Skip to comments.Hundreds of Iraq police fall ill at meal
Posted on 10/08/2006 4:40:30 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever
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I looked up what Jim Jones mixed in the drink back in the 80's for the mass suicide of that cult. It contained cyanide and valium. Cyanide would cause foaming of the mouth, possibly mixed with blood. That worked rapidly, but it didn't cause the symptoms reported of bleeding ears and of bleeding through the mouth. I don't know. Maybe once they test the food, we will know more.
Compared to what I ate in Nam, '69-'71, MREs are a banquet. We can surely come up with something *edible*, G.
Let's begin working on that problem...
Then again there was probably a lot of chemical manufacturing going on during Sadam's reign.
They must have had the fish.
I don't think coumadin could cause.
You're right. I've had the misfortune to have had food poisoning twice - it takes awhile longer to get sick from it.
Give me Tunis on five and hold the Mayo?
Well, I suggested using the testers. With some onions, pepper, bay leaves, rice and a bit of oil one tester could form a meal for a couple of squads. Three meals a day= 6 testers per platoon per day. Doable.
Here's a hazmat link about yellowcake - http://hazmap.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/hazmap_generic?tbl=TblAgents&id=43
"No grossly observable signs or symptoms were induced in mice, rats, guinea pigs, rabbits, or dogs following the first day of exposure..."
There are potent clot busters which are used to emergencies to stop a stroke or pulmonary embolism but even then the risk for a bleed is small and it usually happens internally.
Headline: Generals May Have Had Food Poisoning
Wire Service: APO (AP Online)
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2006
WASHINGTON (AP) -- One of two war commanders who suffered possible food
poisoning last week was sick enough that he was hospitalized for three
nights, not one as officials previously reported.
Lt. Gen. Karl Eikenberry, U.S. commander in Afghanistan, and Gen. John
Abizaid, the top commander for Iraq, Afghanistan and the entire region,
fell ill after dining out near the capital last week.
The pair ate at a local restaurant on Sept. 20 and some hours later both
were not feeling well, officials said.
Eikenberry soon recovered, said Lt. Col. John Paradis, a spokesman in
But Abizaid felt increasingly sick last Thursday and decided to go to
Walter Reed Army Medical Center. He spent three nights there before being
released Sunday morning, Maj. Matthew McLaughlin at U.S. Central Command in
Tampa, said Wednesday.
Central Command had previously said Abizaid entered the hospital last
Friday and was released Saturday.
"Gen. Abizaid recovered fully -- he was treated for what can best be
described as symptoms consistent with food poisoning," McLaughlin said in
an e-mail. "He returned to Tampa on Sunday in good health and spirits."
The pair were in Washington for several days with a number of other
senior commanders, going to routine meetings with Defense Secretary Donald
H. Rumsfeld and other officials. Abizaid also briefed members of Congress
on the two wars.
Oakey doakey, G.
Too soon after ingesting.
I was thinking this sounds like radiation poisoning, maybe in combination with ground glass in the food and warfarin.
I would think Coumadin would take awhile longer to act. I once worked on a case for a lawyer where a prescription for coumadin was filled for an elderly man at a much greater dose then he was supposed to receive. Even so, it was several days before the effects became apparent and then it was more like heavy blood pooling under the skin. No bleeding right off from the nose or ears.
That is indeed the first thought that crossed my mind, although something like that could be unintentional. It could be a cross contamination issue.
That's pretty much the conclusion that I had come to.
Does anyone know what the symptoms are regarding anthrax?
LOL! I hated Dr. Smith!
....It tastes like corn to me.
Typical rat poison information
Wow! At any rate, scary stuff indeed. Oh, but the Dimmies claim there were no WMD's! I think someone found some.
I already explained why VAstRWCon is right in a post to him and you, earlier on this thread. See my post 60.
I owuld consider VRWC's comments astute and yours out of line. It's uncalled for to resort to personal insults in th efirst place, certainly not in defense of the Democrats.
