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Hundreds of Iraq police fall ill at meal
AP via Yahoo ^ | October 8, 2006 | QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA

Posted on 10/08/2006 4:40:30 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever

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To: Battle Axe
On Yahoo news it said the fast is sunrise to sunset. They had food and water. Six hundred to seven hundred were effected, but there were conflicting reports that eleven died. They are testing the food and water.

I looked up what Jim Jones mixed in the drink back in the 80's for the mass suicide of that cult. It contained cyanide and valium. Cyanide would cause foaming of the mouth, possibly mixed with blood. That worked rapidly, but it didn't cause the symptoms reported of bleeding ears and of bleeding through the mouth. I don't know. Maybe once they test the food, we will know more.

101 posted on 10/08/2006 6:07:30 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane (LET NO ONE BE FORGOTTEN, LET NO ONE FORGET)
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To: GSlob

LOL.

Compared to what I ate in Nam, '69-'71, MREs are a banquet. We can surely come up with something *edible*, G.

Let's begin working on that problem...


102 posted on 10/08/2006 6:07:35 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage; try it!)
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To: SuzyQue
Hard to find much information on it. I remember a while back that quite a bit of yellow-cake was found in Iraq and figured it was probably fairly easy for them to get some.And if I remember correctly, radiation poisoning can cause profuse bleeding from orifices.

Then again there was probably a lot of chemical manufacturing going on during Sadam's reign.

103 posted on 10/08/2006 6:07:50 PM PDT by Post-Neolithic
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

They must have had the fish.


105 posted on 10/08/2006 6:10:59 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: VastRWCon
"I will go farther and blame the USA DEMOCRATIC PARTY and the MSM for their total lack of support from the beginning of this war. If it weren't for them this war would have been over by now. They the DEMOCRATS and the MSM are responsible for all this bs."

I agree. It's like watching that TV show "Lost in Space" and the Democrats and MSM represent the Dr Smith character.
106 posted on 10/08/2006 6:11:21 PM PDT by willk
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To: realpatriot

I don't think coumadin could cause.


107 posted on 10/08/2006 6:11:22 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: BlazingArizona

You're right. I've had the misfortune to have had food poisoning twice - it takes awhile longer to get sick from it.


108 posted on 10/08/2006 6:13:26 PM PDT by fishergirl (Choose your vices carefully, then be loyal to them.)
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To: KoRn
Give me Tunis on five and hold the Mayo?

 

109 posted on 10/08/2006 6:14:02 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

Well, I suggested using the testers. With some onions, pepper, bay leaves, rice and a bit of oil one tester could form a meal for a couple of squads. Three meals a day= 6 testers per platoon per day. Doable.


110 posted on 10/08/2006 6:14:04 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Post-Neolithic

Here's a hazmat link about yellowcake - http://hazmap.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/hazmap_generic?tbl=TblAgents&id=43

"No grossly observable signs or symptoms were induced in mice, rats, guinea pigs, rabbits, or dogs following the first day of exposure..."


111 posted on 10/08/2006 6:14:05 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Ez2BRepub

There are potent clot busters which are used to emergencies to stop a stroke or pulmonary embolism but even then the risk for a bleed is small and it usually happens internally.


112 posted on 10/08/2006 6:14:13 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Headline: Generals May Have Had Food Poisoning
Wire Service: APO (AP Online)
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2006


WASHINGTON (AP) -- One of two war commanders who suffered possible food
poisoning last week was sick enough that he was hospitalized for three
nights, not one as officials previously reported.
Lt. Gen. Karl Eikenberry, U.S. commander in Afghanistan, and Gen. John
Abizaid, the top commander for Iraq, Afghanistan and the entire region,
fell ill after dining out near the capital last week.
The pair ate at a local restaurant on Sept. 20 and some hours later both
were not feeling well, officials said.
Eikenberry soon recovered, said Lt. Col. John Paradis, a spokesman in
Kabul.
But Abizaid felt increasingly sick last Thursday and decided to go to
Walter Reed Army Medical Center. He spent three nights there before being
released Sunday morning, Maj. Matthew McLaughlin at U.S. Central Command in
Tampa, said Wednesday.
Central Command had previously said Abizaid entered the hospital last
Friday and was released Saturday.
"Gen. Abizaid recovered fully -- he was treated for what can best be
described as symptoms consistent with food poisoning," McLaughlin said in
an e-mail. "He returned to Tampa on Sunday in good health and spirits."
The pair were in Washington for several days with a number of other
senior commanders, going to routine meetings with Defense Secretary Donald
H. Rumsfeld and other officials. Abizaid also briefed members of Congress
on the two wars.


113 posted on 10/08/2006 6:14:49 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: GSlob

Oakey doakey, G.


114 posted on 10/08/2006 6:15:11 PM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage; try it!)
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To: GSlob
Coumarin blood thinning rat poison?

