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New Insights Into Healthful Compounds In Native American Diets
Science Daily ^ | 10-10-2006

Posted on 10/10/2006 7:17:41 PM PDT by blam

New Insights Into Healthful Compounds In Native American Diets

In an advance toward understanding the early California Native American diet, food scientists have identified the full range of phytochemicals in tanoak acorns.

Acorns were a staple in the diet of early Native Americans in California, comprising up to 50 percent of total food intake, Alyson E. Mitchell and colleagues note in a report in the current (Oct. 4) issue of the ACS biweekly Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.

Acorns are still used by Californian Native Americans -- special processing is needed to make the nuts edible -- to make acorn flour and soup.

Past research has indicated that acorns have higher levels of healthful tannin compounds than other nuts, so Mitchell's group set out to identify the specific hydrolyzable and condensed tannins in acorns. These same compounds are found in wine, cocoa and other foods with health benefits.

Researchers identified more than two dozen specific compounds, in what they termed a first step toward understanding the role of those compounds in Native American diets.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: acorns; americans; compound; diets; godsgravesglyphs; healthful; indians; insights; native; tanoaks

1 posted on 10/10/2006 7:17:46 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Coyoteman

GGG Ping?


2 posted on 10/10/2006 7:18:33 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Firewater. Burns away hemorrhoids.
3 posted on 10/10/2006 7:21:17 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Enterprise

Firewater, makes acorns and insects edible.


4 posted on 10/10/2006 7:23:09 PM PDT by Hilltop
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To: blam
They invented popcorn and chocolate, too. Talk to me about healthy.

(Come to think of it, that means they must have invented microwave ovens. Wonder what they plugged them into? A currant bush?)

5 posted on 10/10/2006 7:23:27 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: blam

Are these beneficial ingredients in all the casino buffets?


6 posted on 10/10/2006 7:23:58 PM PDT by Carl LaFong (Give Turtle Bay back to the turtles.Oh...and watch out for snakes!)
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To: Hilltop

LOL


7 posted on 10/10/2006 7:25:01 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: blam

And what was their life expectancy while on such a "healty" diet?


8 posted on 10/10/2006 7:27:24 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Hilltop

Firewater - go to sleep with honey sweet running fawn - wake up with moldy bear dung cloud.


9 posted on 10/10/2006 7:30:16 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: blam

"In an advance toward understanding the early California Native American diet.."

I kind of like Magwa's diet (Last of the Mohegans)- the heart of your enemy fresh cut from his breast.


10 posted on 10/10/2006 7:36:32 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Billthedrill
They invented popcorn and chocolate, too.

Isn't it ironic that they never even invented the wheel?

11 posted on 10/10/2006 7:38:19 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: blam

The article could have gone more in depth. And how are the acorns processed? Soaking with water to leech out poisonous stuff? How is acorn flour made? Recipes?


12 posted on 10/10/2006 7:39:48 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: blam

Have you ever eaten any Apache "acorn stew?" You haven't lived OR DIED until you have. LOL!!!!


13 posted on 10/10/2006 7:41:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Today we march, tomorrow we vote!" The illegal aliens won't be "staying home" on Nov. 7th.)
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To: Enterprise

LOL


14 posted on 10/10/2006 7:42:01 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Billthedrill
They in this case represented people strewn over a continent, if you are going to include chocolate (Mesoamerica), and popcorn (corn's from Mesoamerica, too, but spread over the eastern part of the United States). Also, both did not have the fattening stuff in them. Amerindian chocolate seems disgusting: it had peppers and was a drink. Popcorn probably wasn't buttered and salted either. Neither were in California.
15 posted on 10/10/2006 7:43:06 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
They did. They made wheeled toys, but there is currently no evidence of wheels for transport, pottery, or mills. They are the people of Mesoamerica. Acting as though the peoples of the Americas were one culture is absurd as there being a single Eurasian culture.

Back to the wheel, they had no pack animals in the area, and only one--the llama--in the Americas. It would seem that alpacas could also be pack animals, but this is from 1491.

16 posted on 10/10/2006 7:47:04 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Hilltop

What is the substance, in modern terms?


17 posted on 10/10/2006 7:47:54 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
I'm inclined to believe they invented motion pictures as well. What else would you do with chocolate and popcorn?

