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FIRST-PERSON: Putting a stop to Internet gambling
sbcbaptistpress.org ^ | October 6, 2006 | Bill Frist

Posted on 10/06/2006 10:08:53 PM PDT by balch3

WASHINGTON (BP)--Before it wrapped up business in late September, Congress passed an important new law to make it easier to crack down on illegal Internet gambling. I believe that America needs this law because Internet gambling presents a serious and growing problem that existing laws don’t address. The new law passed because members of the pro-family movement -- including a great many Southern Baptists -- brought the issue to the attention of both Democrats and Republicans.

Internet gambling has grown out of control. Although four major federal laws and hundreds of state policies already make it illegal to gamble on the Internet, enforcement has proven almost impossible. Since all significant gambling websites operate outside of the United States, they lie beyond the reach of federal or state regulators.

This hurts families. Although Internet gambling did not have a prominent place on either party’s radar screen just a few years ago, its explosive growth and potential for damaging families made it a very important issue to me and many others in Congress.

In fact, online casino websites have the potential to turn every personal computer in the country into a miniature version of the Las Vegas Strip. Rigorous state enforcement means that brick and mortar casinos make a good faith effort to keep minors away from gambling. The same isn’t so for online casinos: A website can’t tell whether someone is 13 or 35. The existence of Internet gambling, moreover, makes a mockery of laws in states that forbid all gambling. Experts who testified before Congress agreed social trouble has increased as a result: People who gamble online are almost twice as likely to become problem gamblers as those who gamble in other places. Problem gambling destroys lives and families.

The new law, which President Bush will sign this month, makes it much more difficult to send money to Internet gambling sites. Internet casinos that want to accept credit cards, Internet bank transfers, or any other illegal gambling payments will find themselves blocked. It’s important that people in the pro-family movement remain vigilant to be sure that the regulations implementing this law accomplish all that Congress intended. The government also will be able to ensure that website operators don’t provide links to gambling websites. Finally, anybody who violates the Internet gambling law can have all gambling licenses revoked: Thus, any land or river-based casino operator that opens a gambling website could see all of its casinos shut down.

Some believe that Congress should have gone even further in amending and strengthening current laws, but the enforcement tools provided by this legislation are an essential step towards ensuring that we uphold the current law and punish those who break it.

We already have evidence that the law will work. Although the president has not yet signed the bill, shares in the United Kingdom’s largest online gambling companies have dropped more than 50 percent on the news of Congress’ action. At least one major online casino has decided to pull out of the U.S. market altogether and others likely will follow suit. Internet casinos, which made a fortune violating existing laws, bet against Congress taking them on. Thanks to citizens concerned about America’s families, their bets didn’t pay off. --30-- Sen. Bill Frist, R.-Tenn., is majority leader of the U.S. Sena


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KEYWORDS: frist; gambling; handsoffmyinternet; internet; nannystate
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Bravo Senator Frist.
1 posted on 10/06/2006 10:08:55 PM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3

You bet!


2 posted on 10/06/2006 10:14:26 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: balch3

Nanny-Statism at its finest. Frist is no conservative.


3 posted on 10/06/2006 10:16:19 PM PDT by kms61
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To: balch3
I believe that America needs this law because Internet gambling presents a serious and growing problem that existing laws don’t address.

The growing problem must be it's taking away from Tennessee lottery sales.

4 posted on 10/06/2006 10:18:34 PM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: balch3

Nanny-Statism at its finest. Frist is no conservative.


5 posted on 10/06/2006 10:21:02 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
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To: balch3
This new law is garbage....the phony left pushes its "virtue" on me....now the phony "religious" right pushing their virtue on me (when they aren't playing with little boys...) Leave me alone...if I want to bet on a game, let me.... These "virtuous" people are such phonies....
6 posted on 10/06/2006 10:22:04 PM PDT by There You Go Again
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To: balch3
"The new law, which President Bush will sign this month, makes it much more difficult to send money to Internet gambling sites. Internet casinos that want to accept credit cards, Internet bank transfers, or any other illegal gambling payments will find themselves blocked."

Sounds like a person can gamble online all they want. They just can't put it on the ol' MasterCard.
7 posted on 10/06/2006 10:27:00 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: balch3
Bravo Senator Frist.

Bravo, my ass. The only reason they did this was because they couldn't figure out a way to tax the proceeds. If it's so unhealthy to families, why don't they push legislation outlawing Indian Casinos that are right here in our own country?

The fact is Frist has been a failure as the Senate Majority Leader. He feel right into the same trap that Trent Lott fell into. He forgot who he was representing and how he got there. And he let Harry Reid ramrod him.

