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The truth about 'gay' pedophilia: Olivia St. John looks at research in light of Foley fiasco
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, October 7, 2006 | Olivia St. John

Posted on 10/07/2006 12:38:38 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Liberals are experts at framing debates in their favor. Since the Foley fiasco hit the news, the emphasis has been on evils lurking within the Republican Party.

Incredibly, political editor Brian E. Crowley of the Palm Beach Post opined, "Rumors that Foley is gay have swirled around him for years. … But on Friday, whether Foley was a homosexual or a heterosexual no longer seemed to matter."

Really? Why would that be considered inconsequential? Could it be because the Democrat Party embraces legalizing homosexual marriage and inserting homosexual material into public school textbooks designed for children as young as grammar school, as demonstrated in recent efforts by the California Legislature to indoctrinate students? That is the real story behind this media blitz that Democrats want Americans to miss.

While the leftist media focuses on the political ramifications surrounding Foley in an effort to gain points for liberal candidates in the upcoming election, the fact that a homosexual rather than a heterosexual preyed on a young male is being oddly overlooked. Few people are talking about it. And the question is "Why not?" The answer is important because to ignore it is to dismiss the real plight of many homosexuals today and their impact upon our culture, our children and our political scene.

Foley admits that he is a homosexual. Dare the question be asked whether homosexuals commit higher rates of molestation than heterosexuals do? Or are the thought police hard at work silencing the possible implications?

English professor Karla Jay, Ph.D., and well-educated journalist Allen Young, both homosexual activists, conducted the first major survey on homosexuality in America in 1979. Their work is still cited in academic studies and involved over 5,000 homosexuals from all walks of life. Titled "The Gay Report," the study published data on underage sex, disease, gross promiscuity, suicidal tendencies and more.

One cannot help but applaud the honesty of these two homosexuals in publishing the results of their study, which documented that "23 percent of respondents admitted to having had sex with youths aged 13-15, while 19 percent felt positive about sexual activity within this age group." Tragically, 50 percent of the males in their survey experienced their first sexual encounter at age 15 or less.

In spite of the fact that two gay researchers produced "The Gay Report," radical homosexual activists dismiss it as outdated. This is ironic considering they so often cite the much older 1948 "10 percent of society is gay" statistic from the oft-disputed Alfred Kinsey study.

But out of courtesy for their concerns, are there other esteemed elites drawing the same conclusions? Contrary to the homosexual assertion that heterosexual molestations outnumber those committed by homosexuals, Yale and Harvard-connected psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover states that "careful studies show that pedophilia is far more common among homosexuals than heterosexuals." Satinover adds, "The greater absolute number of heterosexual cases reflects the fact that heterosexual males outnumber homosexual males by approximately 36 to 1. Heterosexual child molestation cases outnumber homosexual cases by only 11 to 1, implying that pedophilia is more than three times more common among homosexuals."

So considering the fact that this type of sexual interest is shown by studies to occur more often in homosexual populations, is it any surprise that Mark Foley admitted he himself was molested as a teenager by a clergyman?

According to a report by Gregory Rogers featured on the website for the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, such issues raise "immediate questions … should gay priests be allowed access to Sunday Schools or youth groups?" Instead of asking that question, however, the liberal cohorts shift the spotlight off the homosexuals themselves and onto the church as a whole, just as they're now doing with the Republicans even though they themselves have a stained record in this regard.

While pointing their fingers at Republicans, who may have overlooked gross evil while focusing on political gain, liberals overlook a tremendous evil themselves by ignoring the truth about homosexual behavior. They fail to speak out for the innocent children caught in the path of a rabid homosexual agenda fueled by wounded people who refuse to change.

The truth is that the majority of Republicans oppose same-sex marriage and the insertion of homosexual dogma into schools, while most Democrats support it.

As David Kupelian states in his groundbreaking best seller "The Marketing of Evil," "The end game is not only to bring about the complete acceptance of homosexuality, including same-sex marriage, but also to prohibit and even criminalize public criticism of homosexuality."

And all of this at the expense of our children.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; ephebophiles; homosexualagenda; liberals; oliviastjohn; pederast; pederasty; pedophiles
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1 posted on 10/07/2006 12:38:39 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Genesis ruins the illogical and non-biological arguments of homosexual monogamy. In a secular sense, homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. It is in no way an anatomical function of the human organism, but a phantasmagoric creation from within the mentally disturbed human mind, a social psychosis, naked and on full exhibitionist display.

