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Poll: Pentecostals widening influence
Yahoo News ^ | October 5, 2006 | Rachel Zoll

Posted on 10/07/2006 6:40:10 AM PDT by NYer

NEW YORK - A new 10-nation survey of Pentecostal and charismatic Christians, considered the fastest-growing stream of Christianity worldwide, shows they are deeply influencing the Roman Catholic and mainstream Protestant churches and are poised to make a big impact on global affairs. p>The poll released Thursday by the Washington-based Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that "spirit-filled" Christians, who speak in tongues and believe in healing through prayer, comprise at least 10 percent of the population in nine of the 10 surveyed countries.

The study also found that followers are more willing than previously thought to bring their traditional values into public debates, potentially shaping government policies in the years ahead.

The surveys were conducted over the spring and summer in Brazil, Chile, Guatemala, Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa, India, the Philippines, South Korea" /> Researchers polled both Pentecostals, who form their own denominations such as the Assemblies of God, and charismatics, who have adopted some Pentecostal beliefs but remain members of traditional Protestant and Catholic churches.

The survey estimated that Pentecostals and charismatics together comprise at least half the population of Brazil, Guatemala and Kenya, and 44 percent of the Philippines.

They make up about one-third of the population of South Africa and Chile and nearly one-quarter of Nigerians and U.S. residents. The figure for South Korea is smaller, at 11 percent. In India, the poll was limited to three states with large Christian populations, so a national estimate could not be made.

The study found Pentecostal beliefs have a strong hold in major churches in many countries.

In the traditionally Catholic nations of Brazil, Guatemala and the Philippines, charismatics are a larger share of the population than Pentecostals.

In six of the 10 countries, Pentecostals and charismatics together make up the majority of the overall Protestant population, according to the survey.

The Pentecostal movement, which began a century ago in Los Angeles, spread quickly overseas because of its adaptability to local cultures, whose indigenous beliefs often include healings and casting out of evil spirits, and because of the exuberance of its worship.

While Pentecostals and charismatics are known for speaking in tongues, the survey found respondents were more likely to say that they had personally witnessed or experienced other signs of the Holy Spirit, such as a healing through prayer or a direct revelation from God.

The majority of Pentecostals in every nation surveyed except South Korea and India believed religious groups should express their views on social and political issues. In seven of the 10 countries, 70 percent of charismatics agreed.

"These are folks for whom the world of spirit is remarkably alive ... but that in no way diminishes their commitment to social justice for the poor, for instance, or a role for government in meeting those needs," said Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum.

The polls were conducted by phone in the U.S., and in person overseas, with margins of error ranging from plus or minus 4 percentage points to 9 percentage points for some subgroups.

The polls in Brazil, South Africa and South Korea focused on urban areas.


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1 posted on 10/07/2006 6:40:11 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Cool.


2 posted on 10/07/2006 6:41:40 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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3 posted on 10/07/2006 6:42:28 AM PDT by NYer ("It is easier for the earth to exist without sun than without the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. PPio)
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To: NYer

Fads run their course. They also fail to mention that Pentecostalism is the denomination within Christianity with the highest dropout rate. It would seem that you can only play pretend for so long before reality once again sets in.


4 posted on 10/07/2006 6:44:24 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: Old_Mil

I went to a Pentecostal service. More than once I felt I accidentally walked into a nuthouse.


5 posted on 10/07/2006 6:52:10 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Old_Mil
as someone who was "born again" for a long time, I can tell you, this is one fad that cuts both ways. Granted, it was part of my path back to the Church, but, insofar as it is based on positive denials of Truth, it can be a ruinous path indeed. It is often legalistic and unthinking -- that is, fundamentalist -- but I'm not comparing it to Islam, so save the flames. In fact, I used to be stunned when people disdained my religious practices as "fundamentalist" -- I was a seeker of God.

