that refrain, but I think it is bull.
Why don't you tell us who you are for?

McInsane? He's already toast.
Giulani, the multiple divorcee with liberal leanings?
Romney, who is saddled with the northeast Rino tag?
Or, maybe you are for Gingrich?

No, Allen is still in it, not necessarily because he is great but that the others have flaws too.


20 posted on 09/29/2006 7:45:01 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: okstate; fieldmarshaldj; RobFromGa; AntiGuv; zbigreddogz; dangus
This has become the mudslinging contest of the year. It probably takes into account charges that Allen used racial slurs against African-Americans in the 1970's, but was just before Webb was charged with the same thing when he was in the ROTC.
21 posted on 09/29/2006 7:53:18 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Nihilism is at the heart of Islamic culture)
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To: georgepa; Paige
Mason-Dixon usually has a bit of a GOP tilt.

But the problem with these numbers is that this poll was commissioned by PMSNBC. They've been bashing Allen for weeks.

The RATS and the media have a documented history of distorting the numbers.

Never forget that up until 7:00 p.m. (and some after) on Election Day in 2004, they were telling us Kerry would take Virginia. Bush won the state by 8 pts.

It may be closer than what SurveyUSA shows. But it's not a tie.

22 posted on 09/29/2006 7:57:34 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: okstate
A 'virtual tie' means we win by 3-5%. How many of the people who 'disapprove' of Allen calling people the 'n' word are going to show up at a polling place so they can vote for that other guy who.....who is that other guy again? Is he a democrat? Why are we supposed to vote for Webb again????
23 posted on 09/29/2006 8:18:52 PM PDT by bpjam (Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaida - The Religion of Peace)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Here's some 2004 data:

The final Mason-Dixon poll (also sponsored by MSNBC) of Virginia in 2004 had Bush up 6.

The final Survey USA poll of Virginia in 2004 had Bush up 4.

Bush won by 8 percent.

All Mason-Dixon polls are either sponsored by Knight Ridder Newspapers or MSNBC.

24 posted on 09/29/2006 8:32:30 PM PDT by okstate
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To: okstate

Where is the video of George Allen fleeing a burning church while dragging a person of color behind his F150?


26 posted on 09/30/2006 8:42:19 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: okstate; Corin Stormhands

Interesting how this poll was 'released' right after - thereby driving off media coverage of- the surveyusa one showing Allen's six point lead.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp-41702sy0oct01,0,2497057.story?coll=dp-news-local-final
" it was "embargoed" until Monday morning's editions. That meant that it couldn't be published until then, either on the Internet, on television or radio, or in print. In other words, nobody scoops anybody.

The embargo fell apart when the results were posted on Not Larry Sabato, a liberal Web log, about 3 p.m. Friday.

"Somebody must have called the Webb campaign for comment," said Brad Coker, who heads the Mason-Dixon polling operation. "I have to think that the Webb people talked to a blogger, and he posted it. "I presume it was them because they had the most to gain from the information."
Not me, said Steve Jarding, Webb's campaign manager. Jarding said he received the information by e-mail Friday afternoon..."


27 posted on 10/01/2006 9:54:21 AM PDT by mrsmith
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"Interesting how this poll was 'released' right after - thereby driving off media coverage of- the surveyusa one showing Allen's six point lead."

You totally reversed the spirit of the article, which was to show how much power blogs have over the old media, not the other way around. There's no conspiracy here, a blog broke the results and Chris Matthews read them on Hardball Friday night.

As for the Survey USA poll.. Mason-Dixon conducts polls for a national network and for a newspaper company with papers all over the country. Survey USA does polls for one TV station in a given area. Of course an M-D poll is gonna get more coverage than an SUSA poll.

28 posted on 10/01/2006 11:52:50 AM PDT by okstate
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To: okstate

I didn't "reverse" anything. What a bizarre reply, I wonder what is on your mind.

The liberal blogs and the media are not in conflict they are in co-hoots LOL!

As the article and I surmise the Webb campaign [or someone in the media] released the poll to the blog to drive coverage. The favorable Webb poll results were heavily trumpeted during the time they would have been embargoed and the other results would have been the "news".


29 posted on 10/01/2006 4:43:39 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
The Survey USA result never would have been national "news" because it was taken for a local TV station.

The Mason-Dixon result was going to be news, first because it was taken for a national news network, and secondly because ties are more interesting than less competitive results.

30 posted on 10/01/2006 4:50:45 PM PDT by okstate
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To: okstate

When they were released Monday.

Then they would have been "news".
Meanwhile the only "news" would be the other poll.


But a liberal on the Webb staff or in the media wanted to help Webb so they gave the results to the liberal blog to release.

The collusion is the story. The combination of the media and the internet left.

They didn't used to have an internet presence that could do this.


31 posted on 10/01/2006 4:58:30 PM PDT by mrsmith
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