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Extreme-Right Party Gains Shock Prime Minister (Belgium)
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 10-9-2006

Posted on 10/08/2006 6:36:53 PM PDT by blam

Extreme-right party gains shock prime minister

Associated Press in Brussels
Monday October 9, 2006
The Guardian (UK)

The Belgian prime minister, Guy Verhofstadt, said he had work to do to lure voters back to his national coalition after local elections produced large gains for the extreme-right party Flemish Interest and dealt a blow to his re-election prospects next year. Mr Verhofstadt's Liberal Democrats lost votes mostly at the expense of Flemish Interest and the Christian Democrats. The extreme-right party, which ran on an anti-immigrant platform, has been kept in opposition in Antwerp by an unlikely rainbow coalition whose only common cause is keeping the city out of the hands of the far right.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiimmigrant; belgian; belgium; extremeright; minister; party; platform; prime; shock
Has Europe had enough Muslim immigrants yet?
1 posted on 10/08/2006 6:36:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Since al-Guardian is "extreme left" coupled with a perverse love for Islamo-fascists, I won't trust their characterization of this party too much..... anyone who wants to save Europe from Islamo-fascists is "extreme right" in their book....


2 posted on 10/08/2006 6:41:46 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: blam
I think it is more that the world is slowly waking up to the propaganda that the left spews, the promises they make they do not fulfill and their governing ideas and practices fail the people and hurt them more than help them.

People around the world are smarter than the left politicians like to think and after years to decades of failing them, the masses are slowly waking up.

GW is the not the problem in this world. Liberals are and their willing partners in the media that like to cheer them on.
3 posted on 10/08/2006 6:44:01 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: Enchante

No, these guys are anti-Semitic former-neo-Nazi skinheads who recently converted from beating up Jews to beating up Arabs. I don't like them, I don't trust them, and even if I agree with them on a couple of issues, I'm not going to want to have anything to do with them. Neither should y'all.


4 posted on 10/08/2006 6:45:04 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: blam

I wonder what the pre-election polls looked like.


5 posted on 10/08/2006 6:45:35 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Alter Kaker

Not all Christians are skinheads or hate mongers, though the left surely like to paint us as such.


6 posted on 10/08/2006 6:48:02 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Oh, thanks for the info, I'll certainly believe your characterization of them, I just don't trust al-Guardian!!

They sound like bad news.... too bad it's tough to find political parties in the EU that are neither socialist wankers nor neo-Nazi..... what else is left in that God-forsaken continent????


7 posted on 10/08/2006 6:48:45 PM PDT by Enchante (There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and the Drive-By Media)
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To: gusopol3
I wonder what the pre-election polls looked like.

Hillary in a landslide

Doogle

8 posted on 10/08/2006 6:51:08 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF 69-73...."never store a threat you should have eliminated")
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To: Alter Kaker; blam
. I don't like them, I don't trust them, and even if I agree with them on a couple of issues, I'm not going to want to have anything to do with them. Neither should y'all.

But if mainstream politicians refuse to tackle the real issues concerning the unrestrained immigration of Muslims who refuse to assimilate, the extremist parties are sure to grow even more.

9 posted on 10/08/2006 6:51:17 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: blam

As Churchill said, the Hun is always at your throat or at your feet. The liberal line has them at the immigrants' feet right now, "right now" being the operative term.


10 posted on 10/08/2006 6:51:55 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: Alter Kaker
No, these guys are anti-Semitic former-neo-Nazi skinheads who recently converted from beating up Jews to beating up Arabs.

Well, at least they probably won't be too sensitive about preserving a politically-correct image

11 posted on 10/08/2006 6:52:34 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: jrooney
Not all Christians are skinheads or hate mongers, though the left surely like to paint us as such.

???

I didn't accuse Christians of being skinheads. I accused Vlaams Belang, a Belgian political party, of being dominated by violent, thuggish skinheads. See the difference?

12 posted on 10/08/2006 6:55:14 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Well, at least they probably won't be too sensitive about preserving a politically-correct image

Party activists have murdered five or six people in Belgium in the last few months -- some of the stories are absolutely horrific. Make no mistake -- these people are neo-Nazis.