This is the whole crux (pun intended) of their attack on creationism - - they are really frustrated by Genesis, but cannot destroy the axiomatic state of procreant human biology, it does not fit their religious agenda.

Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.

Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal. With pantheons of fantasies as their medium of infinitization, they still have nothing in them of reality, any more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream.

Homosexual deviancy is really a pagan practice (and a self-induced social psychosis) at war with the Judaic culture over what is written in the book of Genesis (1:27, 2:18).

This is exactly what the National Socialists were at war with... so, when someone uses the term "Gaystapo," they might not realize how close to the truth they really are. (Consider the National Socialist eugenic breeding programs.)

Many will seek ceremonious sanctification and esoteric absolution in some type of marriage rite, but that still fails to give them a connection to the eternal in both a religious and temporal, procreant sense - - the union does not produce offspring.

Dissatisfaction with inevitable mortality only feeds the impoverishment of the ego further. Homosexuals really hate human life; their whole desire is rooted in the destruction of it...

2 posted on 10/07/2006 1:43:25 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: JohnHuang2

Barney Franks a homo but thats O.K. because he's a democrat.


3 posted on 10/07/2006 3:09:44 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I won't disagree with you in total however there is plenty of blame to go around.

My observation over my short span of time here on this earth is that liberals know more about conservatives than conservatives know about liberals.

Like the author describes liberals have declared rightful ownership to shaping the debate. Conservatives respond by showing they are NOT what liberals accuse them of being all the while liberals are well down the path taking notes to the conservative response and plant the phelps stalking funerals, of all things, as representative of what conservatives think.

Meanwhile conservatives are so busy trying to protect their image of NOT being the so called haters, they ignored what they have allowed to set up shop in the public school system.

Evolution is about 'reproduction' so plain and simple SEX, and there had to be some hot and steamy species crossing to give their theory credibility.
4 posted on 10/07/2006 3:26:46 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
The Jews provided a unique human history by living the experience of sexual obedience to the fundamental mechanics of procreation. The rest of mankind (ancient paganism) who hadn't been influenced by Judaism threw themselves into many forms of sexual debauchery and even cannibalism. When Jews have become more prominent throughout history, human philosophy begs the question "why" to discover the "Reason" God gave us what "IS". God's revelation to and nuturing of the Jewish tradition gave mankind's reason and philosophy better discovery to spiritual questions to "why?".

In the "fullness of time", Jesus gave us Sacraments (Holy Matrimony being one of them) as a means of lifting us to Spiritual Life above the vehicle of mere mortal flesh. Christ is the very Example of Obedience. Evil, the absolute in disobedience, attacks Sacraments, indeed trying to mock ALL Sacraments in a futile move to destroy humanity.

In essence Jesus armed mankind with the Sacraments. It's similar to a hunter using a spear to kill a snake. The snake is busy striking at the spear instead of the hunter's heal. Indeed, the snake (Satan) has become so preoccupied with the spear that it cannot focus on the human hunter so determined to remove the universal enemy of mankind (Satan and all his fallen spirits). The snake cannot attack us directly so long as we are armed with the Sacraments. Thus, Evil must attack the Sacraments since a population without such is easily put asunder. Even a neighboring nation in Communion with the Sacraments is a well spring flowing to the spiritual protection of all other neighbors.

Exorcists know the effectiveness of the Sacraments since they are much more powerful than the Faith used by Exorcists to expel demons (snakes and scorpions, as labeled by Jesus). But a Physical Example of the Power of the work of our hands Sanctified by Christ (like Holy Water, or better still, the Holy Eucharist), is the absolute repulsive behavior of a demonic when in the Presence of Christ (Holy Eucharist) or even simply being sprinkled with Holy Water.

