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What ever happened to Russ and Dee?
The Russ and Dee Website ^ | September 29, 2006 | Russ Fine

Posted on 09/29/2006 8:30:47 PM PDT by holyscroller

The dust continues to settle. Many unsolicited emails and telephone calls from persons known to us as credible sources as well as from lots of folks with whom we are entirely unfamiliar have been received since we were fired, before finishing our show, this past Monday, September 25th.

Most of the messages have an eerily similar and now, all too familiar ring. The Grand Masonic Lodge of Alabama “gotcha fired.” It’s alright, scratch your head? As far-fetched as it might sound on the surface, the more one learns about the Masons of the Alabama Grand Lodge the more plausible the allegations. Actually, we’ve known they were at the heart of this from the get-go.

For nearly 20 years on the air, we’ve ALWAYS been controversial. We’re known for it. But, we earned that reputation. We never set out to be outrageous for the sake of ratings or simply to be outrageous. That was never it. We are ‘children of the 60s’ and for the good or for the ill, we never bought into the political survival mantra “to get along, go along.” Why? Like most other people, of all political stripes and ideologies, we have a rather accurate sense of that which is right and that which is wrong. To our detriment, it appears, this time our inability to keep our mouths shut when we know – with certainty – that something is wrong, very very wrong … has gotten us fired, in a chilling move to silence us and to keep the ugly truth away from others who can easily discern the difference between right and wrong.

This is not rocket science: Bob Riley is the Governor of Alabama. Bob Riley is running for re-election. The President of the United States came to Birmingham, yesterday, September 28th, to help raise more money for Riley’s re-election campaign.

However, that which the mainstream media fails to address or conveniently chooses to ignore is that Bob Riley is a Mason; a member of some rather majestic sounding group known as the Grand Lodge of Alabama. So far so good. No big deal. Lots of well-known people are Masons. But, when we learned and then exposed on our former morning drive radio talk show that Governor Bob Riley’s Grand Masonic Lodge discriminates against African Americans, by formal resolution … that they will not allow a black man to become a member … we knew that his affiliation –because he is the governor and wants to be the governor for four more years – was and is 100% wrong.

I sent the information and proof to the editorial page editor of Alabama’s largest newspaper. I sent it to their syndicated editorial cartoonist. Silence. I sent the information to the state’s most highly-regarded television news anchor (a personal friend of more than 20 years). Nothing from him except a note (after several more emails from me asking if he got my original information) that suggested “we need to go to dinner sometime and talk …” and “don’t forget to give my regards to Dee.” Finally, I emailed the newspaper guy and after overcoming his artful dodging, I finally got him to admit to me (in writing) that the fact the Governor of Alabama was a highly-regarded member of a fraternity that discriminates against people on the basis of their race bothered him as well as it bothered me. Shallow victory, because he has remained silent.

Anyway, the bottom line is that in Alabama, The Bad Guys won. The governor’s office declined to comment after 1 brave reporter from a local weekly newspaper confronted them with the allegation. They continue to dodge the question, but their silence is deafening.

You can connect the dots or you can ignore them. Doesn’t matter and it doesn’t alter the truth: The Governor of Alabama who is campaigning for re-election –who is asking all Alabamians for the privilege of representing and leading them – belongs to an organization that is racist. If an organization will not admit to membership a person because of their skin color and ethnicity, they are by definition, a racist organization. Doesn’t matter if they run hospitals and do charitable acts. So does Hezbollah. Doesn’t make ‘em good guys. It’s a very clever cover.

There is only one conclusion that can be drawn: The Grand Masonic Lodge of Alabama is racist. The Governor is a member. Is the Governor a racist ? You decide. He hasn’t resigned. Oh, and by the way, I’m worried about the President (for whom we voted twice and to whose re-election we contributed more money than we could afford). Could President Bush have possibly have known this about ‘Brother Riley’ before he came to Birmingham? Of course he knew. Now, assuming the President knew … and you know his advance people were made aware of the information on our site, you have to wonder why Riley hasn’t resigned from the Grand Lodge? And you have to wonder, why the President didn’t change his travel plans … or at least tell him to get out of the Grand Lodge or he wasn’t coming to Birmingham.

