Skip to comments.Poll: Pentecostals widening influence
Posted on 10/07/2006 6:40:10 AM PDT by NYer
NEW YORK - A new 10-nation survey of Pentecostal and charismatic Christians, considered the fastest-growing stream of Christianity worldwide, shows they are deeply influencing the Roman Catholic and mainstream Protestant churches and are poised to make a big impact on global affairs. p>The poll released Thursday by the Washington-based Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that "spirit-filled" Christians, who speak in tongues and believe in healing through prayer, comprise at least 10 percent of the population in nine of the 10 surveyed countries.
The study also found that followers are more willing than previously thought to bring their traditional values into public debates, potentially shaping government policies in the years ahead.
The surveys were conducted over the spring and summer in Brazil, Chile, Guatemala, Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa, India, the Philippines, South Korea" /> Researchers polled both Pentecostals, who form their own denominations such as the Assemblies of God, and charismatics, who have adopted some Pentecostal beliefs but remain members of traditional Protestant and Catholic churches.
The survey estimated that Pentecostals and charismatics together comprise at least half the population of Brazil, Guatemala and Kenya, and 44 percent of the Philippines.
They make up about one-third of the population of South Africa and Chile and nearly one-quarter of Nigerians and U.S. residents. The figure for South Korea is smaller, at 11 percent. In India, the poll was limited to three states with large Christian populations, so a national estimate could not be made.
The study found Pentecostal beliefs have a strong hold in major churches in many countries.
In the traditionally Catholic nations of Brazil, Guatemala and the Philippines, charismatics are a larger share of the population than Pentecostals.
In six of the 10 countries, Pentecostals and charismatics together make up the majority of the overall Protestant population, according to the survey.
The Pentecostal movement, which began a century ago in Los Angeles, spread quickly overseas because of its adaptability to local cultures, whose indigenous beliefs often include healings and casting out of evil spirits, and because of the exuberance of its worship.
While Pentecostals and charismatics are known for speaking in tongues, the survey found respondents were more likely to say that they had personally witnessed or experienced other signs of the Holy Spirit, such as a healing through prayer or a direct revelation from God.
The majority of Pentecostals in every nation surveyed except South Korea and India believed religious groups should express their views on social and political issues. In seven of the 10 countries, 70 percent of charismatics agreed.
"These are folks for whom the world of spirit is remarkably alive ... but that in no way diminishes their commitment to social justice for the poor, for instance, or a role for government in meeting those needs," said Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum.
The polls were conducted by phone in the U.S., and in person overseas, with margins of error ranging from plus or minus 4 percentage points to 9 percentage points for some subgroups.
The polls in Brazil, South Africa and South Korea focused on urban areas.
Fads run their course. They also fail to mention that Pentecostalism is the denomination within Christianity with the highest dropout rate. It would seem that you can only play pretend for so long before reality once again sets in.
I went to a Pentecostal service. More than once I felt I accidentally walked into a nuthouse.
But the Church IS the body of Christ on earth -- His Peace, His Grace, His Wisdom, His Love -- anything else is a counterfeit, having the illusion of value based on the ignorance of the observer.
I would not be too excited about something claiming to be truth but off by a degree or two at the center gaining much influence. Its benefits to souls will be tangential to its errors, I would think.
Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters
The furious assault on Osteen, Warren, and others makes the boldface passages that which really frightens the mainstream.
100 year fad?
Stand far away from those who arise and babble and tell you it is the word of God, judgment can't be far from them.
1 Cor. 14:13-19 "Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also. Otherwise if you bless in the spirit only, how will the one who fills the place of the ungifted say the "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying? For you are giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not edified. I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue".
Paul praises God that he speaks in tongues more than all of the Corinthians. He also defines why speaking in tongues is edifiying -- it is praying "in the spirit".
He also says that in church it is more valuable to speak in an understandable language than to speak in tongues.
He doesn't ever say tongues has no value though.
"But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord wills, and I will know, not the word of those who are puffed up, but the power. For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." 1 Cor 4:19-20.
I think Catholics on the whole because of our structure got what was best out of this movement.
However I think Evanglicals and Protestants are now just waking up to the danger this movement is to the faith. The problem is that many Pentecostls cannot be even classified as Christians because of their views on the Trinity. When that gets blurry Doctine starts to go to hell in a hand basket
Amen...tell me how any Christian can read I Corinthians 12-14 and say that the power of the Holy Spirit has no place in the church.
This is not a "fad." Pentecostal and charismatic Christians have been influencing those in the RCC and elsewhere for decades at least.
While there is some oddity in these denominations, and some false doctrine in some congregations, for the most part it's my understanding that they're biblically sound.
The great Puritan Jonathan Edwards, I suppose, could be considered a pastor of one of these holy roller churches, so I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss them as heretical (though, of course, the RCC does consider them anathema)....
i heard that. bloody freakshow.
Must've been a lot like Acts 2. Freaky flames over people's heads, dang weirdos speaking in other languages, some black guy playing a Hammond B3 through a leslie....
Jesus told Naman to dip 7 times in river, he spit in the dirt and healed a blind man, he brought the dead back to life, a lady was healed by touching his clothing...he tells us that by the power of the holy spirit we can do the same things that he did.
However, most of the religious intellecutal elite want to put God into a box and control the way in which the spirit moves. They are politically correct Christians...they don't want to make anyone uncomfortable.
Give me a service where some may seem a little nutty, and some very well may be...over a human intellectually controlled service in which the spirit of God had no room to move any day.
Ping 4 later...
My choice is to avoid both at all costs.