So we end up with worthless feelgood laws like this. No thanks. I'm glad he'll soon be gone.

8 posted on 10/06/2006 10:28:11 PM PDT by blake6900 (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: Razz Barry
Let's see.....we've got

The war against drugs

The war against gambling

The war against porn

The war against guns

The war against terror

The war against laughter

The war against boys

The war against men

The war against life

Just take your anti-depressants and STFup!

9 posted on 10/06/2006 10:31:58 PM PDT by katya8
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To: balch3
Some believe that Congress should have gone even further

And many think that Congress has no business telling people it's okay to spend their cash at Injun Joe's, but that it's illegal to spend it a PartyPoker.com from the privacy of their own home.

Gambling has no fascination for me, and never has, but for those who like it, I think the Government has overplayed it's hand on this one.

11 posted on 10/06/2006 10:35:45 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Razz Barry

Yep, stop the lotteries if gambling is ruining families.

But the lotteries are "for the children."


12 posted on 10/06/2006 10:39:02 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I met Bill Clinton once but he didnít really talk ó he was hitting on my wife)
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To: katya8

You forgot The war against poverty and the war against anti-political correctness.


14 posted on 10/06/2006 10:44:50 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: balch3

Save me oh benevolent big government.....

Idiots.


15 posted on 10/06/2006 10:47:38 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: balch3
Bravo Senator Frist.

All we would have had to do is tell Congress that online gambling sites help illegal aliens sneak across the border and they would have left them alone.

Good to see that all the other problems in the world are solved so they can get to this pressing issue...

16 posted on 10/06/2006 10:55:11 PM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
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To: balch3

Maybe these Nanny's can occupy themselves by providing a personal bottom wiping service.


17 posted on 10/06/2006 10:56:30 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (History convinces me that bad government results from too much government. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: balch3
A gambler in, say 1860...down and out...was down and out. As with a lot of bad habits, the practitioners suffered the consequences of their stupidity. That dynamic, in and of itself, was a big negative to getting involved in vice, and/or allowing the passions to over-rule propriety it the recreational pursuit thereof.

Now, the ruined wretch has a friend in government...a safety net...an incentive to vice, even. There is no bottom.

The nanny-state, welfare mentality has wrought a government that DOES have a correct hand in the regulation of traditional vice-light: we all pay the consequences of the human train wrecks...and there are a lot more of them.

I wish I could say that the gubmint oughtta bugger off; but the welfare state demands regulation of the behaviors that turn productive, happy people into parasites and criminals. The house that Jack built. It sucks.

The prudent thing would be to get rid of welfare, and withhold regulation of all vice: let the players suffer the consequences. Scared straight. But that requires reason over sympathy....not gonna happen. 2c

18 posted on 10/06/2006 10:56:44 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot
ps...vote for me: you can have your vice, and eat dirt, if that's what you earn.
19 posted on 10/06/2006 10:59:37 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: SpaceBar

Cigarettes first, gambling second, wonder what will be next? Just a step closer to 1984


20 posted on 10/06/2006 11:07:33 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: balch3

"It’s important that people in the pro-family movement remain vigilant...."

Crumbs for folks....


21 posted on 10/06/2006 11:10:47 PM PDT by dakine
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To: Snoopers-868th
what will be next?

Sharia

22 posted on 10/06/2006 11:11:50 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: dasboot

That is pretty scary but we are moving down a pretty steep hill. I think the slope is gone.


23 posted on 10/06/2006 11:27:53 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: balch3
100 million people voted for Bush and Gore in the last election. Fundamentalist Christians claim to number about 28% of those voters, or around 28 million voters of which 78% of them voted Republican. That is around 23 million out of the 50 million votes that Bush received if one accepts these numbers...So the GOP is caught between the religious social engineers of the party on the one hand, and the 30 million "keep government out of my bedroom and pocket just secure the borders" traditional conservatives on the other...and it is noticeable to both when the GOP panders to one group in the party over the other.(As in the case of this terrible banking law.)

The Church having failed to modify social behavior through witnessing and persuasion, has take the somewhat fascist approach of trying to mandate it's religious beliefs through government force.

I don't know how many of the other 30 million who voted Republican will accept this current over representation of one special interest group in the party...It won't take many of them just not voting in the election to surrender the party to oblivion. After all the final vote totals for last election were BUSH 50,456,002 47.87%. Gore 50,999,897
48.38%. The electoral college saved us last time.

