Posted on 10/03/2006 8:44:52 PM PDT by peggybac
Well known liberal Rosie O’Donnell used the shooting at an Amish school in Pennsylvania as a springboard to promote gun control. O’Donnell, who famously sparred with Tom Selleck, stated on Tuesday's edition of ABC's "The View" that the event should spur tighter restrictions:
O’Donnell: "I think the horror of imagining six to thirteen-year-old girls handcuffed together and shot execution style, one by one, is perhaps enough to awaken the nation that maybe we need some stricter gun control laws."
This quickly led to an exchange with the program’s token conservative, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, in which O’Donnell asserted that there is no right to own a gun:
Hasselbeck: "So you can’t- You can't take way the right to, to bear arms."
O’Donnell: "Well, it’s not really a right. There’s debate as to what that-"
Hasselbeck: "It is a right. It’s in our Constitution. It’s the Second Amendment."
O’Donnell: "Well, let’s talk instead of yell."
Hasselbeck: "I’m not yelling."
O’Donnell quickly expanded the discussion into an attack on the NRA:
O’Donnell: "I know that the Constitution has been interpreted many, many times. In our country the president puts his hand on the Bible and swears to uphold the Constitution. In the United States there is debate over whether or not the right to bear arms includes the lobby organization of the NRA, allowing no rules and no registration and absolutely, sort of, carte blanche, to make guns available to Americans in a way they're not in the rest of the world."
Hasselbeck initially attempted to placate the comedian on the October 3 show, but quickly abandoned it in favor of a vigorous defense of the Second Amendment:
Hasselbeck: "There should be- There should be a middle ground. There should be a middle ground."
Walters: "Well, there are some gun control. I mean, without guns-"
O’Donnell: "Well, what about this? The firearm death rate among children in America 0 to 14 is 12 times higher then all 25 other industrialized nation combined. Combined."
Hasselbeck: "What about the fact that firearms- Well, firearms are used 60 times more to defend people then they are to take a life in this country, too. That’s another statistic. This is why we have the debate."
O’Donnell attempted to interrupt, but Hasselbeck quickly cut her off and delivered a second argument for the right to bear arms:
O’Donnell: "I know, but maybe-"
Hasselbeck: "These things confuse us as, as Americans, but, in, in the results of children dying kind of bring it to a front, they bring it right to a boil. And that's why we have this discussion. That should not happen. But you have to remember that people protect themselves. In the times of segregation, when there were bigoted officers out there trying to just rule over and have government tyranny, people had to defend themselves somehow and they did it with guns."
The liberal members of "The View" responded to Hasselbeck’s firm arguments by resorting to typical liberal cliches:
O’Donnell: "You can find an automobile that has a VIN number, if an automobile is stolen and you can trace it back to where the person bought the car and who bought it."
Behar: "Don’t tell them how to get it."
Hasselbeck: "You can. You can. I found out that I had a lemon that way."
O’Donnell: "You can buy a gun in America and it is not licensed. We can't trace who bought it, who owned it or who is responsible. That’s wrong."
This is a tired argument by the gun control crowd. If you have to get a licence to drive, why not to own a gun? The simple answer is that driving a car is a privilege, not a right. Whether O’Donnell likes it or not, the right to own a gun is in the Second Amendment of the Constitution.
A few minutes later, the discussion turned to what would have happened if the shooter didn’t have a gun. Once again, it was left to Hasselbeck to make the obvious point:
O’Donnell: "If the man had a knife and he walked in there and there were adult women there and the man said I would like the women to leave because I'm going to keep the girls, I guarantee you, if that man did not have a gun, the mothers who were the teachers in that school would never have left those children alone in that room. Never."
[Applause]
Hasselbeck: "What if they had a gun? What if- Hang on, let's just flip it. I’m saying, let’s discuss all sides. What if, What if those women had guns on them and were able to defend themselves?"
O’Donnell: So you’re saying, you think we should arm teachers?"
Hasselbeck: "I'm not saying teachers should be armed. I'm just giving you the flip side of this situation-"
O’Donnell: "But the flip side is you’re saying-"
Hasselbeck: "-that is a lot of times guns are used to protect people, so we can’t be so extreme."
Co-host Joy Behar, a short time later, brought up the second liberal cliche about guns:
Behar: "I think people want to hunt, that's a right as you’re describing with their rifles. Why do they need an AK--47? Are these deer in the Israeli army?"
[Applause]
Behar: "What is the purpose of a machine gun to hunt with? Now that should be outlawed. Do you agree?"
Walters: Most people do not hunt with-"
Hasselbeck: "I would agree with that. And if you're a good hunter, you don't need that type of weapon."
Walters: "They don't hunt with machine guns."
Yes, surprisingly, Barbara Walters provided the voice of reason. Hunters don’t use machine guns to kill deer. But why would anyone expect Joy Behar to know that? All she knows about hunters are the grotesque stereotypes that people like Rosie O’Donnell propagate. O’Donnell demonstrated clear ignorance about firearms with her next point:
O’Donnell: "But Barbara Walters. In America, it’s shocking that one is able to purchase an AK-47."
Walters: I’m agreeing with you."
Behar: "Why do they have them?"
O’Donnell: "Right. Because it is a $6 billion industry. And they have way to much power in a democracy, if you ask me."
In fact, it is very difficult to purchase an AK-47. But, again, why expect Rosie O’Donnell to be knowledgeable about a subject? It’s so much more fun to be emotional.
