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Watchdog Group Disputes FBI's Claims on E-Mails
washingtonpost.com ^ | oct 6, 2006 | Dan Eggen

Posted on 10/05/2006 8:19:20 PM PDT by blogblogginaway

The watchdog group that first provided the FBI with suspicious e-mails from then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) said yesterday that FBI and Justice Department officials are attempting to cover up their inaction in the case by making false claims about the group.

Law enforcement officials said the allegations by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) are without merit, and they stood by allegations that the group had refused to provide some information to the FBI.

The dispute is the latest controversy this week for CREW, a liberal-leaning group that has come under attack from House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and other Republicans because it has received money from a foundation funded by liberal financier George Soros.

CREW held a news conference Monday to announce that in July it had provided the FBI suspicious e-mails between Foley and a former House page. The group criticized the bureau for not taking more aggressive action and asked Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine to investigate the FBI's handling of the case.

Law enforcement officials said then that the e-mails did not provide enough evidence of a possible crime to warrant a full investigation. In the e-mails, Foley praises the physical attributes of one page and asks another teenager for his picture.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 200604; 200607; crew; crewgate; fbi; fine; foley; foleygate; georgesoros; glennafine; glennfine; powerghraib; soros
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1 posted on 10/05/2006 8:19:21 PM PDT by blogblogginaway
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"In subsequent days, unidentified Justice and FBI officials told reporters that the e-mails provided by CREW were heavily redacted and that the group refused to provide unedited versions to the FBI. One law enforcement official -- speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation -- also told The Washington Post the FBI believed that CREW may have received the e-mails as early as April and that the group refused to tell the FBI how they were obtained."


2 posted on 10/05/2006 8:22:39 PM PDT by blogblogginaway (..)
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To: blogblogginaway

Let the he said / she said games begin!


3 posted on 10/05/2006 8:26:58 PM PDT by Kuksool (Design your Own Polls. Go Vote and Take a Few Others With You)
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To: blogblogginaway
Where the emails written with crayons?
4 posted on 10/05/2006 8:27:27 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: blogblogginaway
it had provided the FBI suspicious e-mails between Foley and a former House page.

Were these emails complete with headers? If not, they are worthless.
5 posted on 10/05/2006 8:27:32 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: blogblogginaway

Wheels flying off in all directions. The rat re-election bus is sliding on its side into Pick-Your-Part.


6 posted on 10/05/2006 8:28:25 PM PDT by telebob
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To: blogblogginaway
"In subsequent days, unidentified Justice and FBI officials told reporters that the e-mails provided by CREW were heavily redacted and that the group refused to provide unedited versions to the FBI. One law enforcement official -- speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation -- also told The Washington Post the FBI believed that CREW may have received the e-mails as early as April and that the group refused to tell the FBI how they were obtained."

WTF, how can't the refuse to cooperate with the FBI?

7 posted on 10/05/2006 8:29:44 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
errr..
WTF, how can they refuse to cooperate with the FBI?
8 posted on 10/05/2006 8:30:43 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: blogblogginaway
Fake but accurate.
9 posted on 10/05/2006 8:31:04 PM PDT by Samwise (All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.)
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To: blogblogginaway

Yeah, that's the way, call the FBI "LIARS".
Bwhahahahahaha.


10 posted on 10/05/2006 8:31:09 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: blogblogginaway
White House e-mail administrator says he never told Clinton about missing messages

From CNN Producer Ted Barrett at U.S. District Court

August 23, 2000
Web posted at: 6:29 p.m. EDT (2229 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Clinton administration official who oversees the troubled White House e-mail system testified Wednesday he never told President Clinton about the computer problem that prevented thousands of White House e-mails from being properly stored and archived.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/08/23/wh.email/
11 posted on 10/05/2006 8:31:51 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: blogblogginaway

"liberal-leaning group" my a**! The compost is running on full spin cycle here. LOL!


12 posted on 10/05/2006 8:31:56 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Samwise

Looks like CREW will be needing a lifeboat soon.


