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Kashmir - Dental surgeon beheaded in broad daylight
Daily Excelsior ^ | Oct 9 2006 | Ahmed Ali Fayyaz

Posted on 10/09/2006 11:59:06 AM PDT by swarthyguy

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To: gorush
In a related story, an optomotrist fell into his lens grinding machine, making a spectacle of himself.

My optician wife thanks you for the laugh.

61 posted on 10/10/2006 12:18:34 AM PDT by montag813
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To: swarthyguy
7 razor blades! What brand?

Gilette Jihad Ultra !

62 posted on 10/10/2006 12:19:49 AM PDT by montag813
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To: swarthyguy

Let's see, who in Kashmir hates Muslims and is trying to take the territory back. I know, it's the tooth fairies.


63 posted on 10/10/2006 12:24:42 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: montag813

sounds more like Hindu Shave.

Hindus, unlike Muslims, are fairly peaceful OUTSIDE of their home country (India). But cross them in their Homeland, and Katy-bar-the-door. Sounds like what a group of freepers might want to do to Osama bin Laden.


64 posted on 10/10/2006 12:27:31 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: HOTTIEBOY

These SOBs aren't bad people. They are not people at all. They are demons from hell, and deserve no more mercy than they show to others.


65 posted on 10/10/2006 12:28:45 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Want to find a Mosque? Get your self a bomb sniffing dog.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

It don't look like this was a jihad. This was enraged Hindus trying to regain control of India.


66 posted on 10/10/2006 12:30:08 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: swarthyguy

Animals


67 posted on 10/10/2006 12:30:57 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: swarthyguy

I would guess, some popular french brand. They dull faster and ensure more pain to the victim.


68 posted on 10/10/2006 12:33:26 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Want to find a Mosque? Get your self a bomb sniffing dog.)
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To: drlevy88

Jihad or gee haw. These bastards deserve no mercy and no respect.


69 posted on 10/10/2006 12:39:55 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Want to find a Mosque? Get your self a bomb sniffing dog.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

It's well to distinguish WHICH bastages we're talking about, though. I doubt seriously if any of the gang that did this horror, will ever show up outside India to pursue their fight. Also I wonder if there could have been a grudge involved, with the gang's families having been recently brutalized and killed by Muslims. This is not a "world problem" it is an India problem.


70 posted on 10/10/2006 12:49:40 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: drlevy88
If this is a case of pay back is a bitch! And the beheaded ones were Muslims. The beheaders deserve a hearty, well done! And encouragement for their future missions.
71 posted on 10/10/2006 1:07:37 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Want to find a Mosque? Get your self a bomb sniffing dog.)
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To: drlevy88
Maybe not, but I can only feel contempt and loathing for people who take pleasure in torturing their hapless victims, before ever so slowly hacking off their heads.

I ain't talking tender persuasion such as our side uses, which is condemned by the hypocritical world and our own liberal democrats, but the real thing employed by our enemies, that the world and our liberals turn blind eyes and deaf ears to.
72 posted on 10/10/2006 6:32:00 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Want to find a Mosque? Get your self a bomb sniffing dog.)
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To: drlevy88

>>is trying to take the territory back

Back? It's a part of India.

Let me enlighten you, these come over the border from Pakistan, are hopefully killed before they do too much damage.

Try reality.


73 posted on 10/10/2006 9:37:33 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: muawiyah

Thanks for the laugh.

That is a stretch.


74 posted on 10/10/2006 9:45:40 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
Kashmir has been divided for many decades. Part is under Indian control and part is under Pakistani control.

What you refer to as a "border" is actually the "line of control" that divides that small country.

The population on both sides of that line is and has been predominantly Moslem for hundreds of years (albeit with a tradionally Hindu government up until Independence).

So, who would grab a Shia, torture him, and then slit his throat. Well, could be a bunch of Twelvers who don't like Seveners (if the guy was a Sevener but nobody said). Or, it could be a secular gang to which he might have refused to pay bakshish. Or, maybe it's some people who didn't like his dental work ~ torturing him shows pretty much that they knew that he was a dentist.

Or, maybe a bunch of Hindu extremists caught and killed him for any one of a variety of reasons which might include not wishing to pay their dental bills, or because he was a Sevener (and since almost all the Seveners are doctors, et al, in Pakistan, and India, that's not far fetched), or because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and saw something he shouldn't ~ e.g. former customers from Saudi Arabia!

Ah, yes, AlQaida operatives in Kashmir saw someone they didn't trust who could identify them so they tortured and killed him in front of a crowd of onlookers.

Sure sounds like that must be the solution eh?!

75 posted on 10/10/2006 10:56:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

>>that small country.

