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Serbs see Kosovo lost despite wishful thinking
Reuters ^ | September 29, 2006 | Matt Robinson

Posted on 09/30/2006 7:13:34 AM PDT by tgambill

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To: tgambill
you have very little capability of finding out info for yourself

I'm not after the accepted historical account of Pearl Harbor, Tom - I already have a firm handle on that.

What I am trying to get is for you to enlighten me as to what makes you say that Pearl Harbor was a setup.

And in order for me to do that, I can't rely upon the sources I'm familiar with - I have to ask you.

Which is what I've done.

M'kay?

51 posted on 10/06/2006 12:21:16 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

MMMMm, you don't have a firm handle. You only have a handle on the story that you want to believe or should I say, misdirect and mitigate. Are you sure that you never worked or trained at an Embassy....;)) lolol...you sure sound like an Embassy wieny....boo hoooo.....

Hey, don't you ever sleep? We might as well use yahoooooo IM....


52 posted on 10/06/2006 12:29:07 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
How's about you act your age and answer the question, Tom.

Thanks.

53 posted on 10/06/2006 12:33:01 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

"Act my age" :)) lolol...boy, that is the pot calling the kettle black. Hippie, let me reinterate a point you always fail to understand. I have a life and a job, and answer in a hurry to those with sense. In that regard, no matter what I answer in your direction it will make no difference. You are the least signficant nut in the squirrel's nest. Acting one's age, is when they are mature enough to carry on a non-hysterical conversation, absent the insults, snide immature remarks like a young college freshman; and sentences that contain at least some references or bits of intelligent retort. You have none of these. So, no kidding, you have some serious issues to personally deal with that if you sought help, might make your life a little more tolerable. This isn't my problem, this is something that you and those around you have to suffer with......

So, in short, I'll answer the question when I have the time and I'm good and ready. So, you might want to cool your jets, and get some rest....you may need it.


54 posted on 10/06/2006 12:58:17 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
I'll answer the question when I have the time and I'm good and ready.

Great. Thanks.

55 posted on 10/06/2006 1:13:32 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

this is good. I can deal with this.

So, now, back to work and starting the day.


56 posted on 10/06/2006 1:30:33 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

[historical account of Pearl Harbor...?]

I don't understand why this is such a "big deal?"...unless, of course, I'm missing something.


57 posted on 10/06/2006 7:26:15 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

First of all, it appears that it's a matter of two posters that have an interest in discovering historical accounts.

Secondly, the same circle of organizations, and although generations later, it is the same agenda that has shaped the world even up to today......and there are plans yet to come to fruition. The historical account of Pearl Harbor will give just another root system to set the tone for what this group is capable of........long story short.


58 posted on 10/07/2006 1:12:30 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Oh, this same agenda is reponsible for our entrance into the Balkans. Long story short. There is no doubt. Years of research has produced the links.


59 posted on 10/07/2006 1:14:23 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

You think we are going to do that again? I don't remember anytime in history where the US was so wrong in a war.


60 posted on 10/07/2006 1:19:36 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

"You think we are going to do that again? I don't remember anytime in history where the US was so wrong in a war."

There is no question that we are going to Macedonia and eventually toward the other Baltic states. The reasons are simple and the agenda is clear. Once Kosovo becomes independent the region will become, as planned, unstable. Richard Holbrooke described it perfectly in 1998. But said the opposite in 2002 or 2003....I've got the quotes put aside if you want them.

That is the problem, bear with me here. We were very wrong being in Kosovo. However, this went according to plan and is basically on schedule. This was planned from Bosnia to Kosovo and is working accordingly. We are only halfway to complete the entire agenda. Independent Kosovo and the Greater Albania is a major Objective. Taking out Bosnia and Croaia were just preliminary objectives.......


61 posted on 10/07/2006 1:43:51 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite
"Forget Kosovo"

Boy you ARE on one trick pony!

62 posted on 10/07/2006 1:49:03 AM PDT by endthematrix (Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence.)
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To: endthematrix; dirtboy; Bokababe; joan; montyspython; DTA; getoffmylawn; ma bell; Beckwith; ...

