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Who Said What When (Robt. Novak)
WeeklyStandard ^ | 10-16-06 | Robert Novak

Posted on 10/07/2006 11:22:24 AM PDT by STARWISE

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To: piasa

MEI's president is Wyche Fowler, who is describes as a "close friend" of Prince Turki Al-Faisal.


51 posted on 10/07/2006 5:39:27 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Alas Babylon!; sphinx; Cindy; Howlin; backhoe
Democrat October Surprises
52 posted on 10/07/2006 5:43:51 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Fedora

I would like to know how close Paul Pillar was to Valerie Plame.

Also, it is clear at this point that the State Department hooked up with a group of rogues at the CIA to try to fix the '04 Presidential election and I hope to someday see a "family tree" of the whole operation.

More than that, I would love to see the President of the United States use every power at his disposal to bury these people forever.

Regards,
LH


53 posted on 10/07/2006 6:22:52 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard; piasa; the Real fifi
Also, it is clear at this point that the State Department hooked up with a group of rogues at the CIA to try to fix the '04 Presidential election and I hope to someday see a "family tree" of the whole operation.

Pillar and Drumheller were two big ones at CIA, IMO. Some other names to keep an eye on:

This Is Called “Picking The Wrong Guy To Argue With”

If one is to tangle with Christopher Hitchens, one had better come well-prepared, a lesson David Corn has learned the hard way. Corn purports to show Hitchens is wrong about Niger (and by extension, about Joe Wilson) here:

"In mid-October 2002, a nuclear analyst named Simon Dodge in the State Department’s intelligence division was forwarded copies of documents purporting to outline a recent sale of 500 tons of yellowcake uranium—which can be enriched for use in nuclear weapons—from the impoverished African nation of Niger to Iraq. As he reviewed the papers—which had been handed to the U.S. Embassy in Italy by an Italian journalist who had received them from a not-so-credible paid source—Dodge zeroed in on a bizarre companion document. It described a secret 2002 meeting at the home of the Iraqi ambassador in Rome of representatives of the world’s outlaw states—Iraq, Iran, Sudan, and Libya (and Pakistan, too). The purpose of this session was to form a clandestine alliance against the West and to concoct a “plan of action” for “Global Support.”

"Iran and Iraq in a secret pact to create a partnership of rogue states? This was something out of James Bond—or Austin Powers. Dodge considered it “completely implausible,” as he later told congressional investigators. Yet this memo bore the same “funky” (as he saw it) embassy of Niger stamp that appeared on the uranium-deal papers.

"That was, for Dodge, a telltale sign. If the uranium-agreement papers were coming from the same source as the outlandish rogue-state alliance memo (and bearing the same suspect markings), they, too, must be fishy. He concluded that the entire set of papers from Italy was likely fraudulent and e-mailed that assessment to colleagues within the intelligence community. Three months later, he reiterated his concerns in a Jan. 12, 2003, e-mail to other intelligence-community analysts and warned that the uranium-purchase agreement “probably is a hoax.”

"…Dodge’s evaluation should have ended all talk within the Bush administration about Saddam Hussein’s supposed pursuit of uranium in Niger.

Hitchens responds. . .[Cont.]

Lying Us into War

The INR memo's circulation cover says clearly that only Grossman received the June 10 version. Armitage may have gotten "it"--but if so, it may have violated SCI (which is something Bolton was reknowned for). And the two memos clearly show that it was readdressed to Powell (and that a reference to whom we now know to be Simon Dodge--who doesn't show up in Google at all--was removed).

How Many Times Did Libby Talk To Novak?

The INR memo makes clear that State was responding to allegations that INR had some involvement in Wilson's trip, and was being blamed for not reporting back to OVP. The only connection to Wilson's trip and State was Wilson's visit to Kansteiner, and Rohn's memo. Since Rohn and Simon Dodge weren't available when Silver wrote his memo, that leaves only Silver and Kansteiner (and his deputy, per Wilson's book) available to be among the state dept personnel who could or would be saying Wilson's wife was responsible for Wilson's trip (per the indictment, where Grossman tells Libby, in late May or early June that "state department personnel" were saying Valerie sent Joe.

Top Counterterrorism Officer Removed Amid Turmoil at CIA

Charlie Siddel, the station chief in Amman, Jordan, took early retirement late last year when he was recalled to headquarters. In the fall, the head of the European division [Drumheller], whose undercover role included overseeing the hunt for al Qaeda on the continent, also left.

Call for CIA probe into Iran dissident 'leak'

Curt Weldon, vice-chairman of the House armed services committee, told the FT he wants the CIA to investigate whether Bill Murray, a former CIA Paris station chief, disclosed the identity of “Ali,” the alias used by a Paris-based Iranian dissident which he says was classified. . .

Mr Murray says he warned Mr Weldon that Ali was a fabricator the night before the congressman met Ali and Mr Ghorbanifar in Paris last year, which Mr Weldon said is “an absolute lie”.

Mr Weldon said the CIA is trying to protect its reputation. He accused Steven Kappes, former CIA deputy director of operations, of lying by saying he would arrange for a CIA operative to meet Ali, only to learn that he was interviewed instead by French intelligence. Former senior officials say the French met Ali after he alleged that Iranians were planning to assassinate former President George Bush. Mr Murray later met Ali on several occasions.

Mr Weldon also said he threw Mr Kappes out of a meeting in Moscow in 1999 when Mr Kappes was CIA station chief because he believed embassy officials had lied about their ability to contact a source he wanted to meet. But former officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Mr Kappes was not present.

James Woolsey, former director of the CIA who endorsed Mr Weldon's book as "a case study of an intelligence failure with potentially catastrophic consequences for the US" on Wednesday said he had no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Ali. But he said he generally agreed with Mr Weldon's criticisms of the CIA.

"I don't know Ali," said Mr Woolsey. "But I have a good deal of confidence in Curt Weldon.

I won't pretend to know where the truth lies between the various contending allegations mentioned above--I would certainly want to hear all sides of the story before drawing conclusions--but the controversy itself is at least is a striking piece of data, and gives some clues to how the sides lined up.

54 posted on 10/07/2006 7:46:16 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Thank you for the very interesting post. As far as the discrepancies between what Weldon says and what the various CIA bureaucrats say, I put my money on Weldon telling the truth because he has the least motivation to lie.

BTW, please ping me when your full column is completed.

Regards,
LH


55 posted on 10/07/2006 7:58:55 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Will do!