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm
24 posted on 10/06/2006 11:50:20 PM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

All I know is that he will not get my support in 08. In fact, I'll take my poker winnings (or losings ;) ) and send checks to each of his challengers and then send a copy of the check to him with a letter explaining why.


25 posted on 10/06/2006 11:52:14 PM PDT by djl_sa
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To: katya8

You got it!


26 posted on 10/07/2006 12:01:25 AM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: KDD
The problem is the republican party is made of at least three distinctive groups. Instead of concentrating on what we have in common each group is bulling for its own issues, and we just fail at everything. This is why despite having complete control of government for 4 years, we've got almost nothing to show of it, except some tax cuts.

I don't know the solution to this problem.

27 posted on 10/07/2006 12:02:47 AM PDT by Gradient Vector
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To: KDD
2004 results

The results of 2004 make the same point though Bush was riding higher in the polls.

28 posted on 10/07/2006 12:05:08 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: balch3

The stock market also tears countless dollars from the hands of working families. Perhaps we should ban that as well. After all, it's gambling.


29 posted on 10/07/2006 12:07:14 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: blake6900
Bravo, my ass. The only reason they did this was because they couldn't figure out a way to tax the proceeds.

Exactly. To say that this is about "virtues" from either side of the aisle is a pant-load.

30 posted on 10/07/2006 12:08:49 AM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles..." Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: Snoopers-868th
That is pretty scary but we are moving down a pretty steep hill. I think the slope is gone.

I'd say it's pretty much in free fall now.
31 posted on 10/07/2006 12:08:58 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
You bet!

This post wins.
32 posted on 10/07/2006 12:10:25 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Snoopers-868th

"Cigarettes first, gambling second, wonder what will be next? "

Transfat


33 posted on 10/07/2006 12:11:23 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: razorback-bert
Here, in Georgia, we have lottery sales at grocery stores and local fairs right in front of children. BUUUUUT don't dare let grown men get together and gamble on a card game in private.
34 posted on 10/07/2006 12:12:35 AM PDT by Razz Barry
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To: Gradient Vector

The solution is for the Church to remain above the slime that is politics and concentrate on converting people to their belief through moral persuasion. To expect piety from politicians and salvation from Washington goes contrary to common sense...

I posted this article here 6 years ago...

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39f7ad0d0b86.htm

"Acknowledging the limits of the law is indispensable to preserving the recognition of a moral order beyond it. Conversely, relieving legality of the burden of moral rightness is also indispensable to its preservation. The legal and the moral must remain distinct if they are to perform their roles of supporting and facilitating one another."


35 posted on 10/07/2006 12:15:51 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: balch3
Southern Baptist cultists stay the hell out of my life, I can manage my own affairs quite well thank you. Sent Frist an email explaining he will never get this real conservatives vote. This crap will turn away real freedom minded conservatives from the GOP.
36 posted on 10/07/2006 12:17:27 AM PDT by caresistance
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To: KDD
About churches vis a vis government:

Before the government deposited checks in mailboxes, the parishes were the dispensers of charity. But that charity was conditional: one had to be contrite to receive it. Personal contact with people who cared, and brooked little BS...fool them once....

The mailman holds no one to any moral standard. All that is necessary to recieve government largess is poverty, real or feigned; there is no incentive to amend; there is every reason to remain in comfortable misery; there is no one to hold the mirror, and say "guilty". If you don't take the money, someone else will. [Did you know that being an ex-con automatically qualifies you for state welfare in my 1/50th? The health benefits include unlimited drug rehab....adjust the maintenance dosage every couple months 50 bags to four...see you in a few months. Private insurance....3 days...one time. It pays to be a jackoff reprobate.]

The parishes have fallen apart: that which made them socially necessary has been rendered moot by professional helpers in the gummint. [poverty is a disease of unequal distribution of wealth...not the result of incorrect morals and attitudes and lifestyles.....guilt is perverse!]

The churches will flourish when they are necessary, and that will be not very soon.

37 posted on 10/07/2006 1:08:49 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: Razz Barry
The growing problem must be it's taking away from Tennessee lottery sales

Tennessee, Virginia, N.Y, and the other 47 States.

Of course "BILL," I really believe you and the other BS artists when you use (Sadly, the DimicRATS'usual) that old ploy: "Its for the Chillen."

I can just imagine some 13 or 15 year old with a their own Credit Card with hundreds (or thousands) of dollar limits (OR BETTER YET, USING BANK MONEY TRANSFERS?) gambling "their" savings away?

Yeah right!!!