Seriously, I do happen to know a little about acorn flour - in old Japan they used to steep them in ponds dug for that purpose. I don't know if the modern Japanese do it the same way but when I lived there my neighbors used to make these weird little unleavened cakes out of the flour, more of a curiosity than actual nutrition. My old landlady told me they'd gather them during WWII to stretch the rice rations. Amazing what you can do if you have to.

18 posted on 10/10/2006 7:50:15 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Much appreciated. So, is soaking the method to make acorns edible?
19 posted on 10/10/2006 7:53:15 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; Balding_Eagle
About the pack animals: without them, there is not as much incentive to make wheels for transport (probably the first application, and there would probably still be some incentive, but not as much).
20 posted on 10/10/2006 7:55:47 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Yes - the high-tannin oaks like the Red Oak take a lot longer than the low-tannin ones like the White Oak. You can tell by biting into one if it needs more soaking. Tannin won't kill you but it tastes pretty nasty. OTOH, it will cure leather...


21 posted on 10/10/2006 7:55:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Much appreciated, again.


22 posted on 10/10/2006 7:56:35 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: blam

Skeletons show rotten and broken teeth. Signs of advanced malnutrition, deficiency diseases, repeated incidence of starvation. Lots of social violence and abuse too.

No matter what they tell you, it wasn't "Song of Hiawatha."


23 posted on 10/10/2006 8:18:34 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Bush Assassination Flick. Save your liberal friends a few bucks: the black guy in the tux dunnit.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Skeletons show rotten and broken teeth. Signs of advanced malnutrition, deficiency diseases, repeated incidence of starvation. Lots of social violence and abuse too.

Depends on where you are.

More often in California you have worn, not rotten or broken, teeth. Cavities are extremely rare. Most of the diseases you mention are scarce, and violence/abuse is far from universal. In the area I study it is minimal.

24 posted on 10/10/2006 8:22:45 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Billthedrill

You can eat acorns if you have to, but if you have enough game meat, berries, tubers and fruit, it is probably best to leave dubious foods alone, and by this I mean foods that have to be soaked, sprayed, danced around or prayed over to become edible. I don't eat anything that has to go through a filtration process, except whiskey.


25 posted on 10/10/2006 8:29:54 PM PDT by ashtanga
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To: Billthedrill
They invented popcorn and chocolate, too. Talk to me about healthy.

Actually, quality chocolates and freshly popped popcorn, even if or especially if popped in a little canola oil, can be quite healthful. Tannins, fiber, vitamins.

Poor grade, too sweet chocolates, not so good. Theatre popcorn, and it's store bought equivalents, soaked in pretend butter stuff and dusted within an inch of it's life with msg-like salt product and 'flavors', not so good. ;-)

26 posted on 10/10/2006 8:30:22 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: ashtanga
You can eat acorns if you have to, but if you have enough game meat, berries, tubers and fruit, it is probably best to leave dubious foods alone, and by this I mean foods that have to be soaked, sprayed, danced around or prayed over to become edible.

Acorns are more nutritious than wheat. They simply need to be ground up and soaked in water for a while. That removes the bitter tannic acid.

Deer eat acorns straight off the trees and do fine, although the meat gets a stronger flavor.

27 posted on 10/10/2006 8:42:08 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Billthedrill
"Yes - the high-tannin oaks like the Red Oak take a lot longer than the low-tannin ones like the White Oak. You can tell by biting into one if it needs more soaking. Tannin won't kill you but it tastes pretty nasty. OTOH, it will cure leather..."

The fresh water streams and rivers in this area (Mobile) are the color of tea from all the oaks in this area. The soil is very acidic too.

28 posted on 10/10/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: fortunecookie
Theatre popcorn, and it's store bought equivalents, soaked in pretend butter stuff and dusted within an inch of it's life with msg-like salt product and 'flavors', not so good.

Uh, yeah, right. (A chiming sound in the background, stifled by the sock BtD is stuffing over the mike.) Unhealthy, well, we wouldn't want...uh...'scuse me for a minute, the microwave is calling to me... ;-)

29 posted on 10/10/2006 8:58:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

Rotten and broken teeth were common the world over until recently.


30 posted on 10/10/2006 9:10:00 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: ashtanga

How about water?


31 posted on 10/10/2006 9:10:47 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Coyoteman

So the acorns are: ground into a mush; mixed with water and soaked--for how long?; drained; and then dried into flour?