56 posted on 10/07/2006 8:12:04 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
He concluded that the entire set of papers from Italy was likely fraudulent and e-mailed that assessment to colleagues within the intelligence community.

The cover letter on those documents was real- an invitation from Iraq to an official in Niger to visit Baghdad.

57 posted on 10/07/2006 8:15:13 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Brilliant

Why, he is calling a liar a liar!

Pray for W and Our Troops


58 posted on 10/07/2006 8:19:24 PM PDT by bray (Voting for the Rats is a Deathwish)
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To: Fedora
"In mid-October 2002, a nuclear analyst named Simon Dodge in the State Department’s intelligence division was forwarded copies of documents purporting to outline a recent sale of 500 tons of yellowcake uranium—which can be enriched for use in nuclear weapons—from the impoverished African nation of Niger to Iraq. As he reviewed the papers—which had been handed to the U.S. Embassy in Italy by an Italian journalist who had received them from a not-so-credible paid source—Dodge zeroed in on a bizarre companion document. It described a secret 2002 meeting at the home of the Iraqi ambassador in Rome of representatives of the world’s outlaw states—Iraq, Iran, Sudan, and Libya (and Pakistan, too). The purpose of this session was to form a clandestine alliance against the West and to concoct a “plan of action” for “Global Support.”

AUGUST 2002 - MARCH 15?, 2003 : (RAND BEERS IS A WHITE HOUSE ANTI-TERRORISM ADVISOR) After working at the National Security Council for 35 years, under presidents Ronald Reagan, George Bush and Bill Clinton, Beers, 60, had been the main counter-terrorism advisor from August [2002] until his resignation in March [2003]. ------- "Former security advisor says Bush failing to counter terror threat ," AFP via Yahoo, Mon Jun 16, 2003 2:36 PM ET

* My note: March 2003 was when the bad Foley/Page IMs/emails started, weren't they?

SEPTEMBER 2002 - JULY 2003 : (CAPITOL HILL BLUE'S DOUG THOMPSON USES "TERRANCE J. WILKERSON" AS A SOURCE IN SIX STORIES AS AN UNNAMED SOURCE, AS A NAMED SOURCE IN ONE OTHER)

SEPTEMBER 14, 2002 : (AFTER FLYING INTO IRAQ FROM SYRIA, FORMER US SENATOR JAMES ABOUREZK, US REPRESENTATIVE NICK J. RAHALL AND TWO OTHER AMERICANS - NORMAN SOLOMON EXEC DIRECTOR OF THE 'INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC ACCURACY' & JAMES JENNINGS, PRESIDENT OF 'CONSCIENCE INTERNATIONAL, ' MEET WITH IRAQI HEALTH MINISTER OMED MEDHAT MUBARAK)

COTOBER 1, 2002 : (REPORT : IRAQ & SOUTH AFRICA AXIS) The Iraqi regime is turning increasingly to South Africa to procure nuclear materials and forbidden equipment needed for its weapons programs, INC sources tell Insight. A top Iraqi intelligence official, Nadhim Jabouri, has been dispatched to the Iraqi embassy in Johannesburg to handle contacts with South African nuclear engineers. He also is in touch with Armscor, the state armaments directorate (also known as Denel), which supplied Iraq with advanced 155 mm howitzers during the Iran-Iraq war. To grease the skids and arrange travel documents, Iraqi procurement agents operating in Amman, Jordan, go through the first secretary of the South African embassy, Shoeman du Plessis. The willingness of the South African government to sell nuclear material and weapons to Iraq, and their fear of getting caught, could explain the virulent outburst by former South African president Nelson Mandela, who told Newsweek recently that the U.S. — not Saddam Hussein — presents "a threat to world peace." - "How Saddam Got Weapons of Mass Destruction" By Kenneth R. Timmerman, Insight Magazine via WorldNetDaily.com , Tuesday, October 1, 2002

See : MAY 10, 2002 : (REPORT : SOUTH AFRICA HAS BEEN SELLING ALUMINUM TUBES TO IRAQ; SOUTH AFRICAN EMBASSY OFFICIAL IN JORDAN PLAYED MIDDLEMAN) "Well, Mr Mandela's country has been busy selling aluminium tubes for uranium enrichment centrifuges to Saddam. The first secretary of the South African embassy in Jordan is serving as the local sales rep to Iraqi procurement agents. Thanks to these sterling efforts, they're bringing significantly closer the day when the entire Middle East, much of Africa and even Europe will be under the Saddamite nuclear umbrella and thus safe from Bush's aggression." - Mark Steyn, Spectator, MAy 10, 2002 via "SA reportedly assisting Iraq with nuclear weapons - DA requests clarity from govt," October 8, 2002 , http://www.woza.co.za/oct02/da08.htm

* Note that May 2002 was when the Daschle and Senate Intel leaks from Democrat staffers on the Senate Intel committee occured concening the briefings Bush received in Aug 2001

JUNE 18, 2002? check date: (ANTHRAX ISSUE : SENIOR STAFF AIDES TO SENATORS DASCHLE, LEAHY AND ANOTHER UNNAMED SENATOR MEET WITH FOUR FBI AGENTS AND DR BARBARA HATCH ROSENBERG) As 2002 proceeded, there were numerous Rosenberg references, Kristof’s “Mr.Z” musings, etc. The Hatfill/Domestic theory gained wide circulation, his name well known by June. To end here, here’s an article from the Boston Globe: ...After she left the room, the FBI agents forcefully denied to the congressional aides - some of whom worked for two Democratic senators who had been targets of the anthrax killer, Thomas A. Daschle, Democrat of South Dakota and the majority leader, and Patrick Leahy, Democrat of Vermont and the Judiciary Committee chairman - that they would overlook anyone suspected of causing five deaths. But the media were reporting Rosenberg's concerns as well, citing circumstantial evidence that pointed to a government employee, and were chiding the FBI for its lack of progress....

OCTOBER 2002 first week : (THIS IS THE WEEK JOHN KERRY LATER [IN AUGUST 2004] CLAIMED HE MET WITH THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL - note that this would be a violation of the law) "I believe in my heart of hearts and in my gut that this president fails that test in Iraq. And I know this because I, personally, and others were deeply involved in the effort with other countries to bring them to the table. I met with the Security Council of the United Nations in the week preceding the vote in the Senate." --- "Kerry Claims He Met with Security Council of United Nations over Iraq (OOPS - FOREIGN LEADER ALERT)," John Kerry / Unity Conference, CNN , 8/7/2004, http:/www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0408/05/lt.02.html

OCTOBER 7, 2002 : (TENET LETTER) The CIA has had “solid reporting” of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda over the past 10 years, Tenet wrote in the letter. The contacts have discussed safe haven arrangements and reciprocal nonaggresssion, he wrote. Since the war on terrorism began last year, there has been evidence that al-Qaeda members have been in Iraq, including Baghdad, he wrote.