Furthermore, "Genesis", the first Book in the Bible, proclaims our mission of procreation. Further still, we are duty bound to take dominion of our earthly gift which includes naming all creatures. Creatures include demons labeled by their fruits (which we know them for the sins they sell us and enslave us to their eternal damnation when we fall to the same). Naming creatures, in the Jewish tradition, is to have power over them (recall God explaining to Cain that he must master the "demon lurking at the door"). Thus, we cannot possibly know, much less label, the name of God unless we use the same description He gave Moses, "I Am Who Am." (Exodus 3:16) We're under a serious spiritual attack from Satan. The riteous must invite sinners to the protection of the Sacraments. Simply put, Satan's objective is to castrate human souls from Communion with God Who IS Life. Human politics have seen nations make enemies of Jews. But there are other victims of demonic influenced politics. These political victims had unwittingly propelled the demonic into power only to see these same sinners murdered by the ambitious they served (Ernst Roehm and his SA brown shirts are the first called to mind). Sin is the mortal weakness of human life. When sinners see the historical example of how the weakest of human flesh is cannon fodder for demonic politics, sinners (all of us) should take note of God's protection from mortal and eternal death. We must shelter ourselves with Obedience and thusly be armed with the Sacraments.
5 posted on 10/07/2006 3:53:30 AM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Beyond that, the very tolerance of unnatural behavior is a threat to the entire organization. According to 1 Corinthians 5:6 "Do you not know that a little yeast leavens all of the dough?"


6 posted on 10/07/2006 4:27:24 AM PDT by olezip
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To: SaltyJoe
I read somewhere that the gay community is behind the media using the Pedophile term in most cases to distinguish from homosexual men .Does the age of 16 or 17 fall under the pedophile term I would like to know.I would think it means very young children under the age of 13 but I might be wrong.Larry King said the term pedophile about 6 times the other night about Foley and I thought there is no mention that he is a homosexual as if they are trying to distance him form that.
7 posted on 10/07/2006 4:31:49 AM PDT by ricoshea
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
their anatomical perversions

I'm reminded of this every time I get a prostate exam. How anyone can find such an invasion pleasurable is beyond me.

8 posted on 10/07/2006 5:22:56 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: JohnHuang2

Fudge Packing is a learned behaviour and a pretty disgusting one at that......................


9 posted on 10/07/2006 5:31:35 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the Truth in Folks.)
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To: ricoshea

Ricoshea said: "Larry King said the term pedophile about 6 times the other night about Foley and I thought there is no mention that he is a homosexual as if they are trying to distance him from that."

Excellent point.

That's exactly what they're trying to do. Throw a smokescreen over the whole issue.

And it's a boldfaced lie!

Evidently the research shows that homosexuals commit far higher rates of molestation than heterosexuals do. Apparently pedophilia and homosexuality are very much in bed with each other.

Sheesh! Who wudda guessed?!



10 posted on 10/07/2006 5:33:32 AM PDT by freeper_peeper
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To: Just mythoughts
[ My observation over my short span of time here on this earth is that liberals know more about conservatives than conservatives know about liberals. ]

NO.... should be..

My observation over my short span of time here on this earth is that liberals know more about RINOs conservatives than RINOs conservatives know about liberals.....

11 posted on 10/07/2006 5:42:33 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: hosepipe
Hmmmmm, well there is the element of deception which maintained a 2/3rds approval rating for the Clintons.... so are we only talking 1/3 are conservatives???
12 posted on 10/07/2006 5:45:19 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: freeper_peeper

I always wonder who tears down the partitions that separates urinals? Is it homosexuals or pediphiles?


13 posted on 10/07/2006 6:01:06 AM PDT by usslsm51
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To: Just mythoughts
[ so are we only talking 1/3 are conservatives??? ]

Could be... America is becomeing MORE socialist not LESS socialist.. RINOs are cross dressed democrats(socialists).. Seems many are ignorant that Socialism is Slavery by Givernment.. in every case.. not in some cases..

14 posted on 10/07/2006 6:11:06 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: freeper_peeper
Apparently pedophilia and homosexuality are very much in bed with each other.

NAMBLA comes to mind.

15 posted on 10/07/2006 6:14:08 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: ricoshea
I read somewhere that the gay community is behind the media using the Pedophile term in most cases to distinguish from homosexual men .Does the age of 16 or 17 fall under the pedophile term I would like to know.

No. Pedophilia is the attraction to prepubescent children. Attraction to adolescents is ephebophilia. If both parties are males, it can be construed pederasty. But pedophilia is an imprecise and somewhat loaded term in this case.

16 posted on 10/07/2006 6:21:49 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Just mythoughts
there is the element of deception which maintained a 2/3rds approval rating for the Clintons

The fact that a majority of people 'accepted' the Clinton's perversion just showed how much people love money. Just like the Bible says.