I'm having real trouble getting confirmation from other sources on the contentions made in this article. Does anyone have any other links to confirm this article?

http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/dfasa011606.htm

Especially, On November 17, 2005, the Syrian security forces arrested the Albanian Xhavit Haliti in Damascus as a member of the international terrorist organization al-Qaida


Any confirmations on this as well?

There are specific reasons to confirm this other than personal interests.....


63 posted on 10/07/2006 2:17:22 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
["There is no question that we are going to Macedonia...]

That I understand.
And, furthermore, I also understand what was Germany's interest in an independent Croatia and the subsequent US interest in an independent BiH.
64 posted on 10/07/2006 2:29:30 AM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic; kronos77

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_52/b3763127.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3749616.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/business/4130271.stm


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/europe/caspian100598.htm


http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,438134,00.html


65 posted on 10/07/2006 2:54:24 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
I see you’re relatively new to Freerepublic. I went through exactly what you went through many years ago. Yes, Standard Oil and many companies did sponsor the Nazi’s before WWII I think it was the Rothschild’s living in Britain during WWII that gave Germany a couple Billion dollars during he war.

All this is fascinating information about how war is conducted and all that. During your learning I need to warn you. Information that you get is 98% factual information but the key 2% is often fabrication or omited.

For example: During the early and mid 30’s most of the population of the US was pro-Hitler. I bet your information just happens to leave that part out. I know it does, I read this information already.

66 posted on 10/07/2006 3:16:06 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic; kronos77

No sooner said than an example comes up...."continue with reforms needed for the Balkans country to get closer to the European Union and NATO."

Can it be more clearer...........sort of like the little ole lady sitting at the intersection. the light turns green but she continues to sit, not paying attention. The man in the car yells out..."Damn lady, git moving, the light ain't gonna git any greener".....:))



US urges Bosnians to continue reforms

Fri Oct 6, 11:40 AM ET

The United States urged Bosnia's newly-elected authorities to continue with reforms needed for the Balkans country to get closer to the European Union and NATO.

"The United States looks forward to the continuation of the reform process, most notably on constitutional reform, which remains an urgent priority," US ambassador to Bosnia Douglas Mcelhaney said in a statement.

The United States "urges all parties to return to this task quickly," he said.

"We believe that the recent elections can be a milestone on Bosnia's path to becoming a modern and prosperous state and an eventual member of the EU and NATO."

In Sunday's elections Bosnians chose the first government to run the country without international supervision since the end of the 1992-1995 war.

Bosnia should carry out numerous reforms including amending the constitution to simplify its complicated system of government.

Post-war Bosnia is comprised of two semi-independent entities -- the Serbs' Republika Srpska and the Muslim-Croat Federation. Each has its own government and parliament while the federation has 10 districts with local governments.

Last year Bosnia opened talks on an association agreement with the EU, the first step down the long path toward membership in the 25-nation bloc.

But the country's slow pace in adopting required reforms risks delaying the inking of the deal, initially expected for the end of the year.

On Sunday some 2.7 million Bosnians elected the tripartite presidency, the central parliament and the entities' assemblies. Bosnian Serbs also elected a president.
Bosnia's newly-elected authorities, even when considered moderate, appear to have radically opposite visions of the country's future which could further slow down the reform process.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061006/pl_afp/bosniavotereformsus_061006154038


67 posted on 10/07/2006 3:21:24 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
Yes I read about how Bush Sir gave money to any state that wanted to brake away from Serbia.

It has been a long time since I read that... do you remember why he did that?

68 posted on 10/07/2006 3:25:57 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

well now it doesn't.....and did you check out Henry Fords persuasion as were some other very signficant folks of today....:)

You said that 98% of what one gets is factual, and 2% is fabricated. Not necessarily true. Case in point, the information about Kosovo is 80% fabricated and 20% is fact. Most of the story of Kosovo from official sources is fabricated or exaggerated in order to justify our breaking up the Balkans.

