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Frist: Remarks about Taliban distorted and taken out of context
Townhall ^ | October 2, 2006 | Bill Frist

Posted on 10/02/2006 3:29:40 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns

Edited on 10/02/2006 3:49:15 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Bill Frist: "I’m currently overseas visiting our troops in Afghanistan, but I wanted to take a moment to address an Associated Press story titled, “Frist: Taliban Should Be in Afghan Gov’t.” The story badly distorts my remarks and takes them out of context.

First of all, let me make something clear: The Taliban is a murderous band of terrorists who’ve oppressed the people of Afghanistan with their hateful ideology long enough. America’s overthrow of the Taliban and support for responsible, democratic governance in Afghanistan is a great accomplishment that should not and will not be reversed.

Having discussed the situation with commanders on the ground, I believe that we cannot stabilize Afghanistan purely through military means. Our counter-insurgency strategy must win hearts and minds and persuade moderate Islamists potentially sympathetic to the Taliban to accept the legitimacy of the Afghan national government and democratic political processes.

National reconciliation is a necessary and an urgent priority … but America will never negotiate with terrorists or support their entry into Afghanistan’s government. "

Related thread: U.S. Senate majority leader calls for efforts to bring Taliban into Afghan government


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1 posted on 10/02/2006 3:29:41 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: Roscoe Karns

Well that sure screws up a perfectly good chance to knee jerk.


2 posted on 10/02/2006 3:30:31 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Roscoe Karns

That's quite different from the AP story thread where I ripped him a new one.


3 posted on 10/02/2006 3:30:47 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Roscoe Karns

Thank God. I thought Frist had lost his mind over this.
Should have known it was the MSM at their best (worst!).


4 posted on 10/02/2006 3:30:52 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX (Bible Thumper and Proud!))
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To: Roscoe Karns

Sounds like "I didn't say what I said and I'll say it again" to me.


5 posted on 10/02/2006 3:31:37 PM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: Roscoe Karns

You are right -- your link is perfect. Folks need to go to it and read down through the entries.


6 posted on 10/02/2006 3:32:48 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Roscoe Karns

Damn, I JUSt sent an e-mail to Frist begging him to issue a clarification....I swear


7 posted on 10/02/2006 3:32:59 PM PDT by RacerX1128
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To: Roscoe Karns

If I'm reading what you provided correctly, Frist provided an updated clarification of his earlier remarks. But what were his earlier remarks, exactly? Or are they there and I missed them? Thx


8 posted on 10/02/2006 3:35:42 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: jmc1969; excludethis; BeHoldAPaleHorse; NewLand; saganite; Between the Lines; CharlesWayneCT; ...

Ping.


9 posted on 10/02/2006 3:35:54 PM PDT by Alia
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To: RacerX1128

Wow! You're good! ;o)


10 posted on 10/02/2006 3:35:58 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Roscoe Karns

I wondered when I read the first reports if this was another media hack job. I couldn't imagine Frist saying that--as presented, anyway.


11 posted on 10/02/2006 3:36:44 PM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: MizSterious

It's just the drive by media game of..."divide the republican base'....Watch for more 'alarmist' stories and headlines to come out before the election!


12 posted on 10/02/2006 3:39:22 PM PDT by penelopesire
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To: everyone

I'm willing to believe the comments were distorted, but it's a politician's job to make sure he cannot easily be distorted. And for a Republican politician, it's a necessity.

It will be good to have someone else as majority leader.
With Frist, you always had to put that term in quotes.
Even if we do badly in this election, at least our leader in the Senate, if it's McConnell, will be better. And we probably couldn't do worse.


13 posted on 10/02/2006 3:41:25 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: CWOJackson

I don't find his explanation any more persuasive than the original statement.


14 posted on 10/02/2006 3:42:53 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: tsmith130

Just lucky :)

Now I'm going to e-mail AP. Lot of good that will do but hey it'll make me feel a little better.


15 posted on 10/02/2006 3:44:31 PM PDT by RacerX1128
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
persuade moderate Islamists potentially sympathetic to the Taliban to accept the legitimacy of the Afghan national government and democratic political processes

What's wrong with that?

16 posted on 10/02/2006 3:45:11 PM PDT by what's up
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To: pillut48

NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER trust the MSM!


17 posted on 10/02/2006 3:46:14 PM PDT by what's up
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
I detest him and Hastert both, and this explanation isn't anything to be proud of, but it also isn't quite what was originally reported.