They weren't willing to rock the rising stock market boat by booting the Clinton administration --- even though the rising market was actually a valuation bubble that was willingly encouraged by lax SEC enforcement.

The SEC looked the other way as bankers and stock analysts conspired to cook the books by giving out unrealistic rosy earnings scenarios, which of course later proved false.

Thus the bubble burst in 2000 - SURPRISE - right at the end of the Clinton administration.

And naturally, the Bush run SEC had to prosecute the wrong-doers from the go-bubble 1990a, like WorldCom, Global Crossing, Enron, etc. all of which did their deeds in the 90s.

17 posted on 10/07/2006 6:25:01 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: JohnHuang2
It must be even more dangerous these days versus when I was a teen-ager in the late 70's. I was a "Rocker" who liked long hair, chicks and my guitar.

I was often preyed upon by homos. It was because of certain laws that compelled me to leave the pervs unharmed. These studies confirm just how bad it is out there. And with today's glorifying of homosexuality, hell, even celebrated, it must be much worse now.

18 posted on 10/07/2006 6:32:52 AM PDT by lormand (0 to 10,000,000 people read my posts everyday)
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To: MojoWire
It is like revisiting a nightmare of reality.... Clintonism perverted every institution of our society... political, (voter fraud to out right lies and deception); economy, (Clintons cooked the government books as well); education, (union control, along with gay agenda); religious, (bjClinton is the super-preacher of all super-preachers, just look at his save the poor and the climate religion)
19 posted on 10/07/2006 6:40:57 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Caesar Soze
If both parties are males, it can be construed pederasty.

Thank you for providing the proper definitions and in answer to the earlier poster, there is no doubt that using the 'pedophile' term gives great cover to the males sexually violating male children. Once it is simply 'pedophilia', the specific nature of it is lost. I can't think of a good example...... but it would be akin to someone with herpes claiming that his/her problem was simply a virus and thus was no different than someone who had a common cold. The meaning would be lost by using such a general term.

Language itself is so very important in this discussion and in fact the group that controls the language will ultimately gain control of the agenda. In other posts here, I've been trying to encourage everyone to avoid the trap. Let me give a very simple and specific example. I personally do not believe that there is any such thing as a homosexual - and in fact, the term did not exist until relatively recently. Where has the word come from? Who is behind its usage? How has it become popularized? I would submit that human sexuality is a characteristic that is innate to all - and that the ways that the sexuality manifest itself can be either normal or deviant. However, by falling into the language trap of using the word 'homosexual', this implies that since it exists, it must have some legitimacy and normality about it. That there are human beings on this planet that engage themselves in homosexual activities is not in question since we know that happens. However, they are not homosexuals.... they are just humans who are expressing their God given sexuality in a deviant manner. So instead of using the term 'homosexual', the more appropriate term would to call him/her 'one who engages in homosexual acts'.

20 posted on 10/07/2006 7:22:26 AM PDT by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest... ( "Sooner or later in life, we all sit down to a banquet of consequences." Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: ricoshea

I thought I heard that age 16 was a separation point, in terms of law. Re pedophilia ....


21 posted on 10/07/2006 7:27:32 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Barney Franks a homo but thats O.K. because he's a democrat.

That's not good enough, buster.

I demand that you commend, celebrate, extoll and build monuments to his buggery. I demand that you sing the praises of his misuse of the digestive tract for sexual titillation all the days of your life.

Or else you're an evil bigot, probably slightly more evil than Hitler and Stalin combined.
22 posted on 10/07/2006 8:18:03 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: freeper_peeper

Yeah, the Catholic priest pedophilia problem is never phrased as homosexual pedophilia either. It is just continual liberal spin and obfuscation. And they wonder why their ratings are in the tank.


23 posted on 10/07/2006 8:24:35 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: SaltyJoe
"The Jews provided a unique human history by living the experience of sexual obedience to the fundamental mechanics of procreation."

I wouldn't go there if I were you... Islam, with its polygamy, is even more "obedient" in that way, and has the birth rates to prove it.
24 posted on 10/07/2006 8:30:22 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
However, they are not homosexuals.... they are just humans who are expressing their God given sexuality in a deviant manner. So instead of using the term 'homosexual', the more appropriate term would to call him/her 'one who engages in homosexual acts'.

You approach the idea of traditional sodomy: the use of sex organs for purposes other than vaginal sex within marriage.