13 posted on 10/08/2006 6:56:31 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: blam; Enchante; jrooney; karnage; BinaryBoy; G.Mason; TexasCajun; edcoil; PeteB570; Ohioan; ...
What would an ethical and good-natured Repatriation Policy be like? There in Belgium, here, wherever. Consentual and non-coercive one would assume -- along the lines of an offer for relocation asssistance and counsel.

About what percent of cultural aliens would accept such an offer of Cultural Repatriation?

14 posted on 10/08/2006 7:04:30 PM PDT by ProCivitas ("Well... it ain't exactly a Swiss village, is it?" --- Colin Quinn, Boston Comic,ToughCrowd host.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Party activists have murdered five or six people in Belgium in the last few months -- some of the stories are absolutely horrific. Make no mistake -- these people are neo-Nazis.

I agree with Paleo Conservative. The skinhead party is gaining votes because the "mainstream" parties are not listening to the voters and are locked into open border multicultural group think.

15 posted on 10/08/2006 7:10:21 PM PDT by Maynerd (Virtual Fence - only the tax dollars are real)
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To: Alter Kaker
Islamophobe Party Slumps In Antwerp

By David Rennie in Antwerp
The Telegraph (UK)
(Filed: 09/10/2006)

The most successful far-Right party in Europe, the Vlaams Belang, or Flemish Interest party, suffered a major upset last night, losing its dominant status in Belgium's second largest city, Antwerp.

Before polls opened, the party was predicting that it would win nearly 40 per cent of all votes cast in Antwerp.

Instead, voters handed a huge increase to the Flemish Socialist party, SPA, with 35.3 per cent of the vote.

Vlaams Belang's share rose slightly to 33.5 per cent, final results showed. It made gains in northern Flanders, with its share up seven percentage points to about 20 per cent.

The port is a historic city of some 450,000 people, rocked by rising racial tensions, including the double murder of a toddler and her African nanny by a teenage skinhead with close family links to Vlaams Belang.

For the past six years, the party has been kept out of power in Antwerp by a "rainbow coalition" from across the political spectrum.

In a bold move, Vlaams Belang declared it was expecting significant support from Antwerp's 20,000 strong Orthodox Jewish community, despite its links with Belgium's Nazi occupiers in the Second World War. The party has softened its once combative, anti-immigrant rhetoric for this election, adopting the slogan "Secure, Flemish, Liveable", and stressing issues such as fighting street crime.

The party's prospective mayor in Antwerp, Filip Dewinter, coined the description "Islamophobia" in an interview with an American Jewish magazine last year, to describe Vlaams Belang's determination "to stop the spread of Islam in Europe".

The party has called for strict limits on immigration; limits on the number of mosques in Flanders; rules forcing immigrants to learn Dutch and study Flemish culture, and curbs on state benefits for jobless immigrants.

Mr Dewinter, 44, estimates that illegal immigrants comprise about 6.5 per cent of the city's population. In all about 50,000 of the total population is Muslim.

However, Orthodox Jewish residents had scorned the idea that Vlaams Belang would win up to a third of their community's votes.

Wearing Orthodox black suits, the men were carrying palm fronds in honour of the feast of Sukkot, celebrated this weekend.

That festival meant it was forbidden for Jews to cast their votes, unless they had organised a proxy vote.

16 posted on 10/08/2006 7:22:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

there is a tide of right winger winning throughout the world. Here, Mexico, Canada, Australia, Europe.


17 posted on 10/08/2006 7:23:43 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: gusopol3
I wonder what the pre-election polls looked like.

Dims take over both Houses of Congress.

Pray for W and Our Troops

18 posted on 10/08/2006 7:23:56 PM PDT by bray (Voting for the Rats is a Deathwish)
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To: Alter Kaker
Party activists have murdered five or six people in Belgium in the last few months -- some of the stories are absolutely horrific. Make no mistake -- these people are neo-Nazis.

Well we can use the Nazis to control the Communists, then we'll control the Nazis! (cold echoes from the past)
19 posted on 10/08/2006 7:27:02 PM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Alter Kaker
"No, these guys are anti-Semitic former-neo-Nazi skinheads who recently converted from beating up Jews to beating up Arabs. I don't like them, I don't trust them, and even if I agree with them on a couple of issues."