But the Church IS the body of Christ on earth -- His Peace, His Grace, His Wisdom, His Love -- anything else is a counterfeit, having the illusion of value based on the ignorance of the observer.

I would not be too excited about something claiming to be truth but off by a degree or two at the center gaining much influence. Its benefits to souls will be tangential to its errors, I would think.

6 posted on 10/07/2006 6:53:55 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("...Church and state are home to the very same people....")
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To: NYer

bump


7 posted on 10/07/2006 6:54:19 AM PDT by Dark Skies (Allah sez "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.")
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To: NYer

Praise Jesus!

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


8 posted on 10/07/2006 6:56:33 AM PDT by bray (Voting for the Rats is a Deathwish)
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To: NYer
A new 10-nation survey of Pentecostal and charismatic Christians, considered the fastest-growing stream of Christianity worldwide, shows they are deeply influencing the Roman Catholic and mainstream Protestant churches and are poised to make a big impact on global affairs.

The furious assault on Osteen, Warren, and others makes the boldface passages that which really frightens the mainstream.

9 posted on 10/07/2006 6:59:53 AM PDT by 100-Fold_Return (Soros hates MEGA-churches, Televanglists, and Wal-Mart)
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To: Old_Mil

100 year fad?


10 posted on 10/07/2006 7:20:57 AM PDT by svcw
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Stand far away from those who arise and babble and tell you it is the word of God, judgment can't be far from them.


11 posted on 10/07/2006 7:33:37 AM PDT by Maigret
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To: Maigret

1 Cor. 14:13-19 "Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also. Otherwise if you bless in the spirit only, how will the one who fills the place of the ungifted say the "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying? For you are giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not edified. I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue".

Paul praises God that he speaks in tongues more than all of the Corinthians. He also defines why speaking in tongues is edifiying -- it is praying "in the spirit".

He also says that in church it is more valuable to speak in an understandable language than to speak in tongues.

He doesn't ever say tongues has no value though.


12 posted on 10/07/2006 7:44:13 AM PDT by MissionMan (Africa - Bound)
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To: MissionMan
The Pentacostal movement is the result of mainline churches reducing Christianity to faith and knowledge. One of the more interesting passages is:

"But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord wills, and I will know, not the word of those who are puffed up, but the power. For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." 1 Cor 4:19-20.

13 posted on 10/07/2006 7:51:54 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: NYer

I think Catholics on the whole because of our structure got what was best out of this movement.

However I think Evanglicals and Protestants are now just waking up to the danger this movement is to the faith. The problem is that many Pentecostls cannot be even classified as Christians because of their views on the Trinity. When that gets blurry Doctine starts to go to hell in a hand basket


14 posted on 10/07/2006 7:54:44 AM PDT by catholicfreeper (Geaux Tigers SEC FOOTBALL ROCKS)
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To: MissionMan

Amen...tell me how any Christian can read I Corinthians 12-14 and say that the power of the Holy Spirit has no place in the church.


15 posted on 10/07/2006 7:56:24 AM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: NYer

This is not a "fad." Pentecostal and charismatic Christians have been influencing those in the RCC and elsewhere for decades at least.

While there is some oddity in these denominations, and some false doctrine in some congregations, for the most part it's my understanding that they're biblically sound.

The great Puritan Jonathan Edwards, I suppose, could be considered a pastor of one of these holy roller churches, so I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss them as heretical (though, of course, the RCC does consider them anathema)....


16 posted on 10/07/2006 7:56:51 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

i heard that. bloody freakshow.


17 posted on 10/07/2006 8:00:05 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: ameribbean expat; Lunatic Fringe

Must've been a lot like Acts 2. Freaky flames over people's heads, dang weirdos speaking in other languages, some black guy playing a Hammond B3 through a leslie....


18 posted on 10/07/2006 8:05:46 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: ameribbean expat

Jesus told Naman to dip 7 times in river, he spit in the dirt and healed a blind man, he brought the dead back to life, a lady was healed by touching his clothing...he tells us that by the power of the holy spirit we can do the same things that he did.