In this sense, the majority of Americans are sodomites to one degree or another. And, before you object, look at your Bible: nothing there says that the sin of Sodom was homosexual sin. And Lott did offer his daughters to the crowd of perverts, obviously with the expectation that they might accept misusing virgins instead of the fair angels. It was an anything-goes philosophy of sexual behavior that was the sin of Sodom. So other than roving rape-gangs unrestrained by a civil authority, ask yourself how modern America differs from ancient Sodom in its fundamental attitudes toward authentic sexuality and the perverted imitations of sex traditionally known as sodomy.
25 posted on 10/07/2006 8:31:40 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: JohnHuang2
I don't think that it's homosexuality, per se, that drives them to young boys. I think it's the fact that many gay men were introduced to that culture when they were in those age groups and if I remember correctly, those who have been molested themselves tend to molest others. I think we are seeing a vicious circle here.
26 posted on 10/07/2006 8:54:48 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

I think it's simply a matter of gay men desiring the freshest meat available.

You do see older (rich) straight men with young pretty women, don't you. Similar, except for one is yech! ... and one is yum.


27 posted on 10/07/2006 9:01:57 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...

You said: "So instead of using the term 'homosexual', the more appropriate term would to call him/her 'one who engages in homosexual acts'."

Good point.

Perhaps "practicing homosexual" would be concise enough since they practice perversion.

Question_Assumptions said: "I think it's the fact that many gay men were introduced to that culture when they were in those age groups and if I remember correctly, those who have been molested themselves tend to molest others. I think we are seeing a vicious circle here."

You're right. And that's the primary reason they're trying to get into the Boy Scouts and have already gotten into our schools.

Chuzzlewit said: "I think it's simply a matter of gay men desiring the freshest meat available."

Sadly, very tragically, you're right too. It keeps the feeding trough filled.

Lormand, thanks for your courage in saying what you did and I wish the very best for you. Godspeed.


28 posted on 10/07/2006 10:35:28 AM PDT by freeper_peeper
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To: freeper_peeper
Perhaps "practicing homosexual" would be concise enough since they practice perversion.

The original poster had it right. There is no such thing as a homosexual or a heterosexual. There is only behavior.

You find that if you actually debate this issue with 'gay men', taking this tactic really throws them and makes them mad. You're, in effect, telling them that they are imaginary creatures. Then you can bring the subject back to their behavior and misuse of their sexual organs.

The mythological creatures known as the homosexual and the heterosexual, later termed 'gay' and 'straight', are the creations of modern clinical psychology, primarily Kinsey.

If you adopt the enemy's words and concepts, you have handed him a subtle weapon with which to deflect you.
29 posted on 10/07/2006 11:12:53 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush; Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...; Chuzzlewit; Question_Assumptions; JohnHuang2

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree! That wasn't my point.

The problem is that we need to adopt more concise phraseology to counter the skewed phraseology so often used to great advantage by the Left, i.e., "choice", "women's liberation", "feminism", "progressives", "homophobia", and the like.

Here's a really good Freepers thread highlighting a representative list: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115231/posts

Unfortunately, in our time of fast-paced media clips, creating our own to-the-point phraseology can only help us in countering these leftist tongue twisting socialists lacking a soul.


30 posted on 10/07/2006 1:02:01 PM PDT by freeper_peeper
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To: freeper_peeper

Excellent points.


31 posted on 10/07/2006 1:54:51 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: ricoshea
Splitting of hairs.

Yes, it's important to know that there's a difference of sin or that which offends God.

The man who maliciously molests then guns down school girls in a small God-fearing town is a far worse villain than a combat weary soldier who guns down suspicious hardened criminals acting like surrendering soldiers.

Yes, there are degrees of sin.

Two consenting and unmarried adults talking dirty to each other is far less offensive to God than a grown man talking dirty to a prepubescent boy.

Are their prepubescent pages in Congress?

Larry King might want to do more journalistic homework before he starts accusing members and former members of government of a crime that won't stick. Larry, himself will be the story instead of the offending ex-politician.

BTW, what is Larry's definition of pedophile? Anyone who dates, expresses interest, or talks dirty to a younger person?

How many wealthy men and women are enjoying the company of a younger companion? Who is Demi Moore married to? Who does Cher date...and the entire Hollywood crowd for that fact?
33 posted on 10/07/2006 3:05:30 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: ricoshea; freeper_peeper; Chuzzlewit; bboop
Forgot to add to post 33...