13 posted on 10/05/2006 8:32:21 PM PDT by blogblogginaway (..)
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To: blogblogginaway
George Soros

And the center of the whole scheme has finally been revealed. Peel the onion, and what do you find?
14 posted on 10/05/2006 8:32:21 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: blogblogginaway

Let the subpoenas begin!


15 posted on 10/05/2006 8:32:51 PM PDT by Socratic ( "Better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied" - J.S. Mill)
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To: telebob
The rat re-election bus is sliding on its side into Pick-Your-Part.

I think I found it!


16 posted on 10/05/2006 8:36:46 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Echo Talon

Arrest Soros for obstruction. Problem solved.


17 posted on 10/05/2006 8:36:49 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs
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To: YdontUleaveLibs

someone should be arrested, not cooperating with an ongoing investigaton? hmmm


18 posted on 10/05/2006 8:37:48 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: soccer8
"I think I found it!"

That's it! Time to strip 'er down!

19 posted on 10/05/2006 8:38:10 PM PDT by telebob
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To: blogblogginaway
CREW is most likely responsible for the website, stopsexpredators.com.

It is coming out of John Conyers district.

http://ace.mu.nu/
20 posted on 10/05/2006 8:38:57 PM PDT by JRochelle (You can believe what you want, but you can't have your own facts!)
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To: blogblogginaway

The teen whose physical attributes were discussed was over 18, and asking for a picture is not a crime.


21 posted on 10/05/2006 8:38:58 PM PDT by Eva
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To: JRochelle
Melanie Sloan, CREW's executive director, said copies of the original e-mails she sent to an FBI agent show those assertions to be wrong.

Ms. Sloan had in the past worked for Sen. Joseph Biden(D) of Deleware as well as John Conyers. She's a liberal hack.

22 posted on 10/05/2006 8:45:42 PM PDT by blake6900
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To: Eva

The DemocRATS' "foleygate" fiasco is starting to look more and more like another Rathergate fiasco with forged and phony "documents." Somebody needs to go to jail.


23 posted on 10/05/2006 8:46:40 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When was the last time you heard a DemocRAT say something positive about America?)
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To: blogblogginaway
http://passionateamerica.blogspot.com/2006/10/foleygate-mark-foley-emails-altered.html

Them scum-ball FBI clowns not accepting redacted and edited e-mail. sarc
24 posted on 10/05/2006 8:49:25 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: blogblogginaway
Reference Bump!
25 posted on 10/05/2006 8:52:15 PM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: telebob
I can't resist:


26 posted on 10/05/2006 8:52:27 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: soccer8

That's rich!!


27 posted on 10/05/2006 8:53:08 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: blogblogginaway

They don't want Freeh and the FBI is wrong! Doesn't get any better than this.


28 posted on 10/05/2006 8:53:54 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: soccer8

Roll her up on the blocks and let's salvage what we can...


29 posted on 10/05/2006 9:00:20 PM PDT by telebob
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To: blogblogginaway; All
Watchdogs in Soros's pocket: GOP

"..One target of Republican criticism is Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), the group that last year assisted former Rep. Chris Bell (D-Texas) in drafting an ethics complaint against DeLay, which resulted in an admonishment of DeLay from the ethics committee. At last week’s press conference, Melanie Sloan, CREW’s executive director, said that DeLay should step down as majority leader.

From 1995 to 1998, CREW’s Sloan served as minority counsel for the House Judiciary Committee under Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.). Before that, Sloan served as the nominations counsel on the Senate Judiciary Committee under Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.)..."

CREW is a Soros Org and Sloan worked for Democrats. This material was held held back for maximum effect on the election. The political motivations are so obvious that any part of this has to be looked at extra closely. For Instance, how can we know the IMs are real and not fabrications like Memogate? The emails we know about are very mild by comparison.

30 posted on 10/05/2006 9:05:28 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: P-40
"Were these emails complete with headers?"

Probably typed on an IBM Selectric too.