Too soon after ingesting.

115 posted on 10/08/2006 6:20:24 PM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: Post-Neolithic

I was thinking this sounds like radiation poisoning, maybe in combination with ground glass in the food and warfarin.


116 posted on 10/08/2006 6:20:38 PM PDT by toothfairy86
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
I'm guessing a chemwar hemotoxic 'blood agent'.
Any chemical warfare specialists in the house?
117 posted on 10/08/2006 6:21:59 PM PDT by thescourged1
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To: SuzyQue

I would think Coumadin would take awhile longer to act. I once worked on a case for a lawyer where a prescription for coumadin was filled for an elderly man at a much greater dose then he was supposed to receive. Even so, it was several days before the effects became apparent and then it was more like heavy blood pooling under the skin. No bleeding right off from the nose or ears.


118 posted on 10/08/2006 6:22:47 PM PDT by fishergirl (Choose your vices carefully, then be loyal to them.)
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To: GSlob

That is indeed the first thought that crossed my mind, although something like that could be unintentional. It could be a cross contamination issue.


119 posted on 10/08/2006 6:22:57 PM PDT by EBH (All great truths begin as blasphemies. GB Shaw)
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To: All
I am pretty sure that we are going to find out shortly that this was Ricin poisoning. Matches the symptoms and the time involved.
120 posted on 10/08/2006 6:23:51 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Being a Liberal is just a coping mechanism for low self esteem and/or bad parenting.)
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To: toothfairy86
Radiation poisoning takes time, even if it a massive dose such as what the firemen at Chernobyl received.
121 posted on 10/08/2006 6:24:00 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: AmericaUnite
"Too soon after ingesting."
Their falling ill en masse only indicates that they consumed it en masse, too. Nowhere is it following from that they had to consume it at the meal immediately preceding the symptoms - given the ramadan fast and the evening meals during it, they could have been fed the stuff the evening before.
122 posted on 10/08/2006 6:24:51 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: fishergirl

That's pretty much the conclusion that I had come to.


123 posted on 10/08/2006 6:24:55 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SuzyQue

Does anyone know what the symptoms are regarding anthrax?


125 posted on 10/08/2006 6:26:45 PM PDT by fishergirl (Choose your vices carefully, then be loyal to them.)
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To: GSlob; All
Have you ever heard of "Yellow Rain",,?
Russian Chemical Weapon,,,,used after the Viet Nam war, Cambodia,
I think,,,Blood Agent,,,Fast acting,,,Or a variant,,, Sterling Seagrave wrote a book about this and other bad stuff,,,
126 posted on 10/08/2006 6:27:05 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: willk

LOL! I hated Dr. Smith!


128 posted on 10/08/2006 6:27:48 PM PDT by fishergirl (Choose your vices carefully, then be loyal to them.)
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To: Battle Axe
but that stuff tastes like oysters.

....It tastes like corn to me.

129 posted on 10/08/2006 6:28:07 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (....If God brings you to it - He will bring you through it.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Ricin


130 posted on 10/08/2006 6:29:51 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: hstntxs

Typical rat poison information
Anticoagulants http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_rat_poison.html


131 posted on 10/08/2006 6:30:34 PM PDT by EBH (All great truths begin as blasphemies. GB Shaw)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Wow! At any rate, scary stuff indeed. Oh, but the Dimmies claim there were no WMD's! I think someone found some.


132 posted on 10/08/2006 6:31:26 PM PDT by fishergirl (Choose your vices carefully, then be loyal to them.)
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To: kinoxi; VastRWCon

I already explained why VAstRWCon is right in a post to him and you, earlier on this thread. See my post 60.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1716003/posts?page=60#60

I owuld consider VRWC's comments astute and yours out of line. It's uncalled for to resort to personal insults in th efirst place, certainly not in defense of the Democrats.


133 posted on 10/08/2006 6:31:30 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Post-Neolithic
Just a thought, what would yellow-cake do if it was injested in enough quanity?

I dunno. I ONLY eat Chocolate-cake. If you mean Uranium, these guys would have to eat several tons of ore; get centrifuged somewhere around the speed of sound and go through a couple of enrichment cycles. I think somebody intentionally poisoned their food with multiple organics and inorganics. Just a hunch about Warfin and DMSO. There are a couple other inorganics that could have been used, but the smell and taste would be very difficult to mask under ordinary circumstances.

134 posted on 10/08/2006 6:32:02 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum; Txsleuth; hegemony

ping


135 posted on 10/08/2006 6:32:55 PM PDT by RDTF (Iraq: terrorist flypaper)
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To: GSlob

Same stuff that woman used in the movie "9 to 5".