“We have credible reporting that al-Qaeda leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities,” Tenet wrote. “The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al-Qaeda members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs” --------New York Times, Oct. 8. 2002

OCTOBER 8, 2002 : (IRAQI DEFECTORS ACCUSE SOUTH AFRICA OF BEING INVOLVED IN IRAQ'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM; IRAQI AGENT NADHIM JABOURI HAD BEEN SENT TO SOUTH AFRICA TO ARRANGE PURCHASES OF SPECIALIZED ALUMINUM TUBES) Renewed suspicion has been cast over SA's possible involvement in the Iraqi nuclear weapons programme, with allegations by a former Baghdad intelligence officer surfacing in a US magazine. The Democratic Alliance has written to three government ministers to ask about the claim that SA had been supplying Iraq with special aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium to a weapons grade in centrifuges. The allegations came in a recent article published in Insight magazine an insert in the Washington Times and were repeated by Mark Steyn, a columnist writing in last week's Spectator a weekly magazine based in London. Sales of such tubes to Iraq would violate United Nations security council resolution 687 of 1991, which prohibits the transfer of technology that has a civilian as well as military use. Following a recent statement in a British government report on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, that Baghdad had attempted to acquire "significant quantities of uranium in Africa", the SA government denied that it had tried to do so in SA. Comment on the latest allegations was not available from government last night.

The article in Insight by journalist Kenneth Timmerman quotes a former Iraqi intelligence officer as saying that Baghdad had bought specialised magnets from Germany and aluminum tubes from SA. According to Insight, the Iraqi intelligence officer is associated with a broad-based group opposed to Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi National Congress (INC).

Insight quoted the INC as saying that Iraq "is turning increasingly to SA to procure nuclear materials and forbidden equipment needed for its weapons programmes". The article saida top Iraqi intelligence official, Nadhim Jabouri, had been sent to the Iraqi embassy in SA, which Insight said mistakenly was in Johannesburg. According to the Iraqi embassy in Pretoria, no one by that names works there.

Insight said that to arrange travel documents, Iraqi agents in Amman, Jordan, went through a senior diplomat based at the SA embassy.

Most nuclear weapons programmes, including the one dismantled by SA in the early 1990s, would use aluminum tubes in the process of uranium enrichment. Manufactured to high tolerances, the tubes are used because of the highly reactive and toxic nature of uranium hexafluoride gas, which is separated into lighter and heavier isotopes by a centrifuge. - "IRAQ ALLEGEDLY SOUGHT SA NUCLEAR MATERIAL," Business Day (South Africa), 8th October , http://www.bday.co.za/bday/content/direct/1,3523,1194892-6094-0,00.html 8 posted on 07/23/2003 1:15 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)

OCTOBER 8, 2002 : (REPORT : SOUTH AFRICA DENIES THAT IRAQ TRIED TO OBTAIN URANIUM FROM SOUTH AFRICA) RENEWED suspicion has been cast over SA's possible involvement in the Iraqi nuclear weapons programme, with allegations by a former Baghdad intelligence officer surfacing in a US magazine. The Democratic Alliance has written to three government ministers to ask about the claim that SA had been supplying Iraq with special aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium to a weapons grade in centrifuges. The allegations came in a recent article published in Insight magazine an insert in the Washington Times and were repeated by Mark Steyn, a columnist writing in last week's Spectator a weekly magazine based in London. Sales of such tubes to Iraq would violate United Nations security council resolution 687 of 1991, which prohibits the transfer of technology that has a civilian as well as military use. Following a recent statement in a British government report on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, that Baghdad had attempted to acquire "significant quantities of uranium in Africa", the SA government denied that it had tried to do so in SA. Comment on the latest allegations was not available from government last night. ------- "Iraq allegedly sought SA nuclear material," Business Day, Oct 08 2002 12:00:00:000AM Jonathan Katzenellenbogen, International Affairs Editor, Business Day 1st Edition, of http://www.bday.co.za/bday/content/direct/1,3523,1194892-6094-0,00.html.

OCTOBER 9, 2002 : (AP REPORTS THAT IRAQ HAS REBUILT SEVERAL SITES ASSOCIATED WITH ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAM - SEE THE AL-FURAT CENTRIFUGE DEVELOPMENT CENTER) U.S. officials have said that Iraq has rebuilt several sites that were associated in the past with the country’s nuclear weapons program, possibly indicating increased efforts to develop a weapon, the Associated Press reported today. New structures have been built at al-Furat centrifuge development center, the Nassr/Taji Steel Fabrication and Military Production Facility, al-Qa’im uranium ore refinery and the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center, the AP reported. All four sites were damaged during the 1991 Gulf War and U.S. and British airstrikes conducted in 1998. A recently released CIA report said that Iraq has attempted several times to obtain aluminum tubes for use in a uranium-enrichment centrifuge, placing special importance on al-Furat [centrifuge development center] , according to the AP (see GSN, Oct. 7). The Nassr/Taji [Steel Fabrication and Military Production ] facility contains much of the precision manufacturing equipment that would be needed in a nuclear program, a U.S. defense official said (Matt Kelley, Associated Press/Yahoo.com, Oct. 9, 2002).

OCTOBER 10, 2002 : (US HOUSE APPROVES JOINT RESOLUTION ON THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ) Congress adopted joint resolution authorizing use of force against Iraq. The Republican-controlled House voted 296 to 133 to allow the president to use the military "against the continuing threat" posed by the Iraqi regime. The Democratic-run Senate followed at 1:15 a.m. 11 October with a vote of 77 to 23 for the measure. - http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq-timeline.htm.

