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Spain Rethinks Burning Effigies Of Muhammad
The Daily Telegraph... NY Sun ^ | October 3, 2006 | FIONA GOVAN

Posted on 10/04/2006 7:14:47 AM PDT by george76

Spanish villages are abandoning the centuries-old tradition of burning effigies of the Prophet Muhammad for fear of offending Muslims.

The annual festivals...feature locals donning medieval costumes to re-enact battles between "Moors and Christians" during the Reconquista period.

The fiestas celebrate events in 1492, when the Catholic kings of northern Spain defeated and expelled Islamic forces, ending more than 800 years of Moorish rule in the Iberian Peninsula.

Traditionally the festivities have culminated with the burning of mannequins of the Mahoma, a figure based on the Prophet Muhammad, to represent the final defeat of Islam in the region.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; balearicislands; burning; burningeffigies; catalonia; catholic; catholickings; corruption; effigies; europe; islam; islamic; madrid; moops; muhammad; muslim; muslims; prophet; prophetmuhammad; reconquista; religionofpeace; rop; sensibilities; spain; terrorism; trop; valencia; wot
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1 posted on 10/04/2006 7:14:48 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Spain, of all places. They have completely forgotten their own history, and how many of their ancestors died to throw off Islam. El Cid, Ferdinand and Isabella all spinning in thier graves.


2 posted on 10/04/2006 7:17:45 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: george76

Now that is some serious irony.


3 posted on 10/04/2006 7:22:06 AM PDT by Bigoleelephant
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To: george76

spain, like many of us, will have pleny of opportunities to offend islamic fascists by just being...


4 posted on 10/04/2006 7:23:53 AM PDT by callthemlikeyouseethem (Miss England: "Even moderate Muslims are turning to terrorism to prove themselves.")
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To: 3AngelaD

the Reconquista has begun.


The muzzies want all of Europe...then the world ( us too ).


5 posted on 10/04/2006 7:24:30 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Looks like Spain is turning into a FRENCH COLONY, wave the WHITE FLAG.


6 posted on 10/04/2006 7:29:08 AM PDT by snowman1
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To: george76

I say burn baby, burn...


7 posted on 10/04/2006 7:29:42 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: george76

Hey Spain! Forget the planned attacks. Forget the actual attacks you suffered. Stopping these celebrations will really make them like you and respect you (until they come up with their next grievance in about, oh, 15 minutes).


8 posted on 10/04/2006 7:33:31 AM PDT by Riverine
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To: george76

"the Reconquista has begun. "

People just don't get it. Unless something changes radically in the next 5 years, Western Europe will be lost to islam. France is almost there. In about 5 to 7 years, France will begin installing sharia law. Spain is next, along with the Netherlands. Germany and Britain will last longer, as much as 20 years perhaps. In that timeframe, Norway and Sweden will be compromised.

I would bet money on it.


9 posted on 10/04/2006 7:34:47 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: george76

I guess they figure their heritage is not worth outraging the muzzies over.


10 posted on 10/04/2006 7:35:18 AM PDT by Ilky Hucktar
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To: brownsfan

It is amazing that so many Europeans do not realize that they are a frog sitting in a pot ready to boil...with the heat being turned higher and higher.

One day soon, the frog will be cooked.


11 posted on 10/04/2006 7:39:57 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

"One day soon, the frog will be cooked."

That sad thing for them is this isn't like WWII. No one will come bail their butts out. No one can. How can you save a country from itself? If France becomes overrun with muslim "citizens" and becomes Frankistan, what can is there to do?
Nothing. Sorry about their luck.


12 posted on 10/04/2006 7:42:23 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Ilky Hucktar

Winston Churchill had a quote that roughly said that the appeasers are feeding the croc in the hope of being eaten last.


13 posted on 10/04/2006 7:44:11 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Now... more than ever...burn baby burn!


14 posted on 10/04/2006 7:48:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: george76
Hasn't Bin Laden stated one of his major goals for Al Qaeda is the return of Andalusia (Southern Spain) to Muslim hands? Can't you just see him smiling in his cave/dung hut over this?

Do the Spaniards realize that they are on the list because they exist on so-called Muslim lands? It has nothing to do with burning effigies of any kind. The fact that they're there is the affront. If they go wobbly now, they will be re-subjugated.
15 posted on 10/04/2006 7:48:19 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
"If they go wobbly now, they will be re-subjugated."

