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Congress bans internet gambling
Reuters/Washington Post ^ | 9/30/06 | Peter Kaplan

Posted on 09/30/2006 9:43:50 AM PDT by Alterboy1964

Congress approves Internet gambling ban bill

By Peter Kaplan Reuters Saturday, September 30, 2006; 12:52 AM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most forms of Internet gambling would be banned under a bill that received final U.S. congressional approval early Saturday.

The House of Representatives and Senate approved the measure and sent it to President George W. Bush to sign into law.

The bill, a compromise between earlier versions passed by the two chambers, would make it illegal for banks and credit card companies to make payments to online gambling sites.

Democrats had accused Republicans of pushing the bill to placate its conservative base, particularly the religious right, before the November 7 congressional elections.

"It's been over 10 years in the making. The enforcement provisions provided by this bill will go a long way to stop these illegal online operations," said Sen. Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican and a chief sponsor of the measure.

Negotiators from the Republican-led House and Senate reached a deal on the legislation Friday and attached it to unrelated legislation to bolster port security, which the Congress approved.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican and potential 2008 presidential candidate, recently appeared at a hearing in Iowa -- the state that holds the first presidential nominating contest for the 2008 election -- to listen to concerns about Internet gambling.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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Finally. This was a last minute add-on to the Port Security bill that passed both the House and Senate late last night, just before adjournment.

I've had a couple of buddies lose a few grand on these Texas Hold'em poker websites. They are really awful. It's about time Congress took a stand against these websites that are preying on the most vulnerable members of our society.

Here are some comments from Bill Frist available on his website:

September 29th, 2006 - WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, M.D., (R-Tenn.) made the following statement after the Senate passed the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act:

“Gambling is a serious addiction that undermines the family, dashes dreams, and frays the fabric of society. Congress has grappled with this issue for 10 years, and during that time we’ve watched this shadow industry explode. For me as majority leader, the bottom line is simple: Internet gambling is illegal. Although we can’t monitor every online gambler or regulate offshore gambling, we can police the financial institutions that disregard our laws.”

Good riddance.

1 posted on 09/30/2006 9:43:51 AM PDT by Alterboy1964
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To: Alterboy1964

Save me from myself! Oh thank heavens for our hard-working Congressmen! I guess I'll send money orders or lump-sum cash via courier service to gambling sites now to feed my addiction.


2 posted on 09/30/2006 9:45:58 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Alterboy1964

I've never placed on an online bet, but I think this is stupid. You can't do in your own house what you can do in Nevada and a bunch of other casinos around the country.

Either gambling is legal or it's not.


3 posted on 09/30/2006 9:46:23 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Alterboy1964

All they had to do was give Congress their cut and they would have been happy with that.


4 posted on 09/30/2006 9:46:35 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a Mac)
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To: Alterboy1964
I've had a couple of buddies lose a few grand on these Texas Hold'em poker websites. They are really awful. It's about time Congress took a stand against these websites that are preying on the most vulnerable members of our society.
5 posted on 09/30/2006 9:47:59 AM PDT by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: Alterboy1964

"They are really awful."

Of course, 'personal responsiblity' has nothing to do with it, right?

Just one more 'nanny' government regulation.


6 posted on 09/30/2006 9:48:00 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Alterboy1964

It doesn't ban internet gambling. It becomes very inconvenient using accounts based in the US.


7 posted on 09/30/2006 9:49:34 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Alterboy1964

The government doesn't need to -- and shouldn't -- play nanny to people who don't care about their money and decide to fritter it away on online gambling.

I don't support this legislation.


8 posted on 09/30/2006 9:50:10 AM PDT by Black Guy who is a Republican
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To: Dog Gone

Yep. This bill was aimed at powering Casinos and increasing their take.

Hmmmm. I wonder who allows those Casinos to be built in the first place??

Oh, that's right. POLITICIANS.

And many of the same ones that just passed this prohibition.


