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Terror WMD feared in police poisoning. Hundreds of Iraqi officers, some bleeding from ears, ill
WND ^ | Oct. 8, 2006 | WND

Posted on 10/08/2006 10:15:15 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Hundreds of Iraqi policemen fell sick from poisoning tonight at their base in the southern part of the country after the evening meal breaking their daily Ramadan fast, raising fears of a new type of terrorist attack – perhaps even involving chemical, biological or nerve agents.

Some of the policemen reportedly began bleeding from the ears and nose immediately after the meal...

The suddenness and severity of the mass poisoning immediately raised fears of a new kind of terrorist attack for the nation of Iraq where weapons of mass destruction have not been used since Saddam Hussein was in power.

Iraqi forces under Saddam Hussein had an extremely potent mustard gas called "khardal" in Arabic. It was originally manufactured in Russia. Symptoms include bleeding from the eyes, ears and nose two minutes after exposure.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atropine; chemicalwarfare; gwot; iraq; iraqipolice; khardal; mustardgas; policepoisoned; terrorattack; terrorism; wmd; wot
Earlier article posted at FR:

Hundreds of Iraq police fall ill at meal

Seems like WND either read one of our FReeper's, , michigander's posts about mustard gas being an agent that was found in Iraq and exposure produces bleeding of the nose and ears, or have done their own research and came to a conclusion that mustard gas could at least be considered as an agent that caused the illness.

1 posted on 10/08/2006 10:15:17 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: michigander

PING


2 posted on 10/08/2006 10:15:43 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

Nah, there were no WMD in Iraq.../s


3 posted on 10/08/2006 10:20:21 PM PDT by Vortex (Garbage in, Garbage Out)
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To: FairOpinion

Where would terrorists get chemical weapons? There weren't any WMD in Iraq.


4 posted on 10/08/2006 10:20:47 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: FairOpinion
FR is replacing AP, UPI, and Rooters as a source.
We're quicker and more accurate.
5 posted on 10/08/2006 10:21:03 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Everyone keep clam!)
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To: FairOpinion
"...the nation of Iraq where weapons of mass destruction have not been used since Saddam Hussein was in power."

But Iraq doesn't have any WMD.

6 posted on 10/08/2006 10:22:46 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: FairOpinion

Dreadful, just dreadful.


7 posted on 10/08/2006 10:23:50 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: FairOpinion

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/021114/2002111406.html

Washington's worries over Iraq's demands for Atropine
Iraq-USA, Politics, 11/14/2002

The US has expressed concern over the information rumored by the mass media on Iraq's request of more than one million of doses of Atropine -- which is used for immunization against Khardal gas (chemical) from a Turkish company.

In a press statement a high ranking official at the US Department of State said that Washington is concerned over this Iraqi demand which includes 1.25 million dose which was handed over for the UN.

The source added that Washington discussed this issue with Ankara, adding that similar demands for the same material might be handed over to other countries which he did not identify.

For his part, the spokesman for the US Department of State, Richard Boucher, said that Iraq's demand for amounts of Atropine that exceed ordinary humanitarian needs is a source of concern because this might indicate preparations for using chemical weapons and the desire of Iraq to ensure protection for its forces from using these weapons.

On Tuesday, the US secretary of state Colin Powell said replying to a question in this regard in conclusion of a meeting he had held with the UN secretary general Kofi Annan that Atropine is a dual military and civilian use material, but its basic use is an for immunization against poisonous gases.

On Tuesday the New York Times daily quoted high ranking officials in the Bush administration saying that Iraq has asked, through a Turkish company to get large amounts of Atropine material which is an immunization for Khardal gas and that the US is pressuring the said company in order not to implement the contract.

Hmmm


8 posted on 10/08/2006 10:24:04 PM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: Paleo Conservative

At some point it was reported that we found mustard gas in the Euphrates river, during routine testing of the water -- during the 2003 war. It seemed this was one way they were getting rid of it.

ON the other thread everyone was trying to come up with some poison, that would act so quickly and cause these symptoms, but nobody could, that included people doing searches.

Until michigander posted the intel info about the mustarg gas and low and behold it specifically said that it caused bleeding from the mouth and nose within two minutes of exposure.

I hope they will test the place for residue of mustard gas, not just test the food and drinks.


9 posted on 10/08/2006 10:26:05 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: PissAndVinegar

"Iraq's demand for amounts of Atropine that exceed ordinary humanitarian needs is a source of concern because this might indicate preparations for using chemical weapons and the desire of Iraq to ensure protection for its forces from using these weapons. "


Interesting. Thanks for posting it.


10 posted on 10/08/2006 10:27:17 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: ASA Vet
eh - so - and I'm more honest than Bill Clinton and better looking than Helen Thomas ;).

Not much worth bragging about there, to say we beat AP or Reuters.

