Skip to comments.Sex, Politics, and Hypocrisy
Posted on 10/03/2006 1:28:59 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
Rep. Mark Foley, a Florida Republican, has resigned abruptly from the House on the revelation by ABC News of sexual instant messages to underage male pages. The Democrats in Congress and in the media are trying to hang this albatross around the necks of Republican leaders, and Republicans generally.
There is incompetent reporting, either accidental or deliberate, on this story. Foley sent e-mails to some pages that were not overtly sexual. Almost the entire press has failed to report the differences between e-mails and instant messages. Since most reporters use both methods of communications or can easily get information about them, theres no excuse for this fault.
E-mails are automatically recorded in the process of being sent. They do NOT go directly from the sender to the receiver. They are saved on servers on computers other than those of the sender and receiver. A competent computer guru can find, recover, and report on contents of e-mails.
Instant messages (IMs) are quite different. They can only be sent when the sender and recipient are on-line simultaneously. They go directly from sender to receiver. They are NOT recorded anywhere, unless either the sender and/or receiver sets up his cache, or temporary local memory, to do that.
The nasty IMs that have come to light now, and sealed Foleys fate, were sent more than year ago. Someone, most likely the pages who received them, must have recorded these, and through the blogosphere, made them available to the press. There is no factual support for the insinuation that Speaker Dennis Hastert, or anyone else in Congress except Foley, knew anything about these IMs before ABC broke this story.
I stop at this point to make clear my opinion of all adults male or female who pray on children male or female. Such alleged grownups are monsters who do not belong in Congress, do not belong in public, and do belong in the seventh circle of Hell. That said, the rest of this is about the consequences of the Foley resignation.
Democrats are attempting to portray this as a moral failure of the Republican Party and therefore a reason for all voters to vote for them. The Democrat who was running against Foley and is now running against state Rep. Joe Negron (the new Republican nominee), is already running TV ads on that. Lets examine the record to see whether that claim has any legitimacy.
Gerry Studds (remember him? he was in all the papers) was a Democrat Congressman from Massachusetts. He was not accused of inappropriate communications. He was found to have had sexual relations with a page. By an overwhelming vote, he was censured by the House in 1983. After that, he was reelected repeatedly, with the full support of the Democrat Party.
Barney Frank (he was in all the papers) was a Democrat Congressman from Massachusetts. In 1989 he was found to have kept a male prostitute in his Capitol Hill apartment and to have done legislative favors for him. Frank was strongly censured by the House. He has been repeatedly reelected and is still in the House, with the full support of the Democrat Party.
Wait a minute, you say, Frank had nothing to do with underage boys. Well, in my years in District Court in Baltimore City, I saw more than a few prostitutes and pimps. Since their activities are already illegal, they dont seek proof of the age of the prostitutes. They provide what the customer wants, male or female, of whatever age.
Then theres Ted Kennedy, Senator from Massachusetts. Admittedly, his known sexual peccadillo was with an adult female. In 1969 he left Mary Jo Kopechne alive in his sunken car. She drowned while he left the scene to set up his alibi. Kennedy has been repeatedly reelected with the full support of the Democrat Party.
Last but not least, there is William Jefferson Clinton. Surely youve heard of him? He had sex in his office with a female subordinate. The manager of your local McDonalds would be fired on the spot if he had sex with a female fry cook at work. Clinton still enjoys the full support of the Democrat Party.
I repeat, I make no brief for Rep. Foleys conduct. I am delighted that he is out of Congress immediately. However, the Democrat response is not to dump the Member. Instead, it is to wait while the Member hunkers down, and then to support him for reelection. Democrats do worse than what Foley did. They do not resign, nor does their Party ask them to resign.
For the Democrats to seek to make Foley a partisan issue in the 2006 election is the height of hypocrisy. Men who cannot control their own zippers are unfit to be in leadership positions in the federal government. All of them. Republican, Democrat, or independent. No exceptions.
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About the Author: John Armor is a lawyer specializing in constitutional law, who may again be a candidate for Congress in the 11th District of North Carolina. John_Armor@aya.yale.edu
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John / Billybob
I am pleased that Rep. Mark Foley is resigning. His actions were inappropriate and his resignation is his confession.
Couldn't agree with you more. Let's just hope the Republocrats fire off some of the same points.
IMHO, the MSM and their DNC cohorts are going to be shown obstructing justice in this before it is over...and to have been doing it for pure political gain...again corrupting our political process.
The question should be did the GOP leadership do the right thing when they sat on the emails several months ago.
I would argue that the behavior of Studds, Frank, Kennedy and Clinton is irrelevant to my question. So is the provenence of the IMs.
We must conclude that Speaker Hastert failed miserably. Failed each and every page and failed the Republican Party.
I gotta disagree with you on that one. Without a crime or formal investigation in place there's probably no such thing as "obstruction of justice."
If there was no evidence that a crime had been committed, and the page in question -- as well as his parents -- refused to pursue any legal action against Foley, then what would you expect the GOP leadership to do any differently?
The dims must be "so very proud" that they had nothing on Foley, so they set him up with the IM stunt. Granted, he is a sick man and I'm glad he resigned, however--he was set up and the dims are trying to take Hastert down, too.