9 posted on 09/30/2006 9:50:13 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Alterboy1964
The precedent was set when they banned the sale of online cigarette sales by forbidding credit card companies from allowing the transaction.

(Perhaps forbidding is too strong a word, because the credit card companies agreed to this in exchange for some favor, but I can't remember what that favor was.)

10 posted on 09/30/2006 9:51:23 AM PDT by Semper911 ("We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." -Marge Simpson)
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To: Alterboy1964
Now all they need to do is get busy to ban illegal entry to this country, make it illegal to make or posses certain drugs, child pronography and a few other things. After all when they ban something all of the problems are solved. Right?

Anyone who loses on internet gambling is going to find another way to lose his money. Maybe we should start a slogan "Don't gamble, play your State Lottery."

11 posted on 09/30/2006 9:52:09 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: Alterboy1964

Gambling is a serious addiction that undermines the family, dashes dreams, and frays the fabric of society.



So, he's going to take on the casinos in his own state?


Bally's Saloon, Gambling Hall and Hotel
1450 Bally Boulevard, Casino Center Drive ,


Fitzgerald's Casino
711 Lucky Lane ,Memphis) , Memphis, TN


Gold Strike Casino
1010 Casino Center Dr Robinsonville , PO Box 459 , Robinsonville, TN

Grand Casino Tunica
13615 Old Highway 61 North , Memphis, TN


Harrah's Casino
1100 Casino Strip Boulevard , Robinsonville, TN


Hollywood Casino
1150 Casino Strip Boulevard , (Off Hwy 61, south of Memphis) , Tunica, TN


Horseshoe Tunica Casino and Hotel
1021 Casino Center Drive ,Memphis, TN

Isle of Capri Casino
1600 Isle of Capri Boulevard , Tunica, TN

Libertyland Amusement Park
940 Early Maxwell Road , (Memphis, TN

Sam's Town Hotel and Gambling Hall
1477 Casino Strip Boulevard , (Off Hwy 61, 20 miles south of Memphis) , Robinsonville, TN

Sheraton Casino & Hotel
1107 Casino Center Drive , (Off Highway 55 south of Memphis) , Memphis, TN


12 posted on 09/30/2006 9:52:22 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Alterboy1964
Congress took a stand against these websites that are preying on the most vulnerable members of our society.

Say what?????

13 posted on 09/30/2006 9:52:56 AM PDT by Drango (Born free, now expensive.)
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To: Alterboy1964
Good riddance

Unfortunately not. I suspect that the industry has already prepared a method to circumvent the law and is ready to implement its solution the minute that the President signs the bill into law. Online gamblers will continue to throw away their money and won't be able to rely on existing consumer protection statues to protect them from fraud and abuse.

I don't feel very sorry for those who will be bilked by this, but their innocent families will suffer as well.

14 posted on 09/30/2006 9:53:58 AM PDT by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: Alterboy1964

Those state lotteries don't want the competition.

It's that simple.

And if you don't think people are addicted to that, ask the clerk at the next convenience store you go to.


15 posted on 09/30/2006 9:54:22 AM PDT by stands2reason (The map is not the territory - A. Korzybski)
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To: Alterboy1964

The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog.
-- G.K. Chesterson


16 posted on 09/30/2006 9:55:10 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Are we as free as we used to be?)
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To: Alterboy1964; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ...

NANNY STATE PING

How or where I spend my money is NOT anyone's business but mine.

BTW, I rarely gamble and have nevr done so online........

But this has nothing to do with "the religious right" it is protecting state lotteries and brick and mortar gambling establishments which have been losing money to online gaming interests.

These is just legalized government protection of monopoly corporations, no different than what has happened to online tobacco purchases.


17 posted on 09/30/2006 9:55:11 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Alterboy1964
I've had a couple of buddies lose a few grand on these Texas Hold'em poker websites.

Uh-huh. Do your buddies appreciate you thinking of them as children who have to have their hands held by their Nannystate?

