Skip to comments.Top GOP leaders botched the Foley scandal
Posted on 10/04/2006 9:26:33 PM PDT by tennmountainman
AFTER IT WAS learned that Rep. Mark Foley had dispatched an inappropriate e-mail message to a 16-year-old male former page, the House Republican leadership was still urging him to seek re-election from his Florida district. He agreed. It was a success that surely will cost the Republicans Foley's seat in Congress and perhaps control of the House for the first time since the 1994 election.
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the kid was 18 right?
No, this is probably correct. The IMs went to the older guy. The e-mails, which really were just pilabber, were sent to someone who was at least 16.
Piling on I see.....sheesh....
I wouldn't count on it..
Seems the page in question was no longer a page and was 18 when the IM's started getting graphic.
Novak knew Armitage outed plame... he kept his dim mouth shut to help defeat Bush. Novak knew Scooter Libby was innocent, but he kept his mouth shut and let him hang from the gallows. Novak knows the man was 18 when the salacious IM's were sent and that this scandal (concerning Republican Leadership) is BS... once again he... see a pattern?
I seriously doubt the Foley scandal is going to seriously affect any race outside of his district.
Because a voter is repelled by Foley's shenanigans doesn't mean that they will abruptly abandon the GOP and embrace the party of gay marriage and abortion.
Repelled Independents will most likely say "A pox on both your houses." and stay home, which alters nothing.
The liberals are attempting to prybar a political advantage out of this but I predict that in the next few days their carefully planted bomb will go off in their faces.
Novak needs to retire. Foley was a very good congressman, imho. Hate to see him disgraced, amd maybe others here feel the same.
I am worried about Novak. Maybe he should consider retirement.
Note the latest reports. The original emailed page was not 16 and had already left the job. The emails are just unwise in wording. Meanwhile, according to Drudge and others, the "kid" who got the IMs may have been over 18. The story is blowing up fast.
Still, I am glad Foley is leaving so another Republican can and will be elected.
He is referring to the e-mail message requesting the picture that Foley sent to the ex-page in Louisiana, in response to which his family passed a request on that Foley send the ex-page no more e-mails.
The GOP leadership never saw this e-mail. All they knew was that Foley had sent a "non-sexual" e-mail to this ex-page, and that the ex-page's family had asked that Foley be told to send no further e-mails to him. Foley was told to send no further e-mails, and he did not.
IMO, this information, alone, did not warrant strong action against Foley, much less warrant forcing Foley to resign. (Whether there was further info available at the time that warranted stronger action remains to be seen).
This is in contrast to the instant messages Foley exchanged with the 18 year old ex-page in California. But there is no evidence that anybody in the Republican leadership knew about those instant messages before ABC released them a few days ago.
Prepare to be flamed.
It is only October 4. The election will be held in about a month. In political terms, a month is just short of eternity. The mainstream media will be on to the next scandal or big story as soon as it occurs. And hardly anyone will even remember this happened by election time. Unless, of course, the MSM tries to keep it pumped up for an entire month. But that rarely works. Foley was a scumbag, no doubt. But what does that have to do with me voting for Mike McGavick instead of Maria Cantwell? Absolutely nothing...zero...nada...zip.
Should have primaried him.
Perhaps not graphic, but extremely inappropriate. Go back and read the transcript of the conversation where the boy says he won't turn 18 until February. Foley says he's horny, and when the boy says he should slow down because he's not yet 18, Foley tells him he can dream. Sick.
IMO, if the guy(s) was/were a(n) ex-pages, over the age of 18, it's just two gay guys talking...it's freaky, but that's what it is.
The mind boggles.....
You have GOT to be kidding me. First of all, the kid WAS 16. Second of all, now that we know Foley IS a sexual predator, the wording of the emails, which the kid described as "sick", was not just "unwise", it was clearly Foley trying to groom yet another young sex partner.
I cannot believe you people are trying to brush this aside.
Don't be surprised if within the next few days all of this is forgotten as the Dems and their hacks in the media trot out some new set of allegations.
Doesn't matter. This is a NON story.
Peddle it to CNN Novak, I'm not interested.
More crack-pipe smoking from Novak.
Stick a fork in Novak he is done.
Personally, I think it would be helpful if all of the debauchery and corruption in the congress were well known to the electorate. Let the chips fall...
Novak's an ass.
Hastert looked at the e-mails, the FBI looked at the e-mails, everyone said "I don't really see anything illegal here."
Novak et al are, as Ann said last night to Bill O'Reilly, "asking Hastert to have wire-tapped a Congressman when they don't even want us wire-tapping muslim terrorists."
What an ass.
He definitely has screwed up bigtime lately, he knew of the Rat-Fitzpatric conspiracy to entrap Rove-Cheney--et all, and let it run. Now this "assessment" of Pubbies. The incompetent conservative is Novak.
Big mistake on your part for posting this. I haven't read the comments yet but I'm sure the Pubbie bots who put party above morality and everything else will crucify you for posting this thread.
Maybe leftieism is a disease you can catch by sitting amongst a bunch of 'em on Sunday Pundit TV.
The Louisiana boy from Rep. Alexander's district would have been 16 or over when appointed. It seems he may have completed his service and left when he got the "unwise" emails. You and I agree that Foley seems to have been looking for a score with a young man. We both agree he should be gone from the Congress. But, I hope you also agree that he is being removed at this particular time by a political dirty trick. We cannot brush that aside either.