IF? IF?

They have been wobbly for some time. They will flip to a muslim state in our lifetime.
16 posted on 10/04/2006 7:52:50 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

" goals for Al Qaeda is the return of Andalusia (Southern Spain) to Muslim hands? Can't you just see him smiling in his cave/dung hut over this? "

Yes.



Do the Spaniards realize that they are on the list because they exist on so-called Muslim lands?

The Spanish also are in denial.


17 posted on 10/04/2006 7:55:02 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: 3AngelaD

Damn these people who are afraid of offending jihadists and not afraid of offending Christians and Jews!
They should know that the jihadists won't have mercy on them when they take over their countries from which Christianity and Judaism have been forced out!


18 posted on 10/04/2006 7:57:03 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Jihadists: The new nazis, aided and abetted by the left and their enablers in the media.)
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To: BenLurkin

" authorities have toned down the rituals to preserve Islamic sensibilities and ..."


Fools.


19 posted on 10/04/2006 7:58:09 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Where is El Cid when he is needed?


20 posted on 10/04/2006 8:14:50 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: george76
Spanish villages are abandoning the centuries-old tradition of burning effigies of the Prophet Muhammad for fear of offending Muslims

What has happened to their instinct for survival? They are doomed.

21 posted on 10/04/2006 8:15:24 AM PDT by mjp
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To: george76

"Spanish villages are abandoning the centuries-old tradition of burning effigies of the Prophet Muhammad for fear of offending Muslims."

Muslims aren't worried about offending Spanish villages. They will blow up trains and burn churches and not one of them will ever worry that it might offend Spanish villages.

This is why Spanish villages will die and Muslims won't. Muslims have balls and Spanish villages don't.


22 posted on 10/04/2006 8:25:55 AM PDT by monday
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To: brownsfan

What's most incredible is this is NOT happening by accident. It is part of a carefully choreographed and planned effort by the European communists, marxists, neo-nazis, the decendants of the french vichy collaborators and others. The effort to really implant islam in Europe originated in the 1970s. Read Eurabia by Bat Ye'or for all the gory details about the Euro-Arab Dialogue. I promise it will make your stomach turn and your head sink.


23 posted on 10/04/2006 8:29:42 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: george76

24 posted on 10/04/2006 8:32:05 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: george76

And it's not a fear of offense, it's a fear of violence. We just ask that they be honest.


25 posted on 10/04/2006 8:32:58 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"Read Eurabia by Bat Ye'or for all the gory details..."

URL to 2005 frontpage interview with Bat Ye'or...for the edification of others...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15044

26 posted on 10/04/2006 8:41:02 AM PDT by woollyone (evolution- the ONLY convenient place where the 1st & 2nd laws of thermodynamics don't EVER apply)
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To: george76
When you no longer believe in anything, it makes it harder to oppose those with strong beliefs. Real Christians in old Catholic Spain would have no trouble burning effigies of a phony prophet who spread much misery through the world. Even non-believers who believe in Spain and free market capitalism would not mind celebrating one of Spain's historical victories over the forces of evil. But the post-religious bohemians don't believe in anything except muddling through life, and so when faced with an implacable foe, they fold easily.

I'd like to see a "Red Dawn" movie that shows what an Islamic takeover of a western nation would look like. Maybe it would wake a few people up.

27 posted on 10/04/2006 8:43:42 AM PDT by Defiant (There is no god but AOL, and Muhammad uses Messenger.)
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To: woollyone
Thanks for the excellent link. She has a number of interviews on FrontPage.

Her books are somewhat tedious as they are filled with incredible detail to support her theses. But it is this detail makes them irrefutable. If you are easily bored by detail, you may not like her books. But if you try reading them, I promise she will scare the bejeebers out of you.

28 posted on 10/04/2006 8:49:42 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: george76
Wow. Spain should just cede all their land back to the Moors and commit suicide now, rather than committing a slow 20 year cultural suicide.

Europe is pathetic.
29 posted on 10/04/2006 8:51:22 AM PDT by Antoninus (Rule 4: See Rules 1 and 3. Rule 5: NO FOLEYS!)
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To: george76
One day soon, the frog will be cooked.

No, the cowardly frog will grow a beard, don a turban, and start screaming "Allahu Akbar!" Mark my words. Rather than fight, the majority of Europe will simply convert to the dark side.