18 posted on 09/30/2006 9:56:06 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian ("Don't take life so seriously. You'll never get out of it alive." -- Bugs Bunny)
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To: Alterboy1964

Oh, thank heaven! The Government is here to protect us and keep us from making any bad decisions! What would we DO without the all-wise Government telling us what and what not to do?


19 posted on 09/30/2006 9:56:13 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Alterboy1964
This is but the second step toward regulating the internet.

If they can do this they can also ban banks and credit card companies from authorizing payment to ANY internet company.

Personal reponsibility? Self discipline? Naw, we can't have any of THAT, now can we?

I play internet poker. I have for a couple of years now.
I haven't lost several grand, because I KNOW it's for intertainment, not for money making.
The odds live and the odds on the internet sites are not even CLOSE to being the same.
The internet sites odds are set for excitement, to let the beginner win with crummy hands, NOT to let professional card players win.

This is BS legislation.

If your friends have lost several grand internet gambling it's because THEY chose the stakes they play, not because the internet sites seduced them into it.

20 posted on 09/30/2006 9:56:48 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Do your buddies want to join my friends and myself for a friendly game?


21 posted on 09/30/2006 9:56:50 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Alterboy1964
They are really awful. It's about time Congress took a stand against these websites that are preying on the most vulnerable members of our society.

Oh, please!

Go back to DU or wherever you came from. We don't need the government to be "protecting" people from themselves. Millions enjoy poker sites, and I would too if I had the time. Stay out of my life.

ML/NJ

22 posted on 09/30/2006 9:57:19 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: durasell; All

HELLO PEOPLE....

If Congress could TAX these Overseas based sights, they'd be giving them grants to ENCOURAGE the business!


23 posted on 09/30/2006 9:57:34 AM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: RightWhale
It doesn't ban internet gambling. It becomes very inconvenient using accounts based in the US.

I'll bet (oops!) that's what happens.

Offshore casinos will link to an offshore bank where you can open an account, although it won't be inconvenient. It will be a piece of cake.

Nothing in this bill likely prevents a gambler from opening an offshore account unrelated to the casino, and you might even be able to do it using a credit card.

Let's wait and see, but I think there's a loophole you could drive a college football game through.

24 posted on 09/30/2006 9:57:52 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Alterboy1964

Screw that troll....

I don't need the Feds telling me where and when I can gamble with MY DAMN MONEY.


25 posted on 09/30/2006 9:58:01 AM PDT by MikefromOhio ("...America has confronted evil before, and we have defeated it...")
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To: durasell
Do your buddies want to join my friends and myself for a friendly game?

I know myself well enough to not play anything more than nickel-ante.

26 posted on 09/30/2006 9:58:23 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian ("Don't take life so seriously. You'll never get out of it alive." -- Bugs Bunny)
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To: Dog Gone; Andy from Beaverton; Bigh4u2; durasell
“Uh, Senator — you can have my answer now if you like. My offer is this — nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.”

27 posted on 09/30/2006 9:58:25 AM PDT by dighton
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To: durasell; Alterboy1964

Exactly. This isn't anti-gambling, it's pro brick-and-mortar casinos.

Think not? The head of the Gaming Association is the former head of the Republican National Committee. YOU figure it out.


28 posted on 09/30/2006 9:58:30 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Alterboy1964

I agree. They should ban alcohol next. And then pass a law that makes church attendance mandatory. Yeah, that's the ticket.


29 posted on 09/30/2006 9:59:23 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democrats. French, but more cowardly.)
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To: Gabz

Bingo.


30 posted on 09/30/2006 10:00:09 AM PDT by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 100. Guess the correct number and I'll pay you 10,000 to 1 odds.

Place your bet.


31 posted on 09/30/2006 10:00:37 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

I know myself well enough to not play anything more than nickel-ante.




The best poker games aren't about the money -- it's about a night out getting drunk with your friends. When someone suggests "Indian Poker" with deuces, suicide kings and jokers wild and nobody objects, you know you're where you need to be.