I don't see the point about the population supporting Hitler. If they did or didn't isn't significant to the point. There were clear indications by Hitlers own speeches what he was going to do to the Jews, and how he was going to be as a dictator. Being on Freerepublic for one month, two month, 7 years makes is of no significance. A forum is just another discussion group that one can contribute, maybe learn, deal with folks that think they know but have no clue, special groups to actually spread false info, on purpose to promote the spins....etc....So, you just substantiated my assertions and I appreciate that. It works.

I left out an entire book of information.......as I don't think the readers would want to read a post that has all the information in a book for one or two posts, you think? :) I do through investigation and triangulate my sources. Even then, you have to research the author, poke around with opposing views, discount your own view, sort of like being prosecutor and defense in your own trial. Even then, one learns something. I don't believe in Experts. I believe an "expert" is just someone that knows a lot about a subject but not all of it. To be a true expert one must be willing to accept that they don't know all and are appreciative when someone brings something new to the table. right-o...


69 posted on 10/07/2006 3:35:59 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

give me a minute to formulate that......it's a key question.


70 posted on 10/07/2006 3:58:30 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I don't know about that...this is a first. I can't answer why he, Bush Sr. would do that, I can only say why we are involved with the Balkans. There are many reasons......that lead to one. It's about the oil and natural gas lines being built. Long, long story short.

If you can find or if I happen to find that specific article It would be good. If you meant senior Bush, then you are talking about pre-1992. So, that means...

1991: After communists give up monopoly on power, three of Yugoslavia's six federated republics -- Slovenia, Croatia and Macedonia -- declare independence. Brief armed attempt to prevent Slovenia's secession fails. In Croatia, up to 10,000 die as anti-independence Serbs declare their own state within Croatia. Croatian army retakes the territory.

1992: Bosnia declares independence but without consensus among key ethnic groups: Muslims, Serbs and Croats. Widespread fighting and violent land grab begin, leaving 200,000 people dead and millions homeless in 3 1/2 years of war. Serbia and Montenegro decide to carry on as Yugoslavia. International sanctions imposed on the country as punishment for Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic's warmongering.


You might find it interesting and if you check it out, discover anything more for updating, I would be beholding....:) Keeping in mind the above timeline, about 1993, the CIA asked the Inter-Services Intelligence ISI of Pakistan to divert part of the dregs (HUM and HUJI), to Bosnia and fight the Serbs...Christian Orthodox. We are talking, Islamic terrorist. They murdered and raped Serbs, beheadings and all kinds of mass murders.

Want to see a movie clip of these people.....

http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,91134-bosnia_p3705,00.html

Milo allowed his paramilitaries to run wild, big mistake. The official claim is that 8,000 muslims were slaughtered. That is BS..... most of the Muslims killed were these dregs. This is what you do in a war. however, the Serbs aren't innocent by any stretch due to their behavior as the paramilitiaries.....there were no Rape camps, they didn't slaughter 10's of thousands in Kosovo.....or even 10,000 or even 3,000....the KLA murdered almost as many and also murdered their own......

Now, back to the Dregs in Bosnia. The transfer is alleged to have been funded by Saudi Intelligence, arms and ammo by the Iranian Intelligence, and the leadership/guidance by retired officers of the ISI and Turkish intelligence. In Croatian I know that the American company called MPRI advised Ceku as the confronted the Serbs there. reference Operation Storm. Finally, Omar Sheikh, the person who planned the Pearl Kidnapping, got his time in Bosnia. Now, from Bosnia the group was diverted to Kosovo by the CIA. The Saudi Charities would serve as fronts to allow them to move about. Also, the Albanian Mafia forged a "relationship" with the Muh. under the strick guidance that if you touch Americans or cause problems here we will kill you. Otherwise we can do business together....and as Paul Harvey would say, Now you know the rest of the story.


71 posted on 10/07/2006 5:44:54 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Steve Van Doorn; kronos77

A source sent me this today.......I've copy pasted this here.....without names.....