31 posted on 10/05/2006 9:08:34 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: soccer8
There is a company here called Unemployed Democrats. I guess they are facing reality...

http://www.unemployeddemocrats.com/
32 posted on 10/05/2006 9:12:23 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Mo1; Howlin
"Sloan said the group sent unedited e-mails to the FBI because "we wanted them to commence an investigation. We're sort of outraged that they're saying anything differently." The group has asked Fine's office to look into the FBI's assertions."

Ya, we're sort of outraged!

Today when Cavuto asked Soros about this, Soros said that he contributes money, but knows nothing about what these groups do.

33 posted on 10/05/2006 9:16:03 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter ("And you got that little smirk on your face, and you think you're so clever!")
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To: blogblogginaway; All
Missing from this WP report, per AJ Strata, CNN Paul Zahn tonight talked about the FBI investigation of CREW and according to AJ:

"The FBI said the emails provided by CREW had the Page’s name redacted and made following up impossible. They also said CREW edited the emails (they are not scans, they seem to be recreations - signs of RaThergate and Downing Street all over again). CREW challenged these claims and let slip the emails included the name of the Page and the Staffer.."
34 posted on 10/05/2006 9:21:28 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: blogblogginaway
the group refused to tell the FBI how they were obtained

So I guess the FBI will just pack up its investigation and go home. CREW doesn't want to play. Oh well.

35 posted on 10/05/2006 9:22:32 PM PDT by LikeLight (RYMB)
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To: blogblogginaway; All
Also what is missing, per CNN's webpage:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/04/foley.scandal/

CREW Executive Director Melanie Sloan disputed that account, saying the FBI was given the teen's full e-mail address July 21. CREW received the e-mails that day from "a third party who had gotten them from a congressional staffer," she said.
36 posted on 10/05/2006 9:29:46 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: blogblogginaway

The jig is up.


37 posted on 10/05/2006 9:40:30 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: blogblogginaway
These CREW types are supposedly attorneys. They do know that it is a felony to lie to a FBI agent don't they? If they think that attorney-client privilege will protect them, then they better bone up on the law books, as it won't protect them if they are engaged in a criminal conspiracy to commit fraud.
38 posted on 10/05/2006 9:48:53 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: JRochelle; Howlin; Sam Hill; onyx

Thanks for that link
(snip)

Update: People with the same names as John Conyer's Detroit office staffers just happen to have addresses in neighboring upscale suburb Royal Oak, Michigan.

May mean something. May mean nothing.

I'd post the list, but I don't know, seems sort of an invasion of privacy given this is all just a hunch of a fishing expedition at this point.



(snip)
Update: IP of StopSexualPredators Admin ID'd As Coming From Royal Oak, Michigan
– Ace


39 posted on 10/05/2006 9:49:41 PM PDT by Mo1 (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - BECOME A MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: bobsunshine
CREW challenged these claims and let slip the emails included the name of the Page and the Staffer.."

Could it be that the Staffer they are talking about is Foley's ex-chief of staff, Kirk?

Could it be that they know that it was Edmund chatting with Kirk, using Foley's AIM account? Could it be that they knew this because they put them up to it back in April 2003 when they were just getting going?

FBI should grill them good, including a polygraph session.

40 posted on 10/05/2006 9:56:10 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: bobsunshine
CREW Executive Director Melanie Sloan disputed that account, saying the FBI was given the teen's full e-mail address July 21.

Ahhh,yeah, right. So CREW sent the FBI some email, IMs, etc. and said, "These are from Mark Foley. Go investigate." And the FBI was given the teen's email address. Hmmmm...

Was it a Yahoo.com email address or some other free service that anyone can open with any name they choose? Gee...I can't understand why the FBI couldn't run with that. I guess Ms. Sloan wanted the agents to simply go pressure Foley and pay no mind to the "victims" since there's obviously no need to talk to them.

I'm glad this b!tch works for the dems and not us.

41 posted on 10/05/2006 9:59:36 PM PDT by blake6900
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To: Mo1
Update: IP of StopSexualPredators Admin ID'd As Coming From Royal Oak, Michigan

Edmund's buddy Englander went to U. of MI in Ann Arbor, MI a mere 45 miles away. Maybe the IP is for a local MI ISP that serves both cities? Hopefully the FBI is looking into Englander as well. He may be the cutout between Edmund and CREW.