If you haven't seen the Christian holy places in Europe by now, go soon....
30 posted on 10/04/2006 8:53:10 AM PDT by Antoninus (Rule 4: See Rules 1 and 3. Rule 5: NO FOLEYS!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Dealing along a similar topic and also a thoroughly detailed read, with 140 pages of bibliography, is FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, by Joan Peters. She deals extensively with the allegations that Israel was "always" a mooselimb land and does an outstanding job of blowing that theory to morsels.

Highly recommended.

31 posted on 10/04/2006 9:10:02 AM PDT by woollyone (evolution- the ONLY convenient place where the 1st & 2nd laws of thermodynamics don't EVER apply)
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To: brownsfan

At least the Muslims would ban abortion and gay marriage and restore the death penalty...so it won't be all bad when Europe falls;-)


32 posted on 10/04/2006 10:05:20 AM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: Defiant
Bump for a conservative remake of "Red Dawn" featuring Islamofacists as the occupying tyrants!
33 posted on 10/04/2006 10:17:19 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: mjp

The liberals are like deer looking into the headlights of a truck...


34 posted on 10/04/2006 10:24:15 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Antoninus

The Spanish should start wearing burkas


35 posted on 10/04/2006 10:25:48 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Antoninus

The same happened in Turkey after the muzzies took over.

The original Christian churches are museums or mosques now.


36 posted on 10/04/2006 10:27:44 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: eyedigress

37 posted on 10/04/2006 10:30:17 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Defiant

38 posted on 10/04/2006 10:32:04 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Rummyfan

39 posted on 10/04/2006 10:33:14 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: BenLurkin

Call it "Green Sunset".


40 posted on 10/04/2006 10:38:14 AM PDT by Defiant (Do you realize if the Star Wars creator's last name was Thomas, we would have Tom Skywalker?)
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To: george76
The original Christian churches are museums or mosques now.

Or destroyed. Most of them were simply sacked and burned.
41 posted on 10/04/2006 10:44:56 AM PDT by Antoninus (Rule 4: See Rules 1 and 3. Rule 5: NO FOLEYS!)
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To: george76

Gen Franco was right. He said that after he died, the atheists would take over Spain.


42 posted on 10/04/2006 11:01:04 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Instead of burning Mohammed in effigy, they can do something more in line with Islam, like blowing up a train full of people.


43 posted on 10/04/2006 11:44:48 AM PDT by Oppressed_Citizen
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To: george76

Spain -- gone from world empire to wimps.


44 posted on 10/04/2006 11:55:05 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: george76

I happened to see part of a SciFi film last night about genetically altered scorpions loose on a plane...and was amazed to see Muslims used as comic relief of all things! They weren't the bad guys, heaven forbid. Just standing in for the old Stepp-in-fetchit role. Surely they'll be offended when they figure out they 'got no respect'.


45 posted on 10/04/2006 11:59:12 AM PDT by hershey
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And it's not a fear of offense, it's a fear of violence.

That's true Islamophobia: the fear of the beat down.

46 posted on 10/04/2006 11:59:51 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Oppressed_Citizen
Instead of burning Mohammed in effigy, they can do something more in line with Islam, like blowing up a train full of people.

If you're going to be offensive, may as well have a strong offense. ;-)

47 posted on 10/04/2006 12:00:55 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: BenLurkin
Bump for a conservative remake of "Red Dawn" featuring Islamofacists as the occupying tyrants!

A more plausible storyline would run like this:

PC blue state government forces attacking the red state militias for fighting the Islamic militiants who are wiping out the PC blue state government forces.

A love triangle, of sorts, where everyone is only fighting the people who aren't fighting them.

48 posted on 10/04/2006 12:06:24 PM PDT by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: eyedigress

ALGIERS, 04 October 2006 (al-Reuters)

Tens of thousands of angry Algerian and Moroccan radical Islamists rioted today, breaking shop windows and burning dozens of cars, after finding out that in 1993, a fictitious TV character named George Costanza insulted their honor by calling them 'Moops'.


49 posted on 10/04/2006 12:13:27 PM PDT by rfp1234 (I've had it up to my keyster with these leaks!!! - - - Ronald Reagan)
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To: george76
The should rethink burning effigies. It contributes to global warming. < /sarc >

But pinatas are very celebratory.
50 posted on 10/04/2006 12:32:37 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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