Kashmir isn' a country. Ask the Pakistanis.

Very nice apologist for jihadis and Pak in general.

Sunnis fight against Shia. A lot.

Your shameless justifications for trying to make this a Hindu Muslim thingie is disgusting.

Plus, you assume the dentist was a Shia. How do you know.

Maybe, perhaps, could be, etc etc. Sheesh, try writing fairy tales.

You twist and distort. All seveners, to use your asinine phrasing are doctors. In Pakistan? You are delusional. Most Hindus have left Pakistan. Most Moslems have NOT left India.

Bah. You are an apologist for these whackjobs.

Believe what you want.


76 posted on 10/10/2006 11:04:02 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
Considering that the overwhelming majority of doctors, et al in Pakistan are Seveners, I think it's safe to suggest this particular dentist might well be a Sevener.

Twelvers are all the time killing Seveners ~ mostly out of blind rage, and also because the Seveners know the truth about the Mahdi, and it's not the little kid in the well eh!

Regarding how many Hindus left Pakistan and how many Moslems left India, and how many Hindus stayed behind in Pakistan, etc., these numbers are well known and anybody who doesn't know about the Hindu minority in the South doesn't know much about Pakistan or India.

There's even been a recent National Geographic article that pointed this out ~ it's not a large number, but I was as surprised as you will be. In fact, there are still Hindu shrines in Pakistan that people from India visit. Personally I think that's nuts, but if they think it's worth the risk, then go to it.

I think you missed entirely the fact that I was being totally sarcastic coming up with a gazillion scenarios to address the "who, what, when, where and why" of that dentist's death at the hands of torturers.

Now, regarding whether or not "Kashmir" can be considered a country, I would argue that it has an ancient history of independence as a country long before the arrival of Islam in the Sind and along the Indus.

In fact, it wasn't conquered by Moslems until the late 1300s, but when that happened, the Moslems converted most of the population. Later on, like most of the rest of India, the Moghal empire absorbed it. However, by 1751, the local ruler had managed to extract independence. The Brits didn't subdue the place until 1846.

I know that Hindus have this thing about "conversion" and would argue that the population was forcibly converted to Islam and therefore should bow to Hindu supremacy in the present time. After meeting many people over the years whose families hale from Kashmir, I have yet to find a single one who would agree with you on that point. In fact, depending on the progressiveness of the local variations in Hinduism, which can vary from complete superstitious belief in demons counseled only by hallucinogenic using shamen to very advanced nearly monotheistic structures created by Brahmin guided by highly educated gurus, Islam might well have been an improvement at the time ~ but that's a debate for a different day.

As far as being an "apologist for those whack jobs", I rather think of myself as a totally disinterested, even neutral party, with numerous Moslem and Hindu friends and associates on all sides of every serious issue in South Asia. What I find amazing is that around here so many of them find it possible to co-exist, even at the dinner table. One might suppose that the further you get from India and Pakistan the less meaningful these religious differences really are.

77 posted on 10/10/2006 2:25:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: montag813
"My optician wife thanks you for the laugh."

And she is very welcome.

78 posted on 10/10/2006 9:35:42 PM PDT by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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To: muawiyah; swarthyguy
"Gengis, if we need nonsense we have only to wait on you to show up."

Or maybe not because you always neat me to it.

" populations still overlap throughout Kashmir, particularly in the areas nearest the lines of control (a substitute for a real border), and you can encounter some pretty nasty folks in that area, with either secular or religious motives."

I know about Kashmir better then you dude. Kashmir had very little Hindu population and what little population used to be there were cleansed out by the militants in the 90s.

BTW 7 is not the sacred or magical number for Hindus, its eight. And lets try your knowledge a little further, can you name any Hindu "gang" that operate in the region we are talking about? Huh? I can name several Muslim one apart from the ones mentioned in the article. Lets see you come up with one.

You know what, your half baked knowledge is the result of you "par class" public school education. Get yourself a better one and then get back to me.
79 posted on 10/11/2006 12:13:03 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: drlevy88; F.J. Mitchell
I am from India and can assure you that this isn't the work of Hindus. There arent any known "gangs" of Hindus oprating in Kashmir that too using AK-47s. The little minority of Hindus living in the valley were clensed out of Kashmir in the late 80s and early 90s. The AK-4&s come from across the border for the Islamic militants. More over the articles mentions terrorists groups like "the Hizb", "Majeed Dar" "Jihadi Ibn-i-Masood" all of these are well known Islamic terror groups.

Moreover the Sopore region very close to the Pakistan border has been wiped clean of Hindus. They were not "driven out" they were massacred.
80 posted on 10/11/2006 12:24:11 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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