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Top GOP leaders botched the Foley scandal
UnionLeader.com ^ | October 5, 2006 | Robert Novak

Posted on 10/04/2006 9:26:33 PM PDT by tennmountainman

AFTER IT WAS learned that Rep. Mark Foley had dispatched an inappropriate e-mail message to a 16-year-old male former page, the House Republican leadership was still urging him to seek re-election from his Florida district. He agreed. It was a success that surely will cost the Republicans Foley's seat in Congress and perhaps control of the House for the first time since the 1994 election.

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Interesting read from Novak
1 posted on 10/04/2006 9:26:33 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman

Novak? Fuggettaboutit.


2 posted on 10/04/2006 9:29:22 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: tennmountainman
Rep. Mark Foley had dispatched an inappropriate e-mail message to a 16-year-old male former page...

Do we now know this to be a false statement?
3 posted on 10/04/2006 9:29:45 PM PDT by msnimje (Seriously, if it REALLY were a religion of PEACE, would they have to label it as such?)
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To: tennmountainman

the kid was 18 right?


4 posted on 10/04/2006 9:30:33 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: msnimje

No, this is probably correct. The IMs went to the older guy. The e-mails, which really were just pilabber, were sent to someone who was at least 16.


5 posted on 10/04/2006 9:30:52 PM PDT by madison10 (Live your life in such a way that the preacher won't have to lie at your funeral.)
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To: tennmountainman
"Even though the sexually explicit messages sent to other former pages in 2003 and 2004 were not yet known, this was the time to ease out Foley."

Piling on I see.....sheesh....

6 posted on 10/04/2006 9:30:58 PM PDT by goodnesswins (I think the real problem is islamo-bombia! (Rummyfan))
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To: tennmountainman
Obviously, if they had thought he was a child molester, they would not have asked him to delay retirement, (which they asked of all seats for 06).

The MSM are beginning to sound like an Oprah Show, ridicules.
7 posted on 10/04/2006 9:31:17 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: tennmountainman

I wouldn't count on it..

Seems the page in question was no longer a page and was 18 when the IM's started getting graphic.


8 posted on 10/04/2006 9:31:53 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: tennmountainman

Novak knew Armitage outed plame... he kept his dim mouth shut to help defeat Bush. Novak knew Scooter Libby was innocent, but he kept his mouth shut and let him hang from the gallows. Novak knows the man was 18 when the salacious IM's were sent and that this scandal (concerning Republican Leadership) is BS... once again he... see a pattern?

LLS


9 posted on 10/04/2006 9:35:29 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: tennmountainman

I seriously doubt the Foley scandal is going to seriously affect any race outside of his district.

Because a voter is repelled by Foley's shenanigans doesn't mean that they will abruptly abandon the GOP and embrace the party of gay marriage and abortion.

Repelled Independents will most likely say "A pox on both your houses." and stay home, which alters nothing.

The liberals are attempting to prybar a political advantage out of this but I predict that in the next few days their carefully planted bomb will go off in their faces.


10 posted on 10/04/2006 9:35:46 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Aside from abortion, perversion, sedition and corruption, what do the Democrats stand for?)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Novak needs to retire. Foley was a very good congressman, imho. Hate to see him disgraced, amd maybe others here feel the same.


11 posted on 10/04/2006 9:36:51 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: madison10
The other thing that strikes me about this is that these guys were apparently not Foley's pages and he did not write them until after they left the page program.

Doesn't that remove the "abuse of power" element of this thing?
12 posted on 10/04/2006 9:37:02 PM PDT by msnimje (Seriously, if it REALLY were a religion of PEACE, would they have to label it as such?)
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To: Echo Talon

I am worried about Novak. Maybe he should consider retirement.
Note the latest reports. The original emailed page was not 16 and had already left the job. The emails are just unwise in wording. Meanwhile, according to Drudge and others, the "kid" who got the IMs may have been over 18. The story is blowing up fast.

Still, I am glad Foley is leaving so another Republican can and will be elected.


13 posted on 10/04/2006 9:37:55 PM PDT by gb63
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To: msnimje

He is referring to the e-mail message requesting the picture that Foley sent to the ex-page in Louisiana, in response to which his family passed a request on that Foley send the ex-page no more e-mails.

The GOP leadership never saw this e-mail. All they knew was that Foley had sent a "non-sexual" e-mail to this ex-page, and that the ex-page's family had asked that Foley be told to send no further e-mails to him. Foley was told to send no further e-mails, and he did not.

IMO, this information, alone, did not warrant strong action against Foley, much less warrant forcing Foley to resign. (Whether there was further info available at the time that warranted stronger action remains to be seen).

This is in contrast to the instant messages Foley exchanged with the 18 year old ex-page in California. But there is no evidence that anybody in the Republican leadership knew about those instant messages before ABC released them a few days ago.


