Posted on 10/06/2006 3:04:11 PM PDT by fishtank
There is a lot of subjective judgement in a war zone. I would tend to believe our boys before I accepted the word of the unreliable, faceless enemy. Their job was NOT to kidnap and kill, of course.
Who believes that?
So that means it's perfectly OK to grab civilians, kill them, and then plant evidence in an attempt to indicate that he was planting an IED?
I would tend to believe our boys before I accepted the word of the unreliable, faceless enemy.
They aren't being tried on the word of an unreliable, faceless enemy. They're being charged by the very same U.S. military.
Apparently, the guy I was replying to. He's saying that these guys were just doing their job, that's all.
If you're in a war zone ( and i've never been) and the crap hits the fan, what would you do?
You're damned if you 'do' and dead if you 'don't'.
Savage, " you don't have to give up women to enjoy mashed potatoes".
It's been a long week.
LOL...I'll be looking forward to hearing how that comment came up in the conversation!
There is a lot of killing in a war zone. If we trained our military to ask questions and then shoot (if you have permission and bullets), we would not last very long. There are probably not only a few instances where instinctive actions had undesireable consequences. I frankly do not believe that our soldiers believe that it is okay to grab civilians, kill them and then plant evidence. I do believe that we have Clintonista operatives in the military, or too many officers who believe in patent leather rather than Patton. Half of our congress want to cut and run; maybe some of our active military are worrying about their futures if the Democrats take over. So to CYA, especially with the Murtha's of the world in position to take over, we have a lack of intestional fortitude in connection with marginal action by our enlisted men.
It's the old, 'what do you marry for, sex or food?',line.
I have been in a war zone. I know a lot of folks who've been in a war zone. None of them thought that kidnapping a civilian they didn't know from Adam, shooting him, and then planting a rifle and a shovel to make it look as if he was planting an IED was a good idea.
Did you hear Weiner call Tony Snow "Snowjob",called him a liar and a buffoon???? Weiner is one sick whacko, IMHO.
His ratings are going down the tubes after all the stuff I heard that he said this week.
I agree with you pale...that dude was probably just a tea brewer or camel breeder. No way our Marines kill some guy just minding his own business. I think that we should see if Al Jazeera has some info on this as they are in the region and know these people better than we do. And I am willing to bet that all of those IED's are actually just unexploded bombs that we dropped on helpless civilians and when we run over them, they explode. And those guys cutting off heads...? BS! I heard it was all fake, recorded in the same studio where they faked the moon landing.
True.
If we trained our military to ask questions and then shoot (if you have permission and bullets), we would not last very long.
So, instead, we're supposed to train them to abduct random civilians, kill them, and plant an AK-47 and a shovel to make it look as if the civilian was planing an IED.
I'm not quite following you. What is the benefit of doing all that?
There are probably not only a few instances where instinctive actions had undesireable consequences.
I wasn't aware that abducting random civilians, killing them, and planting an AK-47 and a shovel to make it look as if the civilian was setting an IED was "instinctive."
I frankly do not believe that our soldiers believe that it is okay to grab civilians, kill them and then plant evidence.
They don't, which is why these guys are going to go to trial as opposed to being awarded a medal.
So to CYA, especially with the Murtha's of the world in position to take over, we have a lack of intestional fortitude in connection with marginal action by our enlisted men.
You're saying that abducting random civilians, killing them, and planting an AK-47 and a shovel to make it look as if the civilian was setting an IED is a "marginal action?"
Your moral compass needs some heavy-duty recalibration.
I think that's the whole point. That's why this story doesn't seem to make sense. I still give Savage credit for supporting the troops through thick and thin. If their story doesn't hold up, then perhaps there was some duplicity invovled.
The vast majority don't. Apparently, these guys did.
To expect moral perfection from an organization of about 150,000 people is kind of silly.
Please somebody tell me what's happening. Pendleton 8, lawyers, betrayal. What happened?
Similar stuff happened very occasionally in Vietnam. It was dealt with. I am surprised at how rarely things like this have happened.
I still give Savage credit for supporting the troops through thick and thin. If their story doesn't hold up, then perhaps there was some duplicity invovled.
How do you think they got caught?
Dead Iraqi . . . check. AK-47 . . . check. Shovel to bury IED . . . check.
They forgot to bring one thing.
One of the Pendleton 8 accepted a plea agreement. Savage is going batsh*t over it.
Thanks
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