32 posted on 10/10/2006 9:14:04 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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To: Billthedrill
the high-tannin oaks like the Red Oak take a lot longer than the low-tannin ones like the White Oak

...sooo...to be correct...it's White Oak with fish and Red Oak with meat?

33 posted on 10/10/2006 9:16:38 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

google for

ACORN RECIPES


34 posted on 10/10/2006 9:20:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Billthedrill

One web site mentions the "hang the ground acorns in a cloth bag in your toilet tank" method.


35 posted on 10/10/2006 9:23:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

"Rotten and broken teeth were common the world over until recently."

Still are in lots of places...


36 posted on 10/10/2006 9:35:25 PM PDT by Syntyr (Food for the NSA Line Eater -> "terrorist" "bomb" "plot" "kill" "overthrow" "coup de tas")
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To: Syntyr

Agreed.


37 posted on 10/10/2006 9:38:33 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Microevolution is real; Macroevolution is not real.)
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Sure, good idea. Thanks Blam. Of interest, Coleus?

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38 posted on 10/10/2006 9:42:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (North Korea is a rogue and illegal regime. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: paulat
A mmmph mmmmph mph mngmph. What? Nothing! Mmpnghph mmpgh mmbgph. I admit nothing! Anyway, the bowl is empty...uh...

Tannin is present in red wine. Chocolate and a fine Cabernet...look, it isn't because I like it, it's for my health. Yeah...yeah, that's it...

39 posted on 10/10/2006 9:49:56 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Being a Ewell Gibbons-type myself, I've tasted a few acorns. Trust me, there is a reason we modern folks don't eat them.


40 posted on 10/11/2006 3:27:32 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

They have to be leached in repeated changes of water. Once won't do it.


41 posted on 10/11/2006 3:31:14 AM PDT by Renfield
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42 posted on 10/11/2006 4:38:18 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: Lil'freeper

Toss me on the primitive foods ping list. I had no idea that we even had such a list going.

What next? Lightning-out-of-anus-while-brushing-teeth ping list?

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43 posted on 10/11/2006 6:13:13 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120))
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To: Lil'freeper

Hunt and gather, hunt and gather, never a moment to one self...please add me to this ping list, thanks.


44 posted on 10/11/2006 6:29:56 AM PDT by skepsel
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
What is the substance, in modern terms?

"Firewater"?

Rotgut whiskey...

45 posted on 10/11/2006 7:40:10 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Rotten and broken teeth were common the world over until recently.

The research of dental Doctor Weston Price (early 20th century) gives evidence of a different story. The primitive diets of many peoples over the globe provided excellent teeth and bones. See his book, "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration"--the pictures alone are fascinating.

46 posted on 10/11/2006 7:54:54 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Jedi Master Pikachu
One web site mentions the "hang the ground acorns in a cloth bag in your toilet tank" method.

Using the kitchen faucet works a lot better; warm running water for about 15 minutes should do it.

Native Americans usually used repeated washings in cold water, so it took a lot longer.

Grinding the acorns in stone bowls and leaching the mixture on a bed of sand added a lot of grit to the diet. This wore the teeth quite a bit, but that, and the lack of sugars, resulted in very few cavities. There was more risk of tooth loss from wearing into the pulp cavity, as in the areas which relied heavily on acorns the teeth were often seriously worn by age 30-40 (especially the first molars).

47 posted on 10/11/2006 10:27:24 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Billthedrill
Uh, yeah, right. (A chiming sound in the background, stifled by the sock BtD is stuffing over the mike.) Unhealthy, well, we wouldn't want...uh...'scuse me for a minute, the microwave is calling to me... ;-)

"Shhhh!!! The movie's about to begin," she whispered, not really hearing what he said over the sounds of crunching popcorn and candy wrappers - her own! ;-)

48 posted on 10/11/2006 11:38:41 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: fortunecookie
Actually, quality chocolates and freshly popped popcorn, even if or especially if popped in a little canola oil, can be quite healthful. Tannins, fiber, vitamins.

Correct except for the canola oil part. Canola is one of the worst modern foods in existence. Butter is much healthier.

49 posted on 10/16/2006 12:57:46 AM PDT by Rytwyng (Only a Million Minuteman March can stop the Bush Border Betrayal!)
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