14 posted on 10/04/2006 9:39:48 PM PDT by TheConservator (Confutatis maledictis flammis acribus addictis. . . .)
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To: ClaireSolt

Prepare to be flamed.


15 posted on 10/04/2006 9:40:19 PM PDT by TheConservator (Confutatis maledictis flammis acribus addictis. . . .)
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To: tennmountainman

It is only October 4. The election will be held in about a month. In political terms, a month is just short of eternity. The mainstream media will be on to the next scandal or big story as soon as it occurs. And hardly anyone will even remember this happened by election time. Unless, of course, the MSM tries to keep it pumped up for an entire month. But that rarely works. Foley was a scumbag, no doubt. But what does that have to do with me voting for Mike McGavick instead of Maria Cantwell? Absolutely nothing...zero...nada...zip.


16 posted on 10/04/2006 9:40:57 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: tennmountainman
AFTER IT WAS learned that Rep. Mark Foley had dispatched an inappropriate e-mail message to a 16-year-old male former page, the House Republican leadership was still urging him to seek re-election from his Florida district.

Should have primaried him.

17 posted on 10/04/2006 9:41:18 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide (Hastert will not be Speaker by January 2007 (and should not))
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To: TASMANIANRED
Seems the page in question was no longer a page and was 18 when the IM's started getting graphic.

Perhaps not graphic, but extremely inappropriate. Go back and read the transcript of the conversation where the boy says he won't turn 18 until February. Foley says he's horny, and when the boy says he should slow down because he's not yet 18, Foley tells him he can dream. Sick.

18 posted on 10/04/2006 9:41:29 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: gb63
now im kinda p*ssed off... I think im about as P*ssed off now as I was about the Dan Rather stuff!
19 posted on 10/04/2006 9:42:02 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: msnimje
Doesn't that remove the "abuse of power" element of this thing?

IMO, if the guy(s) was/were a(n) ex-pages, over the age of 18, it's just two gay guys talking...it's freaky, but that's what it is.

20 posted on 10/04/2006 9:42:11 PM PDT by madison10 (Live your life in such a way that the preacher won't have to lie at your funeral.)
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To: ClaireSolt
Foley was a very good congressman, imho. Hate to see him disgraced

The mind boggles.....

21 posted on 10/04/2006 9:43:13 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: gb63
The original emailed page was not 16 and had already left the job. The emails are just unwise in wording.

You have GOT to be kidding me. First of all, the kid WAS 16. Second of all, now that we know Foley IS a sexual predator, the wording of the emails, which the kid described as "sick", was not just "unwise", it was clearly Foley trying to groom yet another young sex partner.

I cannot believe you people are trying to brush this aside.

23 posted on 10/04/2006 9:47:28 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
The liberals are attempting to prybar a political advantage out of this but I predict that in the next few days their carefully planted bomb will go off in their faces.

Don't be surprised if within the next few days all of this is forgotten as the Dems and their hacks in the media trot out some new set of allegations.

24 posted on 10/04/2006 9:47:30 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: ClaireSolt

Doesn't matter. This is a NON story.


25 posted on 10/04/2006 9:47:56 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: tennmountainman

Peddle it to CNN Novak, I'm not interested.


26 posted on 10/04/2006 9:48:21 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Kobach: Amnesty is going from an illegal to a legal position, without imposing the original penalty.)
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To: tennmountainman

More crack-pipe smoking from Novak.


27 posted on 10/04/2006 9:48:51 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Because a voter is repelled by Foley's shenanigans doesn't mean that they will abruptly abandon the GOP and embrace the party of gay marriage and abortion.

Heh-heh-heh! Rep. Mark Foley (D-FL)!
28 posted on 10/04/2006 9:51:50 PM PDT by Justice4Reds
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To: tennmountainman

Stick a fork in Novak he is done.


29 posted on 10/04/2006 9:52:04 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs
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To: tennmountainman

Personally, I think it would be helpful if all of the debauchery and corruption in the congress were well known to the electorate. Let the chips fall...


30 posted on 10/04/2006 9:52:09 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democrats. French, but more cowardly.)
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To: tennmountainman
Novak is posting tired old news about nothing...lol.

The Pajama Patrol has already unraveled this RAT contrived scandal.
31 posted on 10/04/2006 9:53:03 PM PDT by Beagle8U (I agree with the Demonrats.....All Queers must be removed from Congress! ( Its for the children))
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To: tennmountainman

Novak's an ass.

Hastert looked at the e-mails, the FBI looked at the e-mails, everyone said "I don't really see anything illegal here."

Novak et al are, as Ann said last night to Bill O'Reilly, "asking Hastert to have wire-tapped a Congressman when they don't even want us wire-tapping muslim terrorists."

