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Jihad This!
ChronWatch ^ | 10/2/06 | Burt Prelutsky

Posted on 10/01/2006 10:00:04 PM PDT by LibWhacker

I no longer accept that we are only at war with Islamic fascists or Islamic Fundamentalists or whatever the heck we’re calling them this week. I believe that we in the West are at war with Islam, period.

I have heard any number of politicians, up to and including President Bush, claim, contrary to all reason and evidence, that Islam is a religion of peace. If you buy that load of malarkey, I’ve got a Brooklyn mosque I’d like to sell you.

This is the religion that was founded by the violence-prone Mohammed fourteen hundred years ago. It was he who established the practice of converting at the point of a sword; a short while ago, two journalists kidnapped by his followers were converted at the barrel of a gun. In 14 centuries, it seems only the technology has changed.

I have read that the current crop of terrorists and butchers only represent about ten percent of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims. I don’t know how they came by that figure, but that would still add up to 120 million cut-throats and fellow travelers. That figure is far greater than the number of Germans who were even alive when Hitler and his pagan hordes were marching across Europe, and far greater than the number of Russians who were Communist Party members during Stalin’s reign of terror.

I have heard well-meaning people claim that, however we might feel about Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, and the various tyrants heading up Syria, Iran and the rest of the Middle East, our own American Muslims are a breed apart. Sorry, but I don’t buy it. We’re all aware that long after their co-religionists attacked the U.S.S. Cole, blew up our embassies and attacked a Marine base, and murdered 3,000 innocent people on 9/11, all in the name of Allah, these peace lovers were wiring contributions to our sworn enemies.

Moreover, we know that young American Muslims are not lining up to join our armed services and thus prove that their loyalty to this nation takes precedence over their religion.

In 1943, the 442nd Regimental Combat Team was formed. It consisted of young Japanese-American men. In spite of the fact that the Nisei faced widespread prejudice in America, and in spite of the fact that their own families had been imprisoned by the federal government at Manzanar and various other concentration camps, these volunteers became the most decorated combat unit of its size during World War II. It was thanks to their sacrificial efforts that over 200 members of the 36th Texas Division, the so-called Lost Division, were rescued from certain slaughter at the hands of the Germans. It was during this battle in France’s Vosges mountains that Second Lt. Daniel K. Inouye, later to be elected to the U.S. Senate, lost his right arm and earned the Congressional Medal of Honor. Astonishingly, his was only one of 21 such medals won by the relatively small group. The unit became legendary, known as the “Go for Broke” guys who fought for their country and their honor, collecting nearly 10,000 Purple Hearts and a nation’s gratitude along the way.

On the other hand, what do we hear from America’s Muslims? Silence when it comes to military service, bellyaching when it comes to ridiculous claims of racial profiling.

Quite honestly, I suspect that the only way we could get the Koran crowd to go fight in the Middle East is if the United States declared war on Israel!


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I have read that the current crop of terrorists and butchers only represent about ten percent of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims.

And it's not just the current crop. Islam reliably and unfailingly turns out these butchers century after century after century, without skipping a beat. It's pure nonsense to defeat only the current crop of butchers. We're going to have to defeat the whole insane religion. How, I don't know, but we're going to have to defeat it if we love our kids.

1 posted on 10/01/2006 10:00:06 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

various other concentration camps -- huge, huge typo. They were internment camps. Internment.


2 posted on 10/01/2006 10:03:46 PM PDT by Sundog (In a world without Walls or Fences, who needs Windows or Gates?)
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To: LibWhacker

This problem does not have a non-genocidal solution.


3 posted on 10/01/2006 10:03:48 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: LibWhacker

Multiple Choice Test

1. In 1968, Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated in Los Angeles by
(a) Superman,
(b) Jay Leno,
(c) Tiger Woods,
(d) a man from Palestine between 17 and 40 years old.