However, most of the religious intellecutal elite want to put God into a box and control the way in which the spirit moves. They are politically correct Christians...they don't want to make anyone uncomfortable.

Give me a service where some may seem a little nutty, and some very well may be...over a human intellectually controlled service in which the spirit of God had no room to move any day.


19 posted on 10/07/2006 8:06:10 AM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: NYer

Ping 4 later...


20 posted on 10/07/2006 8:16:03 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (All of the answers remain available; Wisdom is gained by asking the right questions!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I'd rather walk into a Jesus freak house than a slaughter house where folk are constantly reminded to submit or be beheaded!!...ANYTIME!
21 posted on 10/07/2006 8:41:54 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: RoseofTexas
I'd rather walk into a Jesus freak house than a slaughter house where folk are constantly reminded to submit or be beheaded!!

My choice is to avoid both at all costs.

22 posted on 10/07/2006 8:53:09 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: 100-Fold_Return
makes the boldface passages that which really frightens the mainstream.

Yes, some of us are old enough to remember the last "big impact on global affairs"...millions murdered.
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23 posted on 10/07/2006 8:56:35 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Being that I come from a conservative baptist background, I had the misfortune of belonging to a penecostal church when my family and I moved to n. ca.. I couldn't get past the fact that the pastor's wife wanted so bad for me to speak in my heavenly language. I thought that it would be more important to strive for love, but she was hung up on the speaking in tongues. There was a reason for that in Acts. They had many different tongues they had to preach to, and for that reason they spoke in tongues. They also believe you can lose your salvation, which I consistently opposed. When you accept Christ, truly accept Him, He bought you and you aren't your own any longer.


24 posted on 10/07/2006 8:58:37 AM PDT by Not just another dumb blonde
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To: NYer

I've listened to some Pentacostal preachin'. While I like its livelyness and position on issues, its hard for me to listen to it when it turns anti-Catholic, as it does at times.


25 posted on 10/07/2006 9:18:32 AM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: Old_Mil
Pentecostalism is the denomination within Christianity with the highest dropout rate.

If a church is growing, which most are not, there will be a LOT of "dropouts."

The reason most churches don't have many dropouts is because they never bring in anybody new.

26 posted on 10/07/2006 9:30:51 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: mugs99
"Yes, some of us are old enough to remember the last "big impact on global affairs"...millions murdered."

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27 posted on 10/07/2006 11:45:24 AM PDT by 100-Fold_Return (Soros hates MEGA-churches, Televanglists, and Wal-Mart)
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To: svcw
100 year fad?

It's been around for a hundred years, but hasn't been popular for much of that time. The TBN faith healers, prosperity preachers, and false prophets running around claiming false miracles are what has boosted interest.
28 posted on 10/07/2006 12:04:21 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: 100-Fold_Return
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Germany. 1930s.
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29 posted on 10/07/2006 12:17:00 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: NYer
Blessed be God and praise to His Holy Name. Let everything that has breath praise the Lord!
30 posted on 10/07/2006 12:41:07 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (wahhabi delenda est)
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To: WKB

ping


31 posted on 10/07/2006 3:19:50 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Old_Mil

The movement we would recognize as Pentacostalism began at the Azusa Street revival in 1906.

There are stories of specific Godly discernment throughout the life of the ancient church. Like men of God who would stand at the gates of the cities they lived in and God would speak to them about who to let in and who to keep out during the Black Plagues of the 1200-1300s.

Kenneth LatTourette wrote about a remnant or a thread of the movement of the Spirit of God throughout these last days.


32 posted on 10/07/2006 5:13:50 PM PDT by MissionMan (Africa - Bound)
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To: NYer
If they ain't too busy compelling women to using oatmeal boxes for hair curlers, and harping on passages that are largely used for relegating women to the back of the ecclesiastical bus, then they might actually get taken serious by intelligent people some day.

