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Von Braun team 'prisoners of peace'
The Huntsville Times ^ | Monday, October 02, 2006 | SHELBY G. SPIRES

Posted on 10/02/2006 6:00:15 AM PDT by Condor 63

While cobbling together captured V-2 rockets in the Texas desert shortly after World War II, German rocket scientists called themselves POPs - "prisoners of peace" - to alleviate the sometimes tedious work of America's infant rocket program, a key member of Dr. Wernher von Braun's German rocket team said Sunday.

Dr. Ernst Stuhlinger, who was close to von Braun during World War II and at Redstone, said the German team is significant in history not only for the advances in rocketry and science but also because of their role as volunteers.In modern history, Stuhlinger told a group of about 200 people, the German team and its work with the U.S. Army in the late 1940s "marks the first time after a major war that technically minded people were transferred from the vanquished to the victors by invitation."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Alabama; US: Florida; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: spaceprogram; wernhervonbraun

1 posted on 10/02/2006 6:00:16 AM PDT by Condor 63
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To: Condor 63
See Race To The Moon 1957:1975 for a very detailed look at that era. I don't recall offhand seeing those sentiments echoed.
2 posted on 10/02/2006 6:02:52 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Treaty Fetishism: "[The] belief that a piece of paper will alter the behavior of thugs." R. Lowry.)
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To: NonValueAdded

"Once ze rockets go up, who cares where ze come down? That's not my department," says Verner von Braun.


3 posted on 10/02/2006 6:09:55 AM PDT by Socratic ( "Better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied" - J.S. Mill)
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To: Socratic
"I shot an arrow in the air
where it lands, I do not care

I get my arrows wholesale
"
Curley Howard
4 posted on 10/02/2006 6:14:41 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Treaty Fetishism: "[The] belief that a piece of paper will alter the behavior of thugs." R. Lowry.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.


5 posted on 10/02/2006 6:18:37 AM PDT by Socratic ( "Better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied" - J.S. Mill)
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To: Condor 63

The grays speak a higher form of Humgarian


6 posted on 10/02/2006 6:20:19 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Condor 63
The Germans had hidden volumes of technical drawings and equipment in a mineshaft, and von Braun turned these over to the U.S. Army. Initially, Stuhlinger said, von Braun told Army leaders that 500 German rocket scientists should be allowed to travel to the United States. But, to that suggestion, Pentagon officials cabled back: "No way." Stuhlinger said, "They would allow only 100, but eventually 118 came over."

In the early 1970's, I had a highschool German teacher who had been a CIC operative in post-wat Berlin. He liked to say that the reason we got to the moon first was because we nabbed the right German scientists before the Russians could get them.

7 posted on 10/02/2006 6:39:06 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (The Red Chinese are building MG's in Oklahoma-- that's just wrong on so many levels.)
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To: Condor 63

I know these scientists worked very diligently for the US after the war but it probably isn't a good idea to look too closely into how they actually built those rockets when they worked for Hitler or your opinion of them might change.


8 posted on 10/02/2006 6:47:24 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Condor 63

W.v.B. used to tool around Huntsville in a pick-up truck with the Alabama tags, NASA-1.

Germans turned to rocketry because their artillery was constrained by the Treaty of Versailles.

After the war, the biggest question for the Allied leaders about the V-2 wasn't "How did they do it?", rather "Why did they do it?" The V-weapons were militarily insignificant but politically potent. They consumed massive amounts of man power and money, but were vastly cost ineffective. The Germans spent an amount on the V-weapons that was about equal to the amount spent by the Americans on the A-Bomb. The Germans had a developmental eight engine jet bomber that could reach New York. (The big question in the 1950's was "Could the AEC make ballistic missiles practical?") If the money spent on V-2s had been put into long range bombers and atomic weapons the outcome of the war might have been very different.

The Germans had a working nuclear reactor in Berlin in 1945, not as part of any weapons program, purely for research.

This leads to some very scary "what-ifs".


9 posted on 10/02/2006 6:50:01 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: jalisco555

There was a tangential discussion about the German scientists a couple weeks ago when some old woman who'd served as a guard at a concentration camp was deported this year.

The Germans were working on weapons and shelling cities with missiles.


10 posted on 10/02/2006 6:55:44 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: weegee
The Germans were working on weapons and shelling cities with missiles.

And using slaves to build these weapons.

11 posted on 10/02/2006 7:02:43 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: zot

ping


12 posted on 10/02/2006 7:33:36 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( (3rd Armored Division - Spearhead))
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To: mikeus_maximus

Our Germans are better then their Germans.


13 posted on 10/02/2006 7:36:21 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: mikeus_maximus
He liked to say that the reason we got to the moon first was because we nabbed the right German scientists before the Russians could get them.

It's my understanding that Von Braun's team was made up of mostly "guidance and control" engineers. The Russians got a team composed of mainly "propulsion" engineers.

This may explain why the Russians were able to put heavier payloads into orbit during the early years.

14 posted on 10/02/2006 7:53:40 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Fake but Accurate": NY Times)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Makes sense. Thanks.


15 posted on 10/02/2006 9:00:13 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (The Red Chinese are building MG's in Oklahoma-- that's just wrong on so many levels.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The "V" stood for the German equivalent of "vengeance." They were purely terror weapons from an evilmind. The V1 and V2 did manage to kill 8000 or so Brits. Had they completed the V3's, it would have been worse.


16 posted on 10/02/2006 9:04:35 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (The Red Chinese are building MG's in Oklahoma-- that's just wrong on so many levels.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. Gerhard Eber designed the V-2 airframe. He stayed at Holloman AFB with about half of the German rocket scientists when the other half went to Redstone with Von Braun. In the 1960s he was the Technical Director of the Air Force Office of Research Analyses. I was assigned there in 1966, and Dr. Eber soon earned my respect.

At a beer party one night, I said to him, "Excuse me if I'm out of line, but I don't see how you were ever a Nazi."

He replied, " Vell, I vas never a member of the party, but I vas known in Germany as an aerodynamicist. The men from the party, they came to me, and they gave me a choice. It vas Penemunde or Auschwitz."


17 posted on 10/02/2006 3:45:04 PM PDT by zot (GWB -- the most slandered man of this decade)
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To: mikeus_maximus
Vergeltung.

While 8,000 civilian fatalities was painful, it was militarily insignificant. The U.S. spent $200 million (1943) dollars on the SCR-584 radar directed guns used to kill V-1's, fairly effectively. Eisenhower objected on the grounds that the money could be used more effectively for conventional weapons.

The V- designation was used by the Nazi party. The V-2 was, of course the A-9 at Peenemunde, the A-10 was in planning.
18 posted on 10/02/2006 3:52:12 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: Socratic

We always need more Tom Lehrer in our day. Thanks.


19 posted on 10/02/2006 8:04:21 PM PDT by MikeD (We live in a world where babies are like velveteen rabbits that only become real if they are loved.)
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To: MikeD

And we all need some New Horizons in ours. Good going.


20 posted on 10/02/2006 10:14:33 PM PDT by Socratic ( "Better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied" - J.S. Mill)
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