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GOP Leaders Knew Of Foley's Messages
Washington Post ^ | October 1, 2006 | Jonathan Weisman and Charles Babington

Posted on 09/30/2006 7:55:53 PM PDT by nj26

House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) was notified early this year of inappropriate e-mails from former representative Mark Foley (R-Fla.) to a 16-year-old page, a top GOP House member said yesterday -- contradicting the speaker's assertions that he learned of concerns about Foley only last week.

Hastert did not dispute the claims of Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds (R-N.Y.), and his office confirmed that some of Hastert's top aides knew last year that Foley had been ordered to cease contact with the boy and to treat all pages respectfully.

Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, became the second senior House Republican to say that Hastert has known of Foley's contacts for months, prompting Democratic attacks about the GOP leadership's inaction. Foley abruptly resigned his seat Friday.

House Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Washington Post on Friday that he had learned in late spring of inappropriate e-mails Foley sent to the page, a boy from Louisiana, and that he promptly told Hastert, who appeared to know already of the concerns. Hours later, Boehner contacted The Post to say he could not be sure he had spoken with Hastert...

Only after Reynolds's definitive statement did Hastert concede yesterday that he may have been notified of some of the questionable activities of Foley, 52, who had co-chaired the Congressional Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: congress; foley; hastert; markfoley; pedophilia
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Either incompetence or corruption/immorality... take your pick.

Any citizen with some common sense would ask a lot more questions if they caught a 50yo gay man sending emails to a 16yo boy asking for pictures of the boy.

1 posted on 09/30/2006 7:55:54 PM PDT by nj26
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To: nj26
Either incompetence or corruption/immorality... take your pick.

It's a pattern. Foley, Ney, DeLay, Burns. The leadership knew of their poor character and refused to do anything about it. I pick immorality. Corruption is the symptom.

2 posted on 09/30/2006 7:58:57 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: SolidSupplySide

Until our political leaders acknowledge the truth and atone for their sins, this incident will be a stain on our party and our nation in God's eyes.

Looking the other way as children are abused... that's a sin in my book.


3 posted on 09/30/2006 8:00:29 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: nj26
Hmmm ~ this, including the WarshPost stuff, has been covered in other threads.

I think somebody is not happy with the analysis given by other Freepers, or the fact that Hastart and the Republican leadership in the House have now asked for a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

4 posted on 09/30/2006 8:00:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nj26

In hindsight it looks bad.
I doubt that Hastert had any idea that Foley was having intimate conversations with that boy.

BTW, is the boy in the emails the same boy in the IM's?


5 posted on 09/30/2006 8:01:25 PM PDT by JRochelle (You can believe what you want, but you can't have your own facts!)
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To: muawiyah

No, I'm not happy to see our political leaders trying to self-destruct our party.


6 posted on 09/30/2006 8:01:45 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: nj26

What did they know and when did they know it? Aw, jeez, looks like we need another investigation. Maybe Patrick Fitzgerald can find the answers! < / sarc>


7 posted on 09/30/2006 8:03:10 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: muawiyah

"Hastert and the Republican leadership in the House have now asked for a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION."

Too little, too late. They had information for a year and didn't appropriately act upon it.


8 posted on 09/30/2006 8:03:31 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: JRochelle
No one knows if there's one boy or two boys ~ but gay pedophiles do a lot of cruising.

The people who held the IMs since 2003 are friends of Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson.

They cannot be considered separate and apart from this crime ridden scandal. Valerie and her friends are quite likely to get their 15 minutes of fame trying to explain why they sat on the evidence of this crime so long.

9 posted on 09/30/2006 8:03:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nj26

Sounds like Boehner and Hastert can't get their stories straight....this is looking baadddddd. Say goodnight to the GOP-controlled House.


10 posted on 09/30/2006 8:03:54 PM PDT by WillT
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To: nj26
Sorry, so far the information we have is THEY DID NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION FOR A YEAR, but when they got it they acted instantly!

This bit of information has appeared on each and every thread on this topic.

You ever hear of "beating a dead horse" ?

11 posted on 09/30/2006 8:05:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WillT
Inconsistencies?

In detail, where?

12 posted on 09/30/2006 8:05:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

"You ever hear of "beating a dead horse" ?"

If you caught a 50yo gay man asking your 16yo son for his pictures, would you take the gay man's explanation at face value?

Give me a break...


13 posted on 09/30/2006 8:06:29 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: WillT

No way


14 posted on 09/30/2006 8:07:36 PM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: nj26
We all need to get a grip, look at who is hoisting this story, and realize that while it is a horrible situation and the guy absolutely should be prosecuted in addition to resigning, these accusations toward the entire GOP are the Dems attempting to take the moral high ground and win an election. A ground they have no standing to take, none zilch nada!

Let them deal with the issue as is required by law, and let them do what has to be done. One bad apple does not make the entire party responsible. Unlike the Dems, who have almost nothing but bad apples.

