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Hypocrisy, Democrat Style
The American Spectator ^ | October 2, 2006 | Ben Stein

Posted on 10/02/2006 6:17:26 AM PDT by libstripper

If there were an Academy Award for Hypocrisy, the surefire favorite for 2006 would be the Democratic Party. Just two recent items make the decision a virtual certainty:

The Representative Foley "scandal" is really worthy of a whole book on hypocrisy. On the one hand, we have a poor misguided Republican man who had a romantic thing for young boys. He sent them suggestive e-mail. I agree, that's not great. On the other hand, we have a Democratic party that worships ( not likes, WORSHIPS ) a man named Bill Clinton who did not send suggestive e-mails as far as we know, but who had a barely legal intern give him oral sex kneeling under his desk in the Oval Office while he talked on the phone to a Congressional Committee Chairman, took great pleasure in putting a cigar in her orifice and then smelling it and tasting it, and having her fellate him when in the sacred seat of power of the world's leading Republic.

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This is what we need to hit the DemonRats with, over and over.
1 posted on 10/02/2006 6:17:26 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper; carton253; Non-Sequitur

Bravo!!


2 posted on 10/02/2006 6:19:09 AM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaeda)
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To: Perdogg; libstripper; carton253; Non-Sequitur
IS BEN STEIN A FREEPER??

Another thread about Foley
3 posted on 10/02/2006 6:22:11 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: libstripper

Clinton and the intern,
Barney Frank's escort service,
the Mel Reynolds incident,
McGreevy,
Teddy "the swimmer,"
the Dem list is ENDLESS.


4 posted on 10/02/2006 6:23:40 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: libstripper

Fight back, but don't expect the White House or Congress to do it. This will have to be done by the grass roots.


5 posted on 10/02/2006 6:24:45 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: libstripper

While both are sick, sick, behavior, I can't see how trying to equate inappropriate behavior among cosenting adults to someone trying to seduce a minor is a winning tactic.

One, while perverse, was legal (but the lie wasn't). The other may very well have been a crime though I'm withholding judgement until the smoke clears and the facts start to become visible.


6 posted on 10/02/2006 6:25:08 AM PDT by Air Force Brat
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don't know, but if he is...I LOVE you, Ben!


7 posted on 10/02/2006 6:26:16 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (The dems. can't have a fool-proof plan. There would be no one left in their base.)
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To: libstripper
Democrats who live in a Glass House, shouldn't throw stones.

Gerry Eastman Studds (born May 12, 1937) is a retired American politician, born in Mineola, New York. He served as a Democratic Congressman for Massachusetts from 1973 until 1996. He was the first openly homosexual member of the US Congress and, more generally, the first openly gay national politician in the US. In 1983, he admitted having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old male page a decade earlier.

8 posted on 10/02/2006 6:26:48 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: libstripper

the Democratic Party


Yep there's an H,a Y, a P,an O,a C,an R,an I,a T, and an E
You have "The Democratic Party", and you ,for sure, have a hypocrite..


9 posted on 10/02/2006 6:27:09 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: libstripper

btttt


10 posted on 10/02/2006 6:27:24 AM PDT by petercooper (It could be worse, it could be raining.)
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To: Muzzle_em

That is the difference between us and them. We get rid of our who do wrong. The Rats keep theirs


11 posted on 10/02/2006 6:29:13 AM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: AmericanMade1776

You nailed it. Gerry Studds should be the immediate response to this Foley matter. But does the GOP leadership, starting with (cough) Ken Mehlman have the guts to go this route? Sadly, I tend to doubt it.


12 posted on 10/02/2006 6:31:22 AM PDT by tennbob67
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To: Kaslin

If they got rid of everyone who did wrong on their side, there would be no on left.


13 posted on 10/02/2006 6:31:42 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (The dems. can't have a fool-proof plan. There would be no one left in their base.)
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To: Air Force Brat

Excuse me, but when did sexual harassment become sex between two consenting adults?

ML was a subordinate in a work environment to BC. Consenting or not this is by definition sexual harassment.

How many other employees/interns suffered because of the selfish actions of these two pigs?


14 posted on 10/02/2006 6:32:22 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

FRANK: "Why can't we get BRAVO on Capitol Hill?"

15 posted on 10/02/2006 6:32:43 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Muzzle_em

Foley's main problem was being from the wrong state/district.

Folk in Massachusetts not only see nothing wrong with pedophilia between Congressmen and their pages, they consider such men worthy of multiple re-election and a rich contented retirement on the public dime, to a million dollar condo with a gay lover.