(Damn straight we're better - <grin>)

11 posted on 10/08/2006 10:32:13 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (We are but Seekers of Truth, not the Source.)
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To: FairOpinion
I smelled the scent of burnt plastic and burnt garlic and onions. I saw many wounded and dead people lying down on the ground. I saw their skin was swollen and had turned black, some had foam around their mouths and blood came out of their noses. I saw these people on the escape route from the village. My eyes hurt, they burned severely and were full of tears, I saw through a sort of mist. My son pjp had swollen eyes and his sight was bad. When we came to Iran I got medication, my son pjp still has eye problems and I do too, they turn red easily and since that time I get nervous quickly and I also suffer from kidney problems.
I heard that Khardal was used.

http://www.frompeacetojustice.nl/eCache/DEF/4/497.html

I recommend you google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=khardal+gas+iraq
12 posted on 10/08/2006 10:34:13 PM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: jveritas; eyespysomething

Ping


13 posted on 10/08/2006 10:34:37 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: PissAndVinegar
The US has expressed concern over the information rumored by the mass media on Iraq's request of more than one million of doses of Atropine -- which is used for immunization against Khardal gas (chemical) from a Turkish company.

Atropine is the antidote for nerve gas agents such as Sarin, Tabun, or Vx.

14 posted on 10/08/2006 10:35:22 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: jazusamo

WOW!!!


15 posted on 10/08/2006 10:38:08 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1716099/posts?page=10#8

Thought this would interest you (from previous posts)


16 posted on 10/08/2006 10:38:22 PM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...

Busy night... Also check out post #8.


17 posted on 10/08/2006 10:39:21 PM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I'm more honest than Bill Clinton and better looking than Helen Thomas

I've seen no proof that you're not really Bill Clinton or Helen Thomas.
(I checked SNOPES too. They don't say you're not.)

18 posted on 10/08/2006 10:43:12 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Everyone keep clam!)
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To: PissAndVinegar

Thanks for sharing your personal experience. It's unimaginable that people calling themselves human being can do this. Anyone perpetrating these horrors doesn't deserve to be called human and needs to be exterminated.


19 posted on 10/08/2006 10:43:37 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: nutmeg
Thallium??
20 posted on 10/08/2006 10:44:26 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: nutmeg

And be sure to check out


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1716003/posts?page=163#163


21 posted on 10/08/2006 10:45:11 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
not my experience, a testimony I found (I should have been clearer)
22 posted on 10/08/2006 10:46:46 PM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: FairOpinion

Iraq had/still has WMD? Oh surely that isn't so.......it can't be, since the MSM and all of the Dems keep telling us now, after years and years and years of saying there were, that there aren't any WMDS there and never was any.


23 posted on 10/08/2006 10:47:06 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: PissAndVinegar
Not only Antropine, but chemical warfare gears. I did this translation of this Iraqi document many months ago that talks about requesting chemical gears and I read some other documents that talk about the same subject.

Document Dated February/3/2003: Chemical Gears for The Chemical Group http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603039/posts

24 posted on 10/08/2006 10:47:22 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Fiddlstix

But Thallium doesn't cause "bleeding of the nose and ears shortly after ingestion".

There are quick acting poisons, but not with those symptoms.

So far the mustard gas theory was the one that matched the symptoms and very short timeline.

People considered warfarin, ricin, but the symtoms and timeline couldn't be made to match.


25 posted on 10/08/2006 10:48:23 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: ASA Vet

The story is from World Net Daily.


26 posted on 10/08/2006 10:49:51 PM PDT by stultorum (dont hire illegal aliens)
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To: FairOpinion

Thanks for the info. I know thallium is deadly and was used in rat poisons. In rats, at least, it kills quickly.


27 posted on 10/08/2006 10:50:59 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: FairOpinion

Wow, thanks for that link in #21. I just pinged my list to michigander's post.


28 posted on 10/08/2006 10:52:11 PM PDT by nutmeg (National security trumps everything else.)
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To: nutmeg

I had it in my first post, but I figured people may miss clicking on it, that's why I posted it again.


29 posted on 10/08/2006 10:56:18 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
It's unimaginable that people calling themselves human being can do this.

You're exactly right. I can imagine one or two people that are mental cases doing something like this but these terrorists are all like this.

30 posted on 10/08/2006 10:56:54 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
What would John Boy I was in Vietnam Kerry do in this situation. RUN like the French coward he is................
31 posted on 10/08/2006 10:58:30 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia now a certified socialist state reporting to Mexico City for further instructions)
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To: stultorum; ASA Vet

But I think they may have gotten the idea ( note the "MAY HAVE") from a FReeper post,please go back to my post 1.

And even if they did get it from there, they recognized that it made a lot of sense and were willing to take a chance and go with it, at least as a possibility.


