Skip to comments.Why We Hate Them
Posted on 10/06/2006 10:47:10 AM PDT by Miami Vice
There are some Americans who opposed the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. They consistently opposed any military action we take against Islamists, Taliban, Baathists, Hezbollah, Hamas, and other similar groups - and those who harbor them.
They would rather blame our foreign policy for the ills of the world. Some have even gone so far as to claim we are responsible for what occurred on 9/11. One question they ask is, why do the Islamists hate us?
What they (and we) should be asking is why should we hate them? We have plenty of reasons.
First, the Islamists are ingrates:
Our military protected Muslims in Lebanon in 1982 and 1983. How were we repaid? Hezbollah killed 243 Marines, who were part of a peacekeeping force. The same Hezbollah that Democratic Congressman John Dingell recently said he was not for or against. (By the way, does anyone think it interesting that Pennsylvania Congresswoman Allyson Schwartz did not denounce Dingell?)
We protected Muslims in Kuwait in 1991.
We protected Muslims in Bosnia in 1995.
We protected Muslims in Kosovo in 1999.
Yet somehow, Islamists want people to believe we are the "Great Satan"?
The second reason we should hate the Islamists is because they want to annihilate us. They want to obliterate the United States of America and everything for which it stands - to quote a phrase. They say we prevent them from annihilating Israel and prevent the imposition of an Islamic theocracy in Arab countries and the rest of the world.
This is evinced by three documents.
One is the ( Go to the website http://www.theeveningbulletin.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17293215&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=6 once again I was unable to post the whole article
I just want them all to disappear from the face of the earth, without a trace.
Because we support Israel. It's that simple.
If Israel did not exist, they would still hate us. It's much simpler to blame everyone else for your problems rather than deal with them on your own. It's easier for many governments in the Arab world to blame the infidel for their incompetence than it is for them to actually fix matters or take the blame.
I'm not "blaming" Israel. I'm saying they hate Israel and all her friends. I've no doubt they'd come up with other reasons, but THAT is #1. (IMO)
**One question they ask is, why do the Islamists hate us? **
They dont only hate us. They hate each other. Its a religion(cult) of hate. They arent happy if someone isnt dying , getting stoned, getting their hands cut off, They throw people in mulchers and use a decibel meter to see how loud they can scream.
No they dont hate us any worse than they hate each other.
You are naive. The Muslims have hated infidels for 1,500 years. Israel was not in existence for most of that time.
The Muslims also hated Byzantium and the Eastern Roman Empire. They took care of that many years ago.
The Muslims also hate Rome, and Muhammed, who predicted the fall of Byzantium, also predicted the fall of Rome to Islam.
The Muslims also hate America. Even if Israel had never existed, they would hate America, because we are the infidel enemy, the crusaders, and we put them to shame merely by existing.
What you said about them hating America is what I'm saying. No need to try and get all "superior". I'm not impressed.
GREAT POST, INFO.
Sure, I hate islamofascists. They're an evil scourge on the face of the planet that needs to be eliminated. Who doesn't hate them?
The people that I hate much more, that's who.
I am. I just think that the fact that we are Israel's #1 supporter irks them more than anything else.
Yes, but the question wasn't "Why does OBL hate us?", it was "Why do the Islamists hate us?". They have many reason, and as I said before, IMO the #1 reason that irks them most is our support of Israel. You're welcome to disagree.
The word hate has become epithetic in the past thirty years as it has been indiscriminately used to replace such common-sense terms as distrust, disgust, aversion, repulsion, caution, etc. until it has been turned into a defensive word which only has approbation when used to describe one's critics.
The political debate as all debate, depends on terms and he who defines the terms has the upper hand in the debate.
It is time to resurrect the old-fashioned term revile instead for it, at least, requires a bit of thought before it spurts forth from the mouth unbidden or with malice.
I don't hate them either. But I'd sure like them a lot more if they were all dead.
Hate has been turned into a four letter word, lost its true meaning and is now the hidey-hole of the bad guys and the scuzzos.
The history of the world is full of bloodshed, plunder, rape, and tyranny. It is not pretty, but it is how we got to where we are today. The prosperity and freedom of western civilization and other modern nations is not the natural order of things. It had to be fought for over hundreds of years. Some civilizations are farther behind in this struggle - much farther. It is due in large part to the built-in flaws of their religions, cults, institutions, et cetera. We cannot ignore those built-in flaws and assume that we can bequeath freedom and prosperity upon a people if we have enough money, love, and understanding. In order to believe in something a people must fight it out.
