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N. Korea: SK Intelligence, "Unusual movements at Pung-gye-ri"(another possible nuke test)
Yonhap News (via Naver.com) ^ | 10/09/06 | Kim Nam-kwon, Lee Seung-woo

Posted on 10/09/2006 5:00:56 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

/begin my translation

S. Korean Intelligence, "Unusual movements at Pung-gye-ri, too"

[Yonhap News 2006-10-09 19:15]

Head of S. Korean Intelligence, "Additional nuclear tests are certainly possible"

(Seoul = Yonhap News) Kim Nam-kwon, Lee Seung-woo = S. Korean government is busy analyzing signs of unusual movements in the afternoon of Oct. 9 at Pung-gye-ri, Gilju County, a different place from Munsudan-ri, Hwadae County, N. Hamkyong Province, where today's nuclear test occurred.

Kim Seung-kyu, Head of S. Korean Intelligence, attended the full session of Intelligence Committee of National Assembly this afternoon. When someone asked, "Have you pinpointed the N. Korean nuclear test site?" he added this information, while giving his answer.

He said, "Starting at 3pm this afternoon, we spotted unusual movements at Pung-gye-ri, where we first thought the test would be conducted. They are movements of 30~40 personnels and vehicles. We are looking into it carefully," according to a member of the Committee.

Mr. Kim went on, "We try to figure out if they plan to do a series of tests as India and Pakistan did."

Another member of the Committee said that Mr. Kim reported, "There is ample possibility that N. Korea would conduct additional nuclear tests."

According to the member, S. Korean Intelligence estimates that the nuclear bomb which went off today is a subcritical bomb whose yield is less than 1 kt.

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Here we go, another one.
1 posted on 10/09/2006 5:00:58 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Thanks for the post.

I heard speculation about this last night.


2 posted on 10/09/2006 5:01:42 AM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; OahuBreeze; yonif; risk; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; ...

Ping!


3 posted on 10/09/2006 5:02:09 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

would not suprise me, the message here is they have a 'lot' of them and want us to think so...


4 posted on 10/09/2006 5:02:12 AM PDT by Irishguy (How do ya LIKE THOSE APPLES!!!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Interesting


5 posted on 10/09/2006 5:03:19 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Shaping up to be a busy day.


6 posted on 10/09/2006 5:03:40 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: TigerLikesRooster

For this one... they'll want to see if it works below the 38th Parallel.


7 posted on 10/09/2006 5:04:35 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Hmmmmm..well, well...busy fellow.

If they do another one, they are ASKING for BIG trouble..


8 posted on 10/09/2006 5:05:36 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I didn't think they would do another so fast. If they do, then it's for effect and has nothing to do with real testing.


9 posted on 10/09/2006 5:05:40 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: Irishguy
the message here is they have a 'lot' of them and want us to think so...

It worked for a while when the Soviets did it in the 50's.

10 posted on 10/09/2006 5:07:33 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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To: SE Mom

A second one would be for China's benefit --- China is the one supporting Kim and his regime.


11 posted on 10/09/2006 5:07:37 AM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: nuconvert
Re #9

Yep, they want to show us that they have a super duper triple over-easy big stuff.:)

12 posted on 10/09/2006 5:08:40 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Can someone more informed than me tell me where they are getting the fuel? I thought I'd read there are no natural sources in that country, so all sources are external.(?)

If they have a finite amount, I say let them set off fireworks, provided we can prevent them from getting more.

I am aware that, using the residual explosion by-products, we have the ability to tell what fuel and from where it came, true?


13 posted on 10/09/2006 5:09:02 AM PDT by RangerM
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To: nuconvert
If the yield is much higher or lower then it could well be "legitimate" test of a differently configured weapon.
14 posted on 10/09/2006 5:09:12 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: onyx

Exactly...but I'm thinking China may start to get a bit PO'ed...this is not doing them any good either...Japan and S Korea will decide to go nuke too...