32 posted on 09/30/2006 10:00:45 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Alterboy1964

Hey, welcome to FreeRepublic, lame troll. Your screen name isn't nearly as clever as you think.


33 posted on 09/30/2006 10:01:15 AM PDT by Paradox (American Conservatives: Keeping the world safe for Liberalism.)
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To: linda_22003

on the other hand, brick and mortar casinos create jobs. Online gambling does not.


34 posted on 09/30/2006 10:01:42 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Dog Gone

It will stop many who don't want to take the time to go to that level of internet sophistication, but some will consider it a challenge. I expect it will end up making little difference.


35 posted on 09/30/2006 10:01:42 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Alterboy1964

Pissed off indians alert.


36 posted on 09/30/2006 10:02:47 AM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: Alterboy1964
Digital Currency

evocash

Pecunix

e-Bullion

e-gold

GoldMoney

37 posted on 09/30/2006 10:02:47 AM PDT by sourcery (A libertarian is a conservative who has been mugged ...by his own government)
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To: dighton

I'm checking my bed for horse heads.


38 posted on 09/30/2006 10:04:05 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Alterboy1964
I've had a couple of buddies lose a few grand on these Texas Hold'em poker websites. They are really awful. It's about time Congress took a stand against these websites that are preying on the most vulnerable members of our society.

Hey, the most VULNERABLE??? Do you really think that little of your friends? If they had won you wouldn't be so mad now, would ya? Your friends are smart enough to know how to work a computer, and they have credit cards. How dare Congress tell me how I should or should not spend my money!!! The day they close all casinos in the US, is the day they should prohibit online gambling. This is outrageous and if you don't think this is lobbists from US gaming companies exerting influence, you're nuts. By the way, the notion you never win online gambling is ridiculous. I've won and I know others who have won. Is this what we've come to? What's next, huh? Government telling me what I can eat, and what I can't eat? Give in to this, and just wait.

39 posted on 09/30/2006 10:04:37 AM PDT by Hildy (Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party house)
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To: Alterboy1964
Only wishful thinking. Our elected representatives jumped on the bandwagon to smile for the cameras. There are no gambling casinos doing business on line in the U.S. They are all incorporated overseas. Getting around U.S. laws will be easy as eating apple pie. I can see the television interviews in my head right now: Little 'what's-her-name' from CBS interviewing a citizen of the U.K. about his on-line gambling sites. He brags about his huge profits and then urges people to open accounts on the Isle of Man or more tropical islands. The interviewer giggles. People oblige with new cash deposits. Next year, Congress will still be taking credit for ending Internet gambling.
40 posted on 09/30/2006 10:04:55 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: Gabz
BUMP

This type of legislation is applied to all facets of our lives, be it tobacco, alcohol, firearms and now gambling.

FMCDH(BITS)

41 posted on 09/30/2006 10:04:59 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: durasell

Very true. Hence the Mississippi legislature's vote to allow casino gambling on dry (?) land after Katrina.


42 posted on 09/30/2006 10:05:06 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Headline: Congress bans internet gambling

"The bill.... would make it illegal for banks and credit card companies to make payments to online gambling sites."

________________________________________________

Could somebody square the headline with the text of the article for me?
Thanks.

43 posted on 09/30/2006 10:05:11 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Too late. Betting on that event is now closed.

But here's a more favorable bet. I'm thinking of a number that is between one and ten. Guess correctly and I'll pay 1,000,000 to 1 odds.


44 posted on 09/30/2006 10:05:16 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Dog Gone

As Senator Geary discovered, you can find worse.


45 posted on 09/30/2006 10:06:21 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

DangIt!

Now I have to drive a whole mile to the Cherokee Casino to gamble.


46 posted on 09/30/2006 10:06:23 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: tcrlaf

BUMP what you said.


47 posted on 09/30/2006 10:06:31 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Conservative Republican Jim Leach of Iowa spoke before the House last night before passage and indicated that internet gambling was much more addictive than live gambling and that internet poker sites were not only being used to launder drug money, but also being used to fund terrorist attacks against the United States. He also stated that gambling is not a productive use of one's time.