Tom

U.S. European Commander Confirms Quotes In Book



About General Jones:

One doesn't get to pin on stars unless one is a politician or at the very least a politically correct military officer. Since he worked as the Chief of Staff for Operation PROVIDE PROMISE that delivered so-called humanitarian help to Bosnian Muslims, to the time he worked as the chief adviser to SECDEF Cohen (93-98), he did precisely what he was told by Clinton and his henchmen, though he knew better.

The aid went directly to the Muslim ABIH army in Bosnia. He also covered up the perverted attack on Kosovo at the expense of Serbs who tried to cleanse the area of Islamic fundamentalists. His record is not a proud one in my book though he's not the only one who sold out during that time. Most did and we reaped 9/11 as a result of their mischievous and deceptive tactics because Muslims weren't fooled by our shenanigans. That record doesn't help the democratic process nor the public trust in our leaders.


72 posted on 10/07/2006 6:05:30 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I guess the main point is that the same agenda in 1935 is in play today by the same folks.....obviously some older and in most cases their offspring that has been pulled into the family "business" shall we say. passed down from generation to generation and will effect our lives in the near future when they drag us into a one world goverment quickly.....yes, it will be done quickly.....


73 posted on 10/07/2006 7:09:05 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
”the information about Kosovo is 80% fabricated and 20% is fact.”

What ever the figure is it isn’t 98% fact for Kosovo I agree. Most of the news coming from Islamic sources or news willingly duped by Islamic sources is way off that mark. It is part of their campaign to fight us and it seems to work for much of our population.


”folks (at FreeRepublic) that think they know but have no clue”

You take people like Hoplite to seriously. I have found Freerepublic is a great place in general to ask questions.


”It's about the oil and natural gas lines being built.”

Be careful of conspiracies. The oil pipe lines stuff is just full of leftist hatred of the oil industry. Weeding out fact from fiction from those sources is nearly impossible.


”the main point is that the same agenda in 1935 is in play today by the same folks.”

No they are not. You are falling for the concept of how big business is controlling everything. Don’t fall for that trap. No doubt they have a great deal of influence and often live above our laws, but they don’t control everything.


I would highly recommend you watch an old movie called, “Mr Smith goes to Washington.” The ending is not realistic but the show does give you an idea how things kinda operate.

74 posted on 10/07/2006 2:06:00 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: tgambill; endthematrix; dirtboy; Bokababe; joan; montyspython; DTA; getoffmylawn; ma bell; ...
Tom I'm going to go through my old Intel. file notes on this one. If I remember right the Albanian Xhavit Haliti was a person of great interest back in 1999. May even have a picture of the dude. Will get back to you on this.
75 posted on 10/08/2006 9:37:16 AM PDT by Wraith (To have peace prepare for War.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

["You take people like [Hoplite] (too) seriously. "]

But, after a while, it gets to be a little bit too much.

More specifically, if when one [Hoplite] attempts to smash others down with insults with the intent to make one [Hoplite] feel that it raises him or her self [Hoplite] up then it gets beyond reproach...set aside Balkan issues.



76 posted on 10/09/2006 12:23:04 AM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I have found Freerepublic is a great place in general to ask questions.

*****perfect agreement.


"The oil pipe lines stuff is just full of leftist hatred of the oil industry. Weeding out fact from fiction from those sources is nearly impossible"

**** This is the actual reason. The same holds true when our money supported the Bolshevik's. The principle they use is, "To build an empire, you fight a war. To fight a war you find an enemy to provoke or engage. If you have no enemy, then you make one". This is exactly what they are using and have been using for generations. The New World Order agenda is real and is in progress as we speak. The only problem is to get Americans to wake up to to this fact. This is the hard part.

Big business in fact does control world politics. Read a true, documented story that has been confirmed and gives names and keep in mind, it did happen. It also got buried over the years, never reached the public domain except for the work of researchers.