If he and Hastart really wanted to do this nation a service they would give up their (lack of) leadership positions.

18 posted on 10/02/2006 3:46:20 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Roscoe Karns

That's why the AP is called "Advocacy Press."


19 posted on 10/02/2006 3:46:30 PM PDT by msnimje (Seriously, if it REALLY were a religion of PEACE, would they have to label it as such?)
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To: L98Fiero

"Sounds like "I didn't say what I said and I'll say it again" to me."

After re-reading the original, I'll retract that post but I still don't like what Frist said. Of course he pretty much had to because it's true.

Personally, I think we overestimated the Muslim populations of these nations. We thought anyone in their right mind would choose freedom over oppressive theocracy. We were just wrong. Like the Palestinians, I think most Muslim countries, when given the chance to choose, choose very poorly, in accordance with what their Imam wants. By Frist's logic, we need to open dialog with the Imams of Iran and offer them government positions to solve the nuclear issue there. Not what I would call a good idea. They live to mislead and lie to us, just like the Talibanis.

The two schools of thought for our current conflict are "cut and run" and "stay the course". The former won't work and the latter isn't either. The "Course" is a touchy-feely PC crap war where we handle the enemy with kid gloves and grant too much comfort to our prisoners. How many American POWs are there? ZERO because our enemy doesn't take prisoners.

You don't win a war by winning hearts and minds. You win wars by killing the hell out of the enemy. We are not playing to win, we are playing not to lose, which is the surest way TO lose. The longer this war drags on, the more PC it gets and the weaker our side gets. Ultimately that will mean a "X" in the "L" column for America. I don't want that but the way we are "fighting" this war, I'm afraid it's coming.

Anyway, that's my "I quit smoking 3 days ago and everything is pi$$ing me off" rant. ;-p


20 posted on 10/02/2006 3:50:07 PM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: Roscoe Karns

Good. I loathe him a little less.


21 posted on 10/02/2006 3:50:17 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (better put some ice on that, Chris)
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero

There are a lot of people in Afghanistan who "support" the Taliban. There's a major tribe, the "Pashtun" tribe, which was largely supportive of the taliban, has 30 million members, and has been fighting the coalition forces.

We need to bring THEM into the government, rather than having them at WAR with their government. Just like we had to get the Sunni, Kurd, and Shia people together in afghanistan, even though the Sunni people supported the Batthists .

We can't simply wipe out everybody who doesn't think like we do. The Pashtun tribe isn't a terrorist organization, and we shouldn't treat them like it. They are a group of people who had their tribe divided in two by the British, and they want a say in the government they have to live under.

We need to bring them to the table, and get them involved. If we do, they will stop supporting the Taliban, and will work FOR Afghanistan instead of against it.


22 posted on 10/02/2006 3:52:39 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CWOJackson

Frist is getting ready to give up his Senate Leadership. His term ends in January and he is not running for reelection.

THANK GOD!!!


23 posted on 10/02/2006 3:56:00 PM PDT by no dems (I'll take a moral Mormon over a demonic Democrat or repugnant RINO anyday.)
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To: no dems

Amen...now if someone would only wake Hastert up and tell him Dunkin Donuts is offering free samples to regular Congressmen.


24 posted on 10/02/2006 3:57:01 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: L98Fiero
Sounds like "I didn't say what I said and I'll say it again" to me.

Sounds like you have a MSM IV in your arm.

25 posted on 10/02/2006 3:58:16 PM PDT by Howlin (Release the Joe Wilson Niger Report!!!!)
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To: Roscoe Karns

The lamestream media along with the dimwits coming upon this election is in NON STOP lying....as I remember this happened in 2004...shouldn't surprise any of us.


26 posted on 10/02/2006 3:58:30 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: CWOJackson

Frist should keep his lips clamped shut if he can't do better than this.

Number one, you don't telegraph to the other side that you recognize you can't win a military victory. Number two, you do NOT even hint that you want the Taliban to be a part of the government, which is the only way those sympathetic to the Taliban are going to sign on board a deal.

What this clarification amounts to is an acknowledgement of defeat and the hope we can get the Taliban to make nice.

Frist is NOT the developer of foreign policy. He's a Senate hack that can't get it right more often than not.

Next time I wish he'd stay home when he gets the urge to dip his fingers in something to fix it.


27 posted on 10/02/2006 3:58:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: no dems

Amen!


28 posted on 10/02/2006 3:59:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: CWOJackson

I'm with you on that one.