Clearly internet gambling is not just an harmless activity one does in his own home, but it harms everyone in society and leaves us open to the prospect of further terrorist attacks.

This is from his own website:

Leach Wins Ban on Internet Gambling; Bill Caps Years-Long Drive to Protect Families
Saturday, September 30, 2006 at 12:35 AM

In its last act before adjourning, Congress enacted the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. Passage of the measure, which is designed to stem the growth of gambling on the Internet, caps a multi-year effort by Congress-man Jim Leach to protect American families.

While Internet gambling has been illegal since its inception, the govern-ment has had no way to enforce applicable state and federal law. The Leach bill makes it illegal for financial institutions and credit card companies to process payments for settling Internet gambling wagers and creates new criminal penal-ties for Internet gambling businesses. Companion legislation was offered in the Senate by Jon Kyl of Arizona.

“It is extraordinary how many American families have been touched by large losses from Internet gambling,” Leach said.“As a professor of business at the University of Illinois has noted, the Internet is ‘crack cocaine’ for gamblers. ‘There are no needle marks,’ he says. ‘There is no alcohol on the breath. You just click the mouse and lose your house.’“

Researchers have called gambling online addictive. Players attest to be-coming obsessed with it. According to a study by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, nearly 10 percent of college students gambled online last year. The number of college males who reported gambling online once a week quadrupled in the last year alone.

“Internet gambling’s characteristics are unique. Never has it been so easy to lose so much money so quickly at such a young age. The casino is in effect brought to the home, office and college dorm. Children may play without verification, and betting with a credit card can undercut a player’s perception of the value of cash, which too easily leads to bankruptcy and crime.

“In my old hometown of Davenport this past summer, two young men from middle-class families who attended college in Iowa got so far behind in their Internet gambling losses that they decided to rob a series of homes. From one they took cigars and golf clubs but were thoughtful enough not to pinch the Heisman trophy in the bookcase. They were caught when they advertised Johnny Lujack’s golf clubs online. Now these young men face the prospect of prison rather than graduation.

“The reason the NCAA, NFL, NBA, MBA and NHL support this legislation is that they are concerned with the integrity of the games. The reason the reli-gious community – from Baptists and Methodists to Muslims – has rallied to this cause is because it is concerned for the unity of the American family. Internet gambling is not a subject touched upon in the Old or New Testament or the Koran. But the pastoral function is one of dealing with families in difficulty and religious leaders of all denominations and faiths are seeing gambling prob-lems erode family values.

“What’s more, Internet gambling is a national security concern because it can be used to launder money, evade taxes and finance criminal and terrorist activities.

“If Congress had not acted, gamblers would soon be able to place bets not just from home computers, but from their cell phones while they drive home from work or their Blackberries as they wait in line at the movies.

“Unlike brick-and-mortar casinos in the United States, where legal pro-tections for bettors exist and where there are some compensatory social benefit in jobs and tax revenues, Internet gambling sites principally yield only liabilities to America and to Americans.

“Some have suggested that there is no call to rein in the activities of indi-vidual choice. But misjudgments affect society as a whole. There is nothing in Internet gambling that adds to the GDP or makes America more competitive in the world. Indeed, if an individual cannot repay his or her credit card debts, neighbors will be subject to higher interest rates. Everyone loses if this indus-try continues its remarkable growth trends.”

The Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve Board will jointly de-velop implementing rules for the Act, and financial institutions have nine months to adapt to the sophisticated new obligations."




48 posted on 09/30/2006 10:07:04 AM PDT by Alterboy1964
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To: Alterboy1964
I await the legislation that outlaws state-sponsored gambling in the form of lotteries.

Surely all the same arguments apply?

49 posted on 09/30/2006 10:07:36 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: durasell

Ummm.... Those casinos are in MS not TN.


50 posted on 09/30/2006 10:07:42 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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