2. In 1972, 11 Israeli athletes were kidnapped and killed at the Munich Olympics by
(a) the kid who cuts your grass,
(b) Sitting Bull,
(c) Arnold Schwarzenegger,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

3. In 1979, the US Embassy in Tehran was over-ran & 52 Americans were held for 444 days by
(a) Bruce Lee,
(b) Elvis Presley's deceased twin brother,
(c) a tour group of Minnesota grandmothers,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

4. During the 1980s, several Americans were kidnapped in Beirut by
(a) O J Simpson,
(b) the king of Sweden,
(c) the pope and a gang of Cardinals,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

5. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon was blown up, killing 220 Marines, by
(a) a Domino's Pizza delivery man,
(b) the president of the Southern Baptist Convention,
(c) Catherine Zeta-Jones,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

6. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70-year-old American passenger thrown overboard in his wheelchair by
(a) Sugar Ray Leonard,
(b) your next door neighbor,
(c) the Little Mermaid,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

7. In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens and a U.S. Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by
(a) Captain Kangaroo,
(b)Walt Disney,
(c) Mother Teresa,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

8. In 1988, Pan American Flight 103 was destroyed by a bomb in midair by
(a) Butch Cassidy,
(b) the Sundance Kid,
(c) the Tooth Fairy,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

9. The World Trade Center was bombed the first time in 1993 by
(a) Stonewall Jackson,
(b) Michael Jordan,
(c) Winston Churchill,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

10. In 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by
(a) Santa Claus,
(b) your sister's cat's grandmother's first owner's son's basketball coach's ex-wife,
(c) the World Wrestling Federation,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

11. On September 11, 2001, airliners were hijacked to crash into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon by
(a) Bugs Bunny,
(b) Bob the Tomato,
(c) Ricky Martin,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

12. In 2002, Daniel Pearl of the Wall Street Journal was kidnapped and beheaded by
(a) Bonnie and Clyde,
(b) the Michelin man,
(c) Barney Fife,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.

13. In July of 2005, several targets were attacked in central London, killing 52 persons, by
(a) the Orkin Man,
(b) Margaret Thatcher,
(c) Mr. Goodwrench,
(d) Muslims between 17 and 40.


4 posted on 10/01/2006 10:06:58 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: GSlob

what do you mean?


5 posted on 10/01/2006 10:07:33 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: LibWhacker

Western Civilization fought Islam non-stop for about 1,300 years, ending with WWI. The utter defeat of the Ottoman Empire and the colonial subjugation of Islamic territory staved off the wars for about 60 years.

Rather than supposing another 1,300 years of violence, I prefer GW's effort. Let's democratize and make capitalists of them.

A good Indian friend points out that India has a huge Muslim population that is much less militant, usually because they are spending so much energy making money.

In Iraq, if we can actually stand up a democracy so that they battle polls, focus groups and ballot boxes, it will be a much improved situation.

So I look for ways to change the game. Just because wild-eyed jihadists want to kill us all doesn't mean we have to commit genocide or die ourselves. We've got to create new ways to win. Some of that will involve bloodshed. Hopefully, we can find some additional ways that don't.


6 posted on 10/01/2006 10:09:50 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("We will slaughter anyone who calls Islam violent!")
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To: mysterio

He means he thinks there is no solution short of killing them all - at least that's what he wrote.


7 posted on 10/01/2006 10:12:25 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: DB

If that's the case, then I can't agree. Killing terrorists is one thing, but killing every muslim worldwide is something entirely different.


8 posted on 10/01/2006 10:14:01 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Brad Cloven
I agree, and here's a short list of success we're having in Iraq in setting up just that capitalist democratic society which you mention.
9 posted on 10/01/2006 10:14:33 PM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: LibWhacker
Moreover, we know that young American Muslims are not lining up to join our armed services and thus prove that their loyalty to this nation takes precedence over their religion.

I honestly don't expect anyone to be more loyal to his nation than his religion. God is bigger than that. But there's not always a conflict. When a Christian fights for the U.S. in the war on terror, his loyalty to America isn't trumping his loyalty to Jesus Christ. His loyalty to and love for both can co-exist.