OCTOBER 11, 2002 : (US SENATE APPROVES JOINT WAR RESOLUTION) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions." --- "Senate approves Iraq war resolution: Administration applauds vote, CNN, Friday, October 11, 2002 Posted: 12:35 PM EDT

OCTOBER 11, 2002 : (PERHAPS AS PART OF SADDAM HUSSEIN'S EFFORT TO DERAIL A LOOMING WAR THAT MIGHT TOPPLE HIM, FORMER SOUTH AFRICAN PRESIDENT NELSON MANDELA RANTS AGAINST BUSH AND THE US, CALLING THE UNITED STATES "A DANGER TO WORLD PEACE") In an extraordinary twist to the current tensions between the United States and Iraq, former South African president (and Nobel Peace Prize winner) Nelson Mandela has not only sided strongly against President George W. Bush, but appears on the point of being recruited to a stratagem by Saddam Hussein to block U.S. military intervention.
Mandela has uttered stronger and stronger statements critical of Bush. Originally he attempted to telephone the U.S. President to communicate his views, but Bush did not take his calls, so Mandela phoned ex-president George Bush Sr. to complain about his son and ask for his criticisms to be passed on. When this failed to move Bush Jr., Mandela declared the U.S. threat of pre-emptive war to bring about regime change in Iraq meant that the United States, not Iraq, was now "a danger to world peace." He followed this up by announcing that "some people" were saying that the United States was flouting the United Nations' authority because Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary-General, was a black man. ---- "Mandela picks Iraq over U.S.," by R.W. Johnson, National Post, October 11 2002 , http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/767623/posts

OCTOBER 12, 2002 : (BOMBING OF BALI NIGHTCLUB) The bombings killed 191 people, about half of them Australians. Seven Americans died in the attack---? ****** All indicators received till now point to its being a terrorist strike, most probably connected to the first anniversary of the beginning of the US air strikes in Afghanistan on October 7 and the preparations for a possible US-UK intervention in Iraq to have President Saddam Hussein overthrown. ------ 170 people dead after bomb blasts in Bali "At least 183 dead in Bali bombings," CNN
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The talk in Pakistani madrasas has been that from now onwards members of the International Islamic Front would conduct a well-orchestrated series of terrorist attacks against Western nationals and interests in different parts of the world as warning signals to pre-empt US-UK military strikes against Iraq. The attacks on the French tanker off Yemen and in Bali were apparently part of this planned series and more are likely as the US and the UK go ahead with their preparations for an attack on Iraq for the overthrow of President Saddam Hussein. -- "Indonesian terror groups want to establish Islamic Caliphate in South East Asia, " by B Raman, Rediff , Oct 14, 2002

OCTOBER 15, 2002 : (REPORT : UK'S INTELLIGENCE SERVICE MI6 HAS UNCOVERED FRENCH, GERMAN AND SOUTH AFRICAN EQUIPPING OF IRAQ; SAY IRAQI INTELLIGENCE OFFICER NADHIM JABOURI MAKES CONTACT WITH SOUTH AFRICAN NUCLEAR ENGINEERS AND ARMSCOR OFFICIALS) An MI6 investigation has uncovered how France, Germany and South Africa have equipped Iraq with almost £1 billion of equipment capable of being used to boost Saddam's arsenal. The sales have been approved by the UN sanctions committee after "intense lobbying" from the countries involved - and supported by China and Russia. Both already have substantial trade deals with Iraq.   UN Resolution 1409, adopted last May, allows exports to Iraq of a wide range of equipment with military applications. Agricultural sprayers which could be adapted to disperse biological weapons. Fibre-optics and telecommunications hardware have a dual capability of creating a powerful air-defence network. Much of this equipment has come from Europe's leading technology giants - Siemens in Germany and Alcatel in France.
All were sold for civilian use only. But some of the equipment includes neutron generators which UN weapons inspectors discovered were key components in the crude gun-implosion nuclear device Iraq had created before the 1991 Gulf War.
Last week [early Oct 2002], a top Iraqi intelligence officer, Nadhim Jabouri, arrived at the Iraqi embassy in Pretoria to pursue contacts with South African nuclear engineers and meet with senior officials at Armscor, the country's arms corporation.
MI6 believe Jabouri's task is to obtain the vital aluminium tubes needed for the enrichment centrifuges to produce a nuclear bomb.
The MI6 report says the willingness of the South African government to help Iraq lies behind the extraordinary outburst by the country's former president, Nelson Mandela, who recently branded President Bush as "a threat to world peace" - not Saddam Hussein.
But it is Europe's role in helping Saddam that will cause fury in Washington and London.   In Iraq the operation is controlled by Saddam's older son, Uday.   Central to it is freeing large sums of money from Iraq's blocked account in the Banque Nationale de Paris. The money is deposited in the bank's New York branch. Once the UN sanctions committee approves an export licence to Iraq, the money is freed. "Uday relies on middlemen to sign the contracts for food and medicine. But in reality the contracts are for dual purpose equipment", an Iraqi defector has told MI6 investigators. -- "MI6 Report Reveals How France, Germany And South Africa Boost Saddam's Arsenal," by Gordon Thomas, Globe Intel, 10/15/02 , http://www.gordonthomas.ie/, page http://www.life-info.de/inh1./texte/GLOBE_INTEL2.html.

OCTOBER 2002 midmonth : (SIMON DODGE ALLEGEDY RECEIVES DOCUMENTS REPORTING THE SALE OF 500 TONS OF YELLOWCAKE FROM NIGER TO IRAQ [as I recall some reports said IRAN] ) In mid-October 2002, a nuclear analyst named Simon Dodge in the State Department’s intelligence division was forwarded copies of documents purporting to outline a recent sale of 500 tons of yellowcake uranium—which can be enriched for use in nuclear weapons—from the impoverished African nation of Niger to Iraq. As he reviewed the papers—which had been handed to the U.S. Embassy in Italy by an Italian journalist who had received them from a not-so-credible paid source—Dodge zeroed in on a bizarre companion document. It described a secret 2002 meeting at the home of the Iraqi ambassador in Rome of representatives of the world’s outlaw states—Iraq, Iran, Sudan, and Libya (and Pakistan, too). The purpose of this session was to form a clandestine alliance against the West and to concoct a “plan of action” for “Global Support.”