32 posted on 10/08/2006 10:58:34 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

Is it just me or is this a little worrying considering that NK just detonated what looks like a baby nuke or an atomic fizzle tonight as well?


33 posted on 10/08/2006 11:12:09 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: Tut

Ping for later


34 posted on 10/09/2006 12:03:40 AM PDT by Tut
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To: Centurion2000

It's not you, the entire world has gone stark raving mad in the past 24 hours.

I'd like to kick the dims in the teeth for their BLATANT LIES about the WMDs in Iraq. The WOT has just been ratcheted up about ten thousand notches.

God help us!


35 posted on 10/09/2006 12:06:59 AM PDT by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: FairOpinion

Is this being reported in the media,does fox know this ?




36 posted on 10/09/2006 12:14:09 AM PDT by patriciamary
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To: patriciamary

Only WorldNetDaily picked it up.

But hopefully others will pick it up from them and from FR.



37 posted on 10/09/2006 12:18:46 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: PissAndVinegar

NOVEMBER 27, 2002 - MARCH 7, 2003 : (UNMOVIC INSPECTORS ARRIVE IN IRAQ, UNMOVIC BEGINS DESTRUCTION OF 50 LITERS OF MUSTARD GAS IRAQ ADMITTED IT HAD) Since the arrival of the first inspectors in Iraq on 27 November 2002, UNMOVIC has conducted more than 550 inspections covering approximately 350 sites, 44 of which were new. All inspections were performed without notice and, in virtually all cases, access was provided promptly. In no case have the inspectors seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance of their impending arrival. The UNMOVIC has identified and started the destruction of approximately 50 litres of mustard declared by Iraq.- according to the UN, "Statements to the UN Security Council by two Inspectors and Members of the SC, 7 Mar 2003 ," UN Press Release SC/7682, 07/03/2003, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/859554/posts


38 posted on 10/09/2006 12:58:15 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: jveritas

that translation you mentioned would fit into the time period in my last post.


39 posted on 10/09/2006 1:04:19 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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#24 & #38


40 posted on 10/09/2006 2:11:44 AM PDT by AmeriBrit (Soros and Clinton's for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington = SCREW.)
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To: FairOpinion

BTTT


41 posted on 10/09/2006 2:32:48 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: FairOpinion
OK, question: mustard gas may produce these symptoms, but does it produce only these symptoms? Shouldn't there be obvious skin and lung damage, for instance?
42 posted on 10/09/2006 2:57:09 AM PDT by Grut
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To: Grut
I woner if we're looking at ingested Mustard gas, so to speak - hence no damage to skin or lungs.
43 posted on 10/09/2006 3:43:02 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

woner=wonder, sorry.


44 posted on 10/09/2006 3:43:23 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: FairOpinion

Iraq PM orders probe into mass poisoning of police

Mon Oct 9, 2006 8:18am ET

By Jaafar al-Taie

NUMANIYA, Iraq (Reuters) - Iraq's Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki ordered an investigation on Monday into a case of food poisoning that left hundreds of policemen ill.

It was not clear if the poisoning of at least 350 police was deliberate, but police sources said they arrested four cooks suspected of tampering with food at the Iraqi military base in Numaniya, about 120 km (75 miles) southeast of Baghdad.

"The (Prime Minister) has ordered the formation of a committee to investigate why members of the police force were poisoned," Maliki's office said.

Iraq's Health Ministry said on Monday an early investigation into the Numaniya poisoning showed a chemical substance was used that caused difficulty in breathing and severe pain in limbs. They said 17 people had seizures after they broke their fast on Sunday evening.

A military spokesman denied reports of fatalities.

"Only 350 to 400 people were poisoned, they were given medical treatment instantly and four were taken to a nearby hospital and everyone has returned to normal," spokesman Brigadier Qasim al-Musawi told a news conference.

However, Lieutenant-Colonel Hasan Nima at the base said the policemen, from the Interior Ministry's 4th division, became ill only minutes after the meal and insisted at least 1,350 of the 2,000 policemen at the base were hospitalized.

Other police sources at the base said seven people had died.


Last Updated: Monday, 9 October 2006, 09:33 GMT 10:33 UK

Police fall ill in central Iraq

Eighty-nine Iraqi police needed medical treatment after an outbreak of sickness and diarrhoea at a base in central Iraq, health ministry officials say.

They say infected water is the most likely cause of illness in the town of Numaniya. The US military says some 200-300 people are affected.

Iraqi ambulances and US helicopters took the men to hospitals, and samples of food and water were being tested.

Iraqi and US officials denied earlier reports that some of the men had died.

The policemen started falling ill soon after breaking their daylight Ramadan fast on Sunday, officials said.

There had been suggestions that the suddenness and severity of the sickness pointed to deliberate poisoning.

The outbreak happened in the 4th police division - a largely Shia unit.

It is currently stationed in Numaniya - about 80km (60 miles) south-east of Baghdad.