Is that not true for Muslims? Or do they not fight because they just don't care?

10 posted on 10/01/2006 10:15:50 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: LibWhacker

Let's not forget Chavez...



http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2515529


11 posted on 10/01/2006 10:19:24 PM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: mysterio

Yes it is. Dark times ahead.


12 posted on 10/01/2006 10:20:37 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: mysterio

"Killing terrorists is one thing, but killing every muslim worldwide is something entirely different."

The Koran instructs it's believers in terrorism. Until the Muslims can denounce this book, it will not end. I'm afraid libwhacker is right... Though technically it would not be genocide.


13 posted on 10/01/2006 10:29:04 PM PDT by babygene
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To: Irish Rose
On the other hand, what do we hear from America’s Muslims? Silence when it comes to military service, bellyaching when it comes to ridiculous claims of racial profiling.

I recently read an interesting thing about this in a collection of e-mails, stories, and letters from the war on terror in "Operation Homecoming." One was an e-mail from a soldier who said he met an American citizen originally from Iraq now living in Dearborn, Mich., who was visiting Iraq and told him that eight of his friends, also from Dearborn, had died in the service of the new Iraqi Army. Apparently, they'd left Dearborn to join the new Iraqi Army. Not the US military, though.

14 posted on 10/01/2006 10:31:20 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Irish Rose

"Is that not true for Muslims? Or do they not fight because they just don't care?"


They do not fight because they do not have a desire to stand up for and defend this country. They do not love and cherish this country. They will not go to war against fellow Mooselimbs.


16 posted on 10/01/2006 10:48:43 PM PDT by FarRightFanatic
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To: babygene
I wouldn't want to argue for genocide. There's that not so little thing in the Ten Commandments I wouldn't want to disregard. I honestly do not know what the best solution is. I'm just not wise enough to come up with anything that's satisfactory all around.

Genocide is obviously a solution. I hope it's not the best solution. In the end, I think it's going to take divine intervention to find the best solution. Maybe the Pope can come up with something? His last statement impressed me a lot.

I do think we have an obligation to resist islam in its present form, to fight and even kill islamic fascists in self defense, and always, try to find a way to tame it, all the while praying for God to come down here and help us out. We definitely need Him for this one, I think! How's that for namby-pambiness, lol?

17 posted on 10/01/2006 10:49:47 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Check out my vanity on this topic here.

Cheers!

18 posted on 10/01/2006 10:56:55 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: LibWhacker

Churchill on Islam:


How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.


19 posted on 10/01/2006 10:59:31 PM PDT by teldon30 (Far right, elitist, sexist, cynical religious bigot and looter)
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To: mysterio
"what do you mean?"
As Samuel Huntington wrote in his "Clash", intercivilizational conflicts end either in stalemates [i.e. do not end, but get postponed] or in genocides, in which cases they truly end. On a rare occasion it is possible to transculturate the vanquished, at least to some minor extent [MacArthur 1945], but this has to be done as an absolutely conscious and concentrated effort. Besides, it represents an exception and a luxury - not everyone can be transculturated. For a good example look at the Israeli-Arab conflict. After 60 years of war successes, have the Israelis won? The definition of victory is breaking the enemy's WILL to fight, not the destruction of his means of doing so. And when this will is rooted in the very civilizational identity of the enemy, there are no clean solutions.
20 posted on 10/01/2006 10:59:54 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: LibWhacker
Sign me up LibWhacker. I'm with you on this. All Islam has been united under the OIC, and they are bringing war upon everything not Islamic with a very broad battle plan employing warfare, terrorism, diplomacy, economics, and any other means they can employ. It's not so much that we are at war with Islam, but we should be because all of Islam is at war with us.

