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Greek divers lift WWII bomber wreckage - German Junkers-87 Stuka dive-bomber
AP on Yahoo ^ | 10/6/06 | Nicholas Paphitiis - ap

Posted on 10/06/2006 6:42:29 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

ATHENS, Greece - Greek military divers Friday successfully raised the wreckage of a German World War II Stuka bomber from the sea off the eastern island of Rhodes, the air force said.

The Junkers-87 dive-bomber was shot down in 1943 and will be conserved and displayed at the air force museum at an airport near Athens, air force spokesman Col. Ioannis Papageorgiou said.

Papageorgiou said there was no trace of the two airmen's bodies.

"The plane was raised a couple of hours ago, and I don't know yet whether there are any remains inside," he told The Associated Press.

He said part of the plane's tail section appeared to be missing.

The two-seater's wreckage was located two years ago by a trawler, which caught it in its nets seven miles offshore at a depth of 492 feet, and dragged it close to the island's southern coast.

Air force experts believe the plane was part of a Luftwaffe squadron operating from Rhodes that lost several Stukas to allied ships and aircraft on Oct. 9, 1943.

"Once we locate the serial number, we will be able to identify the plane, what squadron it belonged to and the crew," Papageorgiou said.

Fitted with a screaming siren for maximum psychological effect, the gull-winged, single-engine Stuka was a feared symbol of Nazi military power.

Used in action in the Spanish Civil War, it played a major role in the German invasions of Poland and France, but was outdated and severely outgunned by allied fighters by 1943.

Out of some 6,000 aircraft produced between 1936 and 1944, only two survive intact in museums, while the wrecks of three more Stukas have been salvaged.


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A German dive bomber Ju 87 Stuka flies over an unknown location in this November 1, 1940 file photo taken during World War II. Greek military divers Friday successfully raised the wreckage of a German World War II Stuka bomber from the sea off the eastern island of Rhodes, the air force said. (AP Photo)


1 posted on 10/06/2006 6:42:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Why would they need 2 crew members. Did the guy in the back seat hold a pistol to the head of the pilot?


2 posted on 10/06/2006 6:47:44 PM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: tubebender

he was a tailgunner, look at the photo.


3 posted on 10/06/2006 6:48:26 PM PDT by omega4179 (Islam 14 Centuries of Jihad and counting./'Rats want to turn clock back to 2000)
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To: tubebender
One to crank the siren, one to fly. :-)

whole bunch of pics at luftwaffepics.com

4 posted on 10/06/2006 6:53:41 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: tubebender

The Russians had a similar aircraft with one pilot -- the Il-2 Sturmovik. Early in the war, it was good for one mission, two at most because there was no rear gunner and the Germans slaughtered them. The Russians quickly added a rear gunner to the Sturmovik.


5 posted on 10/06/2006 6:54:43 PM PDT by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: NormsRevenge

By far the most successful Stuka pilot was Hans-Ulrich Rudel. He flew 2,530 combat missions (not all in Stukas, though), destroyed 519 tanks, 7 landing craft, 150 self-propelled guns, 4 armored trains and 800 other vehicles. Shot down or force-landed 32 times, wounded five times and finally lost the lower part of one leg, but continued to fly until the end when he flew to an American air base and surrendered. Fortunately for us, all or most of this destruction fell upon Russian forces, resulting in Rudel having a 100,000 ruble reward placed on his head by Stalin.


6 posted on 10/06/2006 7:03:43 PM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: NormsRevenge

One the most recognizable profiles in the history of flight....and one of the most intimidating for it's time.


7 posted on 10/06/2006 7:04:04 PM PDT by zarf
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To: 19th LA Inf

for the forum:

Stuka Pilot (War and Warrior)
by Hans-Ulrich Rudel

http://www.amazon.com/Stuka-Pilot-Warrior-Hans-Ulrich-Rudel/dp/0939482045/sr=1-4/qid=1160186806/ref=sr_1_4/002-2346146-6554425?ie=UTF8&s=books


8 posted on 10/06/2006 7:09:13 PM PDT by VOA
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To: 19th LA Inf
By far the most successful Stuka pilot was Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

He also was consulted when the A-10 Warthog was under development.

An ardent Nazi by the way...

9 posted on 10/06/2006 7:10:32 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: NormsRevenge; All
My brother's flying career was interrupted by the Lufwaffle over Weisbaden Germany on Aug 15 1944. He survived and is alive and well in Fresno CA...
10 posted on 10/06/2006 7:11:31 PM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: 19th LA Inf

I guess he did his part.


11 posted on 10/06/2006 7:41:18 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: omega4179
he was a tailgunner, look at the photo.