I am bothered by the steady stream of reports of dead Coalition Soldiers in Iraq. I am NOT bothered by sectarain violence in those countries, ie Sunni vs Shia, Taliban vs Afghan, et cetera. The strategy being pursued by our military leaders is a sound one (though I question the effectiveness and efficiency of those whom they task to implement it). We should be content to reduce the carnage wrought upon Coalition Soldiers and to let the Iraqi people take charge of their destiny, with the forces whom we deem most advantageous to our interests being the ones whom we work to give the greatest support to: the liberal, secular moderates. We must not be duped into believing that the violence in the mideast is our fault or that we are exacerbating the violence. We merely removed the check upon the peoples' impulses. No amount of money, love, or understanding will miraculously bring harmony.
We have recognized the danger of a people, nation, or civilization that remains mired in the dark ages while the rest of the globalized world catapults itself into whatever lies beyond the information age and we have seen the need to be a catalyst to effect the necessary societal and civilizational change to drag the barbarians into the modern world. Now those peoples will have it out, just as our civilization did for hundreds of years.
Whether they hate us or why they hate us or whether we hate them or why is of little importance. Until the barbarians are dragged into the 21st century and their radical fundamentalist elements destroyed, the entire Arab/Muslim world will be a threat to the rest of civilization. It is our responsibility to either destroy them or be a catalyst for their change. The former may be preferable, but it will never happen, so we must focus upon the latter.
Thanks. Will try and remember that when I get home tonight.
You are falling in with the Communist-Muslim explanation by blaming it on Israel as the #1 problem. Sure, that's one reason they hate us, but it's not the major reason. They just find it a useful propaganda tool to pretend that it is. If they managed to annihilate Israel, it wouldn't make a pin's worth of difference. They'd still hate us.
Kill them all and let G_d sort them out
Say what you will about Pres Bush and/or the Iraq war, but he has been killing Muslims at a rapid rate. Shoot me if you want to, but I think that is a good thing.
I don't think Ivan was saying you were blaming Israel, I think he meant the Muslims were blaming Israel. I guess I shouldn't speak for him, but I read his post to you that way.
> The word hate has become epithetic in the past thirty years as it has been indiscriminately used to replace such common-sense terms as distrust, disgust, aversion, repulsion, caution, etc. until it has been turned into a defensive word which only has approbation when used to describe one's critics.
HATE is an ugly term that is over-used and thus loses effect as a result. HATE digs at the very basest, the lowest of human emotion: it should be reserved for the very, very few rather than applied generally.
Ours is a childish society that "hates" too frequently and too easily, yet fails to HATE the hateful things often enough, consistently enough, passionately enough.
(People "hate" broccoli, fer Petessake!)
People should require a license to HATE. Because most folk do not fully know what HATE means or what it entails. As such it is a dangerous substance not for general-purpose use.
Note 1: 'Because we support Israel' is bogus - they see Israel as a western/european construct, that's sufficient to earn their hatred:
if Zionism had been a Lutheran movement, they'd hate it only somewhat less.
Note 2: only somewhat does not equate the two, it only means that the conflict would not go away.
Of course, I'd prefer it if God would smack them. Then they'd have to be mad at God.
Nice anti-Protestant slur.
BTW, at what point did this discussion morph from "Islamists" to "Muslims"? The article is referring to Islamists.
Sorry Dentist, but I do disagree.
The muslims hate Israel because Israel is a Western society: it is reasonable, egalitarian, democratic, creative, and industrious. It extends it's protections to all people within its borders, regardless of creed, etc. Our legal system leaves moral questions alone, believing that unless physical harm is done to an innocent, justice in this realm should be intrusted to God.
Israel is despised because it is civilized. The muslims are at war with civilization.
Sorry. I thought this was about the Yankees.
Why we shouldn't care.
Eliminate Muslims so I can have a beer.
I thought it was about Democrats.
I don't hate 'em, I just realize that the only way for me and mine (and billions of others) to be safe is for every Islamofascist head to be on a pole for the buzzards to peck clean.
To some extent, the phenonmenon is is a function of reduction and polarization where complex terms are taken at their simplest level and bounced off one another until we see separate sets on opposite sides of the court.
Tradition is set in the foundation of experience while tolerance and equivocation rests on the shifting sands of the never level playing field.
Wrong islam will never be dominant in America, nor will the quran be the highest authority in America. Nor will it be excepted. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.....I WILL NEVER CONVERT TO ISLAM, NOR BECOME A MUSLIM......EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!