* I wonder if Simon could be Doug Thompson's invisible friend "Terrance J. Wilkerson" from the Sept 2002 Cap Hill Blue articles that were so quickly dleted from the web. OCTOBER 2002 : (IRAQ : ARCHBISHOP HILARION CAPUCCI & FATHER BENJAMIN HOLD PRESS CONFERENCE DURING THEIR TRIP TO BAGHDAD TO OPPOSE THE WAR) In October 2002, Capucci and Benjamin held a press conference during a trip to Baghdad to oppose a U.S.-led war. “If Bush attacks Iraq, the resentment and hatred of the Arab-Islamic world will be accentuated against him personally and against the interests of the American people,” Capucci warned.     
Privately, Israeli sources express irritation at this activity, arguing that it violates the spirit of their agreement with the Holy See. Vatican officials say Capucci has no official church assignment and speaks only for himself, though they concede that no canonical process has ever been brought against him. --- "And tonight’s guest is … Vatican plays host to an uneasy world," Vatican Correspondent, John Allen, http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word0221.htm as retrieved on Jun 28, 2004

AUGUST 2002 : (ROME, ITALY : FR DAVID MARIA JAEGER COMMENTS ON ARCHBISHOP HILARION CAPUCCI'S PAST) To call Capucci’s past “checkered” would be an under-statement. He first came to public attention when he was arrested on August 18, 1974, by Israeli security forces in after returning to Jerusalem from a trip to Lebanon. His car was found stuffed with TNT and guns headed for the Palestinian Liberation Organization. 
     At the time, Israeli interrogators said Capucci had blamed “blackmail” by Al Fatah guerillas, claiming that they had threatened him with physical force and “disclosure of actions that might threaten his position in the church.” In August 2002, Franciscan Fr. David Maria Jeager, spokesperson for the Franciscan custodians of the holy sites in Jerusalem, supported this hypothesis in an interview with the Italian publication Libero. Jeager said Capucci in the 1960s had developed “personal interests, not at all compatible with the dignity of the priestly or episocopal office” that had left him vulnerable to Palestinian blackmail.  --- "And tonight’s guest is … Vatican plays host to an uneasy world," Vatican Correspondent, John Allen, http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word0221.htm as retrieved on Jun 28, 2004

OCTOBER 2002 : (DOCUMENTS WERE HANDED TO AN ITALIAN JOURNALIST WORKING FOR THE ITALIAN MAGAZINE 'PANORAMA' BY AN UNNAMED BUSINESSMAN ; THE BUSINESSMAN HAD A RECORD OF TRYING TO SELL DOCUMENTS TO SEVERAL INTELLIGENCE SERVICES) The fake documents were handed to an Italian journalist working for the Italian magazine Panorama by a businessman in October 2002. According to a senior official with detailed knowledge of the case, this businessman had been dismissed from the Italian armed forces for dishonourable conduct 25 years earlier. The journalist - Elisabetta Burba - reported in a Panorama article that she suspected the documents were forgeries and handed them to officials at the US embassy in Rome. The businessman, referred to by a pseudonym in the Panorama article, had previously tried to sell the documents to several intelligence services, according to a western intelligence officer. It was later established that he had a record of extortion and deception and had been convicted by a Rome court in 1985 and later arrested at least twice. The suspected forger's real name is known to the FT, but cannot be used because of legal constraints. He did not return telephone calls yesterday, and is understood to be planning to reveal selected aspects of his story to a US television channel. -- "Evidence of Niger uranium trade 'years before war'," by Mark Huband, FT, (Financial Times UK), Published: 06/27/04, Last Updated: June 27 2004 21:56, http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1087373295039&p=1012571727085

NOVEMBER 2002 (SCOTT RITTER HINTS HE WOULD TAKE THE JOB OF SECRETARY OF DENSE R SECRETARY OF STATE FROM "SOMEONE") Actually, I can envision this quite well, Ritter eventually with a faculty position, a class of students taking notes. There are plenty of professors who believe their analyses have never been wrong. In time, though, he said, academia could conceivably lose him to public service. ''If my country ever calls upon me to serve, if someone thought I could ever be a good assistant secretary of defense or state, I would smartly salute and go off to serve my country,'' he said, immediately worrying that this sounded as if he longed for the limelight. ''If you write that, people will say I am lobbying for it. I'm just being honest with you here.'' ----------- " Scott Ritter´s Iraq Complex: One man's continuing war with Saddam, Washington -- and himself," New York Times Magazine, November 24, 2002 by Barry Bearak Posted on 11/25/2002 8:21 AM PST

Just weird trivia:

Speaking of congressional interns, was Sami al Arians kid Abdullah a "Congressional page/intern" on Bonior's staff or was he there on some other program?

Also, Novak mentioned some dinner out in LA but never elabotrated on where exactly it was held or by whom. Wonder if this Iranian Namazi-Khan was involved? :

MARCH 27, 2002 : (DEMOCRAT SENATOR BIDEN IS CRITICIZED FOR HOLDING FUNDRAISER AT DR. SADEGH NAMAZI-KHAH'S HOME IN LA, CA) Excerpt from article below: Delaware Republican Chairman Everett Moore today (March 27, 2002) criticized Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) for holding a Feb. 19 campaign fund-raiser at the California home of Dr. Sadegh Namazi-khah, a strong supporter of the Tehran regime and leading pro-Iran lobbyist. Moore called on Biden to return the estimated $24,000 raised for the senator's campaign coffers.  "Dr. Namazi-khah is well-known in the Los Angeles area for his support of the ruling clerical regime in Tehran and is one of the regime's leading unofficial lobbyists in America. We thought that Sen. Biden might not know his background." http://www.insightmag.com/news/2002/04/15/DailyInsight/Biden.Taken.To.Task.For.FundRaiser-224023.shtml  - Biden Taken to Task for Fund-Raiser (March 27, 2002)

59 posted on 10/07/2006 10:01:13 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa
Thanks for the contextual info. I'm still trying to figure out that whole Wilkerson thing--have started to think lately that Thompson just makes stuff up out of whole cloth. On the Italian journalist item, that'd be about October 8; Isikoff and Corn date Burba's meeting with Martino as "the afternoon of October 7", and they mention this was following up on Martino calling Burba "a few days earlier". Here's some more on that, which I'm finding interesting to add the stuff on Dodge to:

Wilsongate: Motive, Means, and Opportunity

Within two weeks of the release of the September Dossier, attempts to plant the Niger forgeries in British and US intelligence files began. Around October 8, 2002, Rocco Martino began peddling his forgeries, first to the French DGSE he says (confirming information from other sources), and then to Italian Panorama journalist Elisabetta Burba.156

According to Burba she was skeptical of the documents’ authenticity. Her editor-in-chief Carlo Rossella requested verification of the documents from the US embassy in Italy, headed by Melvin Sembler. Thus the forgeries entered US State Department files.157