I've been trying to find other explanations and like you, downplay the notion that big business, ie. Rothschild, DuPont, J.P. Morgan, etc...doesn't control our government. It does......no way to play it down I discovered. I also discovered without a doubt that Pearl harbor was in fact set up for the kill. This is also no doubt. I finished a 19 page document with dates on what was known and who did or said what.......It's an ugly picture. It's factual........I'm almost sorry I did the research. Big business does control this country and Europe.

THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE BY JULES ARCHER

http://www.clubhousewreckards.com/plot/plottoseizethewhitehouse.htm

Americans can no longer be shocked by the discovery that information directly affecting their personal freedom is withheld from news media to protect persons with governmental influence. But it still comes as a shocking revelation that in 1933 there was an actual attempt to make a fascist puppet of Pres¬ident Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Now, more than forty years later, the public still remains ignorant of the story behind THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE.

The fact that the plot was a failure and our present government is still a democracy, is directly attributable to Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, one of the most remarkable generals in American history. A veteran of 35 years in the Marine Corps and twice a recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor, Butler finally decided that "war is a racket!" His reputation for patriotism, in¬tegrity, and dedication to democracy, cou¬pled with his proclivity to speak the truth as he saw it irrespective of official policy, made him a seemingly perfect front for the men who hated Roosevelt. They were people with a determination, if it were impossible to replace the president, to manipulate him through the person of an American Musso¬lini. Their short-sightedness prevented their realizing that Butler was obviously the wrong choice for the job.

Jules Archer quotes testimony from the McCormack-Dickstein House Committee on Un-American Activities hearings (including testimony that was subsequently censored from public record) that details how Butler was approached by representatives of the arch-conservative American Liberty League; how they tried to persuade him to lead an army of veterans in demonstration against Roosevelt's silver standard; how Butler quickly concluded that the silver standard controversy was being used as a subterfuge to lead American veterans against Washing¬ton for truly sinister purposes; and how this hero, patriot, and Republican democrat, upon uncovering the full dimensions of the con¬spiracy, determined to go to Washington and blow it wide open.

John L. Spivak, a reporter assigned to cover the committee hearings, calls the story "one of the most fantastic plots in Amer¬ican history. . . . What was behind the plot was shrouded in a silence which has not been broken to this day. Even a generation later, those who are still alive and know all the facts have kept their silence so well that the conspiracy is not even a footnote in American histories. It would be regrettable if historians neglected this episode and fu¬ture generations of Americans never learned of it."




The Real Plot to Overthrow FDR's America
by Steven D

Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 08:29:36 AM PDT

[Preliminary Note: Some of you may wonder about the relevance of this diary, but trust me, by the end you'll see how it all ties in with our present day situation.]
Time for a trip in the way-back machine to recall a bit of history of which most of us have never heard. Last year, Phillip Roth had a bestseller with his novel, The Plot Against America, a fictionalized alternative history involving a fascist plot to take over the government of the USA and turn it into a fascist state under President Charles Lindbergh. But how many of you know of the real plot to overthrow FDR during the early years of his administration, a plot conceived by rich industrialists and bankers concerned that Roosevelt was about to conduct a massive redistribution of wealth?
More after the fold . . .

• Steven D's diary :: ::

It's a sordid tale of fascist intrigue by some of America's most famous corporate and political families (including members of FDR's own party) which was deliberately covered up by both the only Congressional Committee to investigate the plot, and also by the leading media outlets of the day including the New York Times. And the truly scary part is that the plot might very well have succeeded if not for the bravery of a single, progressive leader: Marine General, Smedley Butler.
The life of Smedley Butler is an uniquely American story. A decorated soldier (he was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor twice) and warrior who ascended through the ranks to become one of the most admired soldiers of his era, he also grew to deeply despise war, and to distrust the reasons he had been sent to fight in distant places. As he stated himself in a speech he gave on August 21, 1931 to an American Legion convention in New Britain, Connecticut:

"I spent 33 years...being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism....

"I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City [Bank] boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street....

"In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested....I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions....I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities. The Marines operated on three continents..."