When politics become diabolic in nature (which seems to fit the very name of polarizing "politics"), then opposing parties don't have the objective of "in order to perform a more perfect union", as stated in our Constitution's Preamble. The nature of polarized politics makes all human effort a grab for more power for the sake of being in power. There's no universal humanist appeal in such a pre-Nazi Germany political environment (Bolsheviks vs. National Socialists).

Thus, the real crime is held by both parties who refuse to define inappropriate behavior. The reality is that the entire nation, and the rest of the world, suffer for lack of moral leadership.

Republicans had the opportunity to define "getting a blow job from a White House intern" as inappropriate sexual relations. Americans would have had a former president bent over a barrel to sign a law that brings order to the Commander-in-Chief's behavior. And the president would never be above the law especially when he leads the entire Executive Branch who must adhere to very strict codes of morality. Instead, Republicans forced a losing battle to replace a President that couldn't have lost his job because the letter of the law protected him.

Are there any bills defining etra-marital blow jobs as inappropriate sexual relations for the Commander-in-Chief? Are there any bills that put the President in his place as one who must follow the same strict USMJ that all of his military must follow?

Demonic politics have protected sin, and inappropriate behavior will return again and again because Satan has turned the hearts of men against their brother. So, when Democrats complain of an "illegal war", they have "inappropriate behavior" to thank for it.

Recall that it only took one generation for mankind to go from disobedience in the Garden of Eden to fratricide.
34 posted on 10/07/2006 3:42:19 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Matthew 5:

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"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
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But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you,
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that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust.
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For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same?
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And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same?
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So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.




I "go there" to show that Jesus is Perfection. If gentiles and Jews are popping out babies left and right, then good for humanity. Why? Because that's what we are suppose to do in obedience to God--populate the planet. Every soul is a cup into which God pours His Grace. The planet is better off with people. Eventual, all will be return to God after all are harvested (both good and bad), and good are kept and the bad are burned away.



Matthew 22: (hypothetical widow marrying 7 brothers)

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Jesus said to them in reply, "You are misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God.
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At the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven.
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And concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God,
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'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
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When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at his teaching.



Marriage is no longer a farm-animal like method to mass produce humanity. One man must pour ALL of his love into only one woman. If there's any question as to her needs, she will demand EVERYTHING that can be given from her one and only man. I know this to be true because I know many married men. Their wives demand everything from them (and often demand more...that's why she must look for the rest in the Divinity of God, not man, to find the fulfillment of self in Holy Matrimony). Thus, Marriage always includes the invisible 3rd Party, God.

Marriage seeking more than one human partner (polygamy) is extremely self destructive and takes God to rectify. Look at how disastrous the multiple relationships of Abraham have turned out! Only Jesus can unsettle this mess!
35 posted on 10/07/2006 4:07:22 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: SaltyJoe; ricoshea

Ricoshea is astutely pointing out that the liberal media is intentionally avoiding mentioning the "H" word and using the term pedophilia to sidetrack the fact Foley is a homosexual going after male teens.

Liberals want people to believe the lie that all homosexuals are nice people incapable of doing anyone harm.

If this were pedophilia it would involve a child 13 or younger. This was not pedophilia. It was a homosexual advance towards a teenage minor.









36 posted on 10/07/2006 4:09:32 PM PDT by freeper_peeper
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To: JohnHuang2

bump


37 posted on 10/07/2006 7:27:16 PM PDT by VOA
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To: JohnHuang2

Even Michael Medved (a former liberal) has said that he sees a relationship between an adult male and a teen girl to be the worst of all 4 possible pairings between adults and teens (because the girl can get pregnant) even though homosexuals seduce new recruits (many will confess that they came to it by an older partner) and we've seen a number of adult women get pregnant by minor males (one tried getting the 13 year old father to pay child support and she wound up being charged for molestation).

Much of the left's "outrage" is false and just banging pots and pans to try to sour GOP support.

I don't recall them being upset with Scott Ritter.


38 posted on 10/07/2006 7:40:02 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: bboop

You still have sexual delinquency of a minor and also statutory rape crimes.


