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Genghis misunderstood
Washington Times ^ | 10-3-06 | Matthew Barakat

Posted on 10/03/2006 11:15:52 AM PDT by JZelle

He's one of the most famous names of the last millennium, and he's the father of his country, which turns 800 years old this year. That's why the D.C. region's Mongolian community would like to see a statue erected of Genghis Khan, the George Washington of Mongolia.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: genghiskhan; genocide; godsgravesglyphs; khanjob; mongolia; mongolmassmurderers; washington
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Perhaps they'd settle for a monument to Chaka


1 posted on 10/03/2006 11:15:53 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: JZelle

It's worth it for the message it sends to Islam, alone.


2 posted on 10/03/2006 11:17:24 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: JZelle

Genghis was guy that knew how to interact with Muslims.


3 posted on 10/03/2006 11:17:50 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: JZelle

"That's why the D.C. region's Mongolian community would like to see a statue erected of Genghis Khan."

This ain't Mongolia. If you pine for it so, freaking leave.

Multi-culturalism at it's finest.


4 posted on 10/03/2006 11:18:15 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: glorgau

That good idea LOL!

Don't forget he know how to welcome Baghdad into his empire LOL!


5 posted on 10/03/2006 11:18:28 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: JZelle
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Goddamn Mongorian! You break down mah shitty warl for rast time!!!

6 posted on 10/03/2006 11:18:41 AM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: thoughtomator

The statue should consist of Capt. Kirk yelling "Khan!" in a perpetual loop.


7 posted on 10/03/2006 11:18:53 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Clockwatcher Extraordinaire)
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To: lesser_satan; EveningStar; All

OMG I remember that reset on South Park LOL!

I like the scene when he said Say hello to my little friend


8 posted on 10/03/2006 11:20:32 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: JZelle

They should have kerry do the dedication just so he can say: "Jen-jiss" Khan


9 posted on 10/03/2006 11:20:34 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Liberals would let Mark Foley be a Boy Scout leader.)
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To: JZelle

"razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs ..."

10 posted on 10/03/2006 11:21:14 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: L98Fiero
Too true. What the hell does GK have to do with modern Washington DC?

If you want a statue so bad, pick a former leader of the Mong Community and put one up, or make a statue of a horse or something.
11 posted on 10/03/2006 11:22:07 AM PDT by MrNationalist
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To: JZelle
I thought that Kerry compared our troops in Vietnam to Genghis Khan, which would imply that Kahn was even worse that our troops in Dems' eyes (if that is possible).
12 posted on 10/03/2006 11:22:17 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Dems - Your conduct is an invitation to the enemy, yet few of you have heart enough to join them.)
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To: L98Fiero
Ghengis Khan is the individual most responsible for bringing the Dark Ages to a close and for re-establishing world trade.

His value to humanity is enormous.

13 posted on 10/03/2006 11:23:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: thoughtomator
It's worth it for the message it sends to Islam, alone.

I agree! I was just reading about GK the other night. Seems the Mongols did way more damage to the Muslims than the Crusaders did. So I'm looking forward to the next time some moonbat brings up the Horrible Crusades so I can give him a little history lesson (which will be wasted, I know).

I hope they get their statue!

14 posted on 10/03/2006 11:24:42 AM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: L98Fiero

There's a statue of him above his grave. They can make a pilgrimage to it if they'd like!


15 posted on 10/03/2006 11:26:12 AM PDT by Disturbin (Get back to work -- millions of people on welfare are counting on you!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
""razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs ..." "

all this with a whole 3 months in vietnam- most of that spent filming himself

16 posted on 10/03/2006 11:28:05 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: JZelle
I always thought Genghis Khan was the reason why Finlanders don't look like Swedes.
17 posted on 10/03/2006 11:28:33 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: L98Fiero

That's the wrong attitude. I been to Mongolia and found the country to be more pro-US than any other place in the world. Just think of an american presence in a country sandwiched between Russia and China.


18 posted on 10/03/2006 11:29:57 AM PDT by RexFamilia
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To: L98Fiero

>"That's why the D.C. region's Mongolian community would like to see a statue erected of Genghis Khan."

