There was a seismic event. Note, however, that it lasts for several minutes (nukes spike hard and then are over pretty fast, in comparison).
http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/telemetry_data/INCN_24hr.html
Also, NK claims they did it at 10:36.
Posted on 10/08/2006 9:07:09 PM PDT by struggle
Does anyone here think is is fishy that a claimed 400kt was a 5kt poof? Does anyone here think this is a conventional detonation of a few thousand tons in a shallow surface location to create the appearance of a nuke?
No nuclear signature, no leak. Is that suspicious? Is North Korea simply trying to save face and collect money?
Probably a mass fart from all the cabbage consumption.
I wouldn't count on it, I say load up the B-2's and F-117's with heavy weapons and take care of this little problem for good.
Not so much as a donkey fart here: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/10/125_40.php
USGS has confirmed to the media a 3.5 from NK.
There was a seismic event. Note, however, that it lasts for several minutes (nukes spike hard and then are over pretty fast, in comparison).
http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/telemetry_data/INCN_24hr.html
Also, NK claims they did it at 10:36.
It would be pretty easy to tell. A nuke test is very obvious on a seismograph.
It's a lie. Pure and simple. Jong is just trying to consolodate his power and pass it on to his next of kin before he dies of diabetic organ failure.
US officially confirmed it was a nuclear test, just smaller than what NK hoped for, but that doesn't make it any less significant.
NK gave China a 20 min warning and China also warned the US shortly thereafter.
actually that was my first thought....
but it is a nice break from "Pin the scandal on the Gay" week.......
I haven't seen it on any news site. Your source link, please?
Bomb them either way! If it's a fake, so much the better. If it's real, they asked for it!
The 400kt is wrong. That's not a number one could even imagine getting with the first nuke test in one's program. Either the administration official made a mistake to FOX or it's pro-US spin.
Also, military officials wouldn't even be saying that it was a nuke test if they didn't know that it was a nuke test. Again, the seismograph is very characteristic. The USGS has record of a 3.5 from NK. (Not up on the website yet, and according to some here, it may never be.) I'm sure our officials have already analyzed that, as well as other information, to come to the conclusion that NK did conduct a legitimate and successful nuke test.
Breaking News Banner: U.S. Official Confirms North Korean Nuclear Test to FOX News
http://www.foxnews.com/
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FoxNews TV -- but I couldn't find it posted on the internet.
They had a Bush admin official on the phone, I didn't catch his name.
I should add a third option: Total overexaggeration from NK of what they expected for bragging purposes. However, the NK scientists surely did not expect 400kt, I can guarantee you that.
This does not mean they are anywhere near capable of putting a nuclear warhead on any of their missiles. That said, it's still an important event in the fact that such a device can be put on a ship, taken to a port, and detonated in a major population center.
You know if Iranian "observers" were present for the 4th of July missile tests, they were also around for this. The above scenario is not something I would put past either NK or Iran.
That's a Magnitude 6.2 earthquake in Tonga in the South Pacific.
Oh, I think one of the first things they'll do is sell one to Iran.
Just checked FoxNews website says US couldn't confirm, but I heard the guy with my own ears and he was supposedly making official statements, including about the warning, which I also didn't see on the web yst.
I guess there are some delays and confusion.
It is fairly recognizable, but isn't going to be on the various webicorders avaliable on the web - seismometers are set to different sensitivity levels and various frequencies and the ones on the web aren't really attuned to picking up small nuclear tests.
"a 5kt poof?"
Let's not drag Bawney into this.
I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if it was a joint effort.
NOW It's finally on FoxNews website as breaking:
U.S. Official Confirms North Korean Nuclear Test to FOX News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218699,00.html
Only IF true, then we've just confirmed a North Korean act of war.
The Korean War Armistace forbids nuclear weapons on the entire Korean Peninsula.
Violating the Armistace returns us to a shooting war, effectively.
Sounds real to me. Im listening to live streaming of the BBC. They keep updating the situation. No donkeys mentioned on the BBC but in USENET... the dems are getting blamed for this. Especially Clinton.
http://www.cafenetamerica.com
The idea they would fake a nuke test frankly is preposterous.
Not even Kim would stoop to that.
If they say they did it, they did it.
come on.
Nothing on the siesmo chart at 0226 UTC.
Jong must be confused that his flatulence was a nuclear test
It actually puts the Euro's in an awkward position with regard to their nuclear talks with Iran.
this sort of scenario or something similar is our worst nightmare, exactly why I said NUKE them right now back into the stone age, may God rest their souls.
Magnitude 4.2 - NORTH KOREA
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php
Yes according to nancy pelosi, but Folye case is NOT!!!
Not really. It's not like outrageous claims and outright lies don't already occur in NK and other communist countries. In this case, howver, I do believe they were able to conduct a test on a device similar to what we made in the in the 1940s.
Well, let's see now. Hiroshima was 15 kt and Nagasaki was 21kt and someone says 400 kt. I don't think so. I'm not yet convinced it was real although we'll know soon enough.
What is it that they are wanting? I don't see what they gain from this if it is true. What am I missing?
It's hugh!!
I'm series!
| Magnitude | 4.2 (Light) |
|---|---|
| Date-Time |
|
| Location | 41.311°N, 129.114°E |
| Depth | 0 km (~0 mile) set by location program |
| Region | NORTH KOREA |
| Distances | 70 km (45 miles) N of Kimchaek, North Korea 90 km (55 miles) SW of Chongjin, North Korea 180 km (110 miles) S of Yanji, Jilin, China 385 km (240 miles) NE of PYONGYANG, North Korea |
| Location Uncertainty | horizontal +/- 14.9 km (9.3 miles); depth fixed by location program |
| Parameters | Nst= 9, Nph= 9, Dmin=369.4 km, Rmss=1.13 sec, Gp= 97°, M-type=body magnitude (Mb), Version=6 |
| Source | USGS NEIC (WDCS-D) |
| Event ID | ustqab |
no doubt... I wonder how much $ Kim is willing to sell a low-tech nuke for... :\
No this was not a fake. As reported elsewhere, the bomb was provided through the office of karl rove (sshhh). He could ill afford a phoney explosion being exposed--so it was the real thing.
shooting across the DMZ violates the Armistice, as they did earlier in the week and on and off for years.
course, the armistice is with the UN...bout as good as flash paper.
Possible fizzle?
It was probably a very small nuke because they only have a limited supply of plutonium. They wouldn't want to use half of it up on one test.
I say we don't believe them and make them try again and use up the rest of their Pu.
It seems most are missing this most salient of points.
Truman should have let MacArthur finish the job.
IBTRYMBP!!!!!
Iran will be watching how the world reacts to North Korea.
That's like 40-50 miles from the coast depending on which way you go.
Someone should have a closer look see.
Google Maps Satellite View
Just some data points for comparison:
The major conventional explosion on board the Russian submarine Kursk back in 2000 measured a 4.2 http://geology.about.com/library/weekly/aa012801a.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/01/010122094229.htm
Likewise, a 4.0 is about what the sonic boom from the Space Shuttle's re-entry makes: http://www.ig.utexas.edu/outreach/cataclysms/earthquakes/key/AnswerEq3.pdf
Here's a natural gas explosion seismogram for comparison: http://dutchman.nmt.edu/Geop/Pipeline/pipeline.html
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