If Europe doesn't want skinheads elected, then the MSM and Mainstream political parties should permit a civilized debate on immigration. If not, it will soon be mob rule.

And personally, I don't have a problem with any group beating up Arabs in Europe, given how they are raping Swedish girls on a regular basis - and then taking advantage of the left-wing judicial system to skate out of jail.
20 posted on 10/08/2006 7:36:31 PM PDT by MediaAnalyst
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To: Enchante

Yes, any party that is against the Islamic invasion of Europe is labeled "far right" by the Guardian, the voice of Britain's bureaucratic left.


21 posted on 10/08/2006 7:42:20 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: MediaAnalyst
And personally, I don't have a problem with any group beating up Arabs in Europe, given how they are raping Swedish girls on a regular basis - and then taking advantage of the left-wing judicial system to skate out of jail.

In May, Hans van Themsche, an activist member of the far-right skinhead party in question shot and injured a Turkish woman as she sat, reading a book. Then he shot and killed a black immigrant nanny who was eight months pregnant, and the white Belgian girl in her care.

So tell me, which Swedish girls did the victims of this thug rape, exactly? And why do you support him?

22 posted on 10/08/2006 7:47:21 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: MediaAnalyst
And personally, I don't have a problem with any group beating up Arabs in Europe, given how they are raping Swedish girls on a regular basis -..

And not just gang raping all over the place, but stabbings are constant, and just last week they grabbed that boy in Scotland, dumped gasoline on him, and hideously, painfully, burned the boy to death! I think that's what has finally set off the Limeys, especially males can identify with what that 15 year old must have been feeling.

In light of all these acts, let's not forget who we're talking about here. So if this political party has killed people, they are murderers too, and murder is murder, but their killings are dwarfed in number and geographical dispersement by the number and range of people the Muslims have killed.
23 posted on 10/08/2006 7:52:17 PM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Alter Kaker
We're talking about beating some sense into these people who think that they can take over Europe and kick out the infidel. You're talking about shooting - I don't support that. I do support giving the Muslims the option of leaving or being deported - or jettisoning that 'religion'.

Sorry if it's getting a bit nasty, but the Europeans didn't invite these people in so that they could behave like animals.
24 posted on 10/08/2006 7:53:27 PM PDT by MediaAnalyst
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To: starbase
Yea - I think that Europeans are finalling waking up to the fact that it's time to fight. It's up to the Muslims now to start behaving and taking their medicine, or very ugly things are just around the corner.

MULTICULTURALISM IS DEAD IN EUROPE.

Become European - or leave.
25 posted on 10/08/2006 7:56:18 PM PDT by MediaAnalyst
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To: MediaAnalyst
We're talking about beating some sense into these people who think that they can take over Europe and kick out the infidel.

Sorry, your approach rubs me the wrong way. We've been down this path before.

26 posted on 10/08/2006 7:57:30 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker
In May, Hans van Themsche, an activist member of the far-right skinhead party in question shot and injured a Turkish woman as she sat, reading a book. Then he shot and killed a black immigrant nanny who was eight months pregnant, and the white Belgian girl in her care.

And what was the party's reaction?

27 posted on 10/08/2006 8:00:29 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Alter Kaker

"Sorry, your approach rubs me the wrong way. We've been down this path before."

Wrong - that time they were chasing a false enemy.

This time it's a real enemy (even if their MSM won't let them know), and it's TIME TO FIGHT BACK.

Bad analogy.


28 posted on 10/08/2006 8:01:47 PM PDT by MediaAnalyst
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To: MediaAnalyst
Wrong - that time they were chasing a false enemy.

Whether the enemy is real or imaginary, a Krystalnacht-style attack against Muslims would be not only wrong, but also not terribly effective. The Krystalnacht analogy may be a good one, however, to make clear what is going to happen if reasonable measures are not taken against the growing threat.

29 posted on 10/08/2006 8:12:15 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Doesn't sound like an 'activist member' here

In 11 May Hans Van Themsche, an unstable 18-year old boy, went berserk after being expelled from boarding school because he had smoked in the dormitories. Hans told friends that he was going to commit suicide. He left school, shaved his head, dressed entirely in black, took a train to Antwerp and bought a sporting rifle. Then he went on a rampage in Antwerp’s city centre, imitating the computer game “Grand Theft Auto.” He shot and killed a white toddler and her black nanny and wounded a Turkish woman before the police shot and arrested him. Because Van Themsche’s aunt, Frieda Van Themsche, happens to be a Vlaams Belang parliamentarian, the entire Belgian establishment – from King Albert II to Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt and the left-wing...