Hasselbeck’s reply, and Rosie's closing comment, hinted that viewers have not seen the last of such fierce debates on the ABC program:
Hasselbeck: "Well, the problem is statistics too. Because if you have restrictions, um, on guns, are not showing the results we’d like. You know what I mean?"
O’Donnell: "Well, you’re wrong, Elisabeth. And I’ll give you all the information at the commercial. We’re going to take a break and come back after this with more hot topics to annoy, I’m sure, a lot of people at home."
People watch this stuff?
There is no amendment that gives a person a right to be fat and stupid, but she takes that to extremes anyway!
Stinking Hypocrite O'Donnell has armed security guards with her wherever she goes.
Rosie is a big mouthed beached whale (I apologize to all the decent whales that live in the ocean). I predict eventually she will get the boot from ABC, people can only stand so much of her and her liberal views.
Rosie is, however, a strong supporter of the Right to Bear Claws and Jelly Donuts..
When I want Constitutional interpretation, the first person I turn to, naturally, is Rosie O'Donnell.
Does that mean that the government can then pull her off her podium and lock her up? After all, if the 2nd isn't really a right, I guess that the first isn't then, either. Right?
What an ignorant flake.
What was the topic again?
That's okay Rosie --- you're not really a woman, are you?
Semper Fi
Who cares what O'Donnell "thinks?" What has she ever done that is important?
These people who think they are great thinkers because they are on TV just drive me crazy! It is NOT my fault they "made it."
Man, if she has a rough time debating Rosie, then she must be bad. My desk could win a debate with Rosie. It wouldn't say much, but it wouldn't be spitting out weird things like conservative Christians are as dangerous as extremist Muslims and a dog's tongue cures diaper rash. On the whole, I think my desk would look very reasonable by comparison.
LOL!
"Rosie O'Donnell is a coupla M&M's shy of 'Ho-lee Sh*t!!'"
-Larry the Cable Guy
Thats why I take my son to the rifle range and teach my protestant american male son to admire the girls that are there! Including his mother! /smile:)
I could barely stand to READ this moranic drivel, much less subject myself to watching it on TV - and it is not even because it was on the topic of gun control; it is the obnoxious bombastic biased blather of stooopid fat slobs who have decided that their millions makes them worth listening to.
I would rather be poor and silent.
Well, maybe not - I enjoy being middle income and really obnoxious on FR./...
Since when did she become a constitutional scholar.
Unfortunatley as long as a-holes like the Penn. whack-job murder people in cold blood with firearms they're going to give a-holes like Rosie O'Donnell ammunition (pardon the pun) to push for overturning our 2'nd Ammendment rights !!!
Rosie, if we want any s**t out of you, we'll squeeze your head.
yawn...........
Rosie is not very bright.
ping
Yeah! why didn't anyone bring this to her?!!
Rosie is just so very dumb. She is not very smart.
Well, Rosie...I thought you were stupid, but looks like I underestimated you.
You're a total friggin' retard!
If stupidity was a crime Rosy would be on death row.
Rosie is not very bright.<<
Nor very honest. IIRC she petitioned to have her adopted kids body guard armed at his school.
Guns for her family, but not for other people.
DK
The essence of being a liberal:
“The absolute conviction that there is one set of rules for you, and another, completely different set of rules for everyone else.”
~ Ann Coulter
"I predict eventually she will get the boot from ABC, people can only stand so much of her and her liberal views."
I'm sure Barbara Walters regrets her decision to hire Rosie. She watches her like a fox.
Neither is freedom of speech, so STFU!
So fat old Rosie can somehow find the friggin right to abortion in the Constitution (where there isn't one) and somehow demand the right to marry anything she wants, but a clearly spelled out right to self defense by "arms" - that's not a right.
She's a bloated walking liberal cliche.
And just to be clear, the Constitution does not GRANT us the right to bear arms, it RESTRICTS the GOVERNMENT from taking away the rights WE HAVE AS HUMAN BEINGS CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, male and female. The right to self-defense cannot be taken away by the government. It is a right that is unalienable and predates our govenrment, and all others before or to come.
'Nuff.
Our government can track a cow with mad cow disease back 10 years and find all of its claves but can't track a single illegal immigrant either, go figure.
We've several SASTERS who could refute her in a heart beat.
Grrr. I hate that map. I live in Wisconsin. We'll turn it blue next year after we get rid of Doyle.
O'Donnell is still around?
Didn't realize Ms Hasselback was so adorable. Then again I wouldn't, because I could never stand to watch more than 5 seconds of Rosie's BS.
You are correct. But you must add one thing:
These people really think that their IQ goes up 50 points just because they are on the boob tube or the big screen. They REALLY think that they are smarter than the peeples just becuase they are on TV and a very small portion of the peeples admire them.
Reality to Rosie: Being able to read a script does NOT raise your intelligence.
Yeah, "The View" isn't exactly at the top of my viewing list either.
But as far as Hasselbeck vs. Rosie, you can chalk that one up on that graphic that appears on FR a lot showing liberal women vs. conservative women; on the liberal side you have Hillary, Helen Thomas, Theresa Heinz, Madeleine Albright, etc...on the conservative side, you have Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, etc.
An FR classic.
Bump for tomorrow.
I think I'll go with the Constitution over a fat lesbian "comedian".
Worse...I read the thread. My eyes are bleeding.
Rosie...for the love of everything decent...SHUT YOU PIE HOLE!
prisoner6
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