Like I said: It’s not rocket science … but it is a shameful disgrace. All Alabamians and most of all, all Masons should be very ashamed. I am.

Russ Fine A Disillusioned, Recovering Republican


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: alabama; censorship; masoniclodges; racism
In case you wondered, here's why they disappeared.
1 posted on 09/29/2006 8:30:51 PM PDT by holyscroller
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To: holyscroller

Nope, wasn't wondering. Both Russ and Dee are self-promoting, egomaniacal boobs.

Even in Russ's little tirade that is presumably about Gov. Riley, he can't help mentioning himself over and over.


2 posted on 09/29/2006 8:40:07 PM PDT by jra
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To: holyscroller
"But, when we learned and then exposed on our former morning drive radio talk show that Governor Bob Riley’s Grand Masonic Lodge discriminates against African Americans, by formal resolution … that they will not allow a black man to become a member …"

Total BS! There is no such resolution in Masonry! If these clowns had proof it would be bigger news than this.

3 posted on 09/29/2006 8:54:07 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: holyscroller
Yeah, I wonder. Tell me why these two honest and true and good Americans were abruptly removed from the airways after fifteen years of accurate commentary supporting the prime tenets of conservative America.

What? Did their opposition to Republican Governor Bob Riley who lied to the people of Alabama and proposed the greatest tax increase in the history of Alabama set their doom. But lying Bob Riley, sat politically, yesterday, smiling, right next to President Bush.

Yeah, I'd like to know. The understandable vendetta of Russ and Dee was the absurd hypocrisy of illegals aliens being legal in Alabama in a self-righteous modern day Republican world.

A pox on the Alabama Republicans.
4 posted on 09/29/2006 9:01:12 PM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"Total BS! There is no such resolution in Masonry! If these clowns had proof it would be bigger news than this."

Apparently they had to go way back to an 1876 resolution in this particular lodge's bylaws to make this accusation.


5 posted on 09/29/2006 9:15:50 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: holyscroller

It never fails to amaze me. Someone gets fired for whatever reason and the next thing you hear out of their mouths is “I was fired because of….”.

And the because of is never about them.

I found it most interesting that because the Grand Lodge of Alabama doesn’t allow African-Americans - aka men of color, aka ---- that one of their members must be a racist.

That is a jump and 11/10ths. Using the same criteria, ex-president Clinton is also a racist as are many many other key political figures (both historic and contemporary).

And, if you want to continue this stupid mud slinging campaign how many other stupid assertions can you make about almost anyone? But, the Lord help you if you make an accurate statement about one of the multitude of “protected sub-species” that inhabit the contemporary political scene!


6 posted on 09/29/2006 9:19:23 PM PDT by Nip (SPECTRE - taking out the enemy one terrorist at a time; at night; without warning or mercy)
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To: holyscroller

"Could President Bush have possibly have known this about ‘Brother Riley’ before he came to Birmingham? Of course he knew. "

It is the first question I would think of asking someone before coming to give a political speech. /sarc


7 posted on 09/29/2006 9:19:35 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood

Sheesh!


8 posted on 09/29/2006 9:19:59 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: holyscroller
I've listened to these boobs over the course of many years because there are not a whole lot of choices in the great City of Birmingham. They are nut jobs without a logical bone in their bodies as demonstrated by this write-up.

They get equally wound up over any and all issues - big and small - that arise from their callers without prioritization or putting them in perspective. They just like to emote and rant. They see a conspiracy behind every rock. My guess is they were pulled because of a lack of ratings. In any case - no loss. AMF
9 posted on 09/29/2006 9:22:58 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Anti-Bubba182
On the contrary, and with all due respect the the Friends of the Widow's Son, and all the Grand Flavors of Free and Accepted Masonry, in my fair South - of whom I am unashamed and proud to be a Son - there is a history of bifurcation, of Lodges for the descendants of African Slaves and Lodges for descendants of Charlemagne.

This hasn't changed, though some Rites turn a blind eye to such distinctions, its ancient tradition, though certainly not as ancient as the Fellowship.

But, in agreement, such "a formal resolution" is ridiculous, as described. The Burden of Proof is on the accuser here.

The Orders don't inscribe such resolutions, and are no more public institutions than Bob Jones University.