I predict the whole thing will backfire. I understand more today than yesterday about what actually happened. Don't let the dims "win" over this stupid political stunt. They have nothing, they promise nothing, they are clueless. The dims don't dserve to be in a position to govern ever again. I am thoroughly ashamed of them as a party, that they'd stoop this low to regain power in Congress. This has Huey Long-clintooon-Arkancide type politics written all over it.
It's not like they actually "have anything" to offer. They have zip, nada, zilch. The hate-Bush, hate-America and Americans smear party is going to wind up DEAD IN THE WATER on election day. Vote them out!
So help me, God.
Self Ping and BTTT
Umm. Ask questions. Investigators do it all the time. A real investigation may have uncovered the IMs months ago. We'll never know because the Republican leadership bungled the matter when it did nothing.
The emails were "innocuous"? Boy, you've been swilling the Kool-Aid. They were disturbing and creepy.
Turn the tables and accuse Democrats of being homophobic.
True. But did they leave a stain anywhere ?
The Speaker of the House is not an omnipotent, god-like figure. He has no authority to conduct personal investigations of other House members like that.
"all adults male or female who pray on children"
That's why praying in school is so wrong...
Sure. Digital ones.
I know that, because of all this being brought to light, Barney Frank will be compelled to resign from Congress in the next few days....../sarcasm
Barney Frank preys on kids?
My point to you..if the story were reversed..i.e. if all the characters were Dems instead of pubbies..would you be writing a column explaining the difference between Emails and IMs...I think not... FWIW, Hastert long ago planned to step down after the next Congress, assuming the GOP holds the House...and retire with Bush in 2008...I don't think he runs for Speaker again. Happily, maybe now we can get Pence in that slot...the social conservatives in the base will need something to assuage them for coming out this November..
So digital stains force a resignation, but physical stains on a blue dress do not ? Perhaps we should call this a 'virtual' government ?
Waste of time to belabor the double standard, we knew the bed was on fire when we lay down.
Sure and Foley is virtually a pedophile.
It only has to smolder for a month or so...
The DIMS seem to have forgotten their pride and joy from MASS. OLD STUDD who was doing the butt buddy thing for real with under age pages. In fact his last one and he filed for a marriage licence in MASS.
What is your point?
by selecting the issues of brawl -- it duplicates the assertion of Jimwright dem leader of the house under Reagan that declared as long as dems got to pick the topics and make the rules for the discussion of them they would always win.
In debate it is always an issue of control and the person or team that gets the other person or team to respond,and argue for or against what the issues they have posed "According to the bias" they have cast it in has seized control.
To accept the bias is a statement of two things the impression rather than beleifs they wish to put out about them , their team or in this case their political party, but secondly and more importantly there is a second element of that which the shadow they wish to cast about you, your teach or in this case your political party. In the case of this corrupt and disgusting individual -- we have one party that speaks of themselves that they are understanding of peoples weaknesses and corruptions (This is always done with Christian undertones) and they are the house of all deviants. On the other hand they paint the republicans as the pharisees,as religious zealots filled with calvanistic judgmentalism -- that at the sight of sin we are to kill and cast out from our midst. -- And the republicans continually follow their lead and eat their own to live a definition that has been and is here being played just like the race card. I have observed this now for decades -- I am not addressing this individual that is indefencble -- what I am say is that when flaws and faults are found -- why don't republicans attempt reform, heal and deliver their own to make these better republicans, better able to serve their electorate and theri nation? Ultimately this is the reason that they have has such poor effect since they came to power -- ther seems there is no central core beleif of force driving them --aka they have no heart of soul but instead they are reacting and caving to the demands and the image of them that is defined by their enemies. This is the real problem here.
Nevermind that Foley has resigned, has been repudiated by his own party and conservatives, and that Hastert never knew about the IMs up until now.
Nope, the whole Republican Party is corrupt and should be purged in accordance to your holier-than-thou standards.
Oh...and I still want to see the liberals defend the Limon victims instead of just worrying about Limon himself getting a lesser sentence under the "Romeo and Juliet" laws (gag!).
That said, Foley should be locked up. If he were a Democrat, the left would only be concerned as to whether or not the two were planning to use a condom....or if they knew about fisting...etc. Regardless, now that we have them on record appropriately appalled at something morally reprehensible, let's see that they have to appy it to some of these other areas.
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Teddy, Gary, Bill, Barney. Need I say more?
"I was discussing this situation with my son late last night under so questions he was asking about a manipulative englsi teacher in a pre collage compclass that has abandoned writing and turned the class into an debating issues --reviewing his notes on the topics selected by the teacher and listening to the open brawl over she has cultivated -- she has been making her students the willing and unwilling to consider and think about Liberal hot button issues.
by selecting the issues of brawl -- it duplicates the assertion of Jimwright dem leader of the house under Reagan that declared as long as dems got to pick the topics and make the rules for the discussion of them they would always win."
You must have had the same englsi teacher I did.
Are techy's able to trace IM's at all? Or will one have to guess what Page received and sent the IM's......or can one trace the receiver of IMs from Foley's computer. I would hope the FBI has already secured his computers.
By any chance are you a Democrat? If not, somehow your not understanding the known facts .