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FBI's Foley 'assessment' focuses on Istook staffer
Wash Times ^ | 10.06.06

Posted on 10/06/2006 4:53:51 AM PDT by Perdogg

From combined dispatches The FBI's ongoing "assessment" to determine whether disgraced former Florida Rep. Mark Foley violated federal law is focusing, in part, on a 21-year-old former page working on a gubernatorial campaign in Oklahoma. Lawyer Stephen Jones, who represented convicted terrorist Timothy McVeigh, said yesterday that he been retained by the former page, Jordan Edmund, and was "reviewing" the matter.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: edmundjordan; fbi; istook; jordan; oklahoma

1 posted on 10/06/2006 4:53:52 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

It's dead Jim.

The RATS were caught again. This will go away very quickly.


2 posted on 10/06/2006 5:01:13 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Freedom by its nature cannot be imposed, it must be chosen")
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To: RegulatorCountry
Another former congressional page in Atlanta told the Associated Press yesterday that he had received sexually suggestive messages from Mr. Foley in 1997.

Tyson Vivyan's account appears to show the earliest exchange of suggestive messages reported between Mr. Foley and teens who had served in the Capitol page program. Previous accounts placed the earliest contacts in 2003.

IIRC, you had a link showing (a) Tyson Vivyan in Atlanta. Can you post it here again?

3 posted on 10/06/2006 5:05:01 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Perdogg
So let me get this straight - These emails and IM messages were basically a PRANK, a SETUP, gone awry? This is why this little smartass has to hire a lawyer because blackmail may be involved?

It's seems as though there are several layers to this trumped up "scandal"?

4 posted on 10/06/2006 5:06:26 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: wouldntbprudent
Ahhh... the "me too" chorus is amping up. Same thing happened with the RCatholic Priest thing.

And in Richmond, California whenever there was a plant failure, folks from all over the map would show up with their hands out for the green stuff saying "me too, I can't breathe either".

5 posted on 10/06/2006 5:07:18 AM PDT by Alia
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To: wouldntbprudent

Tyson Vivyan is going to be doing the talk show circuit today, with a reported appearance on ABC's Good Morning America. He is another homosexual former page. He was on Neal Boortz' radio program yesterday, and on Chris Krok's radio program last night in Atlanta. He's a jerk, and would never say why he didn't report it until now. Take him with a huge block of salt.


6 posted on 10/06/2006 5:08:14 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Perdogg
Mr. Edmund is a campaign staffer for Oklahoma gubernatorial candidate Ernest Istook, a Republican.

This wasn't a prank.

7 posted on 10/06/2006 5:09:06 AM PDT by Alia
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To: wouldntbprudent
Another former congressional page in Atlanta told the Associated Press yesterday that he had received sexually suggestive messages from Mr. Foley in 1997.

This sounds like a he said, he said situation. I find it hard to believe someone would keep archived IM exchanges for nearly a decade.

8 posted on 10/06/2006 5:09:48 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Perdogg

I hope the FBI goes far beyond Jordan Edmund, and finds out which Democrat operative illegally leaked the private emails and Instant Messages to the press.


9 posted on 10/06/2006 5:09:55 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Perdogg
It's now starting to look like not a prank but a money making book deal for young Jordon Edmund.

Apparently the “prank‚” may lead to more revelations such as a “book deal” that some of pages were hoping to get, a kind of “Capital Hill 90210. What would “sauce” the offer up more than to have a “learing pervert congressman” in the script?

Macsmind

Macsmind provides an message board conversation from 2004 between pages talking about the book deal.
10 posted on 10/06/2006 5:10:10 AM PDT by Republican Red ("There’s God, then there’s the president and then there’s my father.”- 6 yr old Jack Ro)
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To: Perdogg
Also yesterday, several more pages came forward with accounts of purported misconduct by Mr. Foley. ABC News reported that three pages, one each from 1998, 2000 and 2002, described being subject to sexual advances from Mr. Foley over the Internet, sometimes in graphic terms. The network did not name these persons.

RELEASE THEIR NAMES, damnnit -- these are not RAPE (alleged) victims.

Oh oh... right. Feminist mantra: Words equal rape.

11 posted on 10/06/2006 5:12:09 AM PDT by Alia
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To: wouldntbprudent
A local Atlatna talk radio host went on a rant about this fellow Tyson Vivyan. I think he spent three hours ragging on how phony the guy seems to be. All the callers were agreeing with the host. He said his show was contacted to see if they too wanted to interview Tyson. Apparently, young Tyson is a budding Biden or McCain. Show me the Camera!
12 posted on 10/06/2006 5:13:11 AM PDT by Republican Red ("There’s God, then there’s the president and then there’s my father.”- 6 yr old Jack Ro)
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To: Perdogg

this guy has McVeigh's lawyer?

isn't he the lawyer who's computer was hacked by media types revealing privileged conversations?
Wasn't McVeigh convicted and fried in record time?

sounds like a good choice to me...


