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GOP Lawmaker Calls for Rumsfeld to Quit [ Shays ]
AP ^ | 10/4/6 | JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN

Posted on 10/04/2006 12:40:23 PM PDT by SmithL

Rep. Chris Shays, a Republican facing a tough challenge from an anti-war Democrat, on Wednesday called for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to resign.

The Connecticut lawmaker also accused officials at the Defense Department of withholding information about the Iraq war from Congress.

"I am losing faith in how we are fighting this war," Shays, a longtime supporter of the conflict, said in an interview. "I believe we have to motivate the Iraqis to do more."

Shays said defense officials stopped cooperating with his congressional subcommittee after he proposed setting a timeline for troop withdrawals. Shays, who had previously opposed such a timeline, offered the plan in August following his 14th trip to Iraq since the war began.

Rumsfeld "simply is refusing to cooperate with a committee that oversees the Department of Defense," Shays said. "To me he has crossed the line."

"I think Donald Rumsfeld needs to step down," Shays said.

Several congressional Democrats have clamored for Rumsfeld's resignation, but it's rare for a lawmaker in President Bush's political party to argue that the Pentagon chief should step down. Republican candidate Tom Kean Jr., who is seeking a Senate seat in New Jersey, also has called for Rumsfeld's resignation.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: chrisshays; grandstanding; rino; rumsfeld; shays; trendy; weasels
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1 posted on 10/04/2006 12:40:23 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Does he count?


2 posted on 10/04/2006 12:41:02 PM PDT by woofie
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To: SmithL

This must be Shays campaign theme. Call for all Republicans to quit. First he says HAstert needs to quit in aqualified way and now Rumsfeild


3 posted on 10/04/2006 12:41:52 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (Geaux Tigers SEC FOOTBALL ROCKS)
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To: SmithL

More Republican disarray. It's offically over - Democrats will win the House & Senate and the terrorists will ultimately win when the weak-kneed liberals take over.

Thanks Chrissie boy!


4 posted on 10/04/2006 12:42:11 PM PDT by GianniV
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To: woofie

LOL! No. I just wish he'd just shut the heck up though!


5 posted on 10/04/2006 12:42:28 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Islam is the Death Cult of Perpetual Outrage!)
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To: SmithL
Rep. Chris Shays, a Republican facing a tough challenge from an anti-war Democrat, on Wednesday called for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to resign.

Shays is a leading RINO who didn't even vote to impeach Clinton. I guess now he's finding even his MSM buds deserting him for a real anti-war Dem. Too bad Chris!

6 posted on 10/04/2006 12:42:40 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: SmithL

Chris Shays is still steamed that he always got beat up for his lunch money - in college.


7 posted on 10/04/2006 12:43:04 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: SmithL

why doesnt Shays quit?


8 posted on 10/04/2006 12:43:14 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: SmithL

I guess Shays thinks he's got to do homage at the alter of "Rumsfeld should quit" to help his re-election chances. Whatever. This election and the silly season it's brought with it can't end soon enough for me so maybe a grain of sanity can return to our government.


9 posted on 10/04/2006 12:43:37 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: SmithL
I believe Rumsfeld should have resigned in 2004.

Now, there's no point to it.

10 posted on 10/04/2006 12:43:55 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Who you gonna call?)
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To: SmithL
Chris Shays.

AP's favorite "Republican" House member.
11 posted on 10/04/2006 12:44:20 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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To: SmithL
Does the Right really need this guy?

...forget it.

12 posted on 10/04/2006 12:44:31 PM PDT by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: Jim Noble

"I believe Rumsfeld should have resigned in 2004."

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Correct. He should at least have resigned or been fired for his stupid answer in Iraq when a soldier queried about getting more armor for American Humvees:

"You go to war with what you got!", Rummy replied.

Rummy is an arrogant technocrat like McNamara was.


13 posted on 10/04/2006 12:46:22 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: SmithL

Hey, Shays, I have a much better idea, why don't YOU quit?


14 posted on 10/04/2006 12:46:22 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: SmithL

Shay must have a real tough fight. But if he stabs the GOP in the back just running for office, why would anyone think he would stand with the GOP when elected?


15 posted on 10/04/2006 12:46:58 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: SmithL
Chris Shays is well to the left of many if not most DEMOCRATS in Congress.

He's a loony liberal, even by Connecticut standards (Joe Lieberman, no conservative, is well to the right of him these days). He's wrong on Iraq, wrong on the Second Amendment, wrong on abortion, wrong on homosexuality, wrong on taxes, wrong on immigration, wrong on property rights, wrong on Bill Clinton... and yet the RNC is spending MILLIONS to make sure he retains his seat.

He used to be right on Iraq, but now his views have changed 180 degrees. Why again is he a Republican?

16 posted on 10/04/2006 12:47:00 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Landru

What a pussy. This Ct. blue blood couldn't make a pimple on Rummies ass. I hope this left wing ass kissing causes him to lose.