Go back to Tenn., Mr. Frist. I'm sure you are/were a great doctor; you have been a TERRRIBLE leader in the Senate.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT $$$$$$ and the inability of States' (and Feds) to get their grubby little hands on their "share" in the form of taxes.

The same thing applies for the purchase of tobacco products online, which is now nearly impossible to do, thanks to the N.Y. State-Gov-wanna-be-idiot-liberal-A-Hole Elliot "SPRITZER."

None of this has anything to do with the "Chillen."

And believe me, as soon as all these Pols figure out a way to "save the Chillens" by taxing ALL INTERNET ONLINE PURCHASES, they will trot that one out in order to force all of us to render unto Ceaser what (they perceive)is due.

Sadly Frist and other Pubs have caved on this--as in so many other issues.

By the way, I've NEVER gambled online--not so much as a dime, although I do enjoy Vegas every once in a while which is much more exiting and fun and I have no doubt that all Casinos throughout the US, were firmly behind this bill as online gambling no doubt hurt their bottom lines.....

Personally I could care less if online gambling is allowed or barred. My only bitch is that Frist and the rest are a bunch of Hypocrites and are unwilling to admit the real reason they opposed this, rather than use that piss-poor excuse: "Its for the Chillen!!!"

38 posted on 10/07/2006 1:10:31 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist ("INFIDEL AND PROUD OF IT.")
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To: dasboot

Churches generally are seen as necessary when people become interested in the salvation of souls.


39 posted on 10/07/2006 1:18:57 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: razorback-bert
Yep, stop the lotteries if gambling is ruining families.

But the lotteries are "for the children."

Of course and so was the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of extortion money the states got from the tobacco companies in the settlements.

Anyone care to inquire as to where that $$$$ actually went?

The same place as all of our FICA contributions go when it reaches Washington--"The General Funds" and it disappears faster than the pols can say "Sucker!"

40 posted on 10/07/2006 1:19:05 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist ("INFIDEL AND PROUD OF IT.")
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To: kms61

"Nanny-Statism at its finest. Frist is no conservative."

This bill has nothing to do with gambling. The real problem with the Internet for the bureaucrats is the coming explosive growth of Internet money - that is credit and monetary flows outside the taxable channels. As the Internet grows, it becomes it's own nation-state with its own monetary system, online gambling just hastens this trend. Now Frist et. al. can try and put a cork in this, but it will inevitably squirt out somewhere else. So, joust at windmills Frist, be all the eunuch you can be.


41 posted on 10/07/2006 1:27:57 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: ktown kat
the vegas strip is speckled with hookers and thieves that are looking for vulnerable people with cash in their pockets.

Sounds like Congress to me.

42 posted on 10/07/2006 1:36:23 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: ktown kat
people say that internet gambling brings the vegas strip to people's homes, this is a flat out lie. the vegas strip is speckled with hookers and thieves that are looking for vulnerable people with cash in their pockets. when folks are in the privacy of their own homes they will not be confronted by muggers or hookers.

That's exactly the reason I prefer the reality of Vegas as opposed the the Virtual Reality of online gambling. lol

43 posted on 10/07/2006 1:41:06 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist ("INFIDEL AND PROUD OF IT.")
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To: razorback-bert
But the lotteries are "for the children."

Take the lottery in North Carolina. It HAD to be named "The North Carolina Education Lottery.

What a load....

44 posted on 10/07/2006 1:45:24 AM PDT by OBXWanderer
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To: dasboot
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, ‘tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."

Benjamin Franklin:

"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side." Aristotle

45 posted on 10/07/2006 3:30:03 AM PDT by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: balch3

The crackdown on online gaming isn't to 'protect' anyone other than the established gaming corporations and tribes that contribute heavily to our Senators and Representatives - and who fund the anti-gambling coalitions for the sole purpose of locking out any new competitors.


46 posted on 10/07/2006 3:44:48 AM PDT by Reform4Bush
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To: balch3

The Republican Theocracy


47 posted on 10/07/2006 4:34:55 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: katya8

And we're going to win them all.../sarcasm off


48 posted on 10/07/2006 4:49:20 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: There You Go Again
the phony left pushes its "virtue" on me....now the phony "religious" right pushing their virtue on me

Yep, I'm getting dammmed tired of it too.

Freedom is getting harder and harder to come by.

49 posted on 10/07/2006 5:35:48 AM PDT by vikzilla
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To: Ben Ficklin
The Republican Theocracy

Great terminology; may they rot in hell.

50 posted on 10/07/2006 5:44:05 AM PDT by vikzilla
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