13 posted on 10/06/2006 5:18:12 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Alia
ABC is using replies to a webform on their site as proof positive of these emails.

Respondents DO NOT have to leave name, phone number, address etc... Any KOS kid can write in with a story and it will not be verified but it will be reported
14 posted on 10/06/2006 5:18:29 AM PDT by Republican Red ("There’s God, then there’s the president and then there’s my father.”- 6 yr old Jack Ro)
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To: Republican Red
ROFL! It's really not funny; but ah.. it's like having the "dead" voting for Democrats. The Quota People (Dems) are really hung up on numbers. ABC will say.. we've received a MILLION EMAILS complaining over former Congressman Foley harassing them, too.

It's the "spurt" headline -- it's all the left wants. The "spurt" amounts to vital blood dripping away out of the organ of truth, spilling out over everyone so they "personalize" being harassed.

Guess their lawyer allied groups are demanding newer cases be "created" by the Dems so the Trial Lawyers Association can be obese and have the funds required of them to ensure Activist Leftists judges get "elected".

15 posted on 10/06/2006 5:23:47 AM PDT by Alia
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To: wouldntbprudent
I just Googled Tyson Vivyan and one of the articles that came up has him quoted as saying that the exchanges were done with IM, although IM was generally invented in 1996, AOL didn't offer it until 1998.

I wonder what service provider he was using?
16 posted on 10/06/2006 5:27:23 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Perdogg

Last night there was some info about the e-mails being forged as well, or at least some of them. I read about it here in FR


17 posted on 10/06/2006 5:27:47 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: sirchtruth

aol ims can be faked by using copy and paste to include even placing someone's screen name on an instant message and then typing anything you want after the name.


18 posted on 10/06/2006 5:32:16 AM PDT by Huevos Rancheros (Support Radio Free Mexico....Cesar Chavez)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Tyson Vivyan interview:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/06/politics/main2070065.shtml


History of IM:
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/instant-messaging1.htm


19 posted on 10/06/2006 5:34:41 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Perdogg
In a statement Wednesday night, Mr. Istook asked the press to leave Mr. Edmund alone, saying, "It was a complete surprise to learn this morning that one victim may be someone I know.

"To every reporter, I request, please have the decency to avoid making things worse for the victims, and just leave them alone. This happened years ago when the victims were minors."


WTF? Jordan Edmund is a victim???
20 posted on 10/06/2006 5:53:13 AM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: Republican Red

I can't find the link, but another freeper found where this guy Vivyan (at least same name) was on the internet having the highest score on a blackjack machine in a bar. Okay. Except it was a gay bar in Atlanta.


21 posted on 10/06/2006 5:55:25 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: wouldntbprudent

I saw that too. Probably in a comment section at Macsmind.


22 posted on 10/06/2006 6:02:19 AM PDT by Republican Red ("Theres God, then theres the president and then there's my father.- 6 yr old Jack Roberts)
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To: Alia

You can be sure that the Congressional Pages who engaged in salacious IM conversations with Foley, whether as pages or later, were either:

(1) gay and did not feel "abused" by Foley or

(2)were guys who well knew the nature of the prank they were involved in and needed no goading from Foley - no matter what their age.

Foley's predeliction for teens is immoral. That does not make every teen he may have been in contact with "moral" or pure as the driven snow. Let's not forget that whether for personal or political reasons some of those involved have had agendas and Foley was a tool in their agendas.

Foely should get whatever he deserves, but many of the pages were not "innocent"; don't put all of them on a pedestal that surely only some of them deserve.


23 posted on 10/06/2006 6:04:29 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Alia
***Ahhh... the "me too" chorus is amping up. Same thing happened with the RCatholic Priest thing. And in Richmond, California whenever there was a plant failure, folks from all over the map would show up with their hands out for the green stuff saying "me too, I can't breathe either".***

Same thing with a Chicago (CTA) Bus accident. Twenty people documented being on the Bus, two hundred lawsuits filed for injuries.

24 posted on 10/06/2006 6:10:57 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Alot" is NOT a word and doesn't mean "many". It is 'a lot', two separate words.)
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To: Wuli
You are right.

However, given my altogether too many years living amid the Brownshirter Mecca of the United States (SF), I saw the emails -- It appears that most in the US do not understand "gay" speak. The linguistic set. There are some wonderfully conservative gays who DO mentor younger gays.