> This ain't Mongolia. If you pine for it so, freaking leave.

Question: if you saw someone suggest erecting a statue of, say, Jesus Christ, would you demand that they hightail it back to Judea?


19 posted on 10/03/2006 11:32:49 AM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

How about if we raise funds to put a statue of Genghis Khan on the Boston Common, just a couple of blocks from the John "Vichy" Kerry luxury townhouse??

We can have a plaque calling it the "John Vichy Kerry Memorial Tribute to the Great Genghis Khan".....

OK, I know that might be a tough item to get past the Boston City Council..... maybe we can buy a tiny patch of land somewhere in the North End of Boston for the private sponsorship of this statue.....


20 posted on 10/03/2006 11:33:34 AM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: Disturbin

There is no stature above the Khan's grave because no one know where his grave is. He was buried in the Gobi in traditional Mongol fashion.

The Mongols have a legend that, if the grave is found and the Khan's sword is drawn, he will return and reclaim his empire.

Let's have NASA and USAF start combing Mongolia by the inch and find that grave.

Good Morning, al Qaeda!
We're leaving!
Guess who has returned.


21 posted on 10/03/2006 11:34:05 AM PDT by SOLTC
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To: RexFamilia

"I been to Mongolia and found the country to be more pro-US than any other place in the world."

I don't care. I don't think it's appropriate. Multi-culturalism destroys nations.


22 posted on 10/03/2006 11:36:15 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: meowmeow
more damage to the Muslims than the Crusaders did.

That is my understanding too. A lot of our tactics at West Point still use Khan's examples. I say put it up.


23 posted on 10/03/2006 11:39:57 AM PDT by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: orionblamblam

Answer: Apples and Oranges.

If Buddhists want to erect a statue of Buddha, fine. If Catholics want to erect a statute of Pope Pious VII, fine. Khan was not Jesus Christ and personally it ticks me off a bit that you made that comparisn.


24 posted on 10/03/2006 11:40:20 AM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: SevenofNine

Oh, rook! Mah very own Mongorian-trojan horse!! Maybe Mongorian aren't such crappy smerrly peoprle after awrl!!!


25 posted on 10/03/2006 11:42:45 AM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: L98Fiero

Amen!


26 posted on 10/03/2006 11:45:09 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: meowmeow
"Seems the Mongols did way more damage to the Muslims than the Crusaders did."

Maybe true, but his descendants converted to Islam. That is how it spread to Central Asia, the Indian subcontinent, and Xingiang province of China.
27 posted on 10/03/2006 11:45:38 AM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: muawiyah

I often tell people that my middle initial "T" stands for Temujin.


28 posted on 10/03/2006 11:46:51 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Clockwatcher Extraordinaire)
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To: lesser_satan
Mongorians
29 posted on 10/03/2006 11:51:56 AM PDT by Michael Barnes (May Satan grip the souls of those with American blood on their hands)
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To: JZelle

Getting it built may be difficult, though. Statues require approval from either the National Park Service, if on federal land, or the District, if on city land.
The particular spot eyed by the Mongolians, near their embassy, is on city land.


I assume they are willing to pay for it? I've been to Mongolia and they are great people. They like the USA and probably would approve a statue of George Washington back home. There were still statues of Stalin when I was there. I guess the city has the final call on this decision.


30 posted on 10/03/2006 11:52:30 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the Truth in Folks.)
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To: SOLTC

The twelveth imam meet Genghis Khan!
Sounds like a great "B" japanese film!


31 posted on 10/03/2006 11:52:47 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: razoroccam
Some of Ghengis Khan's descendants became Moslems. Some became Christians. Some became Buddhists. Some became Hindus. Some became animists of various kinds.

A full 10% of all the men in the world with Type B blood have Ghenghis Khan's y-chromosome!

This guy was not only the "father of his country", he became very nearly the "father of his world".

32 posted on 10/03/2006 11:53:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JZelle
Yes, I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood

33 posted on 10/03/2006 11:59:00 AM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: JZelle

Wasn't old GK a war-monger and a war criminal engaged in committing genocide? Yes, yes he was.