Monday October 9, 4:49 PM

Three Iraqi police die, hundreds sick after suspect meal

Hundreds of members of an Iraqi police unit fell sick and three died after eating a suspect meal, their commander said, although officials played down the idea of a deliberate poisoning.

Colonel Badr al-Ziadi said his men started falling ill immediately after breaking their daylight Ramadan fast on Sunday at the Numaniyah training base in eastern Iraq, and that 60 of them had required hospital treatment.

"We are not sure whether there was something in the water or if the food was spoiled," the commander from the 4th police division, a largely Shiite unit answering to the interior ministry, told AFP.

A spokesman for the inerior ministry, Brigadier Abdel-Karim Khalaf, played down the incident, which he said appeared to be caused by food poisoning.

This analysis was backed up by the regional governor, Latif al-Tarfah, who confirmed that three officers had died, but also said that an accidental contamination was the most likely explanation.


Oct. 9, 2006, 9:47AM

Iraqis probe food poisoning of cops

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA

Associated Press Writer

© 2006 The Associated Press BAGHDAD, Iraq - Authorities arrested the head of the mess hall where at least 350 Iraqi policemen suffered food poisoning, and a military spokesman said Monday that it was likely the poisonings were intentional.

Brig. Qassim al-Moussawi, a senior spokesman for the Iraqi military, denied that anyone had died after Sunday's evening meal breaking the daily Ramadan fast.

On Sunday night, an official in the Environment Ministry, Jassim al-Atwan, said 11 policemen had died. The governor of the local province of Wasit, Hamad al-Latif, said "hundreds of soldiers were poisoned" at the police base in Numaniyah, but nobody had died.

Al-Moussawi put the number of poisoned policemen at 350 to 400, but said only four victims were admitted to hospital.

"A number of people have been arrested, including the man in charge of the mess hall," al-Moussawi said.

He said investigators were pursuing two theories _ the first that spoiled food was used in the meal, perhaps as part of a corruption scheme by the contractors or officers at the base to skim off funds for the food.

But al-Moussawi said that possibility was "less likely. The stronger possibility is that it was intentional sabotage."

Gov. al-Latif said the base's food and water are supplied by an Australian contractor working through Iraqi subcontractors. He did not identify the Australian company. The food is prepared elsewhere and brought to the base.

Al-Moussawi said the contractors, workers at the location where the food is prepared and others were under investigation, but would not say how many had been detained.

Sunni insurgents fighting the police and military have not been known to use poison as a weapon. The afflicted policemen belong to the 4th Division of the National Police, whose officers are mainly Shiites.

The division normally operates around the town of Salman Pak on the southeastern outskirts of Baghdad _ an area of intense Shiite-Sunni fighting.

The division was sent to the base in Numaniyah, 60 miles southeast of the capital, for further training.


Hundreds of Iraqi police poisoned

www.chinaview.cn 2006-10-09 10:59:08

BEIJING, Oct. 9 (Xinhuanet) -- Hundreds of Iraqi policemen fell ill from poisoning Sunday after having their evening meal at a base located in the town of Numaniyah, southern Iraq.

Officials said they were investigating whether the poisoning was intentional, according to media reports Monday.

An official with the Environment Ministry said 11 policemen had died. However, the governor of Wasit province -- where the poisoning took place -- denied any deaths, though he said some of the victims were in critical condition. There was no immediate explanation for the contradictory reports.

"Hundreds of soldiers were poisoned after taking food and water in the iftar," said Wasit Governor Hamad al-Latif, referring to the meal that breaks the sunrise-to-sunset Ramadan fast. "Investigations are under way to determine the cause."

Some of the policemen began bleeding from the ears and nose after the meal, said Jassim al-Atwan, an inspector for the environment ministry, who was serving as a liaison in the investigation between the health ministry and the base.

Samples of the food and water were being tested "to determine the substance in them" and will be sent to Baghdad for further tests, al-Latif said.

Between 600-700 policemen were affected to varying degrees, and 11 who had the heaviest amount of the food had died, al-Atwan told AP.

Some of the soldiers collapsed as soon as they stood up from the meal, others fell "one after the other" as they headed out to the yard in the base to line up in formation, al-Atwan said.

Iraqi ambulances and helicopters sent by the U.S. military rushed the policemen to hospitals in Numaniyah and the nearby city of Kut.

The afflicted policemen belonged to the 4th division of the National Police.

Al-Latif said food and water at the base are provided by an Australian contractor working through Iraqi subcontractors. He did not identify the Australian firm. Enditem

(Agencies)


45 posted on 10/09/2006 8:42:03 AM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: ASA Vet

Mo Faster and Accurate!


46 posted on 10/09/2006 9:33:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist Homosexual Lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: FairOpinion

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1253115/posts


47 posted on 10/09/2006 11:08:00 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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