I wouldn't be surprised if Foley weren't trying to woo these young gay men away from the Democrat Party and to the Republican Party.

Again, it appears the MSM is playing dumb, willfully. They know the gay linguistic set PERFECTLY, and are going along with Pelosi to turn everything "Republican" into something which simply hasn't at all been proven out.

Denny Hastart was right to counsel Mr. Foley after the emails. That no matter the "linquistic set" to a special minority group; it might give the appearance of Impropriety.

So, the young buck Dem Gays purposefully set out to set up an aging older "Fag".

You see this stuff all the time in SF.

And, Pelosi knows it.

25 posted on 10/06/2006 6:12:40 AM PDT by Alia
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To: EQAndyBuzz
The RATS were caught again. This will go away very quickly.

You're right, but the damage has already been done. The average "headline reader" understood the initial charge: Foley's a hypocritical GOP sexual predator. It's also been trumpeted (true or not) that the GOP leadership was covering for him.

That's the message that will stick with Joe Average - or worse - I would bet if you asked people to explain what happened many would tell you that Mark Foley was molesting little children in his office while Denny Hastert was standing guard outside.

SO regardless of the outcome of the real story, it's "Mission Accomplished" for the Dark Side to some extent.

26 posted on 10/06/2006 6:13:30 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (This Mess is a Place!!!)
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To: Condor51
lol!

Same thing with a Chicago (CTA) Bus accident. Twenty people documented being on the Bus, two hundred lawsuits fled for injuries

"I saw it; I read about it; therefore it "happened" to me"... lol. Not funny, but, yep.

27 posted on 10/06/2006 6:14:40 AM PDT by Alia
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To: EQAndyBuzz

It's going to backfire on the Rats


28 posted on 10/06/2006 6:14:54 AM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: Republican Red

If so, it would be tempting to flood it with thousands of emails...

I can see it now. "ABC News has learned Foley molested over 20,000 pages last year alone!"


29 posted on 10/06/2006 6:18:07 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: All

You had better all stop using instant messaging, or you might catch deadly diseases


30 posted on 10/06/2006 6:21:42 AM PDT by Kaslin (No matter what the left says. G.W. Bush will be remembered as the best president of this century)
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To: Mr Rogers

I would assume that with the FBI now involved, fake claims are going to be handled seriously. I would love to see fake claims outed to the public.


31 posted on 10/06/2006 6:23:57 AM PDT by Republican Red ("Theres God, then theres the president and then there's my father.- 6 yr old Jack Roberts)
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To: Alia
I don't know about that, so far Istook's campaign has been a prank, worst campaign ever. We have all been wondering why a bunch of (strange) California boys were running a campaign in Oklahoma. So far they've managed to insult us by portraying the citizens of OK as hicks. It's almost like a deliberate thing....but that couldn't be, could it?
32 posted on 10/06/2006 6:39:39 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: pepperdog

Istook should not have made his statements yesterday. Pretty typical though. Talking before he has a clue. And yeah you're right.... the worst run campaign or governor that I remember.


33 posted on 10/06/2006 6:44:09 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: HEY4QDEMS; MOgirl; Republican Red
That is a good point H4QD. hope someone follows up on that.

Ping for more tibits of info.

34 posted on 10/06/2006 6:46:11 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Even The Nicest Pug Has An Evil Twin)
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To: pepperdog
Yes, it could. Howard Dean made it clear, last year, I think, that hub of ops would be out of California. Dem plans were to immediately seize control of the 7 states surrounding CA (Arnold blew that for them); But Dean and his allies have made invading the "RED States" their priority in their campaigns. The Dems have taken their temperatures of "what's important" to Red States.

Since I've moved here from CA, I've heard, ad nauseum, from NC natives -- why would you move HERE? "We all wanna live in celebrity land!".

I see the Dem Game plan.

And over the past two years, allies in the MSM presses have regularly published articles about the "backwardness" of the Southern States (as though holding nearly Bankrupt, Educationally bereft, Man-Boy Child Association California as the "uber" model of Utopia).

Why, in your opinion, did Istook hire "Californian's" to run his campaign? Any sense on this? Jordan, grad of UC Berkeley. It's about "linguistics". That's what Dems are up to. Using and promoting a newer vocabular set which will add a "zing" to the "hicks" and make them feel envious, so they'll come on board the Democrat Mothership.

Dems see Guv Arnold's platform and positioning, think they can take him and the Red States too.

Problem is, Dems have ONLY taken a superficial reading of both Guv Arnold and the Red States.

This could get fun.