To imply the Grand Orders have the political power they once enjoyed in the South (as much in the Black communities as in the "White,") is too late by decades.

It is as if these Radio play-actors had come out and said Gov. Riley's home Church congregation was exclusively White, as it probably is not, though such would not be rare in the South, no longer by compulsion but by choice.

"Pssst. Did you know Gov. Riley's dad went to an all-white public school?"

If they have such a Resolution, present it.

On the Square...

10 posted on 09/29/2006 9:27:08 PM PDT by Prospero (Ad Astra!)
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To: plain talk
Make a point, plain talker, Russ and Dee happen to be representative of a majority of Alabamans. Do you think that most of Alabamians are nutcases?

Russ, and sometimes Dee, are Jews that bring out the best of Christianity in us all.

Just what, plain talker, is your bitch?
11 posted on 09/29/2006 9:32:06 PM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: holyscroller
There is only one conclusion that can be drawn: The Grand Masonic Lodge of Alabama is racist.

Yeah, So effing what? So is the NAACP, the Congressional Black Caucus, laRaza, et al. Why aren't Russ and Dee raising a stink about those racist organizations? Could it be because those orgs are racist against whites, and not for whites. Well screw that. As a conservative, I believe in the right of association for everyone. and if a group of whites only wants to associate with other whites, it is their business and no one else's. The government has no business telling private organizations who they can and/or can not associate with.

12 posted on 09/29/2006 9:47:55 PM PDT by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: holyscroller
The issue is none other than the Right to Free Speech. R & D were stepping on Lying Bob Riley's toes so Lying Bob had them censored. Any other issue mentioned is secondary. The voters in Alabama are stupid and have proven it many times by selecting the candidate with the most money ie Luther Strange for Lt. gov. Monday was a sad day for Alabama and the Nation.
13 posted on 09/30/2006 7:08:02 AM PDT by Bubber One (They Will Return)
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To: Bubber One
Certainly the Masons of Alabama have a Constitutional right to be racially restrictive and Russ Fine has a Constitutional right to report that they are so.

We can't dance around reality and the reality is that the Republican Governor of Alabama is a cartoon politician.

And (may God help us all) the Democrat candidate was worse.
14 posted on 09/30/2006 7:41:47 AM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: the final gentleman

I don't think Russ and Dee are representatives of much of anything. They are just nutcases without sufficient comparative analytical and logical reasoning capabilities. Hotheads like Michael Savage.


15 posted on 09/30/2006 9:51:54 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk
What you think, plain talk, matters little.
What is guaranteed by our Constitution is what counts.

Like, for example, your right to call Michael Savage a hothead; and your right to declare Russ and Dee representative of nothing, and, without stating your reasoning, name-calling them all "nutcases" at your pleasure.

Young children do it all the time.
16 posted on 09/30/2006 11:38:57 AM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: the final gentleman

Ain't wasting time with people who like hotheads like you, chum.


17 posted on 09/30/2006 12:10:15 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: the final gentleman

Russ and Dee represent Russ and Dee, Sparky.

The notion that they're a reflection of the populus of Alabama is an overstatement at best and a complete fabrication at worst.

Don't worry, though...small children do that all the time.

LMAO


18 posted on 09/30/2006 12:17:22 PM PDT by jra
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To: jra
Let's see now..."plain talk" called me "Chum" and "jra" called me "Sparky" and although Russ and Dee and the voters soundly defeated Bob Riley's one and a half billion dollar tax increase at the polls, jra finds Russ and Dee to be out of step with the Alabama people.

And he is LHAO...alone.
19 posted on 09/30/2006 2:02:26 PM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: Bubber One; Quilla
Bubber One
September 30, 2006

"The voters in Alabama are stupid "

Thanks for that extensive report, concise analysis, and the supporting evidence for your claim.
20 posted on 09/30/2006 2:32:29 PM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: holyscroller

Who are Russ and Dee?


21 posted on 09/30/2006 2:35:57 PM PDT by Temple Owl (Excelsior! Onward and upward.)
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To: bwteim

The point that people here are missing, and it is important, is that the only DJ's on the air in Birmingham that kept the issues and information out there were silenced. Whether you like them or not is irrelevant. The question is who's next? Politicians and the main stream media hate anything or anyone that tries to educate the populace on that is REALLY happening (SPP, NAFTA, CAFTA, NAFTA super highway, eminent domain) just to name a few. I have stopped listening to the show now because there is nothing of substance left.