17 posted on 10/04/2006 12:47:21 PM PDT by mortal19440
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To: SmithL
"I am losing faith in how we are fighting this war," Shays, a longtime supporter of the conflict

.....because I don't care about America or it's safety. Right now, it's all about me. Vote ME in November."

18 posted on 10/04/2006 12:47:55 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: SmithL

The timing makes me wonder whether Shays has a prediliction he'd rather us not know about.


19 posted on 10/04/2006 12:48:19 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: conservative blonde

On crucial votes, Chris Shays always votes with the Democrats. And yet he's the RNC's favorite candidate, if you look at all the money we're pouring into his campaign chest. Why Chris Shays?


20 posted on 10/04/2006 12:48:48 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Landru
Does the Right really need this guy?

Does the Right hope to hold control of the House?

21 posted on 10/04/2006 12:49:26 PM PDT by drubyfive
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To: SmithL

I call for Shays to resign...all of the RINOs can follow him.


22 posted on 10/04/2006 12:49:36 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I agree Rumsfeld that Rumsfield should have resigned in 2004. He didn't make the worst decisions in Iraq that was Bremer, but he still make some very bad ones.

Now there is no point to him leaving.


23 posted on 10/04/2006 12:50:04 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: GianniV; SmithL; All

Read this from yesterday;

We always win in the end, remember that.

Posted on 10/03/2006 1:53:02 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1713028/posts


24 posted on 10/04/2006 12:50:37 PM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [Sic])
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To: SmithL
Rep. Chris Shays, a Republican facing a tough challenge from an anti-war Democrat, on Wednesday called for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to resign

Rep. Chirs Shays, Republican, Connecticut. Dead Man Walking

25 posted on 10/04/2006 12:51:52 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: MikeA
What cracks me up is these legislators who think it is their "duty" and "mandate" to conduct this war by usurping the power from the Executive.

Their duty is to pay for this war. If they don't like the way it is being conducted then close the bank account. And if that's the case, let's see some courage of their convictions and they can take their chances at re-election time when they have to explain to the constituents why they wouldn't appropriate the necessary funds.

Cowards and idiots, every last one 'em (except my Senator, of course!) ;o)

26 posted on 10/04/2006 12:52:14 PM PDT by liberty_lvr (Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.)
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To: SmithL
Maybe Shays is on "the list" with Goober Graham and Chuckie H from Nebraska.
27 posted on 10/04/2006 12:52:22 PM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaida)
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To: drubyfive
Does the Right hope to hold control of the House?

So long as we're depending on Congressmen like Chris Shays, will the Right ever control the House?

28 posted on 10/04/2006 12:52:22 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: jmc1969

"Now there is no point to him leaving."

***

You're right. Too bad James Webb is running for office as a Dem. I liked him when he was a Repub cabinet member (Navy). He's also a combat vet who knows what the fighting man is going through.


29 posted on 10/04/2006 12:52:24 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: concerned about politics


He's taken the dems theme....better to get elected, and be in power, than be right on anything and stand for a facts based just cause.


30 posted on 10/04/2006 12:52:28 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: GianniV
More Republican disarray. It's offically over - Democrats will win the House & Senate and the terrorists will ultimately win when the weak-kneed liberals take over. Thanks Chrissie boy!

This is what you get when, despite overwhelming evidence a candidate is a liberal POS, you vote for him because he tells you he is a Republican. People who voted for Shays (and Chafee et al) are getting what they deserve.

31 posted on 10/04/2006 12:52:36 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: SmithL

When the going gets tough, stab your fellow politicians in the back.


32 posted on 10/04/2006 12:53:12 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Rummyfan
I believe that the proper stance for Shays would be to call attention to the Democrats' lack of a plan and highlight the victories in the war thanks to Republican leadership. Instead, Shays loses his bowel function and becomes a Democrat in order to look more marketable. That's not an alternative, that's capitulation.

What a coward. Republicans don't need that right now. We need leaders with some backbone. Can we write this loser off and stick someone else in there?

33 posted on 10/04/2006 12:54:26 PM PDT by 60Gunner (One plate of crow with a slice of humble pie! You want hemlock with that?)
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To: SmithL
Gee for about the 10th time. Meanwhile the Dow is about to closes at a New Record around 11,850 for the 1st time, President Bush just signed the Homeland Security bill which includes the $1.2 billion in funding for the Fence and STILL the news is about a RINO media whore repeating for the nth time his utter stupid Junk Media pandering nonsense.

Conservative better learn to get back on offense pretty soon.

34 posted on 10/04/2006 12:55:21 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: jmc1969
After he said, on the record, that we would be down to 30 000 troops in Iraq by Xmas 2003, he should have either a) made a plan to expand the active duty Army and Marine Corps to a strength sufficient to support a 5X greater than planned deployment indefinitely, or b) resigned.

The honorable thing to do was b).

35 posted on 10/04/2006 12:56:39 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Who you gonna call?)
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To: SmithL

Is this new? I thought he had said this a week or two ago.