35 posted on 10/06/2006 6:52:33 AM PDT by Alia
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The Rats and MSM want this to fade away pretty quickly but I want it to stay out there for a while longer just to show how dumb of an "October Surprise" this whole thing turned out to be.


36 posted on 10/06/2006 6:56:27 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Admin Moderator

In my post, above, I used the "fag" word and in quotes. This word is from the linguistic set used very commonly in San Francisco by younger gays referring to older gays. Am I abusing FR rules by posting that word here? (I don't like the word any more than I've always disliked the "N***er" "Sp**" or "C***" words; so I've never used them in any form of vocabulary except educational). But If I have abused FR rules, please delete my above post.


37 posted on 10/06/2006 7:07:14 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

So, the young buck Dem Gays purposefully set out to set up an aging older "Fag".

Interesting!
So Foley's gone now. But, still, the real story is the 'blackmail' threat still over the heads of the 20 other congresspersons.
That's the real subversion of our system.


38 posted on 10/06/2006 7:09:09 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: wouldntbprudent

http://www.misslaurensblackjack.com/burkharts.htm

This "Miss Lauren's Blackjack" appears to cater exclusively to gay bars. Tyson Vivyan is listed as a high scorer in a list from 2004 on the site, at Burkhart's Pub, an Atlanta gay bar. I can't imagine that there are too many individuals with such a unique name, and "the" Tyson Vivyan is now known to reside in Atlanta. There is also a dealer named Tyson on the site, but with no photo, unlike the other dealers.

At the time of my web search for the name, there were no hits at all on Google; I went to Dogpile and found the one hit to "misslaurensblackjack.com" by putting the name in without quotes. Don't you think it odd, that a former Congressional page would have so few hits in a web search? I think he was "wiped" prior to his appearance on O'Reilly, and they missed "Vivyan, Tyson." There are more hits now, from all the appearances he has made. But, two nights ago, that was not the case.


39 posted on 10/06/2006 7:11:36 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Alia
Why, in your opinion, did Istook hire "Californian's" to run his campaign?

Wish I knew. I'm not the most "in" on this stuff, but there is a freeper who knows a lot about about it. Personally I am beginning to think Istook has been torpedoed and doesn't even know it. No one it their right mind would bring a bunch of Berkley grads (and both the campaign manager and assistant manager are from Berkley) and expect them to read Oklahoma politics. And they have done exactly what one would expect, they don't have a clue (or is that deliberate?). I thought Largent ran the worst campaign I ever saw, but this one brings incompetence to a new high.
40 posted on 10/06/2006 7:12:45 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: Alia
In my post, above, I used the "fag" word and in quotes. This word is from the linguistic set used very commonly in San Francisco by younger gays referring to older gays. Am I abusing FR rules by posting that word here? (I don't like the word any more than I've always disliked the "N***er" "Sp**" or "C***" words; so I've never used them in any form of vocabulary except educational). But If I have abused FR rules, please delete my above post.

No, you have not. Don't forget, the queers had the program, queer eye for the straight guy. And remember, it's ok for a demonRAT KKK grand klegle and senator of West Virginia to say "white nigger" twice on TV with no backlash, but Trent Lott loses his leadership position in the senate because he lauds an old man during his 100th birthday party. No double standard there.

41 posted on 10/06/2006 7:54:24 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thanks. I have been bringing your find up here and there on threads as appropriate. It's just an interesting point in all this.

Also, did you see the info yesterday that the-then Clerk of the House, who was the administrator of the entire page program, and who supposedly is one of the guys who went to Foley and told him to knock it off is an out gay man? His name is Jeff Trandahl.


42 posted on 10/06/2006 9:23:54 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Alia; pepperdog

Someday yesterday posted a link to a bio on the House page site. The person had worked for Istook and there was some connection to Jordan Edmund. So maybe it was just a case of somebody knowing someone and recommending them for a job.


43 posted on 10/06/2006 9:26:55 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Republican Red

Please see #39 for the link.


44 posted on 10/06/2006 9:33:42 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: wouldntbprudent

Could be. Thank you.


45 posted on 10/06/2006 9:58:55 AM PDT by Alia
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To: USS Alaska

I understand what you mean, fully. Just wanna make sure I'm treating someone else's domain with respect. It's out of respect for Jim Robinson -- not the PC crowds.


46 posted on 10/06/2006 10:05:07 AM PDT by Alia
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To: pepperdog

Hmmm. Your very words have perked my interest. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.


47 posted on 10/06/2006 10:07:20 AM PDT by Alia
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To: griswold3
That's the real subversion of our system.

You are absolutely right. And it was the real purpose of the October Surprise by the Dems.

48 posted on 10/06/2006 10:08:34 AM PDT by Alia
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