Don't count on that happening anytime soon.

Many are doctrinally, rather scripturally correct, but in other ways, there is little distinction b/n them and the Taliban.

That is, they read the words, but do not heed them.

Repeating words is not exactly the same as understanding them and practicing what they mean.

33 posted on 10/07/2006 5:27:12 PM PDT by Radix (Due to time constraints, I can for the time being not review my pings.)
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To: ameribbean expat

"i heard that. bloody freakshow."

 

You seem unwilling to appreciate the metaphor.  I'd advise you to read more. Perhaps you might appreciate some time the psalms, and a whole lot more.
 
 
2 Samuel 6 :16....And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.
 
...... 
 
2 Samuel 6 : 23....Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
 
 
Saul's Daughter Michal Watching David Dance Before the Ark
 
If you do not understand the metaphor(s), then perhaps a bit more reading might be in order.

34 posted on 10/07/2006 5:47:17 PM PDT by Radix (Due to time constraints, I can for the time being not review my pings.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

OOOgA Bekuu ggugg!


35 posted on 10/07/2006 5:52:26 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Old_Mil
Fads run their course.

      Fad???  At the current rate of growth, Pentecostals/Charismatics will be the largest Christian category worldwide by the middle of century.

      The article (and many others) refer to charismatics as though the term applies to those who stay within other churches.  This is only partially correct.  Many charismatic churches (including some of the largest congregations is the US/world) prefer to call themselves non-denominational, rather than pentecostal.

      Obviously, the "dropout rate" is lower than the "dropin rate".

36 posted on 10/07/2006 6:52:42 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: catholicfreeper
The problem is that many Pentecostls cannot be even classified as Christians because of their views on the Trinity

      That applies to only a small fraction of Pentecostals/Charismatics.  99% are solidly Trinitarian.

37 posted on 10/07/2006 6:58:28 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: NYer; Alamo-Girl; airborne; American in Israel; AnimalLover; auggy; backhoe; backslacker; ...

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN1

PRAISE GOD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!

This has been growing for several decades.

Certainly Joel was right!

DEAR LORD, PLEASE LEAD ALL OF US DEEPER INTO YOURSELF, into your heart; into your priorities. Give us all your passion for your priorities. Help us Love you utterly and wholey and others as ourselves. Help us to love what you love and hate what you hate. Create in us a new heart and a right spirit more and more completely day by day.

Dear Lord, this night, please send angelic assists to the uprising in Iran. Show your self mighty in behalf of all those of good heart and of all those who truly seek You and Your Truth, Oh Lord. IN Jesus' Name.

PING END TIMES/DREAMS/VISIONS/PROPHECY PING LIST

Please let me know if you want on or off the list.


38 posted on 10/07/2006 7:31:45 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: JockoManning; All

Lord, God, may all the naysayers be confronted with your emphatic truths in such phenomena. Show yourself real in this era as in no other.

Help folks realize the priority of the moves of your Spirit in this closing age of history as we have known it.

Lord, you alone are mighty. You alone are Power and Might incarnate. LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED.

Let all who mock Holy Spirit's true functions and operations be humbled by His Presence and His convicting power.

Let all who so glibly naysay find loved ones touched by the Holy Spirit in unmistakable, life-saving ways.

Let the naysayers be silenced in humility. If they stubbornly refuse humility, let them be silenced in humiliation.

In Jesus' Name.


39 posted on 10/07/2006 7:38:25 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I went to a Pentecostal service. More than once I felt I accidentally walked into a nuthouse.

Ditto, after the dancing started and went on and on and on, the preacher gave up and just went with the flow... The message was not given to the flock... Sorta defeated the purpose of teaching IMHO... Sorry... want some meat with my church service...

40 posted on 10/07/2006 7:43:04 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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To: NYer; rightwingintelligentsia

Most interesting.


