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To: himno hero
The tribalists live out in the more remote parts of the desert. More and more people have been populating the cities over the past couple of decades. The people in the cities tend to be fairly educated and they are embracing capitalism. They are starting to disdain the tribalists.

About 66% of the eligible population voted. Most of them did so very enthusiastically.

That's democracy taking hold.

42 posted on 10/08/2006 8:30:45 AM PDT by Allegra (Super Elastic Bubble Plastic!)
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To: Allegra

obviously what you cite is work in process.

its difficult to impose something on anyone unless they see the reason/benefit. Then they and their systems have to evolve to create the necessary infrastructure to proceed. You can not just catapult tribalists into the 21st century.

maybe you can.... go to the canadian north to meet the "eskimo"


47 posted on 10/08/2006 8:41:47 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: Allegra

"About 66% of the eligible population voted."

And tribalism was thus mortally wounded.


54 posted on 10/08/2006 9:05:16 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Leftists will never stand up like men and admit their true beliefs.)
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To: Allegra
"The tribalists live out in the more remote parts of the desert. More and more people have been populating the cities over the past couple of decades. The people in the cities tend to be fairly educated and they are embracing capitalism. They are starting to disdain the tribalists."

There is a rather significant flip side to that. Tribalism is also fairly common in cities. I recall attempting to get gas station attendants in Baghdad to maintain order without a platoon of infantrymen doing it for them. Even when we armed them, they were still afraid to impose any type of order because they feared starting a tribal war. That was almost universal throughout much of the city.

While cities have been magnets for educated people (and/or perhaps creating educated people) they are also, as of late, losing educated people due to the fear of violence, since the educated folk are the most able to leave and resettle in a safer locale (like Kurdistan).

As for embracing capitalism and disdaining capitalists, how do we measure this or at least infer that it is happening? I thought capitalism was being embraced pretty well in 2003 when the streets were gridlocked with vendors, but this hasn't quite panned out the way that we were hoping. It's not a rhetorical question, as I openly admit that I don't know the answer - can we measure/infer this right now? If so, how?

79 posted on 10/08/2006 11:24:20 AM PDT by Axhandle
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