The guy is a slime, and should leave the party, we don't want him. But the rest are not responsible.
15 posted on 09/30/2006 8:07:41 PM PDT by gidget7 (Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job)
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To: nj26
No, but did you catch what the guy's excuse was?

BTW, the parents asked that the guy be told to leave their kid alone and don't make a big stink about it (to protect their kid).

16 posted on 09/30/2006 8:09:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nj26

Of course I feel that Foley had to go.
But we look at Barney Frank running a homosexual prostitution cathouse in his basement, and he didnt go.

It is frightening to think of people like this in high government office.


17 posted on 09/30/2006 8:09:41 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: gidget7

Hastert knew that Foley was emailing 16yo boys and asking for pictures.

He accepted some flimsy explanation from Foley. If you caught a 50yo gay man asking your 16yo son for pictures, would you take the "explanation" at face value?

Hastert needs to go. He's obviously a bumbling idiot or a morally corrupt politician.


18 posted on 09/30/2006 8:10:18 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: nj26

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1711435/posts

Please read this before you comment further.


19 posted on 09/30/2006 8:10:50 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: nj26

You use a politically correct synonym for 'merry' to describe pederasty and you lose right of out of the gate. There is nothing wrong with 'merriment', ask anyone!


20 posted on 09/30/2006 8:10:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: REDWOOD99

I read it and I'm not convinced.


21 posted on 09/30/2006 8:11:19 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: muawiyah
Good points all. The Plames hid it as a ace to hurt the election, and that's unconscionable!!
22 posted on 09/30/2006 8:11:29 PM PDT by gidget7 (Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job)
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To: muawiyah

How about this: they were waiting for the right time to release it as to affect the outcome of the Nov. elections. Plame/Wilson are hell bent on getting paybacks at Bush, and it comes down to impeachment if the Dems gain control of the house.


23 posted on 09/30/2006 8:11:46 PM PDT by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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To: muawiyah

"The people who held the IMs since 2003 are friends of Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson."

I don't understand this aspect of the story. Could you provide some detail please?


24 posted on 09/30/2006 8:13:24 PM PDT by spatso
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To: spatso

This inconsistency....

"House Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Washington Post on Friday that he had learned in late spring of inappropriate e-mails Foley sent to the page, a boy from Louisiana, and that he promptly told Hastert, who appeared to know already of the concerns. Hours later, Boehner contacted The Post to say he could not be sure he had spoken with Hastert."


25 posted on 09/30/2006 8:21:20 PM PDT by WillT
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To: REDWOOD99
I read that earlier today, thanks for posting it here.

I am as sick of the bankrupt morals in this country as anyone, but I won't prosecute an entire party, and blame those who did something about this disgusting situation, for the action of the perpetrator of those acts.

If it were a teacher, sure, we could blame the school for hiring them and for fostering the concept of normalizing this behavior. But this person was not hired by the GOP, he was and elected official. People voted him into office. He is the one who gets all the blame for his behavior. Anyone who withheld the info, (I don't believe for a second it was Republican Leadership) should be held accountable for their action, or lack thereof!
26 posted on 09/30/2006 8:22:03 PM PDT by gidget7 (Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job)
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To: nj26

Did Hastart know that Foley was homosexual?


27 posted on 09/30/2006 8:22:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WillT

First Boehner told the Post that he promptly told Hastert about the emails, and then he calls back hours later to tell the Post he can't remember if he spoke to Hastert about it, lol...I would call that a big inconsistency, lol


28 posted on 09/30/2006 8:24:04 PM PDT by WillT
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To: muawiyah

"Did Hastert know that Foley was homosexual?"

It's been all over the press. I knew and I don't even live in DC. Foley had planned to run for Senate but dropped out of the race in 2004 due to the homosexuality issue.


29 posted on 09/30/2006 8:24:09 PM PDT by nj26 (Border Security=Homeland Security... Put Our Military on the Border! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: WillT
According the Post, Rove and Libby leaked the name of a covert agent too. I believe NOTHING the WaPo or the NYT print.
30 posted on 09/30/2006 8:24:23 PM PDT by gidget7 (Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job)
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To: gidget7
One bad apple does not make the entire party responsible.

But when top members don't make more an attempt to throw the bad apples out of the barrel...that is not good.
31 posted on 09/30/2006 8:24:41 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: muawiyah

Meanwhile Scott Ritter is not in jail for attempting to meet young girls at Burger King for sex.


32 posted on 09/30/2006 8:26:02 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: nj26
Hastert needs to go. He's obviously a bumbling idiot or a morally corrupt politician.

Well you are an expert in the above with your jumping to wild conclusions and not looking at the facts.

When the explicit IM's were found out(probably Friday morning), Hastert immediately booted foley, unlike the reaction nancy pelosi would have had if confronted with the same situation.