Where do the Dems stand on this idea?


34 posted on 10/03/2006 12:02:25 PM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win, but America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats.)
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To: chesley

No, Ghenghis Khan started out fighting purely defensive battles and was only forced into seizing entire continents due to the perfidy and treachery of his enemies.


35 posted on 10/03/2006 12:11:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: thoughtomator

That statue should include Chingghis, and his grandsons, Mongke and, especially, Mongke's brother Hulegu.


36 posted on 10/03/2006 12:17:15 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: L98Fiero

> If Buddhists want to erect a statue of Buddha, fine. If Catholics want to erect a statute of Pope Pious VII, fine.

And so if Mongolians living in the US want to build a statue of Ghengis Khan, what's your problem?

> Khan was not Jesus Christ ...

True enough. Khan was real.


37 posted on 10/03/2006 12:21:51 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: orionblamblam

Christ is a religious figure; Khan is a national one, specifically Mongolia, not the US.


38 posted on 10/03/2006 12:22:38 PM PDT by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: MrNationalist
The Empire he and his descendants built gave Europeans [for the first time] almost unimpeded access to the goods of China and the East, since the Mongols controlled the entire Silk road.

European desire for those goods led to the Age of Discovery when alternate routes to those markets became necessary after the Mongol Ulus fell into fratricidal [and in some cases, religious] wars, and the Silk Road became unsafe. So you might say Chingghis had an indirect impact on the discovery of America.
39 posted on 10/03/2006 12:22:51 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: meowmeow
The Mongols repeatedly tried to ally with the Crusaders against the Muslims. The Muslims played the "We're all People of the Book, and they're pagans" card. Crusader states gave Baibars and his Mamelukes free passage and supplies during his early campaigns against the Mongols. When the threat from them diminished, Baibars turned on the Crusaders.
40 posted on 10/03/2006 12:25:41 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: JZelle

KHAAAAAAAN!
41 posted on 10/03/2006 12:25:52 PM PDT by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: Disturbin

No one knows where Chinnghis Quan is buried [ditto Ugedai, Guyk, Mongke and Qublai. They've never found his grave.


42 posted on 10/03/2006 12:26:57 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: JZelle

Next: Hitler, Misunderstood, poor fella



(sarcasm in case you didn't get it)


43 posted on 10/03/2006 12:28:24 PM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Much earlier. The Finns are linguistically related to the Magyars, who invaded Hungary around the 9th century A.D. Sabotai, Batu and the boys didn't show up until 1241 [in the greatest military campaign in history, IMHO]


44 posted on 10/03/2006 12:28:55 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: glorgau
The Prez likes 'em


45 posted on 10/03/2006 12:32:20 PM PDT by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: razoroccam
Some did, specifically the Golden Horde in Russia [under Berke Quan, Batu's brother and successor] and, eventually, the Il-Quanate of Persia [Hulegu's uluis]. But, the sinicized Mongols of China [Qublai], became largely Buddhist, as did the Mongols from the homeland [Tibetan missionaries]. The Chagatids stayed largely pagan, as did many of the Mongols of Central Asia. And there was always a strong minority of Nestorian Christians.
46 posted on 10/03/2006 12:33:55 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: orionblamblam
True enough. Khan was real.

So what are you saying here? That Jesus Christ wasn't real? Are you saying that He never existed? If this is indeed what you are trying to say then please explain your reasoning.

47 posted on 10/03/2006 12:34:25 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: muawiyah

Tell that to Hsia Hsia and Kara Khitai.


48 posted on 10/03/2006 12:35:16 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: verum ago

> Christ is a religious figure; Khan is a national one, specifically Mongolia, not the US.

So? I've seen lots of statues for pre-US "national figures" around the US. Lots of Greeks, Romans, Englandlanders, Columbii, even a few Leif Eriksons.


49 posted on 10/03/2006 12:35:53 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: agere_contra

> Are you saying that He never existed?

Khans existence is pretty definitive. Jesus is described at best by hearsay, and much of it vastly unreliable and fantastical.


50 posted on 10/03/2006 12:39:32 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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