30 posted on 10/08/2006 8:13:52 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Maynerd

That's a big 10-4. It will probably be the soccer hooligans who save England. I don't agree with these thugs, but say what you will, they hate the way the Islamofascist bastards are bringing the country down. If they only had a second amendment over there. That second amendment obviates the necessity of fringe rightists of all stripes. No I'm not a gun nut, but with a second amendment in place you don't have 5,000 cars being burned in France. Rioters should feel like they are under the muzzle of a gun.


31 posted on 10/08/2006 8:16:14 PM PDT by donaldo
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To: Alter Kaker
You know, we hear about these "ultra-right" or "extreme-right" parties in Europe (there's apparently no such thing as the "extreme-left") who are always characterized as "anti-Semitic former-neo-Nazi skinheads" or some such. But, at the same time, they also seem to be the only groups who are taking Europe's multitudinious crises seriously to any degree. I simply can't believe that there is no one in Old Europe taking it's economic stagnation, demographic implosion, and Islamic invasion seriously, whose not a neo-Nazi. It just defies common sense and smells of left-wing agitprop. Sorry, I'm not upset with you, really. I'm just so sick of this paradigm popping up over and over and over again in Germany, Belgium, France, Holland. It's tiresome!
32 posted on 10/08/2006 8:17:22 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: ProCivitas; All
What would an ethical and good-natured Repatriation Policy be like?

Well I'm not a professional psychologist, but I've gotten into behavioral psychology lately, because the question "Why do they do that?" fascinates me.

In this case, if one stimulus is agreeable and another disagreeable, then the organism in question will gravitate toward that which is agreeable.

So first and foremost, stop giving these people social benefits, (cash, apartments, food, cars). I mean that alone explains why they want to come to Europe, those things are very agreeable stimuli. Their absence would replace a positive with an empty set.

Then, when that stimulus is removed, pay them some large amount of money( Oh, I don't know, perhaps the dollar amount that all those services are costing society anyway over a 3 or 5 year period, something like that), to move away from Europe and renounce any right for themselves or their children to live there.

To make it even more attractive, the European state in question could build a new city for these people in whatever Muslim hovel they move back to. Yes, just a bunch of row houses and some roads, a few water works, a bit of infrastructure you see. Of course it will all go to ruin when these people move back and continue their time tested habits for generating poverty and violence, but that won't be the problem of the European country anymore at that point.

Of course the decision must be made to cut off the benefits, and to single out Muslims, and those break civil laws across Europe, and are a political argument, but behaviorally, I think this Big Compensation scheme would do the trick. And the payouts would stop (that's cash payouts and the social costs of hosting belligerent Muslim populations) with each removed family, so overtime it pays for itself, and everyone gets something nice and should be happy, but except once the money runs out and the new houses get run down, the Muslims will be back to complaining, but they must change their ways if they want to change the Muslim world in any meaningful way going forward.
33 posted on 10/08/2006 8:18:06 PM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: marsh_of_mists

Outstanding! Well said.


34 posted on 10/08/2006 8:19:46 PM PDT by donaldo
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To: blam
Has Europe had enough Muslim immigrants yet?

Denmark has been "right" for some years. Sweden changed "right" a couple weeks ago!!!

35 posted on 10/08/2006 8:23:07 PM PDT by danamco
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To: supercat
"The Krystalnacht analogy may be a good one, however, to make clear what is going to happen if reasonable measures are not taken against the growing threat."

Agreed - that appears to be next, given the events in Europe.

Bummer. If the elites and the MSM there could simply admit a mistake and send those animals back, the first holocaust of the 21st century would not even be necessary.
36 posted on 10/08/2006 8:28:01 PM PDT by MediaAnalyst
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To: blam

If they're the only ones who want to defend Europe, then it's a good thing people are voting for them. The other parties will eventually either adapt or die.


37 posted on 10/08/2006 9:23:03 PM PDT by BinaryBoy
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