136 posted on 10/08/2006 6:33:56 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: fishergirl

Don't worry, the DUmmies will spin this too by saying we've created more terrorists and we didn't have enough troops on the ground to guard the stuff. (the stuff that never existed of course. /sarc)


137 posted on 10/08/2006 6:34:09 PM PDT by hegemony
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To: RDTF

Thanks RD. :-)


138 posted on 10/08/2006 6:34:29 PM PDT by hegemony
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To: fishergirl

Anthrax causes flu like symptoms, no bleeding from nose and ears.


139 posted on 10/08/2006 6:34:58 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: hegemony

scary stuff, huh?


140 posted on 10/08/2006 6:35:07 PM PDT by RDTF (Iraq: terrorist flypaper)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
"The division normally operates around the town of Salman Pak"

Isn't that the place where terrorist were trained to use biological weapons?
141 posted on 10/08/2006 6:35:17 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: fishergirl

I think they are flu-like symptoms. No bleeding.


142 posted on 10/08/2006 6:35:22 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: hstntxs
I would guess a derivative or agent from some type of nerve agent.

That is what I was thinking. Especially with the rapid onset and the bleeding.

Arab food can be strongly flavored, so maybe it was mixed with a spice to disguise the taste. But some nerve agents have no scent, so maybe no taste either.

143 posted on 10/08/2006 6:35:23 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Dog

Heparin is broken down by digestive enzymes if taken orally. That is why it is give IV or IM.


144 posted on 10/08/2006 6:36:26 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: tobyhill

As VP Dick Cheney so accurately said, this proves the Iraqi insurgency is "its last throes".


145 posted on 10/08/2006 6:36:31 PM PDT by floridareader1
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To: Pukin Dog; All

MYCOTOXINS

The trichothecene mycotoxins are highly toxic compounds produced by certain species of fungi. Because these mycotoxins can cause massive organ damage, and because they are fairly easy to produce and can be dispersed by various methods (dusts, droplets, aerosols, smoke, rockets, artillery mines, portable sprays), mycotoxins have an excellent potential for weaponization.

Strong evidence suggests that trichothecenes ("yellow rain") have been used as a biological warfare agent in Southwest Asia and Afghanistan. From 1974-1981, numerous attacks resulted in a minimum of 6310 deaths in Laos, 981 deaths in Cambodia, and 3042 deaths in Afghanistan. When taken from fungal cultures, the mycotoxins yield a yellow-brown liquid that evaporates into a yellow crystalline product (thus, the "yellow rain" appearance). These toxins require certain solutions and high heat to be completely inactivated.

Signs and symptoms

After exposure to the mycotoxins, early symptoms begin within 5 minutes. Full effects take 60 minutes.

* If skin exposure occurs, the skin burns, becomes tender, swollen, and blisters. In lethal cases, large areas of skin die and slough (fall off).

* Respiratory exposure results in nasal itching, pain, sneezing, a bloody nose, shortness of breath, wheezing, cough, and blood-tinged saliva and sputum.

* If ingested, the person feels nausea and vomits, loses appetite, feels abdominal cramping, and has watery and/or bloody diarrhea.

* Following entry into the eyes, pain, tearing, redness, and blurred vision occur.

* Systemic toxicity may occur and includes weakness, exhaustion, dizziness, inability to coordinate muscles, heart problems, low or high temperature, diffuse bleeding, and low blood pressure. Death may occur within minutes to days depending on the dose and route of exposure.

Diagnosis

Diagnosis of an attack of trichothecene mycotoxin depends on the symptoms and identifying the toxin from biological and environmental samples. Many people with these symptoms may report being in a yellow rain or smoke attack.

Initial laboratory tests are not always helpful. Currently, a rapid identification kit for any of the trichothecene mycotoxins does not exist. Gas-liquid chromatography has been used in the past with great success. However, chromatographic methods lack great sensitivity, and presently alternative methods of detection are under investigation.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/biological_warfare/page5_em.htm


146 posted on 10/08/2006 6:37:15 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Vote for your life. Every vote for a Democrat is a vote against victory.)
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To: delacoert

"About the only food related cause for bleeding from the ears that I can think of is a skull fracture from being force fed a frozen pot roast through the top of the skull."

You have an ex wife too ?


147 posted on 10/08/2006 6:38:07 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: Pukin Dog
Ricin poisoning. Matches the symptoms and the time involved.

Additionally, it is something that the terrorists are completely familiar with. You may recall the booklets found in Afghanistan dealt extensively with Ricin and the terrorists a couple of years back were manufacturing it in England.

148 posted on 10/08/2006 6:38:24 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

trichotecenes. Bulk quantities need a state factory. Iran will not be poisoning shiites, and there's not enough gain in it for the Syrians to compensate for the risks.


149 posted on 10/08/2006 6:38:53 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Re: ricin symptoms - "rapidly progressing pulmonary syndrome that is not responsive to antibiotics."


150 posted on 10/08/2006 6:39:05 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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