I wonder how often the tailgunner shot up the tail...
12 posted on 10/06/2006 7:46:29 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I had a gas engine flying model of this plane when I was a kid. Had the Cox 0.49 engine and dropped a bomb by lanyard control. It was wa-a-a-ay cool in the late '60's. It would not have been in 1939.


13 posted on 10/06/2006 7:57:58 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: 19th LA Inf
"By far the most successful Stuka pilot was Hans-Ulrich Rudel."

His book "Stuka Pilot" (oddly enough!) was a great read!
That and a couple other such, including "Commando" made me realize there were some true heroes on the other side, too.

(On the Japanese side, now, well, let's just say we didn't ang near enough war criminals)

14 posted on 10/06/2006 8:03:57 PM PDT by Redbob
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To: All

Does anybody know what Stuka means? Some sort of hawk perhaps, it looks like one.

Also, I wonder how the Stuka compares to other dive bombers, say the US Navy SBD. Both had tail gunners. Which was the best WW2 dive bomber?


15 posted on 10/06/2006 8:11:45 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: 19th LA Inf

I read Rudel's book years ago. He was an amazing man.

What I remember most was when he landed on the muddy Russian steppe to rescue a shot-down comrade and couldn't take off again because of the mud clogging up his wheel pants. He, his gunner and friends got chased by the Russian army for miles, had to shed his clothes and swim the Dneiper river (this was wintertime!) Because of his superb conditioning, he made it across whereas his comrades drowned. Finally, after several days of dodging Russian patrols looking for him, Rudel made it back to German lines.

A great read for any WWII nut.


16 posted on 10/06/2006 8:19:45 PM PDT by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
I had a gas engine flying model of this plane when I was a kid. Had the Cox 0.49 engine

Me too! I think I broke it just playing with it though.

17 posted on 10/06/2006 8:21:16 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Be a good Democrat and turn the lights out as you leave the ME)
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To: NormsRevenge

It doesn't seem like there would be much left of the aircraft unless it was in fresh water or very deep in the ocean.


18 posted on 10/06/2006 8:24:09 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: NormsRevenge
The Luftwaffe had its own ministry in the early years of the Third Reich and came into existence formally in 1935 when the Treaty Of Versailles that prohibited a German Air Force was formally scrapped. The Polish Campaign in 1939 saw the first true test of air power, something only hinted at the close of World War I. The Battle Of Britain in 1940 revealed its military limits just as the experience in Poland showed its possibilities as the military weapon of the future.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

19 posted on 10/06/2006 8:28:10 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: sasportas
"Stuka" is from Sturzkampfflugzeug.

Essentially, German for "dive bomber".

20 posted on 10/06/2006 8:28:47 PM PDT by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I had one of those too, it was black plastic. My Brother had the "Flying Tiger" model, but he crashed it into a telephone pole. Next time I'm back in Jersey I'll have to check and see if my Mom still has it in the garage. No radio controlled stuff back in those days. I used to always have trouble getting the engine to start!! Semper Fidelis.


21 posted on 10/06/2006 8:29:53 PM PDT by MCFujiTanker (Eagle, Globe and Anchor, Marine Corps Tanker!!)
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To: sasportas

http://members.fortunecity.com/stg77/stukadev.htm


22 posted on 10/06/2006 8:30:27 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Zman516
They made a screeching noise during the Polish Campaign that added to their reputation. It was unforgettable to anyone who witnessed it. They'd hear the sound before the plane closed in on its target for the kill.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

23 posted on 10/06/2006 8:32:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

I remember hearing their dreadful screams. They were terrible, out-of-date aircraft, but were they terrifying!


24 posted on 10/06/2006 8:38:49 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: goldstategop

It was a siren mounted on (I think) the wheel strut, controlled by the pilot when they started their dive.

I have to laugh when I watch movies, archive film, etc. with any airplane diving. They all go into the obligatory "Stuka siren scream".


25 posted on 10/06/2006 8:41:38 PM PDT by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: 19th LA Inf
Rudel also sunk a battleship [in Lake Ilmen] and was the only holder of the highest degree of the Knight's Cross with swords, oak leaves and diamonds. He flew Me 262s at the end of the war.
26 posted on 10/06/2006 8:50:00 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: sasportas

It's short for Sturtzkampfflugzeug - which I presume means dive bomber. Kind of like Gestapo is short for Geheime Staats Polizei - secret state police.


27 posted on 10/06/2006 8:52:50 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: 19th LA Inf

Rudel also sank a Russian battleship with one well-placed bomb.