I dunno. I ONLY eat Chocolate-cake. If you mean Uranium, these guys would have to eat several tons of ore; get centrifuged somewhere around the speed of sound and go through a couple of enrichment cycles. I think somebody intentionally poisoned their food with multiple organics and inorganics. Just a hunch about Warfin and DMSO. There are a couple other inorganics that could have been used, but the smell and taste would be very difficult to mask under ordinary circumstances.
Same stuff that woman used in the movie "9 to 5".
Don't worry, the DUmmies will spin this too by saying we've created more terrorists and we didn't have enough troops on the ground to guard the stuff. (the stuff that never existed of course. /sarc)
Thanks RD. :-)
Anthrax causes flu like symptoms, no bleeding from nose and ears.
scary stuff, huh?
I think they are flu-like symptoms. No bleeding.
That is what I was thinking. Especially with the rapid onset and the bleeding.
Arab food can be strongly flavored, so maybe it was mixed with a spice to disguise the taste. But some nerve agents have no scent, so maybe no taste either.
Heparin is broken down by digestive enzymes if taken orally. That is why it is give IV or IM.
As VP Dick Cheney so accurately said, this proves the Iraqi insurgency is "its last throes".
The trichothecene mycotoxins are highly toxic compounds produced by certain species of fungi. Because these mycotoxins can cause massive organ damage, and because they are fairly easy to produce and can be dispersed by various methods (dusts, droplets, aerosols, smoke, rockets, artillery mines, portable sprays), mycotoxins have an excellent potential for weaponization.
Strong evidence suggests that trichothecenes ("yellow rain") have been used as a biological warfare agent in Southwest Asia and Afghanistan. From 1974-1981, numerous attacks resulted in a minimum of 6310 deaths in Laos, 981 deaths in Cambodia, and 3042 deaths in Afghanistan. When taken from fungal cultures, the mycotoxins yield a yellow-brown liquid that evaporates into a yellow crystalline product (thus, the "yellow rain" appearance). These toxins require certain solutions and high heat to be completely inactivated.
Signs and symptoms
After exposure to the mycotoxins, early symptoms begin within 5 minutes. Full effects take 60 minutes.
* If skin exposure occurs, the skin burns, becomes tender, swollen, and blisters. In lethal cases, large areas of skin die and slough (fall off).
* Respiratory exposure results in nasal itching, pain, sneezing, a bloody nose, shortness of breath, wheezing, cough, and blood-tinged saliva and sputum.
* If ingested, the person feels nausea and vomits, loses appetite, feels abdominal cramping, and has watery and/or bloody diarrhea.
* Following entry into the eyes, pain, tearing, redness, and blurred vision occur.
* Systemic toxicity may occur and includes weakness, exhaustion, dizziness, inability to coordinate muscles, heart problems, low or high temperature, diffuse bleeding, and low blood pressure. Death may occur within minutes to days depending on the dose and route of exposure.
Diagnosis of an attack of trichothecene mycotoxin depends on the symptoms and identifying the toxin from biological and environmental samples. Many people with these symptoms may report being in a yellow rain or smoke attack.
Initial laboratory tests are not always helpful. Currently, a rapid identification kit for any of the trichothecene mycotoxins does not exist. Gas-liquid chromatography has been used in the past with great success. However, chromatographic methods lack great sensitivity, and presently alternative methods of detection are under investigation.
"About the only food related cause for bleeding from the ears that I can think of is a skull fracture from being force fed a frozen pot roast through the top of the skull."
You have an ex wife too ?
Additionally, it is something that the terrorists are completely familiar with. You may recall the booklets found in Afghanistan dealt extensively with Ricin and the terrorists a couple of years back were manufacturing it in England.
trichotecenes. Bulk quantities need a state factory. Iran will not be poisoning shiites, and there's not enough gain in it for the Syrians to compensate for the risks.
Re: ricin symptoms - "rapidly progressing pulmonary syndrome that is not responsive to antibiotics."
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