Fortunately I learned a while back that main stream media is controlled and they will only inform you of what THEY want you to know. While I did not always agree with Russ and Dee, I listened because they were the only ones that put out real information. To the people that do not have access to a computer, their show was the only place in and around Birmingham that they could find out what the MSM won't report.

Just think about the implications of these talk show hosts being silenced. Do you not see where this can and probably will go? How many other radio talk show hosts will face this same fate and be silenced by those that do not want us to know the truth?

As far as Riley, he is a snake, plain and simple. I am not affiliated with any party and have always voted for the person. Therein lies the problem. If we do not stop voting parties and vote for the candidates that will do what is in the interest of the PEOPLE, we are doomed.


22 posted on 10/01/2006 7:17:50 AM PDT by ohflyingone
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To: Kirkwood

As an "outsider'" tell us what you think of the real human race.

It's a secret occult society. I know, I've had relatives that were Masons. Practices that include hazing, whippings, defamation & immoral tasks. For members that step out line or break the rules; death threats & arsen of their property. I had a great uncle that had his house burned down because he resigned his membership & was telling things that might expose occult type practices! They got out while they could after discovering what it really was & represents. I was offered to join, I said no thanks. They seemed offended for some reason.

I've never seen nor heard of a black Mason, nor any that were even asked to join, at least not in the south. Maybe up north. Who knows?

More info: http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm


23 posted on 10/04/2006 9:03:24 PM PDT by Schnydleigh
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Kirkwood; Prospero
"Total BS! There is no such resolution in Masonry! If these clowns had proof it would be bigger news than this." The resolution they were referring to is posted here on the Burning Taper (a Masonic blog). It is an 1876 resolution of the Grand Lodge of Alabama that apparently has not been repealed, not representative of all Masons. Russ and Dee's point was that Gov Riley could be a member of any of the other Masonic lodges in Alabama that were not racist, but he chose to be a member of a racist lodge.
24 posted on 10/09/2006 8:01:34 AM PDT by redtetrahedron
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To: holyscroller

What poppycock.


25 posted on 10/09/2006 8:04:39 AM PDT by hgro
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To: redtetrahedron
Sheesh! This is like a forgotten "restrictive covenant" in housing which still exists on paper in some place but is moot in law and common practice and I am sure the Governor never saw this before joining and most members of the Lodge never heard of it.

In Masonic law the resolution goes against the Landmarks of Freemasonry and is therefore moot. For instance under the Landmarks there is a right of visitation, ie. a Mason in good standing from one Lodge can Visit another. It could not happen if they exclude Negros just because they are Negros. This aberrant Lodge in the latter part of Reconstruction writing a bogus resolution, does not make this a part of Freemasonry.

26 posted on 10/09/2006 1:57:24 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: holyscroller

Never heard of them.


27 posted on 10/09/2006 1:58:35 PM PDT by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: holyscroller

"The Governor of Alabama who is campaigning for re-election –who is asking all Alabamians for the privilege of representing and leading them – belongs to an organization that is racist"


This is a tough one. On one hand there is freedom of association (I think we still have that right) on the other hand, the man wants to represent all of the people pf his state. How can he do that in good conscience and still belong to this masonic lodge?

I don't think he can.


28 posted on 10/09/2006 2:03:40 PM PDT by BLS (It's time to redefine your deiphobic mind.)
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To: holyscroller

Wiping my ass in the morning is of more importance!


29 posted on 10/09/2006 2:07:25 PM PDT by Doc Savage (Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...)
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To: holyscroller
Russ and Dee got wrapped around the axle as a result of their hate of Bob Riley. It got so bad, they indicated their full support of Lucy Baxley and indicated they were going to vote for her. It showed the hypocrisy of their "conservative views".

With regard to the Masons, I saw what happened to the thriving Jaycee and Jayceete organizations when the Federal Government FORCED the Jaycees to admit women as members. This desegregation of the all male Jaycees ruined an organization that did a lot of good in the country. Thank goodness the Masons have maintained their all men status.
30 posted on 10/09/2006 2:49:14 PM PDT by TheOldSchool
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