Being that I come from a conservative baptist background, I had the misfortune of belonging to a penecostal church when my family and I moved to n. ca.. I couldn't get past the fact that the pastor's wife wanted so bad for me to speak in my heavenly language. I thought that it would be more important to strive for love, but she was hung up on the speaking in tongues. There was a reason for that in Acts. They had many different tongues they had to preach to, and for that reason they spoke in tongues. They also believe you can lose your salvation, which I consistently opposed. When you accept Christ, truly accept Him, He bought you and you aren't your own any longer.
I've listened to some Pentacostal preachin'. While I like its livelyness and position on issues, its hard for me to listen to it when it turns anti-Catholic, as it does at times.
If a church is growing, which most are not, there will be a LOT of "dropouts."
The reason most churches don't have many dropouts is because they never bring in anybody new.
The movement we would recognize as Pentacostalism began at the Azusa Street revival in 1906.
There are stories of specific Godly discernment throughout the life of the ancient church. Like men of God who would stand at the gates of the cities they lived in and God would speak to them about who to let in and who to keep out during the Black Plagues of the 1200-1300s.
Kenneth LatTourette wrote about a remnant or a thread of the movement of the Spirit of God throughout these last days.
That is, they read the words, but do not heed them.
Repeating words is not exactly the same as understanding them and practicing what they mean.
"i heard that. bloody freakshow."
OOOgA Bekuu ggugg!
Fad??? At the current rate of growth, Pentecostals/Charismatics will be the largest Christian category worldwide by the middle of century.
The article (and many others) refer to charismatics as though the term applies to those who stay within other churches. This is only partially correct. Many charismatic churches (including some of the largest congregations is the US/world) prefer to call themselves non-denominational, rather than pentecostal.
Obviously, the "dropout rate" is lower than the "dropin rate".
That applies to only a small fraction of Pentecostals/Charismatics. 99% are solidly Trinitarian.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN1
PRAISE GOD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!
This has been growing for several decades.
Certainly Joel was right!
DEAR LORD, PLEASE LEAD ALL OF US DEEPER INTO YOURSELF, into your heart; into your priorities. Give us all your passion for your priorities. Help us Love you utterly and wholey and others as ourselves. Help us to love what you love and hate what you hate. Create in us a new heart and a right spirit more and more completely day by day.
Dear Lord, this night, please send angelic assists to the uprising in Iran. Show your self mighty in behalf of all those of good heart and of all those who truly seek You and Your Truth, Oh Lord. IN Jesus' Name.
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Lord, God, may all the naysayers be confronted with your emphatic truths in such phenomena. Show yourself real in this era as in no other.
Help folks realize the priority of the moves of your Spirit in this closing age of history as we have known it.
Lord, you alone are mighty. You alone are Power and Might incarnate. LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED.
Let all who mock Holy Spirit's true functions and operations be humbled by His Presence and His convicting power.
Let all who so glibly naysay find loved ones touched by the Holy Spirit in unmistakable, life-saving ways.
Let the naysayers be silenced in humility. If they stubbornly refuse humility, let them be silenced in humiliation.
In Jesus' Name.
Ditto, after the dancing started and went on and on and on, the preacher gave up and just went with the flow... The message was not given to the flock... Sorta defeated the purpose of teaching IMHO... Sorry... want some meat with my church service...
It's not surprising that the enemy spends a lot of time and effort
THAT OF GOD WHICH IS MOST POSTENT AND EFFICACIOIUS.
Certainly the enemy works hard to pollute, distract, pervert, sideline, make askew that true I Cor 12-14 Operations of Holy Spirit in our era.
But Holy Spirit will win in the end.
The masses of Islamic conversions via DREAMS, VISIONS, VISITATIONS OF THE RISEN LORD are all Holy Spirit operations. Denial of them doesn't change or tarnish the fact of them a microgram's worth.
God loves to confound the wise with HIS FOOLISHNESS.
I've always thought that the Pentecostal sides and flavors of authentic Christianity were His prime examples of that.
And, in my experience, it's been the unknown, no-name sorts of "insignificant," truly humble prayer warriors, prophetesses etc. who've had the most powerful Holy Spirit impacts on my life and ministry.
The naysayers can rant, pontificate, excoriate, rationalize away, deny, play rubber Bible day in year out and Holy Spirit will just keep on doing all the powerful things He does so well.
And, eternity will reveal it all in good time. Then, the mockery etc. will be met with thunderous silence as the humiliated submit to God's ways, God's priorities and God's Spirit.
There is, however, a very serious hazard to ascribing to satan, or the enemy, things that are truly Holy Spirit birthed.
100 year fad?
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INDEED! Actually, 2,000 years old! Just not always in the majority or the limelight.
Judgment is also fittingly slated for those who ascribe to satan or the enemy things truly of Holy Spirit.
Fair enough, have no problem with that at all, actually sounds wonderful... Just didn't like the one service I went to that was all show and no intellectual service. It was more for show it seemed than teaching. I am afraid that some take advantage of this and interfere with giving out of God's bread to the flock.
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INDEED. The 100,000,000+ plus converts to Christianity in China are overwhelmingly the result of miracles of God's might and power in the lives of loved ones and others they know first hand.
Praise God for His faithfulness and that He IS altogether Good; Good all the time; all the time He is Good.
I think that the JESUS ONLY folks hostile to the Trinity--as so many groups have--broke off out of political, psychological dynamics and blamed it on theology.
Thankfully, as horrible as the heresy is, it's not, evidently, the uppermost priority from God's perspective. Not sure why. Seems pretty crucial to me. But He seems quite given to using folks on both sides of the issue.
Who am I to quibble with Him and His ways whether I understand them or not; whether they follow my script, or not.