What an ass.


32 posted on 10/04/2006 9:53:53 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: ClaireSolt
Novak needs to retire.

He definitely has screwed up bigtime lately, he knew of the Rat-Fitzpatric conspiracy to entrap Rove-Cheney--et all, and let it run. Now this "assessment" of Pubbies. The incompetent conservative is Novak.

33 posted on 10/04/2006 9:54:32 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Striving to obtain liberal victim status.)
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To: tennmountainman

Big mistake on your part for posting this. I haven't read the comments yet but I'm sure the Pubbie bots who put party above morality and everything else will crucify you for posting this thread.


34 posted on 10/04/2006 9:55:07 PM PDT by no dems (I'll take a moral Mormon over a demonic Democrat or repugnant RINO anyday.)
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To: gb63
I am glad Foley is leaving so another Republican can and will be elected.

I hope so, but, people have to pull the lever for Foley because his name is already on the ballot and Absentee Ballots have been mailed out.

Fox News interviewed Republicans in Foley's District today and many of them said, "I might not vote for the Democrat but I just cannot vote for the name of Foley on that ballot even though I know he's not running."
35 posted on 10/04/2006 9:59:17 PM PDT by no dems (I'll take a moral Mormon over a demonic Democrat or repugnant RINO anyday.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Novak knows the man was 18 when the salacious IM's were sent
 
Plame told him all the salacious details.../sarc

36 posted on 10/04/2006 10:00:38 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Re:9, Yep, there is a pattern.

Maybe leftieism is a disease you can catch by sitting amongst a bunch of 'em on Sunday Pundit TV.

37 posted on 10/04/2006 10:01:51 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Striving to obtain liberal victim status.)
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To: JohnnyZ

The Louisiana boy from Rep. Alexander's district would have been 16 or over when appointed. It seems he may have completed his service and left when he got the "unwise" emails. You and I agree that Foley seems to have been looking for a score with a young man. We both agree he should be gone from the Congress. But, I hope you also agree that he is being removed at this particular time by a political dirty trick. We cannot brush that aside either.


38 posted on 10/04/2006 10:03:24 PM PDT by gb63
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To: tennmountainman

First, Foley was, and is, a scaly geek. Whether he's also a criminal... doesn't seem to me to be worth the pettifogging it's getting. He was a geek, he needed to go. He's gone, so what's the problem?

If the GOP loses the House it will not be because Mark Foley was a scaly geek, a 50-something lecher who wants to seduce teenagers (whether they're "this"teen or "that"teen is kind of immaterial when I put it that way, isn't it?) It's just as scaly when it's a straight guy.

I mean, I am younger than Foley, and thumpingly heterosexual, but I really can't see myself in my horniest imaginable state sending racy IMs or emails to 16-to-18-year-old girls. What on earth would we talk about? (Maybe that's why the selection of subject matter in the Foley documents is so... narrow).

No, if the GOP loses the house it will be because the GOP leadership, Hastert, DeLay, Boehner, and their cronies, threw it away. They were more interested in lining their own pockets and the plush pockets of their friends than it showing leadership. They had numerous opportunities to reform but they were too busy rakin' it in. When they elected Boehner to replace DeLay -- elected "Mr K Street" who is known as a spineless puppet of lobbyists -- they pretty much said, "the electorate is stupid, and we have a lock on this entitlement."

If they lose the house it will be because, with the house in hand in 1994, the key provision of the Contract With America -- term limits -- was thrown out.

In very few details was the Republican congress of the last 12 years superior to its Democratic predecessor, and by 2006 it had become almost indistinguishable.

"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Sorry about this, for those of you who are faithful Republicans. But to me it is more important that a Congressman not be a creep than it is that he be a political ally.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


39 posted on 10/04/2006 10:08:46 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

So Foley resigned what is the problem? No one is suggesting one become an ally of Foley quite the opposite. FYI Hastert in this case did nothing wrong.


40 posted on 10/04/2006 10:19:38 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs
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To: tennmountainman

Let's see...I am in the San Jose area.
Mike Honda is up for reelection. I do not know his opponent.
That is how effective the republican party is in this area.

So, I will not vote or will vote for Mike Honda because of
Foley?

I do not think so. I will vote for the janitor running against Honda. My vote has not changed.

EOM!


41 posted on 10/04/2006 10:23:34 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
I seriously doubt the Foley scandal is going to seriously affect any race outside of his district. Because a voter is repelled by Foley's shenanigans doesn't mean that they will abruptly abandon the GOP and embrace the party of gay marriage and abortion.