28 posted on 10/06/2006 8:53:37 PM PDT by travlnmn41
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To: goldstategop
They had sirens on the wheel wells. The crew called them the "trumpets of Jericho". They were one of Udet's ideas. He was the guy who bought two Curtiss dive bombers in the U.S, and showed what they could do in Germany in a demonstration for Goering, et al. That demonstration led to the development of the Stuka and the dive bomber craze in the Luftwaffe. A lot of good aircraft either never made it into service, or were delayed because of Hitler's and Goering's insistence they be able to dive.
29 posted on 10/06/2006 8:57:51 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: omega4179

Also was the radio operator.


30 posted on 10/06/2006 8:58:32 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: zarf

It's the symbol for WW II.


31 posted on 10/06/2006 8:59:13 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: 19th LA Inf

dont forget the russian battleship that he is credited with sinking.


32 posted on 10/06/2006 9:47:31 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: sasportas

The SBD of course!Faster and a little heavier bomb load. Ask the japanese navy which was better oh wait you cant,they are on the bottom of the pacific.


33 posted on 10/06/2006 9:52:24 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: imahawk

Ask the Poles, the French Army at Sedan, the British Navy at Crete, and just about anybody in the Soviet Army. They'll disagree.


34 posted on 10/06/2006 10:04:11 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

didnt turn the war around like the dauntless did in the battle of midway.


35 posted on 10/06/2006 10:08:01 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: imahawk
What turned the Battle of Midway around were the torpedo planes that got the Zeros down on the deck before the dive bombers showed up [along with Nagumo's stupidity.

Richtofen's Stukas enabled the German breakthrough on the Meuse, and the fall of France. They enabled the Germans to take Crete.And what they did to Poland and Russia contributed to the destruction of the army of the former, and the near successful conquest of the second. And, with other Luftwaffe units, there's Norway to consider.
36 posted on 10/06/2006 10:14:28 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: tubebender

Tailgunner, as already pointed out, and radio operator.


37 posted on 10/07/2006 12:39:47 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: tubebender

Take a look at the picture. He was the tail gunner.


38 posted on 10/07/2006 5:22:20 AM PDT by libstripper (!!)
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To: 19th LA Inf

He also sank a battleship, two cruisers and a destroyer. He was shot down or force-landed 32 times (several times behind enemy lines), always somehow managing to escape capture despite Stalin himself putting a 100,000 rouble bounty on his head. He was also wounded five times and rescued six stranded aircrew from enemy territory. The vast majority of his missions were spent piloting the various models of the Junkers Ju 87, though by the end of the war he was flying the ground-attack variant of the Fw 190. (wiki)


39 posted on 10/07/2006 6:14:57 AM PDT by omega4179 (Islam 14 Centuries of Jihad and counting It is not about Israel.)
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To: MCFujiTanker; VeniVidiVici

Check this: http://www.p4a.com/item_images/medium/11/32/47-01.jpg


40 posted on 10/07/2006 3:45:23 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I bought a 2nd hand Cox Stuka at a church bazzar sale for $5.00 when I was 12. It made one flight. Vertical landings are tough on any plane.


41 posted on 10/07/2006 3:52:39 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: WorkingClassFilth

lol! I may have to start looking on EBay.


42 posted on 10/07/2006 4:04:05 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God we trust. All others we monitor.)
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To: PzLdr
He flew Me 262s at the end of the war.

I think you are mistaken. Rudel flew Stukas until the very end. Adolph Galland flew ME-262's at the war's end.

43 posted on 12/02/2006 3:46:38 PM PST by fso301
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To: tubebender

Radio operator/tailgunner


44 posted on 12/02/2006 10:41:11 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: 19th LA Inf

Rudel flew Me 262s at the end of the war. Only holder of the highest grade of Knight's Cross. Sunk a Russian Battleship in either Lake Ilmen or Lake Ladoga. Flew a Stuka with two 37 mm cannons mounted when he was a tankbuster.


45 posted on 12/02/2006 10:43:44 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: sasportas

STUKA is an abbreviation for STURTZKAMPFLUGZEUG- German for dive bomber


46 posted on 12/02/2006 10:45:51 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: 19th LA Inf

wow!


47 posted on 12/02/2006 10:45:52 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I crashed mine on its first dive.


48 posted on 12/02/2006 10:46:28 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: goldstategop

The screech was from sirens attached to the wheel struts. The Germans called them "Jericho's trumpets". they were Udet's idea.


49 posted on 12/02/2006 10:48:18 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

LOL! Me too! After I learned the pt 19 control line trianer.


50 posted on 12/02/2006 10:53:17 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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