Therefore, John effin and Barney Franks et al ought to be speaking out in defense of Foley.

G-E-R-R-Y S-T-U-D-D-S


16 posted on 10/02/2006 6:33:35 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Air Force Brat

FWIW, Sexual harassment is not legal.


17 posted on 10/02/2006 6:33:37 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: Muzzle_em

Don't forget Gerry Studds.


18 posted on 10/02/2006 6:34:11 AM PDT by Clifford The Big Red Dog (Woof!)
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To: tennbob67

Sadly Gerry Studds a Democrat from Massachusetts, did more than e-mail sex messages to Pages, he actually admitted having a sexual affair with a male page...in 1983, and did not even leave the House until 1996, 13 years after the fact.


19 posted on 10/02/2006 6:34:26 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: Air Force Brat

I'm not sure how age of consent laws factor into a case that involves emails that might have crossed state lines, but the age of consent in DC is 16--the age of the youngest page Foley turned his attention to. If it turns out to just involve DC jurisdiction then it really is no different than the Lewinsky fiasco. Maybe the House leadership knows this and in calling for an immediate investigation they want the parallel to come out quickly and more fully highlight the hypocrisy of the Democrats.

The situation is horrible, but I think it's being handled as best that it can be by the Republicans. Thank goodness Foley immediately resigned and is not trying to cling to office and drag the party down further with him. And thank goodness the leadership isn't hesitating on what to do.


20 posted on 10/02/2006 6:36:50 AM PDT by Burkean
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To: frogjerk

On July 20, 1983, Gerry was censured for having an affair 10 years earlier with a male page. He turned his back as the charges against him were read. The anti-gay crew had worked hard to demonize him (as they would Barney Frank several years later over allegations of a male prostitute having clients in Frank's apartment). Gerry held a press conference with the page and admitted to a relationship. http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Gerry_Studds


21 posted on 10/02/2006 6:39:35 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: libstripper; Mrs. Don-o; sandyeggo; sitetest; BlackElk
On the one hand, we have a poor misguided Republican man who had a romantic thing for young boys.

*Yeah, right. "...poor,misguided...man...with a romantic thing...? That is an asbsolutely detestable framing of Foley's crimes. That formulation is sympathetic and seems to ecpress compassion for that miserable bastard who was courting catamites among those for whom he is supposed to be acting in loco parentis.

And what about his victims?

Of course Foley has now run oft to some drug rehab center and we can boo hoo over his addiciton to alcohol too.

Poiticising the issue is to be expected - all the bastards are politicans and act politically.

But, Stein fails miserably here right from the get go.

22 posted on 10/02/2006 6:40:41 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: libstripper

As usual, Ben Stein hits the nail squarely on its head.


23 posted on 10/02/2006 6:40:53 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: AmericanMade1776; All

And,boys and girls,lets not forget one more thing about Studds...after having been censured by the House,he rose on the floor of the House and delivered a blistering attack at those who voted to censure and made it clear that he felt *no* shame or *no* remorse for what he did.


24 posted on 10/02/2006 6:42:20 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: AmericanMade1776

I see where Foley is "coming out" as an alcholic. How about "coming out" as a homosexual? It will be very interesting to see how the Times and CNN handles that announcement when/if it occurs. After all, this is part and parcel of the "lifestyle"


25 posted on 10/02/2006 6:42:29 AM PDT by tennbob67
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To: proudpapa
ML was a subordinate in a work environment to BC. Consenting or not this is by definition sexual harassment.
When did consenting sex between two adults, regardless if one is a subordinate of the other, become the definition of sexual harassment? Did I miss something?
26 posted on 10/02/2006 6:46:11 AM PDT by Your Nightmare
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To: Muzzle_em
Don't forget the gap in this one:

Everyone is equal

BUT we need affirmative action to protect Women, Blacks, and...what would they do without us?

27 posted on 10/02/2006 6:48:55 AM PDT by radar101
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To: Perdogg
Is "Billy did it too!" going to become our new anthem. How pitiful. When I tried to excuse my bad behavior by pointing out my brother's bad behavior, my parents would not let me get away with it.

I know what Clinton did. I know how the Dems treat him. But that does not excuse Foley nor should it get him off the hot seat. He was wrong and must answer. And if the Repubs knew about it and kept it silenced...they were wrong also.

So I don't want to hear "Billy did it too!"