15 posted on 10/09/2006 5:09:26 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
According to the member, S. Korean Intelligence estimates that the nuclear bomb which went off today is a subcritical bomb whose yield is less than 1 kt.

What is a subcritical bomb? This confusalated me with high degrees of unknowingness.
16 posted on 10/09/2006 5:10:20 AM PDT by class8601_nuke (don't just be critical, be prompt critical.)
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To: SE Mom
Agreed. I'm beginning to think the ChiComms may have lost control.
17 posted on 10/09/2006 5:11:23 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: SE Mom

Kim has embarrassed China. I hope the Chinese see it that way.


18 posted on 10/09/2006 5:12:09 AM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: RangerM
Re #13

They harvest enough plutonium from spent fuel rod from their nuclear reactors. They also have good-size uranium mine. However, harvesting weapon's grade uranium is slow and time-consuming process, according to what I know.

19 posted on 10/09/2006 5:12:28 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: onyx
Re #18

China's Hamlet moment:

Who do I hate more, N. Korea or U.S.?

This has been a really difficult question to answer until today, as far as China is concerned.

20 posted on 10/09/2006 5:14:41 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: DB

Do we really need to concerned over the size? Or is there another tactic being evaluated? I am thinking about the "failed" fireworks test from July and now this. Is it possible there is something going on behind the scenes we just have missed?

http://www.millennium-ark.net/News_Files/NBC/EMP.article.html


21 posted on 10/09/2006 5:14:41 AM PDT by EBH (All great truths begin as blasphemies. GB Shaw)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Nothing quite like intelligence that never gets acted upon. The world might as well be kicked up in the La-z-boy, watching the show with a bucket of popcorn, or kimchee if you prefer.


22 posted on 10/09/2006 5:15:50 AM PDT by GnL
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To: Irishguy
would not suprise me, the message here is they have a 'lot' of them and want us to think so.

We have a very good idea about how much fissionable material they have. They know that we know.

What is more likely is that they these are incremental tests designed to test critical components and triggering processes without wasting the plutonium that they do have.

First test: fine tune the triggers and timing mechanisms with a marginal (500 ton) yield device. Second test: scale it up and trigger a 5-10 kiloton weapons yield and grade device.

23 posted on 10/09/2006 5:16:24 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Another try. Then it'll be best two of three. 500 tons yield is a failure. The fissioned mass is a vanishingly small fraction of the device mass - truly a dirty bomb.


24 posted on 10/09/2006 5:16:54 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

China will not be happy if Japan and S Korea are given nukes. China has much to ponder today, just like you said. The child they have been supporting has shown himself to be an unmanageable brat.


25 posted on 10/09/2006 5:18:39 AM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: mainepatsfan

I'm sure there will be plenty of strategic carrier movements on the US side, off the coast of Japan.


26 posted on 10/09/2006 5:19:10 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: mainepatsfan

The Chinese, Russians, North Koreans, Iranians, Pakistanis etc are all in this together. It's an orchestrated series.

Since the US changed planning so as not to have the capacity to win two major conflicts at the same time, they know that the US will be unable to fight and win in Iraq,Afghanistan,Iran, and Korea, at the same time.

The Chinese condemnations are just hot air.

Wait for the Security Council meeting, and you will see a long procession of apologists, and obstructionists.


27 posted on 10/09/2006 5:19:35 AM PDT by plenipotentiary
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To: plenipotentiary

We'll soon find out.


28 posted on 10/09/2006 5:20:30 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: corlorde

The left will then claim we're provoking him.