From here the forgeries spread through the US intelligence community via several routes. According to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s review, within the State Department, the documents passed from the Italian embassy via the Bureau of Nonproliferation (NP) to the Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), headed by Carl Ford (who has also worked for Cassidy & Associates, a firm that lobbies for Gabon and was purchased by Shandwick Public Affairs in 2000), who was assisted on WMD-related issues until September 2002 by Greg Thielmann (later to join VIPS158). The INR was immediately suspicious, with one analyst [Isikoff and Corn say this analyst was Dodge--F] commenting in an email to other intelligence community colleagues, “you’ll note that it bears a funky Emb. of Niger stamp (to make it look official, I guess).” On October 16, 2002 INR made copies of the documents available at meeting of the Nuclear Interdiction Action Group (NIAG) attended by representatives of a number of agencies including CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the National Security Agency (NSA), and the Department of Energy (DOE). Analysts from the DIA, NSA, and DOE picked up copies at the meeting. None of the four CIA representatives who attended the meeting recall picking up copies, but a later internal inspection found copies in the vault of the CIA’s Counterproliferation Division (CPD),159 where Valerie Plame worked under Alan Foley of the CIA’s Weapons Intelligence, Nonproliferation, and Arms Control Center (WINPAC).160 CIA spokesman Bill Harlow told Seymour Hersh in March 2003 that the CIA did not obtain an actual copy of the forgeries until after the President’s January 2003 State of the Union address.161 Contradicting this, Vince Cannistraro later told Hersh that the State Department’s Italian embassy had passed the forgeries to the CIA’s Italian station, headed by Jeffrey Castelli, and that the CIA’s Italian station had passed them on to CIA headquarters.162 Whether the CPD got the documents through this alleged route, from the meeting where the INR made copies available, or through another channel is unclear.

60 posted on 10/07/2006 10:46:47 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
Thompson's no truthteller, that's for sure. I do think there is much more to that Wilkerson incident because the articles sourced to Wilson as I recall referred to the February 5, 2003 speech by Powell and the process through which the speech wsas developed... and also because the Wilson story didn't get up a head of steam until Truthout took the CHB story and pushed it into the world press through Japan Today. The way all the press sources in the US took the story and reprinted it WITHOUT mention of the name Wilkerson seemed very intentional... and by the time the politicos got around to reading the rehabilitated story in CNN the following morning, CHB had also deleted the Wilkerson articles. this seems to me to be an effort to block interested people from "reverse-engineering" the chain of events.

And those Wilkerson rants remind me very much of Armitage and Thielman.

61 posted on 10/07/2006 11:04:49 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Fedora

The Google caches were even erased. I don't think the stories even survived on the Wayback machine. If anyone finds them I'd appreciate it if they would freepmail me.


62 posted on 10/07/2006 11:06:35 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Excellent analysis.


63 posted on 10/07/2006 11:06:36 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Fedora
In late September there was a delegation of Democrats that visited Iraq- I put that snippet about the Archbishop Carpuchi and Father Benjamin being in Baghdad that October there because I was wondering - under this tinfoil brainstorming hat I have on- if the democrat delegation may have met up with those two in Baghdad.

The forged docs were used to gin up a scandal against Berlusconi at first.

64 posted on 10/07/2006 11:20:07 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa; Lancey Howard; Shermy
I may have them somewhere, but I'm not finding them on a quick search, just copies of FR threads referencing them (such as http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/943260/posts). I'll let you know if I find them.

Possibly related topic: Joby Warrick was the WaPo journalist who originated the anonymous "We fell for it quote" which Joseph Wilson (without citing a source for his information) attributed to State Department spokesman Richard Boucher. Warrick was also heavily involved in the aluminum tubes controversy before that. (More recently Warrick has started a new controversy related to the FBI's anthrax investigation.) According to Isikoff and Corn, there was also a *Thomas* Warrick in State who played a key role in the State-Pentagon rivalry during early 2003 over Chalabi's role in the post-Saddam regime. At CIA Paul Pillar was (by coincidence or design) on Warrick's side of this controversy, overseeing production of an NIE which advanced views similar to that Warrick was arguing at this time.

65 posted on 10/07/2006 11:43:23 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: piasa
I don't know if Carpuchi and Benjamin were there, but the info may be out there. Here's most of what I have on who was contacted during the September 2002 delegations, again from the "Wilsongate" link in Post 60:

A week after Carter’s article, on September 11, 2002--the anniversary of 9/11--two Democrats with ties to Arab and Muslim lobbying groups, West Virginia Congressman Nick Rahall and former Senator James Abourezk, left for Iraq leading a US antiwar delegation calling itself “The Mission to Baghdad”.78 Mission organizer Rahall, who had worked as an assistant for West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd before being elected to Congress, had been active in legislation involving oil drilling, as well as lobbying for Palestinian rights in conjunction with groups such as the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA). In 1997 he had travelled to the Middle East on an NAAA fact-finding mission in the company of Rock Creek’s Elias Aburdene, and since the 1996 elections his campaign contributors had included Aburdene, Occidental Petroleum’s Odeh Aburdene, convicted terrorist financier Abdurahman Alamoudi, and--on September 25, 2002--Joseph Wilson.79

SNIP

The group’s ostensible mission to encourage Saddam Hussein to accept renewed UN weapons inspections was endorsed by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, the Arab League, and former South African President Nelson Mandela. In Baghdad the delegation met with former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, who had recently made the antiwar film In Shifting Sands, financed by Iraqi agent Shakir Al-Khafaji with Oil-for-Food vouchers. The delegation also met high-ranking Iraqi officials and attended the Sixth Iraq Solidarity Conference (aka Baghdad Peace Conference) on September 16. The conference was attended by 170 delegates from 80 countries, including Ritter; Vladimir Zhirinovsky of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, an Oil-for-Food beneficiary; George Galloway, a UK politician implicated in the Oil-for-Food scandal; and a delegation from the World Workers Party, the North Korean-linked group behind the antiwar fronts International Action Center (IAC) and ANSWER, headed by longtime Communist fellow traveller Ramsey Clark, who had led anti-sanctions trips to Iraq during the 1990s.82 Media contacts listed in IPA press releases for the Mission to Baghdad included former Oil-for-Food program head Denis Halliway; Scott Ritter; IPS’ Phyllis Bennis and Stephen Zunes; Detroit bishop Thomas Gumbleton, an IAC associate who had co-led Ramsey Clark’s trips to Iraq during the 1990s; and Kathy Kelly of Voices in the Wilderness, an anti-sanctions group founded in 1996 which also travelled to Iraq with IAC in the 1990s.83