29 posted on 10/02/2006 4:01:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: Roscoe Karns; Perdogg

Perdogg- You had it right on the original thread!


30 posted on 10/02/2006 4:02:02 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: Howlin

"Sounds like you have a MSM IV in your arm."

I re-read the original and retracted that comment in post 20. I did however include a rant that will probably ruffle some feathers as well. :)


31 posted on 10/02/2006 4:02:19 PM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: Roscoe Karns

Good. I knew there was an explanation.

This is exactly what was said about the Sunni insurgents in Iraq. They can enter the government....those who haven't been terrorists.


32 posted on 10/02/2006 4:09:45 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: L98Fiero
Didn't ruffle my feathers any - you were dead-on right. Obviously this country must be pushed much further into a corner before we will react properly and prosecute this war against islam accepting nothing more than total victory. Anything else is just play acting for the ignorant masses.

Unless of course, the PC crap gets us first. Totally possible if we don't toughen up.

33 posted on 10/02/2006 4:13:24 PM PDT by liberty_lvr (Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.)
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To: Roscoe Karns

Sorry to burst your little bubble here folks, but Frist's "clarification" of his statements are not that different from what the AP has reported on his statements.

Yes, the AP article was much more harsh, but the difference is semantics. Frist clearly says we cannot win the war in Afghanistan militarily, and that instead we should "win hearts and minds" (a liberal approach to the War On Terror if there ever was one).

Since we cannot win the war militarily (according to Frist) and since the Taliban and Afghan Muslims will never accept us as an authority we cannot win "hearts and minds" either.

Frist is basically saying we should try a different approach with the Taliban. Why? Because many Afghans think the way they do and many Afghans support them.

Let us be very clear on one thing. The Taliban harbored, protected, supplied and directly supported Al-Qaeda, the same terrorist organization responsible for almost 3,000 american citizens dead and many thousands all over the world. If we even think about allowing the Taliban to join any kind of future government of Afghanistan then we can call the WoT off right now. At the same time, I'd like to see this administration face the families of the fallen soldiers who have fought on behalf of America in this War On Terror.

The question that remains is simple. Do we seek to democratize Islamic nations or not? Obviously there are two ways to handle this problem. One is cleaner, but impossible in my opinion. The other is messier, but doable if one takes into account the moral sacrifices which will have to be made. Will we force fascist regimes to democratize themselves? Will we seek to empower Muslim "moderates"? (if there is even such of a thing, I'm doubtful). Or, will we eradicate Muslim fundamentalism by striking massive blows to the heart of the Islamic world until they will eventually surrender or be annihilated? Whatever we must do, let this administration choose a serious course of action and stick with it. Make no mistake, if current trend continues we will lose this war and our dead body count will be unimaginable.

Consider this:

Allow the Taliban to rule in Afghaninstan.
Allow Hezbollah to have a stronghold in Lebanon.
Allow Syria to be a rampant terrorist aiding regime.
Allow Iran to acquire nukes and thus encouraging other Muslim nations to acquire nukes as well.
Allow Muslim fascists to take control of Somalia, which in turn will expand Muslim fundamentalism further in Africa.
Allow Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to play us for fools while clearly supporting terrorist organizations financially and otherwise.
Allow the Muslim world to extort us using the almighty "black gold".

And all of this without even mentioning North Korea, China, dictatorships such as Venezuela and Cuba, and even Russia who is not to be trusted under any scenario.

If we don't get serious about this monumental endeavor right now, our children and grandchildren will have to.

I'm sorry to say Frist has screwed the pooch. You may stick a fork in him, he is done.


34 posted on 10/02/2006 4:15:06 PM PDT by kress
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To: Roscoe Karns
Having discussed the situation with commanders on the ground, I believe that we cannot stabilize Afghanistan purely through military means. Our counter-insurgency strategy must win hearts and minds and persuade moderate Islamists potentially sympathetic to the Taliban to accept the legitimacy of the Afghan national government and democratic political processes.

How is this much different then what he said before? It may be massaged to not be as bluntly defeatist, but it's sure there inbetween the lines.

We CAN stablize through military means. The trouble is that our military is being restrained for fear of "world opinion".

No, Senator, you don't have my vote in '08. Unfortunately I've yet to stumble on anyone I know is running that deserves it either.

35 posted on 10/02/2006 4:23:44 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: Roscoe Karns

Having discussed the situation with commanders on the ground, I believe that we cannot stabilize Afghanistan purely through military means...