42 posted on 10/05/2006 10:03:05 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: PhiKapMom; mass55th; piasa; Mia T; ThePythonicCow; Suzy Quzy
Anatomy of a Scandal - How One Man Brought Down the Wolverine Party

As recorded in formal complaints submitted to the election board, a man fitting the description of WP Chair Chip Englander went door-to-door trying to secure votes for his party. He knocked on doors and presented himself as a supporter, but not candidate of the party. After being let in to peoples' rooms, he went to the election web page and asked students to enter their uniqnames and passwords.

According to one report, "I wasn't watching what he did after that, but basically, I turned around and he had the entire ballot filled out for a certain party. I looked at him like he was crazy." In another report, the man "very quickly, because I think he had been doing it all night, clicked all of the Wolverine Party candidates. . I never gave him permission, but he submitted my vote anyway."

Mr. Agrawal disputes this, claiming in an e-mail sent to the Wolverine Party that the Election Board investigated the complaints and found "several rooms" had similar experiences. He further points out that one of the accusers actually supported the Wolverine Party.

Another article I found about Englander's dirty tricks at U. of MI.

Which reminds me, why the hell didn?t all you troglodytes vote for the FRAT Party? They lost, and that stinks! Instead, Chip Englander went and tried to play the magical election fairy, and got the whole damn Wolverine Party disqualified. I bet Chip still has lots of friends. And how about that Hideki? I like the guy, and as soon as he learns how to speak English, I bet he?ll make a damn fine student body President.

And finally, since we?re talking about student bodies, I?d like to congratulate the beautiful girls of Delta Gamma on winning Greek Week. They were paired with another sorority, Pi Kappa Alpha (yes, retards, this is a joke), and like Chip Englander, they like to go around pretending they?re fairies.

My analysis was:

Could it be that Chip Englander is a veteran political dirty trickster, who's gay connections were exploited by the Democrats to blackmail closet Republican gay politicians?

Also another Englander dirty trick in Ventura, CA in 2004.

Maybe this is where Edmund met Englander and told him of the IM logs with Foley?

43 posted on 10/05/2006 10:42:36 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: blogblogginaway
Why do I get the sudden ebullient feeling that this entire Foley Mess is going to explode violently and messily in CREW and company's (LSM/Soros'/DNC's) faces?

Jack.
44 posted on 10/05/2006 10:53:12 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: Echo Talon
WTF, how can they refuse to cooperate with the FBI?

We're talking about the same bunch that managed to get away with stealing over 900 FBI files.

45 posted on 10/05/2006 11:38:47 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: blake6900

Limburger smells better than this whole story. The only people worse that Foley himself are those who are trying to make political gains from it by protecting a child molester for maximum media damage.


46 posted on 10/05/2006 11:42:39 PM PDT by bpjam (Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaida - The Religion of Peace)
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To: blogblogginaway

--Watchdog Group Disputes FBI's Claims on E-Mails--

Liberal Newspaper Ignores Democratic Political Motivations Behind Page Sex Scandal


47 posted on 10/05/2006 11:43:24 PM PDT by rfp1234 (I've had it up to my keyster with these leaks!!! - - - Ronald Reagan)
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To: blogblogginaway

'watchdog'??? More like 'attack dog'!!


48 posted on 10/05/2006 11:44:12 PM PDT by bpjam (Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaida - The Religion of Peace)
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To: bpjam

"The only people worse that Foley himself are those who are trying to make political gains from it by protecting a child molester for maximum media damage."

It almost looks as though Rep. Foley was a fool for resigning in the first place - everyone's overlooking him now.


49 posted on 10/05/2006 11:47:00 PM PDT by decal (Building a wall on the border is like treating lung cancer with cough syrup.)
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To: A Citizen Reporter; Cindy; Howlin
Today when Cavuto asked Soros about this, Soros said that he contributes money, but knows nothing about what these groups do.