Fortunately for those of us living today, the people he condemned in that speech must not have been aware of his beliefs, or if they were they must have told themselves he didn't mean what he said, because they selected him to be the leader of a military coup attempt by which they meant to supplant Roosevelt as President in all but name. These plotters represented some of America's richest and most famous names of the time:

* Irenee Du Pont - Right-wing chemical industrialist and founder of the American Liberty League, the organization assigned to execute the plot.
* Grayson Murphy - Director of Goodyear, Bethlehem Steel and a group of J.P. Morgan banks.
* William Doyle - Former state commander of the American Legion and a central plotter of the coup.
* John Davis - Former Democratic presidential candidate and a senior attorney for J.P. Morgan.
* Al Smith - Roosevelt's bitter political foe from New York. Smith was a former governor of New York and a co-director of the American Liberty League.
* John J. Raskob - A high-ranking Du Pont officer and a former chairman of the Democratic Party. In later decades, Raskob would become a "Knight of Malta," a Roman Catholic Religious Order with a high percentage of CIA spies, including CIA Directors William Casey, William Colby and John McCone.
* Robert Clark - One of Wall Street's richest bankers and stockbrokers.
* Gerald MacGuire - Bond salesman for Clark, and a former commander of the Connecticut American Legion. MacGuire was the key recruiter to General Butler.
They chose MacGuire as the point man to approach Butler with their proposal. The plot would be funded by Dupont and Morgan money funneled through an organization they had recently created to oppose Roosevelt, the American Liberty League. (The League was funded by donations from US Steel, General Motors, Chase Manhattan Bank, Standard Oil, Goodyear and the Dupont family, among others. Not surprisingly, the League would later actively oppose almost every major piece of New Deal legislation, including, but not limited too Social Security).


77 posted on 10/09/2006 12:53:47 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
Hoplite basic argument is that because we helped Muslims attack their enemy the extremist Muslims have not taken root in Kosovo. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out his argument is just plain stupid.

I don’t take him seriously.

78 posted on 10/09/2006 12:58:45 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: tgambill

The liberal media never told Americans the truth when they portrayed muslims as victims throughout the Balkan Wars of the 1990s. They never pointed out that muslims were committing atrocoties as well. I am not condoning the Serbs actions, but we never should have taken sides in the issue.


79 posted on 10/09/2006 1:11:16 AM PDT by Alfonso1000
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To: Alfonso1000

Absolutely..............


80 posted on 10/09/2006 1:41:51 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Alfonso1000

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1715905/posts?page=73#73


81 posted on 10/09/2006 1:42:45 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
”The New World Order agenda is real and is in progress as we speak.”


Yes there are very powerful people trying to take over the world so to speak. There are also a lot of powerful people that do not want that to happen. If the new world order people had as much power as is claimed they would have taken over the world after WWII. These guys have power but they don’t have as much power as you think.

” I also discovered without a doubt that Pearl Harbor was in fact set up for the kill.”

Not a ‘set up’ but Roosevelt willingly allowed Peal Harbor to be hit hard, most likely to get the people to support the war.

There was also a rumor just before all the joint chief of staff where fired by Clinton that a Coup was in the works. The FDR story is interesting here is a lot more on it. Butler wasn’t a Fascist by any means. Be sure to read the comments, because there are two sides to this story. I believe Butler was on our side. The story you are telling is coming from people that where known to be communist at the time.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1199190/posts

82 posted on 10/09/2006 1:45:59 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: tgambill

Thanks.


83 posted on 10/09/2006 2:00:16 AM PDT by Alfonso1000
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To: Steve Van Doorn

"These guys have power but they don’t have as much power as you think."

They so far have created every war since history goes back just about. Their strength is the secrecy and money control. They have been responsible for the JFK, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and a few others I won't mention due to a total lack of supporting evidence, but speculation based on knowing their strategy and final goal. They strive on conflict and will remove any peaceful solution to the conflict they have found or created.