National reconciliation is...


Reading between the lines hes spouting demotalk.


36 posted on 10/02/2006 4:28:10 PM PDT by omega4179 (Islam 14 Centuries of Jihad and counting./'Rats want to turn clock back to 2000)
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To: Dog Gone

Maybe I'm just being dense here, but how does Frist's new statement differ significantly from the AP story? He's still saying that we must appease supporters of the Taliban. The [i]only[/i] way that such people can be appeased is by supporting the policies of the Taliban, with their fundamentalist mindsets and mistreatment of women. It's still letting the islamofascists win.

The only difference is that his clarification is more vague, and the AP story made the integration of the Taliban sound more formal - which, given their dreamworld, they may very well have thought he was saying.


37 posted on 10/02/2006 4:31:37 PM PDT by NobodyInteresting
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To: Roscoe Karns
We need the Taliban back to keep those uppity Afghan women in their place!


38 posted on 10/02/2006 4:32:57 PM PDT by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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To: pinz-n-needlez; onyx; ohioWfan; Texasforever; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; mrs tiggywinkle; Dog; ...

FYI Ping


39 posted on 10/02/2006 4:36:54 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey McCain and Graham .... our soldiers signed up to dodge bullets not lawsuits)
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To: NobodyInteresting
[i]only[/i]

Those tags you used for italics don't work here. However, they are type of tag that work over at DU. Just an observation.

40 posted on 10/02/2006 4:37:27 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: StopGlobalWhining
We need the Taliban back to keep those uppity Afghan women in their place!

Jim Webb? When did you get a freeper name?

41 posted on 10/02/2006 4:37:39 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: NobodyInteresting
how does Frist's new statement differ significantly from the AP story?

Other than being completely contradictory?

He flatly says that he would never support entry of the Taliban into the Afghan government, which was the entire thrust of the AP article.

You can believe the AP, or you can believe what he himself is saying in an article he controls, but you can't say there's no difference between the two.

42 posted on 10/02/2006 4:42:04 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: California Patriot
Dream on. The way the MSM is now, they would distort Reagan's speeches.

If they can't distort, they simply make something up and ignore what the Republican actually said.

43 posted on 10/02/2006 4:42:06 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Baloney! This is NOT an acknowledgement or assignation of defeat. Who do you think the US is? General Custer? Karzai and Musharraf have a lot to sort out between them. This, as expressed, by Frist will make "talks" better in Afghanistan and in Pakistan. The "ones" who will agree to talk, about possibly being represented in Government will be those who are generally MORE peaceful.

The Islamofascist strength and core will be whittled away at.

44 posted on 10/02/2006 4:43:01 PM PDT by Alia
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To: RacerX1128
Now I'm going to e-mail AP. Lot of good that will do but hey it'll make me feel a little better.

A total wasting of time and energy!

When I see the letters "AP" my doubting antennas ALWAYS go right straight up!!

Would be wise to use President Reagan's slogan: "VERIFY" first!!!

45 posted on 10/02/2006 4:43:42 PM PDT by danamco
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To: Dog Gone
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That's quite different from the AP story thread where I ripped him a new one.
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In the other thread I said that it is best to wait for the full transcript and not the AP's out of context report. You should know the AP better by now. Elections are coming up and the liberal media is desperate. You bit their bait and that is exactly how they get liberal fools to chant "Bush lied!"
46 posted on 10/02/2006 4:44:18 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Roscoe Karns

The proper italics HTML tags that I used at first interfered with my paragraph structure - I had thought that perhaps [i][/i] tags also worked. I hit the post button instead of the preview button by mistake when I tried it.

What are the proper tags for paragraphs, again? It's been a while since I was on a site that requires them.

And there's no call for insults, I'm simply new here.


47 posted on 10/02/2006 4:44:38 PM PDT by NobodyInteresting
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To: CWOJackson
If he and Hastart really wanted to do this nation a service they would give up their (lack of) leadership positions.

Would you instead rather plot and plan to have them impeached?

48 posted on 10/02/2006 4:46:46 PM PDT by Alia
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To: CharlesWayneCT

What an excellent post you've written. Good synopsis of the situation and current matter.


49 posted on 10/02/2006 4:47:44 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

"...I believe that we cannot stabilize Afghanistan purely through military means."

Thanks for the comments.

Did we defeat Germany by asking them to join a coaltion goverment? How about Japan?


50 posted on 10/02/2006 4:47:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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