First, Foley was, and is, a scaly geek. Whether he's also a criminal... doesn't seem to me to be worth the pettifogging it's getting. He was a geek, he needed to go. He's gone, so what's the problem?
If the GOP loses the House it will not be because Mark Foley was a scaly geek, a 50-something lecher who wants to seduce teenagers (whether they're "this"teen or "that"teen is kind of immaterial when I put it that way, isn't it?) It's just as scaly when it's a straight guy.
I mean, I am younger than Foley, and thumpingly heterosexual, but I really can't see myself in my horniest imaginable state sending racy IMs or emails to 16-to-18-year-old girls. What on earth would we talk about? (Maybe that's why the selection of subject matter in the Foley documents is so... narrow).
No, if the GOP loses the house it will be because the GOP leadership, Hastert, DeLay, Boehner, and their cronies, threw it away. They were more interested in lining their own pockets and the plush pockets of their friends than it showing leadership. They had numerous opportunities to reform but they were too busy rakin' it in. When they elected Boehner to replace DeLay -- elected "Mr K Street" who is known as a spineless puppet of lobbyists -- they pretty much said, "the electorate is stupid, and we have a lock on this entitlement."
If they lose the house it will be because, with the house in hand in 1994, the key provision of the Contract With America -- term limits -- was thrown out.
In very few details was the Republican congress of the last 12 years superior to its Democratic predecessor, and by 2006 it had become almost indistinguishable.
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
Sorry about this, for those of you who are faithful Republicans. But to me it is more important that a Congressman not be a creep than it is that he be a political ally.
Criminal Number 18F
So Foley resigned what is the problem? No one is suggesting one become an ally of Foley quite the opposite. FYI Hastert in this case did nothing wrong.
Let's see...I am in the San Jose area.
Mike Honda is up for reelection. I do not know his opponent.
That is how effective the republican party is in this area.
So, I will not vote or will vote for Mike Honda because of
I do not think so. I will vote for the janitor running against Honda. My vote has not changed.
Wouldnt be so sure. A bunch of whacko "Values" voters are talking about sitting out the election. That would make a difference in tight races. Right now I think we are going to lose 25-30 seats. The entire GOP leadership is at each others throats and no effective leadership is being offered. A number of candidates are forgoing having Hastert campaign or raise funds for them until this thing clears up. EVeryone's time and effort is going into damage control and no one is talking about our issues. Immigration was the big issue of the year and all congress could do was order a 700 mile fence to cover 2100 mile border. Reminds me of '94.
You mean registered Democrat Novak?
How about we discuss the FACTS. Foley is a bad guy. He was forced to resign by Republicans. He is being investigated and may end up in jail. However, Democrats sat on the information for almost a year that could of gotten Foley delt with MUCH earlier because they felt it was MORE important to use it as a cheap campaign stunt. Meanwhile, 56 Democrat Congress critters face ethics or ciminal investigation and NOT ONE of themse has been required to do ANYTHING by their party leadership. NOT ONE.
This Foley crap is nothing but nonsense and noise. He resigned. He is under investigation. He will be prosecuted. Meanwhile the REAL important stuff is not being talked about so the Junk Media drama queens can hyperventilate about a complete NON issue and divert attention off the Democrats complete lack of anything that even looks like a sane idea of a plan for our future.
You tax bill, the War on Terrorism, the Border, your kids future, NSA bill pending in front of Congress, Judges, Spending, Jobs and the Economy, ALL the real issues that the next Congress will have to deal with will STILL be here and need a resolution a month from now when NO one even remembers Foley's name.
There were two other pages interviewed on TV last night. Foley had talked sex with both of them as well almost from the beginning. Others were quoted as having been informally warned about Foley as long ago as '98. I dont think this story is blowing up in the way you seem to think it is.
True but at the rate things are going no one will be talking about those issues between now and the election. You hardly seem them even mentioned here on FR. Its all about how the Dems did this or that to make Hastert look bad.
Yeah!!! Excellent post!
Come on... elections are effected by the rain. You don't think a week of the press screaming 'REPUBLICAN... PEDOPHILE.. LEADERSHIP... KNEW...' isn't going to effect voters?
The GOP will need to balance it with a week worth of press bashing with the new information that the 'page' was 18.. and ABC had the info for over 6 months without properly checking it.
They're going to have to accuse somebody of M U R D E R to get the MSM's attention off this one.
Why stop at Congress? How about the press, too?
I'm not saying anyone, except Foley, has done anything wrong in the present case (and I have no opinion on whether what he did was criminal -- but it was certainly wrong. I have the old-fashioned idea that Congressmen ought to aspire to a level of citizenship higher than "technically not felonious.")
I think that many Republicans will use the Foley case to excuse the Party's poor performance in these elections, when it was coming before Foley got outed anyway. Most districts are not competitive -- but in many which are the Republicans are getting their heads handed to them. Good, competitive candidates like Diana Irey and Mark Kennedy are being starved of resources. Instead the committees threw fortunes into the primaries, to promote internecine fighting among Republicans (and, oddly enough, in every case in support of the more liberal candidate).
It think it's less a conservative/liberal thing, than the committees only wanting to help candidates who will be sure to play the inside game in DC. There is very little daylight between Dems and Reps on most issues. Both of them always go for the federal government and against the individual citizen.
Criminal Number 18F