Too many people will try to dispel this notion by pointing to Muslims apparently living in peace. They either do not know, or have forgotten, that neither was every German citizen in uniform during WWII. Many lived a peaceful life, but their pacifism did not alter the fact that their nation, Germany was at war with us, just as Islam is at war with us now. The Muslim terrorists, militants, and street thugs are their shock troops.
21 posted on 10/01/2006 11:24:14 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: backtothestreets

One of two things is going to happen. Either the average muslim is going to attack these extremeists and stop their fanatical behavior, or, there will truely be another war between christians and muslims. There is no other possible outcome.

I for one am ready to obliterate them if it comes down to either them or us. I hope it never comes to that.


22 posted on 10/01/2006 11:45:19 PM PDT by CCGuy
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To: GSlob

I am unwilling to support genocide as the solution to anything, as it includes the slaughter of the innocent alongside the guilty. It inhuman, and it reduces us below the level of any enemy we could hope to vanquish.


23 posted on 10/01/2006 11:52:51 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: grey_whiskers
Excellent! I've always felt that some combination of killing off their rabid leadership and going after civilian pockets of fanatical support was perhaps the way to go, though many innocents would die (and I am VERY much concerned about not having to worry about that on Judgment Day).

With good spies we should always be able to zero in on the worst imams, the worst mosques, and their congregations.

In time though, if we do that, the surviving imams and their replacements will simply go underground.

But it'll be much harder for their congregations to do so, and they will remain exquisitely vulnerable.

But here I am once again advocating for something perilously close to genocide, which I desperately want to avoid. So that brings me back to prayer.

"Those who oppose the mullahs oppose Islam itself; eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years. It is only the mullahs who can bring the people into the streets and make them die for Islam-- begging to have their blood shed for Islam." -Ayatollah Khomeini
Very revealing, eh? How can we eliminate the mullahs without driving them underground, where they'll continue their fiery BS? That's what we have to figure out. Perhaps somehow by "educating" the bulk of the islamic world to ignore crazy mullahs??? But how? Dubya may very well be right; bring them democracy and liberty and they'll turn their backs on the mad mullahs all by themselves without any further prodding from us.
24 posted on 10/01/2006 11:53:42 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker; grey_whiskers; Brad Cloven

Which is almost exactly what Brad Cloven said in #6. Thanks, Brad!


25 posted on 10/02/2006 12:05:24 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: CCGuy
I agree except with one point. It will not be Christian versus Muslim. It is Islam against everyone not Muslim. That includes Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, and whatever other religions one might want to add, and includes atheists and agnostics too whether they like it or not. All are in the line of fire of Islam.

Another FReeper, Steel Wolf, was kind enough to help me understand why Muslims do not rise to the occasion and stop Muslim violence toward non-Muslims. Here's what he wrote:

"Under Islam, apostates may be killed, even if they are nominally Muslim. Good Muslims are not supposed to kill other good Muslims under any circumstance.

That said,

What we would call a 'moderate Muslim' is an apostate. Rejecting jihad, living peacefully with your infidel neighbors and friends, pretty much anything that's not fundamentalist Islam, can be construed to be apostasy. That means that under Islam, it's more permissable for Bin Laden to kill American Muslims than it would be for them to kill him."


Something that should be used is conversion of Muslims in western nations. The Koran is loaded with accurate timelines and genealogical records taken from the Torah and Bible. Showing the Koran as a work of plagiarism must be strongly emphasized. The truth may hurt, but it doesn't hurt anywhere near as much as what I envision for those that remain Muslim.
26 posted on 10/02/2006 12:15:52 AM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: backtothestreets

the lib/dems can condone and appease the muzzies anyway they want...the answer is it is a death cult that is intent on world domination....there is no such thing as the religion of piece...it is all about D&D ...death & destruction...the pope quoting the 14th century emperor was correct...the muzzies bring nothing positive to the world table only death & destruction!

The five pillars of Islam..... murder, bestiality, terrorism, cowardice and abuse of women and children.

Know islam, no peace; No islam, know peace

If the Arabs put down their guns, there would be no more violence.
If the Israelis put down their guns, there would be no more Israel.