29 posted on 10/09/2006 5:21:03 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: onyx
where is Mr. (MS?) Kim Jong Ill?

is he dead? Why isn't he quoted?
30 posted on 10/09/2006 5:21:16 AM PDT by BarbM
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To: onyx
The child they have been supporting has shown himself to be an unmanageable brat.
That brat may be giving his last hurrah. Reports are that heart and diabetes are such that Kim can only walk a few steps at a time.
31 posted on 10/09/2006 5:22:03 AM PDT by peyton randolph (No man knows the day nor the hour of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.)
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To: onyx
There is a hidden command center in South Korea (I've been there) that has deep command and control bunkers, and is operated by high ranking US and South Korean officers. It was rumored that this is where we would control any kind of counter strike, and that South Korea had nuclear weapons, courtesy of the United States.
32 posted on 10/09/2006 5:22:13 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Did the first one fizzle and Kim wants one big enough to make it clear that he has the real Bomb?

Last I read, the estimates were that he had enough materials and key processing chemicals for 6-12 bombs. Testing a second bomb now seems reckless unless the first test was a failure.
33 posted on 10/09/2006 5:22:25 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: peyton randolph

THAT is most worrisome. He doesn't give a damn anyway, so with his failing health, what's to stop him from trying to take out as many people with him as he possibly can?


34 posted on 10/09/2006 5:23:54 AM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: EBH

I believe the threat of an EMP device is highly over blown.

In addition, it is much more difficult to make a truly affective EMP device than it is to make a nuke.


35 posted on 10/09/2006 5:24:16 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: corlorde


GOOD


36 posted on 10/09/2006 5:24:43 AM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: George W. Bush; All

According to the Russian government the first one was no "fizzle", it was between 5 and 15 kilotons. About 10 times larger than original South Korean estimates.


37 posted on 10/09/2006 5:24:46 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: TigerLikesRooster

They might try to do something crazy here in the next few weeks.


38 posted on 10/09/2006 5:25:22 AM PDT by Alfonso1000
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To: BarbM


I don't know. He issues statements when he wishes.


39 posted on 10/09/2006 5:26:09 AM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: maquiladora

I'll trust the Russians on this one. They know a thing or two about nuclear testing and have no reason to lie about this. They can't be happy about this either.


40 posted on 10/09/2006 5:27:34 AM PDT by Alfonso1000
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To: DB
I believe the threat of an EMP device is highly over blown.

I'm curious as to your reasons for this statement.

41 posted on 10/09/2006 5:28:18 AM PDT by Fury
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To: onyx

A few Chinese assassins would be very effective, if they decided that was the case.


42 posted on 10/09/2006 5:28:20 AM PDT by 50sDad (The worst tyranny is to force a man to pay for what he doesn't want because you think he should.)
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To: mainepatsfan

Poking him with a stick? ;->


43 posted on 10/09/2006 5:28:35 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: peyton randolph
Reports are that heart and diabetes are such that Kim can only walk a few steps at a time.

Kinda like if Young Mr. Grace at Grace Brothers had nukes?

44 posted on 10/09/2006 5:29:54 AM PDT by 50sDad (The worst tyranny is to force a man to pay for what he doesn't want because you think he should.)
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To: DB

Didn't China steal some of our EMP blueprints?


45 posted on 10/09/2006 5:30:01 AM PDT by Alfonso1000
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To: onyx

If Japan & South Korea gets nukes,you have to remember that they have plenty of serious issues among themselves.If Japan & South Korea had a cohesive stand on North Korea,The Dear Leader would have been history by now.China would'nt be as dis-advantaged by such a development as you think.


46 posted on 10/09/2006 5:30:10 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: onyx

I agree, even if it just rumor, we can never discount or Ohio-class/trident subs, sure to be floating near South Korea...


47 posted on 10/09/2006 5:30:14 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: 50sDad

Indeed. The Chinese have access to him. He needs the Chinese.


48 posted on 10/09/2006 5:30:29 AM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I knew it! I knew it! I think we might see three or four of these total by the time Little Kim Boy is done.


49 posted on 10/09/2006 5:30:50 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Crap, the baby trigger worked, so now they want to test the real deal? ...


50 posted on 10/09/2006 5:31:09 AM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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