28 posted on 10/02/2006 6:52:14 AM PDT by carton253 (He who would kill you, get up early and kill him first.)
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To: Your Nightmare

When it occurs AT WORK and one is a subordinate of the other, it is ALWAYS sexual harassment.

All the other interns could easily have file a grievance that ML had received preferential treatment, and won a lot of dough.

As I recall, Jordan went out of his way to help ML find a high paying, do nothing job in New York.

Did he do this for every intern or just ML?


29 posted on 10/02/2006 6:53:25 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: bornacatholic

Dear bornacatholic,

I agree that in his efforts to properly paint Democrat hypocrisy, Mr. Stein goes too far in white-washing the actions of Mr. Foley.

However, one merely needs to remember the name "Garry Studds" (if his story had been a work of fiction, it would have been dismissed as poorly-written with ridiculously overwrought character names) to put this all into the proper perspective.

Republican pervert: resigns from Congress, faces criminal investigation, even calls for a special prosecutor [* chuckle *].

Democrat pervert: re-elected to Congress, gives flaming self-apologia from the floor of the House of Representatives, no mention of potentially illegal actions requiring criminal investigation.

But that's why we say that the while the Democrat Party is the Party of Satan, we do not say that the GOP is the Party of God, but rather, the Stupid Party.


sitetest


30 posted on 10/02/2006 6:53:41 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: proudpapa
Help me out... is your definition truly the definition of sexual harassment. Because if they are consenting (meaning one was not forced by having her job put in jeopardy), where's the harassment?

Wouldn't Jordan's part be 1) either the coverup or 2) the blackmail.

31 posted on 10/02/2006 6:57:13 AM PDT by carton253 (He who would kill you, get up early and kill him first.)
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To: Your Nightmare

Dear Your Nightmare,

Many organizations try to prevent romantic/sexual relationships between individuals where one is in a chain of command directly subordinate to the other. It can become difficult to tell if and when the relationship is truly consensual, or conversely, when it ceases to be truly consensual.

Where the disparity between the two partners is as great as in the case of Mr. Clinton and Ms. Lewinsky, it wouldn't be unfair to say that the relationship may be viewed as inherently abusive.


sitetest


32 posted on 10/02/2006 6:58:38 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
the Stupid Party.

*Sam Francis lives :)

I agree with your point - up to a point. T'Hell was Hastert thinking when he heard about Foley's earlier emails? I would not have bought Foley's lame excuse. You wouldn't have either.

In Foley's case, where there was questionable email smoke, there was a sulphurous lust generating it.

Hastert and the republicans missed a golden opportunity to re-establish moral credibility, imo.

33 posted on 10/02/2006 7:05:27 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: libstripper
Did Foley commit any crime?

From what I discern thus far the emails to the pages where after they left D.C. and and the lurid IMs where after they turned 17. And that while the pages worked in Congress Foley didn't approach any of them for 'anything', the pages just found him "creepy".

Now over the years I've had to deal with some gay Architects, Engineers and building owners - and the way they act and talk can definitely be considered "creepy" by anyone whose straight and for sure by a 16 yo teen. Not exactly 'flaming', but close.

Note: I'm not sticking up for him, he's sick, but was any actual crime committed, i.e. age of consent?

An aside, if Hastert would have admonished Foley for the 'friendly' emails, would that be "Gay Bashing", or discrimination? And could Foley have sued?

34 posted on 10/02/2006 7:05:39 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Alot" is NOT a word and doesn't mean "many". It is 'a lot', two separate words.)
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To: carton253
Knowledge of the questionable CREW website might reveal it was the donks who knew the info and kept it until the time was ripe to strike.

But, expecting politicis would not act politically would be irrational.

I doubt emaiing and IM'ing was all Foley was doing

35 posted on 10/02/2006 7:08:59 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: carton253

Sex between consenting adults, one of whom is a subordinate of the other, is not LEGALLY sexual harassment. But it is so easy to transform it into sexual harassment in litigation that it is sexual harassment FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES.


36 posted on 10/02/2006 7:09:29 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: bornacatholic

Dear bornacatholic,

My understanding is that the e-mails were ambiguous, it's the IMs that really put Mr. Foley under. And I understand that Speaker Hastert only saw the e-mails initially.

In that it is no longer considered acceptable in our society to "discriminate" against folks because they are homosexual, Mr. Hastert may have been wary to be seen "persecuting" a "gay" Republican.

The problem is that the hypocrisy of this situation stretches well out of the confines of the US House of Representatives, and implicates the wider society.


sitetest


37 posted on 10/02/2006 7:11:48 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: bornacatholic

Does it really matter if the 16 year old emailed him back. He's the adult...he's the one in position...