SNIP

On the same day Kennedy made his statement, a second delegation of US Democratic Congressmen arrived in Iraq, consisting of Kucinich’s antiwar coalition ally McDermott, Michigan Congressman and former Democratic Whip David Bonior, and California Congressman Mike Thompson.91 McDermott had voted against the Gulf Waf, and had opposed sanctions against Iraq since travelling there in August 1991.92 Bonior, who had also voted against the Gulf War, was an early Congressional ally of Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA), cofounded by John Kerry in 1978 as an offshoot of the Communist Party-linked Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). He had become a pro-Muslim lobbyist in the 1990s, sponsoring bills for the repeal of anti-terrorism legislation, advocating the release of accused terrorist Sami Al-Arian’s associate Mazen Al-Najjar, and receiving campaign contributions from Al-Arian, Abdurahman Alamoudi, former Clinton Justice Department figure Jamie Gorelick, and Mission to Baghdad participant Harold Samhat.93 Accompanying the Congressmen to Baghdad was Iraqi agent Shakir Al-Khafaji, who later paid McDermott a check.94 Also travelling with the Congreessmen was the Church Council of Greater Seattle, an antiwar religious coalition, and joining them in Baghdad was a delegation led by Bert Sacks of Citizens Concerned for the People of Iraq, a Seattle-based affiliate of Voices in the Wilderness which had begun traveling to Iraq with Ramsey Clark’s IAC in the 1990s.95 IPA again handled media relations for the trip, issuing press releases listing media contacts that included Mission to Baghdad participant James Jennings as well as Sacks.96 During the trip, McDermott spoke live from Baghdad to ABC’s This Week on September 29 to comment on a statement he had previously made, “The President of the United States will lie to the American people in order to get us into this war.”97 After returning to the US McDermott elaborated his statement in an October 10 speech to Congress, in which he listed nine arguments against war, one of which denied evidence of Iraq possessing Weapons of Mass Destruction and included the insinuation that the US was responsible for Iraq’s noncompliance with UN weapons inspections:

There has been no solid information regarding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction since UNSCOM and IAEA arms inspectors left Iraq in December 1998 in advance of the U.S. Desert Fox bombing operation. . . Since that time, there have been no verifiable reports regarding Iraq's WMD programs. It is important to get inspectors back into Iraq, but U.S. threats for years made that virtually impossible by setting a "negative incentive" in place.”98

Within a week of McDermott’s September 29 statement, on October 3, Bonior’s Michigan Senate counterpart Carl Levin, a close associate of the far left and Muslim lobbies,99 began a campaign to replace Bush’s proposed war resolution with an alternate resolution that would only authorize the President to use force if the UN authorized military action.100

66 posted on 10/07/2006 11:50:37 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Now that's interesting- thanks for the reminder about Warrick.


67 posted on 10/08/2006 12:17:14 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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Speaking of aluminum tubes:

2001 midyear - OCTOBER 2002 + : (TUBING AND OTHER EQUIPMENT HAVE BEEN SMUGGLED INTO IRAQ VIA JORDANIAN PORT OF AQABA; TWO SHIPMENTS SAID TO BE FROM CHINA HAVE BEEN INTERCEPTED IN JORDAN) Several companies believed to be front organizations for Saddam Hussein, including Al-Wasel & Babel, a joint-venture Iraqi construction and trading outfit, may be involved in procuring aluminum tubing, industry and intelligence sources told AMM. Al-Wasel & Babel is part of the Lootah Group based in the United Arab Emirates. Its Web site said Al-Wasel & Babel was established in 1999 and is "primarily involved in bidding for tenders in Iraq and operating in Baghdad and Basra." The company currently is working with the Iraqi government in the United Nations' "oil-for-food" program, according to the Web site.
Iraq is seeking to obtain more than 60,000 high-strength aluminum tubes to be used in its nuclear weapons program and apparently has succeeded in obtaining some of the tubing, thanks to shipments from China, Ukraine and possibly other countries via Jordan, sources said. The series 7075 aluminum tubes, which are widely available, are used in gas centrifuges to enrich uranium as part of Iraq's effort to build nuclear weapons, according to Bush administration officials.
The tubes, as well as other equipment destined for the Iraqi nuclear program, have been smuggled into the country over the past 14 months via the port of Aqaba, a free-trade zone in Jordan, sources said. At least two shipments said to be from China have been intercepted in Jordan (AMM, Sept. 23).
---- "Front groups may feed Iraq `nuclear' tubes." (front organizations for Saddam Hussein acquiring aluminum) American Metal Market, Oct 10, 2002, by Martyn Chase

[* My note: I suspect one of the other countries involved could include South Africa, which sold an tubing plant to China ]

68 posted on 10/08/2006 1:21:25 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Bahbah
I think Novak knew what he was doing when he worded it - "Isikoff, who views himself as nonideological and nonpartisan" - that way. Wink, wink.
69 posted on 10/08/2006 2:17:48 AM PDT by MitchellC
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To: MitchellC

A quick look at Fitz' most recent motions indicate to me that he's just going thru the motions now. He hasn't moved to dismiss but the govt's arguments on the classified docs are going nowhere and he simply keeps repeating them to a judge who has already rejected them.


70 posted on 10/08/2006 9:46:42 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: piasa

Plame was reportedly (Isikoff and Corn, 39) one of the CIA agents tasked with investigating that shipment.


71 posted on 10/08/2006 3:24:22 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Really? I missed that one completely. That's very interesting.


72 posted on 10/09/2006 6:15:26 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa
It was news to me, too. Here's part of the passage:

In the summer of 2001, one CIA officer assigned to liaison work with the Jordanians regarding the tubes was Valerie Wilson. She traveled to Jordan. She saw the tubes, which were sitting at a storage yard, piled up and exposed to the elements. Samples had been sent to Langley.

Also mentioned here:

What Valerie Plame Really Did at the CIA

"We knew nothing about what was going on in Iraq," a CIA official recalled. "We were way behind the eight ball. We had to look under every rock." Wilson, too, occasionally flew overseas to monitor operations. She also went to Jordan to work with Jordanian intelligence officials who had intercepted a shipment of aluminum tubes heading to Iraq that CIA analysts were claiming--wrongly--were for a nuclear weapons program. (The analysts rolled over the government's top nuclear experts, who had concluded the tubes were not destined for a nuclear program.)