41 posted on 10/07/2006 7:45:45 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla.)
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To: the invisib1e hand; All

It's not surprising that the enemy spends a lot of time and effort

counterfeiting

THAT OF GOD WHICH IS MOST POSTENT AND EFFICACIOIUS.

Certainly the enemy works hard to pollute, distract, pervert, sideline, make askew that true I Cor 12-14 Operations of Holy Spirit in our era.

But Holy Spirit will win in the end.

The masses of Islamic conversions via DREAMS, VISIONS, VISITATIONS OF THE RISEN LORD are all Holy Spirit operations. Denial of them doesn't change or tarnish the fact of them a microgram's worth.

God loves to confound the wise with HIS FOOLISHNESS.

I've always thought that the Pentecostal sides and flavors of authentic Christianity were His prime examples of that.

And, in my experience, it's been the unknown, no-name sorts of "insignificant," truly humble prayer warriors, prophetesses etc. who've had the most powerful Holy Spirit impacts on my life and ministry.

The naysayers can rant, pontificate, excoriate, rationalize away, deny, play rubber Bible day in year out and Holy Spirit will just keep on doing all the powerful things He does so well.

And, eternity will reveal it all in good time. Then, the mockery etc. will be met with thunderous silence as the humiliated submit to God's ways, God's priorities and God's Spirit.

There is, however, a very serious hazard to ascribing to satan, or the enemy, things that are truly Holy Spirit birthed.


42 posted on 10/07/2006 7:49:24 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: 100-Fold_Return

Well put.


43 posted on 10/07/2006 7:49:56 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: metmom; tutstar; Fiddlstix; somniferum; WKUHilltopper; DieHard the Hunter; NZerFromHK; Miss Maam; ..

Baptiscostal Ping


44 posted on 10/07/2006 7:49:57 PM PDT by WKB (I Refuse To Have A Battle Of Wits With An Unarmed Person.)
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To: svcw

100 year fad?

!!!! LOL !!!!

INDEED! Actually, 2,000 years old! Just not always in the majority or the limelight.


45 posted on 10/07/2006 7:50:37 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Maigret

Judgment is also fittingly slated for those who ascribe to satan or the enemy things truly of Holy Spirit.


46 posted on 10/07/2006 7:51:21 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: MissionMan

AMEN!


47 posted on 10/07/2006 7:51:42 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: KsSunflower
Give me a service where some may seem a little nutty, and some very well may be...over a human intellectually controlled service in which the spirit of God had no room to move any day.

Fair enough, have no problem with that at all, actually sounds wonderful... Just didn't like the one service I went to that was all show and no intellectual service. It was more for show it seemed than teaching. I am afraid that some take advantage of this and interfere with giving out of God's bread to the flock.

48 posted on 10/07/2006 7:59:01 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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To: aimhigh
"But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord wills, and I will know, not the word of those who are puffed up, but the power. For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." 1 Cor 4:19-20.

= = = = =

INDEED. The 100,000,000+ plus converts to Christianity in China are overwhelmingly the result of miracles of God's might and power in the lives of loved ones and others they know first hand.

The individual
--a majority with God--
with
an authentic
experience
need
NEVER
be at the mercy
of the poor bloke
with
merely
an argument.

Praise God for His faithfulness and that He IS altogether Good; Good all the time; all the time He is Good.

49 posted on 10/07/2006 7:59:07 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: catholicfreeper

I think that the JESUS ONLY folks hostile to the Trinity--as so many groups have--broke off out of political, psychological dynamics and blamed it on theology.

Thankfully, as horrible as the heresy is, it's not, evidently, the uppermost priority from God's perspective. Not sure why. Seems pretty crucial to me. But He seems quite given to using folks on both sides of the issue.

Who am I to quibble with Him and His ways whether I understand them or not; whether they follow my script, or not.


50 posted on 10/07/2006 8:01:08 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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