Wouldnt be so sure. A bunch of whacko "Values" voters are talking about sitting out the election. That would make a difference in tight races. Right now I think we are going to lose 25-30 seats. The entire GOP leadership is at each others throats and no effective leadership is being offered. A number of candidates are forgoing having Hastert campaign or raise funds for them until this thing clears up. EVeryone's time and effort is going into damage control and no one is talking about our issues. Immigration was the big issue of the year and all congress could do was order a 700 mile fence to cover 2100 mile border. Reminds me of '94.

42 posted on 10/04/2006 10:38:40 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: tennmountainman

You mean registered Democrat Novak?

How about we discuss the FACTS. Foley is a bad guy. He was forced to resign by Republicans. He is being investigated and may end up in jail. However, Democrats sat on the information for almost a year that could of gotten Foley delt with MUCH earlier because they felt it was MORE important to use it as a cheap campaign stunt. Meanwhile, 56 Democrat Congress critters face ethics or ciminal investigation and NOT ONE of themse has been required to do ANYTHING by their party leadership. NOT ONE.

This Foley crap is nothing but nonsense and noise. He resigned. He is under investigation. He will be prosecuted. Meanwhile the REAL important stuff is not being talked about so the Junk Media drama queens can hyperventilate about a complete NON issue and divert attention off the Democrats complete lack of anything that even looks like a sane idea of a plan for our future.

You tax bill, the War on Terrorism, the Border, your kids future, NSA bill pending in front of Congress, Judges, Spending, Jobs and the Economy, ALL the real issues that the next Congress will have to deal with will STILL be here and need a resolution a month from now when NO one even remembers Foley's name.


43 posted on 10/04/2006 10:40:06 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Say Leftists. How many Nazis did killing Nazis in WW2 create? or Samurai? or Fascists?)
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To: gb63
The original emailed page was not 16 and had already left the job. The emails are just unwise in wording. Meanwhile, according to Drudge and others, the "kid" who got the IMs may have been over 18. The story is blowing up fast.

There were two other pages interviewed on TV last night. Foley had talked sex with both of them as well almost from the beginning. Others were quoted as having been informally warned about Foley as long ago as '98. I dont think this story is blowing up in the way you seem to think it is.

44 posted on 10/04/2006 10:42:20 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: MNJohnnie
You tax bill, the War on Terrorism, the Border, your kids future, NSA bill pending in front of Congress, Judges, Spending, Jobs and the Economy, ALL the real issues that the next Congress will have to deal with will STILL be here and need a resolution a month from now when NO one even remembers Foley's name.

True but at the rate things are going no one will be talking about those issues between now and the election. You hardly seem them even mentioned here on FR. Its all about how the Dems did this or that to make Hastert look bad.

45 posted on 10/04/2006 10:46:37 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: LibLieSlayer

Yeah!!! Excellent post!


46 posted on 10/04/2006 10:48:58 PM PDT by Howlin (Release the Joe Wilson Niger Report!!!!)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
I seriously doubt the Foley scandal is going to seriously affect any race outside of his district.

Come on... elections are effected by the rain. You don't think a week of the press screaming 'REPUBLICAN... PEDOPHILE.. LEADERSHIP... KNEW...' isn't going to effect voters?

The GOP will need to balance it with a week worth of press bashing with the new information that the 'page' was 18.. and ABC had the info for over 6 months without properly checking it.

47 posted on 10/04/2006 10:50:49 PM PDT by sten
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Don't be surprised if within the next few days all of this is forgotten as the Dems and their hacks in the media trot out some new set of allegations.

They're going to have to accuse somebody of M U R D E R to get the MSM's attention off this one.

48 posted on 10/04/2006 10:52:24 PM PDT by Howlin (Release the Joe Wilson Niger Report!!!!)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Personally, I think it would be helpful if all of the debauchery and corruption in the congress were well known to the electorate.

Why stop at Congress? How about the press, too?

49 posted on 10/04/2006 10:53:18 PM PDT by Howlin (Release the Joe Wilson Niger Report!!!!)
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To: YdontUleaveLibs

I'm not saying anyone, except Foley, has done anything wrong in the present case (and I have no opinion on whether what he did was criminal -- but it was certainly wrong. I have the old-fashioned idea that Congressmen ought to aspire to a level of citizenship higher than "technically not felonious.")

I think that many Republicans will use the Foley case to excuse the Party's poor performance in these elections, when it was coming before Foley got outed anyway. Most districts are not competitive -- but in many which are the Republicans are getting their heads handed to them. Good, competitive candidates like Diana Irey and Mark Kennedy are being starved of resources. Instead the committees threw fortunes into the primaries, to promote internecine fighting among Republicans (and, oddly enough, in every case in support of the more liberal candidate).

It think it's less a conservative/liberal thing, than the committees only wanting to help candidates who will be sure to play the inside game in DC. There is very little daylight between Dems and Reps on most issues. Both of them always go for the federal government and against the individual citizen.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


50 posted on 10/04/2006 10:54:44 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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