27 posted on 10/02/2006 3:35:12 AM PDT by hnj_00
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To: LibWhacker

Koran 8:12,13 says: "Strike off their heads. Strike off their fingertips... because they defied 'God' and 'his apostle'" (quotes mine)

Koran 9:23: "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you".

Islam is a Satanic mechanism to stir up trouble where there's peace.


28 posted on 10/02/2006 4:36:15 AM PDT by RoadTest ( Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. -2 Tim. 3:12)
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To: mysterio
>"it reduces us below the level of any enemy we could hope to vanquish."

Even if they commit genocide against you?

Get real. Muuuuhamhead (Pigs be inseminating her) commands them to commit genocide. Well at least to the men, the women he commands rape, and enslavement. Oh yeah rape and enslavement of the children as well.

Still think "genocide" against this scum puts us beneath them? Think again!

29 posted on 10/02/2006 4:51:52 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Never hurl the letter Q into a privet bush)
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To: LibWhacker
Jihad This!


30 posted on 10/02/2006 4:54:52 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: mysterio
"Killing terrorists is one thing, but killing every muslim worldwide is something entirely different."

Telling them apart is half the problem.

31 posted on 10/02/2006 4:59:08 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade)
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To: LibWhacker; All

Good thread. BTTT.


32 posted on 10/02/2006 5:01:32 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Brad Cloven

A good Indian friend points out that India has a huge Muslim population that is much less militant, usually because they are spending so much energy making money.


The Indians are also lucky in having the Sikhs to keep a very distrusting eye on Mo's mad followers


33 posted on 10/02/2006 5:01:40 AM PDT by crazycat
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To: LibWhacker

This is a good point about the terrorists comprising 10% of the world's Muslims. How are we supposed to sort out the 120 million dangerous Muslims from the other supposedly peaceful Muslims? Until and unless that silent majority steps up to the plate and forces the other 10% to change, we have no choice but to treat all Muslims as potential enemies.


34 posted on 10/02/2006 5:11:01 AM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: GSlob
I disagree. The problem with Islam is not a genetic one with it's proponents, it's a problem of culture. Unfortunately, the culture of Islam has put in place a number of self referential incentives, a friend calls these "negative feedback loops". These can be terminated, but it will take one of two things:

1. A slow and constant pressure on their system for a period of years, maybe MANY years, but over time, their systems will change.

2. A MASSIVE shock to their culture and value system which causes them to reexamine everything about their culture and lifestyles.


The scenario I see playing out is that some nutjob gets a bomb from Iran or Pakistan, and they bomb a western city. (I'm hoping for LA because of the sociological impact and frankly because I don't live there. It's also fairly easy to get a bomb into the port of Long Beach without having to worry about passing Suez or Panama.) Once that happens we respond by reducing the non oil generating population centers of the Arab world to glass...then the people who are left decide to sincerely "rethink Islam".
35 posted on 10/02/2006 5:12:06 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: Sundog; Eaker; humblegunner; TheMom; thackney; pax_et_bonum; Allegra; Xenalyte; dasher; ...

Look out now...Burt really stepped into it this time!!!

The only problem is I wish I could step into it too!

They'll be rioting in the streets with all the "Death to America! Death to Israel!" chanting and general blah blah blah...To keep it interesting, you'd think the pontificators would come up with new and original chants or something to keep us wired into their 15 minutes of fame...They really are begining to bore me now...

I've been looking for ways to offend, but I guess I am just not as polished or published enough...Dirnit!


36 posted on 10/02/2006 5:34:41 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: mysterio

well, then be willing to acceph dhimmitude, at least for your descendants.


37 posted on 10/02/2006 5:51:54 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: tcostell
The scenario I see playing out is that some nutjob gets a bomb from Iran or Pakistan, and they bomb a western city. (I'm hoping for LA because of the sociological impact and frankly because I don't live there. It's also fairly easy to get a bomb into the port of Long Beach without having to worry about passing Suez or Panama.) Once that happens we respond by reducing the non oil generating population centers of the Arab world to glass...then the people who are left decide to sincerely "rethink Islam".