39 posted on 10/07/2006 7:43:51 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: JohnHuang2

Pelosi can opportunistically kick Foley for purposes of her partisan smear campaign against all Republicans, but apparently she had no qualms about appearing publicly with one of the leading NAMBLA ideologists (funny, I cannot find a hint of Pelosi criticism for this guy no matter how much I work my Google button):





http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10450

Said Harry: "Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world."

In short, San Francisco's beloved Harry Hay was a vigorous and well-known advocate of older men having sex with young boys. He was a fearless and quite famous advocate for Congressman Mark Foley's behavior.

Which makes one curious about the presence of marcher number 34 in the 2001 Pride Parade. Marching a mere three spots away from the famous Harry Hay, no doubt waving and smiling to the crowd, was, as the Chronicle logged her in the Official Guide and Program Parade Lineup: "U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi."


40 posted on 10/07/2006 9:23:41 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: JohnHuang2

This one's a keeper. Bookmarking...


41 posted on 10/07/2006 9:29:29 PM PDT by Antoninus (Attention GOP---Rule 4: See Rules 1 and 3. Rule 5: NO FOLEYS!)
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To: lormand

"23 percent of respondents admitted to having had sex with youths aged 13-15, while 19 percent felt positive about sexual activity within this age group." Tragically, 50 percent of the males in their survey experienced their first sexual encounter at age 15 or less."

Hey, I had sex with a youth of 14.. when I was 14. Guess that makes my first sexual encounter tragic, too.

Anyone have a copy of this report? This two sentence summary seems a bit.. superficial.


42 posted on 10/08/2006 8:07:15 AM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: ivyleaguebrat; lormand

My post was directed to the article/all, not to you lormand.


43 posted on 10/08/2006 8:10:31 AM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: JohnHuang2

It is democrats who are the true hypocrites.


44 posted on 10/08/2006 8:13:46 AM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: JohnHuang2
Titled "The Gay Report," the study published data on underage sex, disease, gross promiscuity, suicidal tendencies and more.

One cannot help but applaud the honesty of these two homosexuals in publishing the results of their study, which documented that "23 percent of respondents admitted to having had sex with youths aged 13-15, while 19 percent felt positive about sexual activity within this age group." Tragically, 50 percent of the males in their survey experienced their first sexual encounter at age 15 or less.

OMG

45 posted on 10/08/2006 8:23:55 AM PDT by GOPJ (Dems are bi - happy to flay the GOP as (a)uptight prudes or(b)pedophile enablers--Steyn)
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To: JohnHuang2

http://community.livejournal.com/gsa_lj/598942.html?view=6824606#t6824606

AGGGHH!! GET THEM!!


46 posted on 10/08/2006 7:04:39 PM PDT by dmayberry
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To: ivyleaguebrat; JohnHuang2; TAdams8591

I looked up some of her sources and looks like she's right on, man!

Looks like page numbers are cited and everything. It's for real.

http://www.narth.com/docs/reporton.html


47 posted on 10/08/2006 8:51:47 PM PDT by freeper_peeper
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To: GOPJ; freeper_peeper

The NARTH page didn't really answer my question.. I had sex with a youth of 14 when I was 14, so that makes my first sexual encounter "tragic" too. I'm just wondering if I would be applied to that percentage in their statistic.


48 posted on 10/09/2006 7:56:28 AM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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To: ivyleaguebrat; GOPJ

That's a no brainer if you ask me. Kids shouldn't have sex whether they're heterosexual or confused in homosexuality. Anyone who thinks they should isn't too far from thinking like a pedophile would. (I'm not saying you're a ped, but you might think about what you're saying.)

All you have to do is look at how STDs and abortions have skyrocketed the last few decades to see a tragedy in the works.


49 posted on 10/09/2006 8:46:30 AM PDT by freeper_peeper
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To: freeper_peeper

Of course it's best if kids wait to have sex. I don't regret my experience, but I'd imagine the age of being "ready" varies widely person to person, perhaps even reaching the mid-20s.

However they imply a specific conclusion from a non-specific premise. The data says a significant proportion of gays have had sex with youths 13-15. The implication is that these are adults having sex with teens, but the statement doesn't specify.

The data says a large percentage of gays had their first sexual encounter when they were under 15. The implication is that this occured with an older person. The conclusion, by implication, is that there's a vicious cycle at work which is creating pedophiles.

But this conclusion isn't supported unless the data is actually more specific than the statement indicates.


50 posted on 10/09/2006 9:48:23 AM PDT by ivyleaguebrat
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