You are correct, there are several steps that can be taken and are being taken to combat this group. There are active measures being taken as we write to combat this group. They use the CFR and Royal Institute of International Affairs (England), as their front. They have an agenda that spans laws, Banking, Military, oil companies, automobile Manufacturing, computers, Communication and Transportation, media, and Education nationwide. It's bigger than one can imagine. You are correct in that they can be dealt with, successfully? that remains to be seen.

Pearl Harbor was a way that the NWO propoents could use to justify entering the war in Europe to the American public. The globalist supported and financed Hitler early on got him rolling and now he was what I have coined, "The wind up toy". You wind it up and let it go thus creating the need for a war. They did just that, but using I.G. Farbin Chemical cartel to fund the Nazi movement. Without this financial backing the Nazi movement would not have survived. I.G. Farbin got their backing from Wall Street, and big business. Check out Henry Ford and General Motors....you will be a bit surprised.

I agree that Butler was in no way or means a facist. You must have misread my comments or I didn't write them clearly enough, but Butler was absolutely on our side. His integrity and patriotism was beyond reproach. You are correct. I believe that if you reread, I mention that if it weren't for him whistleblowing we would be a facist country with a dictatorship. They probably chose him due to his experience, his "perceived understanding" of how the wars were created, relative to his quotes about how

http://democracyrising.us/content/view/191/164/

General Butler: "Back in my day we had similar people. In Italy there was Benito Mussolini, who said: "Fascism . ..believes neither in the possibility or the utility of perpetual peace . . .War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy." As you may know, I was arrested and threatened with court-martial for criticizing Mussolini at the time. Later on, I stopped the bankers' putsch against Roosevelt.. See, some Wall Street big shots wanted to topple President Roosevelt and the New Deal. I was a life-long Republican, and they knew that I was a soldier's general, so they approached me and wanted me to lead an army of five hundred thousand veterans to overthrow the government. We'd do the whole thing from Civilian Conservation Corps camps, which were already set up. If I refused, they were going to get MacArthur. Well, I blew the whistle on them. I always sided with the underdog against the rich and powerful with their damnable wars, and I'd do it again.

I spent 33 years and 4 months in active service as a member of our country's most agile military force--the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I suspected I was part of a racket all the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service."



quote: from another source....

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."



84 posted on 10/09/2006 2:33:13 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

thank you..much. Good link and followups....this helps with my research.


85 posted on 10/09/2006 2:55:58 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite

I've got 19 pages of MS Word....I can try to cut it down to as signficant quotes and reports or send it privately. It's quite sobering. If you can shoot it down, I would be relieved. It fits in a bigger picture and it's bothersome. Took me all weekend, as I was hoping that it would cause me to retract.


86 posted on 10/09/2006 3:00:25 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite

in the meantime and in addition...........

http://www.amazon.com/Day-Deceit-Truth-Pearl-Harbor/dp/0743201299


87 posted on 10/09/2006 3:48:07 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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19 pages, huh?

Sounds like you need to retain an editor to help you organize your thoughts.

Again, I can wait, but this is starting to feel like you're simply buying time rather than answering what should be a simple question.

in the meantime and in addition...........

Been there, done that. Stinnett suffers from the same "I'll believe what I want to believe and to hell with the actual facts" syndrome that some other folks suffer from.

88 posted on 10/09/2006 6:53:43 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Do you always hide in the bathroom and shake. You mostly look at a glass full of water as half empty I'm sure. Sort of like your consciousness. :))

I don't buy time if you would care to review the last few messages. When I'm good and ready was the last time we discussed this issue.......It's not buying time, it's in my own time when I feel it necessary. Now, if you weren't such a turtle in your shell or cowardly, you would come up with your own assessment, valid assertions with references and not the government slant or hide behind mostly fabricated information. You simply want others to provide you with assertions, facts etc.....so that you can lazily make feeble attempts to distort the facts............

Simple question? Lolol...you are a hoot. If it were a simple question there would not be books written about the subject. Also, if you weren't on such a personal attack and really wanted to know you would spend the time to either read the book summary or buy the book yourself. There are many of them.....for this simple question you ask....:)))


89 posted on 10/09/2006 7:08:39 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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Do you always hide in the bathroom and shake.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Do you?