Unfortunately You are very much on point. One variation That could come into play if we had the political will would be to become energy independent by opening up our petroleum producing regions and continuing to develop other energy resources. This would reduce the flow of currency to the worst offenders causing them to replace their income by becoming productive. That would take spare time off their hands that they now use for their evil purposes. I don't think we realize what changes are being forced on Philistine because we have reduced their welfare payments. They might be moving toward a productive nation in order to eat.

38 posted on 10/02/2006 5:54:28 AM PDT by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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To: mysterio

Perhaps we should start by only killing those moslims who would kill us......that might not be all of them, but again it might well be.


39 posted on 10/02/2006 5:55:00 AM PDT by newcthem (Brought to you by the INFIDEL PARTY)
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To: River_Wrangler
Opps. Philistine = Palestine Not enough coffee.
40 posted on 10/02/2006 5:56:29 AM PDT by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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To: River_Wrangler
I think that's a nice idea, and would be effective in principle, but as someone who worked in the energy trading industry for a substantial period of time, I think the idea of us becoming energy "independent" is unlikely even if we had the political will. Most of the technology that applies to so called energy independence doesn't come into play until oil is above 30 per barrel. And even so, just because we become independent doesn't mean china and Europe will... they will continue to by a fungible natural resource from the people most able to supply it, and where oil is concerned ... that's Saudi Arabia.SA has the lowest cost per barrel by a substantial margin... and there is no getting away from that. you can subsidize other technology, but that doesn't actually change it's net cost, only it's price to the consumer. And at the end of the day we simply don't have the resources to produce enough "low cost" energy to meet our needs.

One way that would make your scenario play out however would be if all those peak oil estimates (which I don't actually agree with) were to play out, and we simply use it all up. That would put us and our technology at a competitive advantage, and they could all go back to selling each other camels and rugs.

41 posted on 10/02/2006 6:02:06 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: FarRightFanatic
I think another reason they don't fight is because they are afraid that, deep down, the Islamist Nazis might actually have the correct interpretation of what God (Allah) wants. If they fight against it, they'll wind up on the wrong side of eternity.

To fight this is one of Bush's strategies - to eventually tip the Muslim frame of mind to the point where they begin to doubt. When enough of them start believing "Allah is not with them [the terrorists]," it will be the beginning of their end.

42 posted on 10/02/2006 6:09:08 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: newcthem
Perhaps we should start by only killing those moslims who would kill us......that might not be all of them, but again it might well be

Great idea. We can take a survey by handing out these flyers.

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Jihadist Reduction Program

Are you planning on attacking the citizens, infrastructure, personal or government property of the United States of America, either within its territorial boundaries or abroad, with the intent to cause death, injury, destruction, or mass casualties? (Circle one)

Yes
No
Maybe

If you answered "Yes" or "Mabye", please write your name, address, date of birth, and a good daytime telephone number below.

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43 posted on 10/02/2006 6:10:42 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: River_Wrangler

Actually, you are spot on...good on you. The two words are related and the Palestinians of today are little different from the murderous Philistines of three millenia ago. The same enmity. The same violence. The same spiritual driving ha-satan.


44 posted on 10/02/2006 6:15:27 AM PDT by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere (and Their Most Intelligent Designer))
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To: LibWhacker

Agreed we do not need to stain our hands with genocide. That would make us no better than they are. But what we do need to do is contain them. Keep them out of our country, send the ones who are here home, and encourage other Western nations to do the same. Contain them, make them stay in their home countries and do not allow them to infect us. They want to live in the freedom and prosperity of our countries, but they don't have a clue how to live with us in peace and want to destroy the very societies they migrated to. So they can stay home.


45 posted on 10/02/2006 6:19:05 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: Brad Cloven
"A good Indian friend points out that India has a huge Muslim population that is much less militant, usually because they are spending so much energy making money."