36 posted on 10/04/2006 12:57:46 PM PDT by Mr. Noodle
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To: kiriath_jearim
He's also a combat vet who knows what the fighting man is going through Maybe he did once upon a time, his conduct in this campaign shows he has forgot everything he might of known about military service. Webb is just another political whore using his uniform as a campaign prop like JF Kerry.
37 posted on 10/04/2006 12:57:50 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: SmithL

What good is it if he did resign? The left would only go after all of the others in the entire Bush administration including the new Secretary of Defense.


38 posted on 10/04/2006 12:57:57 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: Prokopton
People who voted for Shays (and Chafee et al) are getting what they deserve.

and our options are?

39 posted on 10/04/2006 12:58:39 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: in hoc signo vinces

One of the things I have always loved about Rumsfeld was that he was NOT a politician. It always seems he could not care less about all that stuff. I have also always thought that if the left hates him so much that he must be doing something right.


40 posted on 10/04/2006 12:59:37 PM PDT by Mr. Noodle
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To: MNJohnnie

"Webb is just another political whore using his uniform as a campaign prop like JF Kerry."

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All or most politicians are "political whores" to some extent. I'm not excusing his current campaign. I'm saying he probably would have been a better Defense Secretary than Rumsfeld.


41 posted on 10/04/2006 1:00:20 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: drubyfive
"Does the Right hope to hold control of the House?"

Yea.
It does.
How 'bout you, druby?
Tell me/us if you think the Right can. ;^)

Hey druby take a wild leaping guess how the CT RINO votes on issues important to conservatives most of the time?
Or put another way, with who?
Go for it.

I'll repeat: Does the Right really need this guy?
I'll make it even simpler for you druby!!
Does the Right really need this flipflop turncoat quisling-shill?
Well do they, *druby*?

See you're "new" around here, huh.

...well wonder of wonders.

42 posted on 10/04/2006 1:00:20 PM PDT by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: mortal19440; drubyfive
"This Ct. blue blood couldn't make a pimple on Rummies ass."

HA!!
Well you know that & I know that.

Now.

...tell it to *druby*. {g}

43 posted on 10/04/2006 1:02:13 PM PDT by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: GianniV

Where is the sarcasm?


44 posted on 10/04/2006 1:07:00 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners!)
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To: Mr. Noodle


Rummy, Bush, and Condi...have all the right enemies, both foriegn and domestic, in my book!


45 posted on 10/04/2006 1:07:54 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: SmithL
Calling for Rumsfeld to quit (or Hastert or anybody else for that matter) is the most ridiculous thing these ridiculous politicians do.

I think I might start demanding my bank give me $100,000 everyday. Surely if I do it everyday for several years they will give in, right?
46 posted on 10/04/2006 1:08:05 PM PDT by msnimje (Seriously, if it REALLY were a religion of PEACE, would they have to label it as such?)
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To: Alter Kaker

Ya but his Dem opponent is even nuttier!!!!!


47 posted on 10/04/2006 1:08:23 PM PDT by Pondman88
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To: SmithL

Shays has already done this before.

The Iraqi factions just signed a new compact to try to stop the violence -- we need to give it some time to see if it works.


48 posted on 10/04/2006 1:11:21 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jim Noble

Bush wanted to bring democracy to Iraq and change the Middle East. Rummy did not, and he planned to remove the regime and leave the country no matter what the situation on the ground was. Rummy put Transformation over the troops and the War on Terror. Gen. Mark Scheid has only made one interview with the press since he resigned and he has no asked for Rummy to resign unlike others.



Long before the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld forbade military strategists to develop plans for securing a post-war Iraq, the retiring commander of the Army Transportation Corps said Thursday. In fact, said Brig. Gen. Mark Scheid, Rumsfeld said "he would fire the next person" who talked about the need for a post-war plan.

"The secretary of defense continued to push on us that everything we write in our plan has to be the idea that we are going to go in, we're going to take out the regime, and then we're going to leave," Scheid said. "We won't stay."

Scheid said the planners continued to try "to write what was called Phase 4," or the piece of the plan that included post-invasion operations like security, stability and reconstruction. Even if the troops didn't stay, "at least we have to plan for it," Scheid said.

"I remember the secretary of defense saying that he would fire the next person that said that," Scheid said. "We would not do planning for Phase 4 operations, which would require all those additional troops that people talk about today. "He said we will not do that because the American public will not back us if they think we are going over there for a long war."

Why did Rumsfeld think that? Scheid doesn't know. "But think back to those times. We had done Bosnia. We said we were going into Bosnia and stop the fighting and come right out. And we stayed." Was Rumsfeld right or wrong? Scheid said he doesn't know.

"In his own mind he thought we could go in and fight and take out the regime and come out. But a lot of us planners were having a real hard time with it because we were also thinking we can't do this. Once you tear up a country you have to stay and rebuild it. It was very challenging."

Scheid doesn't go so far as calling for Rumsfeld to resign. He's listened as other retired generals have done so. "Everybody has a right to their opinion," he said. "But what good did it do?"

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/15473180.htm


49 posted on 10/04/2006 1:11:56 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: Landru
Does the Right hope to hold control of the House?

****************

I thought that was a valid question. Care to insult me now?

50 posted on 10/04/2006 1:12:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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