No, of course he doesn't know a thing, not a thing... like Saddam Hussein, he just delegated his dirty deeds to the dirtiest folks and let them do what came natural for them...

....To the extent that the Shadow Party can be said to have an official launch date, July 17, 2003 probably fits the bill.[10] On that day, a team of political strategists, wealthy donors, leftwing labor leaders and other Democrat activists gathered at Soros’ Southampton beach house on Long Island. Aside from Soros, the most noteworthy attendee was Morton H. Halperin. Soros had hired Halperin in February 2002, to head the Washington office of his tax-exempt Open Society Institute – part of Soros’ global network of Open Society institutes and foundations located in more than 50 countries around the world. Given Halperin’s history, the appointment revealed much about Soros’ political goals.

Halperin has a long and controversial track record in the world of Washington intrigue, dating back to the Johnson Administration. Journalists sympathetic to Halperin’s leftwing sentiments give him high marks for blowing the whistle on the Vietnam War, but his activism helped undermine America’s war effort and contributed to the Communist victory.

 The Johnson Defense Department placed Halperin in charge of compiling a secret history of U.S. involvement in Vietnam, based on classified documents. This secret history later emerged into public view as the so-called “Pentagon Papers.” Halperin and his deputy Leslie Gelb assigned much of the writing to leftwing opponents of the war, such as Daniel Ellsberg who, despite his background as a former Marine and a military analyst for the Rand Corporation, was already evolving into a New Left radical. In his memoir, Secrets, Ellsberg admits to concluding, as early as 1967, that, “we were not fighting on the wrong side; we were the wrong side” in the Vietnam War. [11] Evidently Ellsberg had come to view Ho Chi Minh’s Communist regime as the wave of the future.

With Halperin’s tacit encouragement – and perhaps active collusion – Ellsberg stole the secret history and released  it to The New York Times, which published the documents as “The Pentagon Papers” in June 1971.[12]This was a violation of the Espionage Act, which forbids the removal of classified documents from government buildings. Not surprisingly, “The Pentagon Papers” echoed Halperin’s long-standing position that the Vietnam War was unwinnable, and ridiculed Presidents Kennedy and Johnson for stubbornly refusing to heed those of their advisors who shared this opinion. It marked a turning point in America’s failed effort to keep Indo-China from falling to the Communists. The government dropped its case against Ellsberg as Nixon’s power collapsed during the Watergate intrigues.

Halperin went on to become the director of the American Civil Liberties Union from 1984 to 1992 and head of its "National Security Archives." From this position, he waged open war against U.S. intelligence services, through the courts and the press, seeking to strip the government of virtually any power to investigate, monitor or obstruct subversive elements and their activities.[13] It did not take long for Halperin to go the next logical step and argue for abolishing America’s intelligence  services altogether. “Using secret intelligence agencies to defend a constitutional republic is akin to the ancient medical practice of  employing leeches to take blood from feverish patients. The intent is therapeutic, but in the long run the cure is  more deadly than the disease,” Halperin wrote in his 1976 book, The Lawless State: The Crimes of the U.S. Intelligence  Agencies.[14]

In a March 21, 1987 article in The Nation, Halperin expanded on this theme and, like Ellsberg, took the position that America was the real villain in the Cold War. He wrote, “Secrecy does not serve national security. Covert operations are incompatible with constitutional  government and should be abolished.”[15] This was a call for unilateral disarming of our intelligence services to match the universal disarmament of our military which has long been a staple of the radical agenda.

Evidently, Soros wishes Halperin to continue his war on America’s intelligence services. According to an Open Society Institute press release, one of Halperin’s principal assignments on the Soros team is to battle “post-September 11 policies that threaten the civil liberties of Americans.” [16]
---[16] Andrea Pringle, “George Soros Opens Washington Office: Wants Open Society Institute to Have Added Impact on Policy” (press release), Open Society Institute, Washington DC, 10 June 2002 ....

------- "The Shadow Party: Part I," By David Horowitz and Richard Poe, FrontPageMagazine.com, October 6, 2004


50 posted on 10/05/2006 11:57:36 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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