38 posted on 10/02/2006 7:12:04 AM PDT by carton253 (He who would kill you, get up early and kill him first.)
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To: Your Nightmare
When did consenting sex between two adults, regardless if one is a subordinate of the other, become the definition of sexual harassment? Did I miss something?

Obviously you have...do you know ANYTHING about employment law?

39 posted on 10/02/2006 7:13:54 AM PDT by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: Taliesan
Now that I understand...the turning it to harassment after the fact. But it still doesn't make it sexual harassment during the affair. A fine point I know that is lost on a lot of juries.
40 posted on 10/02/2006 7:13:54 AM PDT by carton253 (He who would kill you, get up early and kill him first.)
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To: Condor51

Dear Condor51,

In one of the IM conversations that has been published, the page reminded Mr. Foley that he was not yet of age, yet Mr. Foley's side of the conversation may have crossed the line in terms of how explicit he was.


sitetest


41 posted on 10/02/2006 7:15:14 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: carton253
Help me out... is your definition truly the definition of sexual harassment. Because if they are consenting (meaning one was not forced by having her job put in jeopardy), where's the harassment?

It's not just about Lewinsky, it's about the workplace and everyone else there.

42 posted on 10/02/2006 7:16:22 AM PDT by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: sitetest
I'm in a nostalgic mood. Here is a precious photo of Barney Frank and his boyfriend

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43 posted on 10/02/2006 7:16:53 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: sitetest

yer right, as usual


44 posted on 10/02/2006 7:17:51 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

Aw man! How'm I gonna finish my breakfast now??


Yech!!!!


45 posted on 10/02/2006 7:19:27 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: gogeo

I know its about the workplace and everyone else there. But, if there is no threat to the job...if the person who was "harassed" says there was no threat or advancement, and she/he had the affair and no regrets - has harassment taken place? No it hasn't... can the supervisor then be charged with harassment? You are saying its a blanket law. Supervisor/subordinate no matter what...harassment!


46 posted on 10/02/2006 7:20:39 AM PDT by carton253 (He who would kill you, get up early and kill him first.)
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To: carton253

I must not have made myself clear. Nothing Foley did is defensible. HIs relationship with the pages ought have been based upon Foley acting in loco parentis. Personally, I suspect the emails and the IM'ing were not isolated instances. I sure hope that is all they represent though


47 posted on 10/02/2006 7:21:23 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: libstripper

The problem, Ben, is that the Republican Party sells itself as the party of morality, of Christianity, of decent behavior. It does not ally itself with sexual immorality or perversity of any sort. So for the Republican leadership to sweep this under the rug for so long and try to run this guy for reelection is hypocrisy.

And before anyone says that Denny Hastert didn't know about it until just the other day: Ben, the gay community in Foley's district in Palm Beach knew Foley to be queer and a predator. A lot of people on the Hill knew about this and had to warn young pages about Foley. It was not much of a secret, apparently.

What they had to warn the kids about was not that Foley had a "romantic" thing for young boys, but that he was a predator. To call what he was doing "a romantic thing" trivializes and glamorizes a filthy perversion.

Yes, what Gerry Studds and Teddy Kennedy and Bill Clinton and Barney Franks did was profoundly wrong. All of them ought to have been horsewhipped and driven from office, then put in jail. But if we are indeed the party of decent people, the party of normalcy, the party of Christianity, then we cannot make excuses for what Foley did.

The Republican Party is now going to lose big-time in November. That means we are all going to be punished for what this one evil man did.


48 posted on 10/02/2006 7:21:44 AM PDT by Fairview
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To: sitetest
Okay thank.

I hadn't heard of them still being under age. So if that's the case Foley should be doing hard time. He'll be Tyrone's b*tch by day two in the Graybar Hotel.

49 posted on 10/02/2006 7:22:15 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Alot" is NOT a word and doesn't mean "many". It is 'a lot', two separate words.)
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To: libstripper
Disagree.

It's because of people like Bill Clinton and Barney Frank that the Republicans are able to take the moral high ground in topics such as gay marriage and the like.

To keep this goober as the freaking chairman of the committee for exploited children all the while it was well known that he was gay and had a scent of scandal on him is beyond prepostorous.

I am more outraged at the way the MSM and Washington Post has made Woodward's book the top story of the week. It's disgraceful...and a good thing I'm not president.

50 posted on 10/02/2006 7:23:19 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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