33 posted on 09/30/2006 8:26:04 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: P-40

I don't think the whole "The Post lied" excuse is going to work on this one. They better come up with a better defense than that.


34 posted on 09/30/2006 8:27:00 PM PDT by WillT
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To: nj26

I still see this disclosure as an October Surprise. It's October. Surprise. Candidate is out. Rats win.


35 posted on 09/30/2006 8:27:01 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: P-40
We only have extremely bias newspaper print that tells us that. I wasn't there, I don't know how it all came down. I will wait and see. But again, I don't think the entire party is responsible for the actions of a pervert.

This should be a valuable lesson to people. DO NOT elect people of questionable character, with questionable judgment! No matter what the party affiliation.
36 posted on 09/30/2006 8:27:44 PM PDT by gidget7 (Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job)
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To: nj26

Granted it's a minor point in this matter but I think we all know why Congress cannot act on import leglislation when we find out that there is, in fact, a "Congressional Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children".


37 posted on 09/30/2006 8:28:29 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: weegee

Its just one seat and still undecided whether or not its lost.


38 posted on 09/30/2006 8:29:35 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: WillT
I don't think the whole "The Post lied" excuse is going to work on this one. They better come up with a better defense than that.

Why? They lied about valerie plame.

Also DUmmie troll, when the Pubies find a bad apple that get rid of it, while they democrats keep all their rotten eggs around(barney frank, gerry studds, ted kennedy).

39 posted on 09/30/2006 8:30:06 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: spatso
If you read all the threads you will discover that the organization that released the IMs to the news media are called CREW, and they are the same folks presently providing support and legal counsel to the Plame/Wilson people in their suit against Dick Cheney, et al.

That is, they are all the same thing.

Democratic party activists.

They'll do anything they can to get control of Congress so they can conduct an impeachment against the President.

I don't expect to have to repeat myself again on this ~ CREW had the IMs. For 3 years. This is the Plame/Wilson scandal in a different format back to haunt us.

And that's what happens when a Republican President fails to take the most vigorous action possible against internal CIA spies like Mary McCarthy and the folks revealing national security secrets to the New York Times, and then fires Porter Goss, CIA director, because he admitted he might have attended some parties where Demon Rum was available.

It's long overdue for "W" to round up these people ~ enemies of America and the American people ~ and pop them into holding cells for the duration of the war ~ just like Woodrow Wilson.

40 posted on 09/30/2006 8:30:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: P-40

They threw him out.


41 posted on 09/30/2006 8:31:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: weegee
I still see this disclosure as an October Surprise. It's October. Surprise. Candidate is out. Rats win.

Not necessarily. The district is a conservative one, and also I'm surprised the democrats did it with 5 weeks left before the election.

A week is a lifetime in politics and 5 weeks is 5 lifetimes.

42 posted on 09/30/2006 8:32:37 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: weegee
He did a local or state crime. I didn't hear that he was attempting to overthrow the government.

Doggone it man, we are talking high treason here ~ people get executed for this stuff.

It's time to round 'em up.

43 posted on 09/30/2006 8:32:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
They threw him out.

Yes, but they left him to fester for a year and only tossed him out after the story broke. Real noble...
44 posted on 09/30/2006 8:35:36 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: nj26

There was a democrat who knew as well, did the story list him?


45 posted on 09/30/2006 8:36:33 PM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaeda)
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To: gidget7

We know all about people of questionable character in MA but our idiots keep electing them. Kennedy, Kerrey, Barney Franks, Gerry Studds to name a few.
Wish it were that easy!


46 posted on 09/30/2006 8:38:40 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: P-40
But they didn't let him fester for a year. The EMAILS to the kid in Louisiana were innocuous.

The IMs that were sleazy were discovered by the House leadership on September 29 ~ YESTERDAY.

They kicked the guy out on the spot.

What more is there to know?

47 posted on 09/30/2006 8:42:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The EMAILS to the kid in Louisiana were innocuous.

Innocuous emails alone do not get parents upset enough to start raising some concerns, and taking the pervert at his word was not an investigation.
48 posted on 09/30/2006 8:45:25 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: acapesket
Trust me acapesket, I hear you loud and clear! And I know where you are coming from, since I am at the same place! I wish our state booted out those who lack character and judgment, at least the Republicans do that, and demand investigations! Here, they celebrate perversity, and call it diversity.
49 posted on 09/30/2006 8:48:04 PM PDT by gidget7 (Political Correctness is Marxism with a nose job)
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To: muawiyah

People keep saying Plame's friends were sitting on this information for 3 years or since 2003. Can someone direct me to evidence of this?

I should point out that even if there is evidence of sitting on information, it is apparent that high-level GOP heads knew what had happened and waited until word got out to act. We wouldn't have 10 different stories of "He knew it, I told him." "Oh wait, I'm wrong. I didn't tell him." "I knew in spring." "I knew in fall." That's disgusting.


50 posted on 09/30/2006 8:50:02 PM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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