Remember, Tom - the question here is whether Pearl Harbor was a setup. I'm waiting for you to support your assertion to that effect, and growing ever more amused at your inability or unwillingness to defend that assertion.

90 posted on 10/09/2006 7:18:57 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Well, if you are amused, then it means that hide in the bathroom, with your computer afraid to come out and find out what is really out there. It's sad that everyone else has to do the work for you as you sit and pretend to be interested and yet you throw out these assertions......blah blah blah. :0 You are afraid to do your own research and maybe be wrong. It's called "Shaking in the bathroom symdrome" or in your case, maybe a little anal retentiveness........:))

Since you are amused, they I would not want to take this little bit of entertainment from you....you can wait longer. I'm very comfortable about what I've researched.


91 posted on 10/09/2006 7:55:27 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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"Shaking in the bathroom symdrome"

Yes, that's fascinating and all, but it doesn't address the issue of Pearl Harbor, does it?

Quite the contrary, your digression into the juvenile simply reinforces the view that you're unable or unwilling to apply yourself to the task at hand.

92 posted on 10/09/2006 8:13:25 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: tgambill

http://www.savekosovo.org


If its Reuters its wrong.


93 posted on 10/09/2006 8:17:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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If it's CNN it's absolutely biased and probably wrong...as Kosovo has demonstrated, and Peter Brock's book, Media Cleansing, without question.


94 posted on 10/09/2006 8:32:23 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite

lolol..your digression began in 2000 when you were posting then.....nothing has changed. Your M.O. has been consistent I can say......

You can handle it...just don't let the Anal retentiveness get you down......


95 posted on 10/09/2006 8:34:36 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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Yes, that's fascinating and all, but it doesn't address the issue of Pearl Harbor, does it?

Quite the contrary, your digression into the juvenile simply reinforces the view that you're unable or unwilling to apply yourself to the task at hand.

96 posted on 10/09/2006 8:40:32 AM PDT by Hoplite
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”They have been responsible for… Martin Luther King… Hitler was there wind up toy”

You have got to be careful what is good information and what is bad.


Lets just hit one point:
”They so far have created every war since history goes back just about. ”

Forget about the past for a moment. How do you see these guys created the war we are in now?

97 posted on 10/09/2006 1:37:44 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

the war now.........You would be surprised as to what is going on in the background. We have no business promoting an independent Kosovo. We have no business supporting the Islamist from Bosnia to Kosovo and now will target Macedonia, North Mitrovica, and South Presevo.

The strategy of the NWO is clear, but not in a million years will this be clear to most as many are in a state of denial, arrogrance and unawareness.......For others that do understand, they can either sound off or just sit and wait and watch it all happen.

The past does indicate the future. The basic principle is the following. To build an empire, you must have a war; to find a war you must find an enemy; if you have no enemy then you must make one.


98 posted on 10/10/2006 12:24:07 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite

Hopper,

You are the laughing stock...funny thing is, you actually enjoy this. I can't figure if you are actually doing this as a hobby for the Offical line of brown stuff, or; you just get off on creating the friction and being the "fly" in the ointment...or is that oinkment....:)) Is your life that boring or wasteful that you need this kind of "childish" retortment to give you that "spirit" in life...how sad.

There is no task at hand. I can choose to answer if I want or chose to not answer as it would be a waste of time answering you. You offer nothing in return other than referring to a government site that is inaccurate anyway. that is it......you are either too lazy or fearful to do your own investigation and search for truth that you live in your own cess pool of ignorance......

See ya round like a donut.......:)


99 posted on 10/10/2006 1:13:28 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
There is no task at hand.

Just not for you, Tom.

I'll just keep this for future reference as yet another topic where you don't know your fourth point of contact from a hole in the ground and are unable to back up your assertions with any meaningful data or facts.

100 posted on 10/10/2006 5:59:48 AM PDT by Hoplite
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