73 posted on 10/09/2006 7:31:20 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
INterestingly, from September 2002 when the Democrats were visiing Iraq and on... is when CHB began turning out the Wilkerson stories that Dougie deleted when he got called on one of them:

SEPTEMBER 2002 - JULY 2003 : (CAPITOL HILL BLUE'S DOUG THOMPSON USES "TERRANCE J. WILKERSON" AS A SOURCE IN SIX STORIES AS AN UNNAMED SOURCE, AS A NAMED SOURCE IN ONE OTHER)

74 posted on 10/11/2006 3:35:15 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Fedora; backhoe
It's a good time to bring up A.N.S.W.E.R. and the W.W.P. being involved with the effort to stop the war on Iraq back then- and actually having delegations traveling to Iraq to attend Iraqi-sponsored events- glad you did so, given WWP's - and ANSWER's affiliation with North Korea, the state currently making such a fuss over "nuclear tests."

May as well point out when A.N.S.W.E.R. got its start:

JULY 21, 2001 : (THE DOMAIN BEATBACKBUSH.ORG IS REGISTERED; LATER THIS BECAME INTERNATIONAL A.N.S.W.E.R. - IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH RAMSEY CLARK) However, the protest on September 29th [2001] was planned long ago, long before the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. The domain beatbackbush.org was registered July 21, 2001. According to their website, they were going to protest the Bush administration's policies regarding the IMF and World Bank, although the phrase "Beat Back The Bush Attack" seems more fitting for the protest of the war against terrorism.

The shifting focus of this protest shows that the people involved have one goal in mind, and it is not the stated intent, which has shifted from protesting the IMF and World Bank, to protesting President Bush's retaliation to the attacks, to now protesting racism and the coming war on terrorism. The real goal is disruption, as well as to gain publicity, and to put political pressure on the government of the United States to move away from capitalism.

The front page for both of these sites currently shows no link between their efforts and the International Action Center, merely showing Clark as the first of the "initial signers" for their declaration.

One can find who is the primary contact for an internet domain by performing a whois query against the domain names databases. A whois query on beatbackbush.org shows that the organization behind the website is called "World View", and is based in Jersey City, NJ, and lists an administrative contact of Sara Flounders Kramer. The email address given for the administrative contact is gery@riseup.net. A whois query for internationalanswer.org, though, shows the organization to be the IAC, and provides the same email address for the administrative contact. Sara Flounders (sans the Kramer surname) is listed as the administrative and billing contact for the IAC's website.

Both internationalanswer.org and beatbackbush.org are hosted on machines running in Boca Raton, Florida. The contact for riseup.net, as found using whois, is Elijah Saxon, who gives his email address as being from the ucsc.edu domain (University of California, Santa Cruz, where he is probably an alumni). Saxon also has registered revolt.org, which says it is part of Global Update, which also has a domain. globalupdate.org, riseup.net, and revolt.org all indicate that they operate out of Seattle, Washington.

What is riseup.net? They provide "Tech support for the revolution" according to their main page. The vanguard, it would seem, has gone high tech. riseup.net also provides hosting for "Direct Action Networks", which function like cells for activities promoting "radical social change" and "social justice", which are the new catchphrases used to hide the true nature of their activities, which is the promotion of Marxism.

Here is how riseup.net describes themselves: riseup.net is a project of the Red Cursor Collective, a 100% volunteer effort of activists using technology for radical social change. We provide training, web hosting, listservs, email accounts, and any kind of tech support needed by the activist community.
The riseup.net page says that, currently, their "costs greatly exceed the donations we have received". If donations do not currently meet costs, yet they are operating, from where are they currently getting their funding?

Many of the IAC's initiatives are funded by contributions from The People's Rights Fund, a 501c3 tax-exempt, non-profit organization. A google.com search on "Peoples Rights Fund" and Flounders (for Sara Flounders) shows that the contributions have been both frequent and varied in their purpose. Many of the contributions were directly to the IAC. Others were made to other organizations that tie back to the IAC and/or Clark.

Where does the People's Rights Fund get their money? Their website makes no mention. However, at least part of their funding comes from Fidelity Investment's Charitable Gift Fund. One can only wonder how well Fidelity has screened their recipients, if the money from this fund is being funneled to Marxist advocacy groups. One can only wonder who at Fidelity realizes that their fund was used as a conduit to funnel funds for the planning and execution of the massive demonstrations-turned-riots of November 1999 in Seattle, or the similar demonstrations in Washington, DC, of April 16, 2000 that were limited in their destructiveness by police raids the night before. These raids found riot gear, gas masks, staging locations, and involved the arrest of senior IAC members.
One can only wonder how Fidelity feels about their fund being used as a conduit to funnel funds for the planning and execution of the coming September 29th demonstration against the war on terror. One can only wonder how well Fidelity would react to this information becoming widespread public knowledge. - "September 29," by Gerry Daly, Daly's News Online, September 26, 2001 via FR post on 09/26/2001 1:28 PM PDT by Hugh Akston (*** Isn't Fidelity owned in part by Berger or Kerry's wife Heinz?)

75 posted on 10/11/2006 4:03:01 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa
Thanks, piasa- that is very interesting.
76 posted on 10/11/2006 4:14:14 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: piasa

Good point--the North Korean ties of WWP/ANSWER/Troops Out haven't received as much analysis as they probably should.


77 posted on 10/11/2006 2:42:28 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
BUMP to this thread in light of today's testimony in Libby trial....... and I found this closing statement from Novak in this still-highly-relevant article to be intriguing (Novak indicating that Corn and Isikoff may owe much more to Pillar than they acknowledge??):

"In their tirade against the Bush White House, Isikoff and Corn found a hero: Paul Pillar, then the CIA officer in charge of the Middle East. During the 2004 election campaign, I wrote in a column that Pillar was delivering off-the-record briefings to citizens groups around the country, and was highly critical of the president seeking a second term. Probing such subversion at the CIA might have been an interesting exercise for an investigative reporter, but that is not what this book is about."
78 posted on 02/12/2007 6:56:05 PM PST by Enchante (Chamberlain Democrats embraced by terrorists and America-haters worldwide!!)
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To: Enchante

Thanks for the refresher on this thread. Reading it again, I'm struck anew by Corn's selective attitude towards criticism of the CIA: his book on Shackley was devoted to exposing the history of Shackley's operations, but he's upset at Novak for outing a CIA agent. Apparently the CIA is okay with Corn when it's attacking Bush, but when it's fighting Castro he has a problem with it.


79 posted on 02/12/2007 7:16:02 PM PST by Fedora
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To: STARWISE

(Wilson will be the featured attraction for the Nation's annual cruise in December.)

******


If I didn't think that Novak was writing a serious column, I would believe that I read the line above in The Onion or in a Mallard Fillmore cartoon.
What an attraction!!!


80 posted on 02/12/2007 7:30:18 PM PST by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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