The other path: The Economic Answer to Terrorism, de soto

Addresses South American Marxist terrorism but might be relevant to the islamic problem.

For general interest: The mystery of capital, de soto

46 posted on 10/02/2006 6:25:11 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: LibWhacker
Everyone talks about the "peaceful" muslims. When "peaceful" muslims are able to change our culture by absurdly creating alcohol free cabs, there is no such thing as a "peaceful" muslim. Does it matter if aggression is straight forward or passive? It's just a fight now or somewhere down the line. They have no respect for the West.

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"

--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998
47 posted on 10/02/2006 6:29:25 AM PDT by Vision ("As a man thinks...so is he." Proverbs 23:7)
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To: 3AngelaD
"...They want to live in the freedom and prosperity of our countries..."

I don't think that they think to themselves, or discuss among themselves, hey, let's move to America, or Britain, because you know, I'd like to be more free. That would presume they come here and become gainfully employed and start accumulating wealth. That is not what happens.

Those who have come here or gone to Britain and become the most vocal with their virulent hatred agitating for violence while speaking pubicly to large groups of muslims, THEY ARE ON THE DOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And far as I know they still are. Why. Why does the state subsidize nests of radical islam...see the French with their high rise ghettos of segregated muslims on public assistance, the ones that rioted a few months back. That's not freedom. That's not prosperity. As there is a blood supply to the cancerous tumor that eventually metastasizes and kills the patient, welfare and the socialism that supports it is the supply of nourishment to the cancerous tumors of insular islam existing in these ghettos that will result in the death of the patient, the west. Some cancers are treated by cutting off the blood supply to the tumor. The west must, Must, MUST eliminate welfare and relief for these muslims so they can either go to work and join the real world, or leave. And we might want to rethink welfare for the white and the black natives as well, it does them no more good than it does the muslims.

48 posted on 10/02/2006 6:49:42 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: Vision
You are not talking about the peaceful muslims. Any muslims in the news are not peaceful, because if they were, they wouldn't be in the news. But there are those who are not in the news because they are peaceful and are just going about their business not trying to change anything.

I know christians who don't read the bible, but claim to be christians. I work here with muslims who will tell you they are muslims, but they drink, smoke, party, date,behave just like westerners, never a word about jihad. They are educated, and products of the west. They don't pray 5 times a day either. And seldom do they open a koran, and if they do it's a reading, in one ear and out the other. Like mass in latin.

Funny thing about religion, if you grow up with your parents telling you that you are [fill in the blank], then [fill in the blank] is what you are going to feel you are for the rest of your life. It is also very possible you may not know much about the religion of [fill in the blank], and get all your guidance from the surrounding prevailing culture and mores, and not from the main figure of the religion of [fill in the blank]. And if everyone else in the religion of [fill in the blank] goes berserko and blows up the planet, you will wonder what is wrong with those wackos but you will still feel you have the identity of [fill in the blank]. It is just how the mind works. If they can't tell you they are muslim, then they will be at a loss to tell you what they are because they are not christian, not jewish, not atheist, not agnostic, so it puts them in a very uncomfortable position. They don't want to be nothing after they were told as children that they are muslim children.

We recognize individual responsibility in this country, we abhor group rights and group responsibility. The minority western muslims who are not in the news are neither individually nor group responsible for the vast majority uneducated backward Eastern barbarian muslims, nor should they be. But we should be damn careful who we let in this country and upon the least suspicion that an entrant applicant is going to be a "tough nut" regarding the west, deny deny deny. And expel those who are here now and have not assimilated and are engaged in nefarious activities. And for God's sake, stop the socialism that is enabling disaffected poor people of any or no religion who cannot connect with productive society.

49 posted on 10/02/2006 7:14:02 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: Jason_b

I agree with you 100 percent. The come to our societies as parasites, and to behave in ways their societies would not allow.


50 posted on 10/02/2006 7:56:10 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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